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US Postal Service Discontinuing Saturday Mail Delivery

Hugh Pickens writes "The Postal Service has been losing billions of dollars each year as Americans increasingly rely on online communications that drive down mail volumes. Now, Reuters reports that the Postal Service plans to drop Saturday delivery of first-class mail by August, saving $2 billion per year. 'The Postal Service is advancing an important new approach to delivery that reflects the strong growth of our package business and responds to the financial realities resulting from America's changing mailing habits,' says Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe. But the Postal Service is already facing some pushback for moving forward with delivery schedule changes. 'Today's announcement by Postmaster General Donahoe to eliminate six-day delivery is yet another death knell for the quality service provided by the U.S. Postal Service,' says Jeanette Dwyer, president of the National Rural Letter Carriers' Association. 'To erode this service will undermine the Postal Service's core mission and is completely unacceptable.' Package deliveries will continue under the new plan and were a bright spot in a bleak 2012 fiscal year, with package revenue rising 8.7 percent during the year. Donahoe says the changes would allow the Postal Service to continue benefiting from rising package deliveries as Americans order more products from sites such as eBay Inc and Amazon.com Inc."

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  1. Man, oh man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only there were some article of the Constitution that could be used as an argument to convince conservatives that the Post Office is a vital national service and that it is okay to pay for it in much the same way as it is okay to pay for a navy.

    I guess one can only wish.

    1. Re:Man, oh man! by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If only there were some article of the Constitution that could be used as an argument to convince conservatives that the Post Office is a vital national service and that it is okay to pay for it in much the same way as it is okay to pay for a navy.

      I guess one can only wish.

      Why is Saturday mail delivery a vital national service? Will people die if they don't receive their Victoria's Secret catalog on Saturday?

    2. Re:Man, oh man! by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What? Really? All I can say is finally! Waaaaaaaaaayyy less junk mail will get to me and everyone else now (99% of mail I get is junk -- goes right from my mail box straight into the recycling) Sure, there's probably some poor people who depend on this extra day of mail (I know we kinda did as I was growing up), but too bad...

      How will this affect the quantity of junk mail?

      It's not like the post office is going to throw away all of the mail on Saturdays instead of delivering it. Instead they will hold it and deliver it on Monday. So you'll still get the same amount of mail.

    3. Re:Man, oh man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Preparing to get a Wooosh! but Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7. The enumerated powers of the Federal Government include establishing Post Offices. Same section establishes paying for a Navy. The privatization of the postal service was either a delegation or abrogation of the responsibilties of Congress, depending if you take your politics straight or with soda. I'm in the abrogation camp, myself.

    4. Re:Man, oh man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's what I don't understand. Was raising the price for junk mail not viable? Part of the problem is that the 1st class mail is being used to subsidize bulk mail and as a result as 1st class mail gets sent less and less the subsidy has become insufficient to cover the cost. I'm somewhat unclear as to why they're not raising the rates on bulk mail.

      Anyways, it's a relatively moot point as USPS tends to do a better job in terms of cost control than UPS and FedEx anyways. USPS is just required to do something that aren't profitable. And surprise, surprise, it's the same greedy rural folks that expect their lives to be subsidized who aren't willing to pay the real rate of delivering to them.

    5. Re:Man, oh man! by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can make this happen right now! I realize this will amaze you, but it's actually simple to implement. You can do it this week, it doesn't even cost anything.

      Are you ready for this amazing technique? It's used by the wealthy and powerful, but I'm exposing their hidden tricks. Again, at no charge to you!

      Don't check your mailbox on Saturday or Sunday.

      Mind blowing isn't it!

    6. Re:Man, oh man! by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Charge $5/month to act as a spam filter. Plus they save on delivery by round filing junk mail for you at its origination point.

      It will cost more because they'll have to manage the opt-in or opt-out selections for each recipient, and have many someones at each sorting center to actually sort the mail into "spam" and "not spam".

      And this would create yet another spam filter that is not under the control of the recipient, meaning someone else gets to decide for you if you really did want that catalog or not.

      Under email, it was bad enough that my local ISP did this, but they had a way of turning it off. Now they've outsourced all the spam filtering to google and I have to go read the spam email (at least the from and subject) to see if any real email got misclassified (and google is having an unacceptably high false positive rate, IMHO). What good is a spam filter if you have to go read all the spam anyway?

      Imagine trying to find out where that $100 gift certificate that was sent to you via USPS and they filtered into the "round file" for you went to.

    7. Re:Man, oh man! by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Part of the problem is that the 1st class mail is being used to subsidize bulk mail and as a result as 1st class mail gets sent less and less the subsidy has become insufficient to cover the cost.
      Ooops, you got that backwards. Bulk Mail prices subsidize first class delivery. But other than that, yes I agree that the prices on bulk mail should go up.

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    8. Re:Man, oh man! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but they could die (or at least suffer harm) if the mail was something like insulin or heart medication.

      Merrly being snarky does not make a convincing argument.

      Being dumb doesn't make a convincing argument either. You don't count on the mail for time / mission critical things. It wasn't designed for it and cannot support it.

      If you have prescription medications that are filled by mail order you're supposed to have a buffer supply. Shit happens. Even Saturday delivery doesn't change that.

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    9. Re:Man, oh man! by poofmeisterp · · Score: 4, Informative

      What? Really? All I can say is finally! Waaaaaaaaaayyy less junk mail will get to me and everyone else now (99% of mail I get is junk -- goes right from my mail box straight into the recycling) Sure, there's probably some poor people who depend on this extra day of mail (I know we kinda did as I was growing up), but too bad...

      What the......?

      This only means that a larger chunk of mail (AND junk mail) will arrive on Monday now.

      Need some coffee?

    10. Re:Man, oh man! by Jaden42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, but they could die (or at least suffer harm) if the mail was something like insulin or heart medication.

      Merrly being snarky does not make a convincing argument.

      http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/06/16869665-wait-a-minute-mr-postman-new-mail-delivery-schedule-raises-eyebrows?lite

      The Postmaster General has already confirmed that mail-order medicine will continue to be delivered on Saturday.

    11. Re:Man, oh man! by Xphile101361 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So its okay to die on a Sunday then?

    12. Re:Man, oh man! by Thorodin · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US Postal Service does not get any money from the federal government and has not since President Nixon made it quasi-private. In fact, they have had to pay back to the fed's billions of dollars for pensions. That's one of the reasons they keep losing money. They actually overpaid by a few hundred million and Congress refuses to return the money.

    13. Re:Man, oh man! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without junk mail you'd have to pay the mailman a lot more per envelope. Probably well over $1. Unlike Spam, junk mail PAYS the mailman to walk around to ALL the houses. Right now advertising is probably the only thing making per home delivery profitable.

      UPS and FEDEX certainly don't deliver to EVERY house, EVERY day.... And not for $.45

    14. Re:Man, oh man! by meglon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Trouble is, largely due to the govt unions...the actual downsizing in PEOPLE will likely not happen to the extent it should.

      No.

      The trouble is, we have a large contingency of elected people who have been intentionally trying to subvert the proper functioning of government for 30 years, and this is just one more way they are trying to do it. No company funds 75 years worth of retirement payments ahead, and for conservative fucktards in congress to pass legislation to force the post office to do so is nothing more than an intentional attempt to destroy USPS' ability to function.

      At the same time, congress has refused to allow USPS to offer services that could generate more income because some of the truly fucking idiotic congress people are on this ideological bullshit meme of "privatization." Privatization always costs more money, because you add an additional layer of cost into the mix... called profit. Here's the rub: UPS and FedEx do not want to take over USPS' mail routes. It would be far too costly for them, and many