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How the Super Bowl Will Reach US Submarines

Velcroman1 writes "Ever wonder how troops serving abroad in remote locations and even underwater might get to watch the Super Bowl? The very same highly advanced technology used to pass classified drone video feeds will be deployed this Sunday to ensure U.S. troops can see the Super Bowl — - no matter how far away from home they are. The broadcast is the result of a unique media, government and technology partnership with the American Forces Radio and Television Service, Raytheon and the U.S. Air Force. The Global Broadcast Service (GBS) may be normally used to disseminate video, images and other data, but major sporting events have been broadcast over it as well. The system will be 'as small as a laptop, and [equipment] the size of a shoebox and umbrella' yet 'in other places will be projected onto large screens in hangers' like aircraft carriers out at sea, explained Raytheon Intelligence and Information Systems' chief innovation officer Mark Bigham."

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  1. FARTS by petteyg359 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ought to rename it Forces of America Radio and Televsion Service.

    1. Re:FARTS by craigminah · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or...in your honor, they should name it Superbowl Transmission For U-boats (STFU)

  2. Sounds like a movie plot by hey · · Score: 3, Funny

    All the military guys and resources are busy with the game. Time for the surprise attack.

    1. Re:Sounds like a movie plot by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 2

      "Das Foot."

    2. Re:Sounds like a movie plot by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      The Canadians. No I'm not joking. All they need to do is take the ICBM fields and they aren't a bad joke anymore.

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    3. Re:Sounds like a movie plot by milkmage · · Score: 4, Informative

      periscope depth?

      "The game will be received by a small antenna on masts, transferred to a receiver and then relayed to flat panel screens throughout the ship or submarine."

    4. Re:Sounds like a movie plot by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Canadians. No I'm not joking. All they need to do is take the ICBM fields and they aren't a bad joke anymore.

      They sent us Celine Dion and Justin Beiber. I think that counts as a declaration of war.

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    5. Re:Sounds like a movie plot by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why I've been saying for years we need to quit wasting money on billion dollar boondoggles like the F-35 and the Ford carrier, I mean who in the hell are we supposed to fight that we won't be super duper insanely overpowered compared to?

      How many carriers do we have? 10, how many does anybody that is a viable possible adversary in the future? NONE. The Russians have an old cruiser/carrier that doesn't even have a full crew or plane load on board and is more just to say they have one, the Chinese bought a rusting hulk from the Russians that is roughly the size of one of our jeep carriers, no comparison to our super carriers. For the amount of money we've shit down the drain on the F-22 and F-35 we could have a whole fleet of Stealth Eagles and Fighting Falcons and as the Israelis have shown these designs still kick some serious ass, especially when compared to what the enemy is likely to have.

      Frankly our military has become this giant bloated monster that acts like the cold war is still going on instead of facing reality which is any potential enemy is decades behind us. the new Iranian "super fighter" they just started showing off? According to Jane's its just a knockoff of the old F-5 Freedom Fighter we sold to the Shah back in the early 70s and that thing wasn't state of the art THEN, the whole point of the Freedom Fighter was to sell it to countries where we didn't want our best tech falling into enemy hands. Again according to Jane's their choppers are all knockoffs of the old Huey Cobra, just armed with the Russian knockoff of the Sidewinder. North Korea is flying early 70s MiG 19s and 21s, Pakistan and India have their own planes based on 70s designs but they are more likely to shoot at each other than us, and China has too much invested in their export business to want to turn off the west but if you DO consider them a likely adversary (which most don't as wars between nuclear superpowers is suicidal) that just makes all the money we are wasting on giant carrier groups even more pointless as their sea skimmer missiles could just spam a carrier group from over 900 miles away, well out of range of our stealth turkeys like the F-22.

      When you are ass deep in debt the LAST thing you need to be doing is wasting money you don't need to and honestly our teen series fighters are more than a match for anything currently out there thanks to our state of the art missile tech. So all we are doing now is pissing money down a drain, makes the defense contractors fat and lazy but it certainly doesn't make this country any safer. You could probably cut our navy in half and still be able to just spam any enemy right off the battlefield, and our pilots need more teen series fighters, not expensive techno turkeys that spend more time on the ground than they do in the air. The whole thing is just a wasteful bloated mess and is long overdue for a good housecleaning.

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  3. Sounds like a fantastic idea by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's just broadcast hundreds of gigs of known cleartext through our encryption stream - and announce in advance that we're going to do it.

    1. Re:Sounds like a fantastic idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those were relatively short messages, less than a hundred characters, and they have a certain degree of error correction and redundancy if they contain actual language.

      With a video stream there's going to be about a gigabyte per hour and you could mung it (say by adding a little noise or blur or shifting the tone) as you feed it into the encrypted pipe and it'd still be watchable, while having very little similarity byte-v-byte with the original. There'd be no publicly available plaintext to compare it against.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a fantastic idea by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

      That, and you could always generate a one-time key for the game, then transmit that (encrypted) and encrypt the system with a one-time pad, but without all the regular secure treatment of the OTP, since cracking it will let you see a game that'll be shown everywhere for free.

  4. Re:Ever Wonder? by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    Would you rather the sailors and soldiers be out plying their trade?

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  5. Re:Ever Wonder? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, it's a sunk cost. The network was already needed for their mission. It would be wasteful not to put it's idle time to some good use.

    Next, morale improvement is very much a legitimate contributor to military readiness.

  6. Re:No problem paying for by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The equipment was already necessary for legitimate military objectives. Why not put it's idle time to good use?

    Meanwhile, I am guessing that you either don't understand the role of morale in military readiness or you want to pay for defense but not actually be defended.

  7. Bogus title by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Informative

    How the Super Bowl Will Reach US Submarines

    The actual answer is that the submarines have an antenna that reaches into the air. The title implies that the video signals are sent through sea water to submerged submarines. That is still impossible to do in real-time. The bandwidth (either acoustic or electro-magnetic) is just not available. The acoustic bandwidth is greater than the electro-magnetic but it is still many orders of magnitude lower than what is required for real-time video.

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    1. Re:Bogus title by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right. And on top of that, no submarine is going to hang about at periscope depth for the duration of the game. PD is a dangerous place as you have limited visibility and you're shallow enough for surface vessels to potentially get a piece of the 'scope or even the sail... Stealth also goes down when you have a 'scope and antennas making a wake on the surface. (On top of how exhausting it is for the control room party to maintain PD and a scope watch...)

      Unless they're in port or on surface transit, boats will probably get the game and the score the same way they have for decades... fasties and non-alert boomers will pick it up when they next grab a sked or a satellite pass, alert boomers will pick up whatever gets sent across the wire (VLF).

      Been there done that, got the t-shirt. Though back in the day it was something of a tradition to send the score of important games (especially the Army-Navy game) out as FLASH priority traffic. (I.E. went to the head of the queue and had transmission priority over pretty much everything but nuclear launch orders.)

  8. Yes, god forbid they should want any entertainment by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Soldiers should be perfect automata, wanting nothing but to serve their country, needing no entertainment, no respite, willing to work with complete focus as much as is required.

    Oh please cut the fucking shit.

    Soldiers are human, and they need recreation just like everyone else. Now maybe watching football isn't your choice for that, it's not mine either, but you are in no position to judge others for what they like.

    What's more, it helps give them a sense of connection to their country. Serving on a ship, and a sub in particular, is lonely. You are gone for months at a time, in the case of a sub often totally cut off. This is a way to get a "taste of home" as it were, to get to participate in something that a large part of the nation is also doing.

  9. Re:Ever Wonder? by fleebait · · Score: 2

    Ever wonder how troops serving abroad in remote locations and even underwater might get to watch the Super Bowl?

    No, I'm more concerned at the already over-inflated military budget being spent on watching a fucking football game.

    Ever wonder how much it costs to get a contractor to the services to do a network wide test of high data rate services?

    Watch a ball game, and get a system wide test for free.

  10. Re:Ever Wonder? by craigminah · · Score: 2

    Do you expect the military to never have time off or to do anything to boost morale? Glad I don't work for you...

  11. Hangers by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do they dangle the aircraft from the roof? No. The word is "hangars".

    Hangers are what you put shirts and coats on, you wrist-tapping gibbons.

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    1. Re:Hangers by AlexG55 · · Score: 2

      I think on US carriers in WW2, some aircraft were actually stored hanging from the ceiling: http://steeljawscribe.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/g17425.jpg

  12. How very dare you! by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's a ridiculous assumption based on no evidence at all.

    The soldier was his boyfriend until he ran off with a football player.

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  13. Re:"The Big Game"* by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFY. The combination of the words "The," "Super," and "Bowl" is copyrighted by the NFL

    Nonsense. It may be trademarked by the NFL, but it certainly is not copyrighted. If you want to complain about IP law, you might want to take a few minutes to learn the basics. Also, using a trademarked term to refer the the trademarked item is fine. It is only a violation to use it to refer to a confusingly similar item, or in a way that implies endorsement. So it is okay to use the term "The Super Bowl" to refer to ... The Super Bowl.

  14. Re:Go Niners! by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fifty-minus-oners (see the Samsung Super B,, I mean Big Game commercial. )
    Go Baltimore Black Birds!

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  15. Re:Ever Wonder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think the Navy likes sunk costs...

  16. Laughably wrong by michael021689 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is an impressively ill formed and ill researched article, even if you consider the reputation of the site that is distributing it.

    The misinformation spread about the Navy, and submarines specifically, is awe inspiring. Whereas most of the government spends its efforts to protect secrecy fruitlessly, the Navy seems to have grasped the idea of quantity. If you spew enough bullshit out, it doesn't matter if someone says the truth because it will be lost in a wave misinformation.

  17. Re:Ever Wonder? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, it's a sunk cost. The network was already needed for their mission. It would be wasteful not to put it's idle time to some good use.

    Next, morale improvement is very much a legitimate contributor to military readiness.

    Indeed - if you have people fighting for you, it helps to remind them once in a while of what they're fighting for.

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  18. somewhat relevant by circletimessquare · · Score: 2
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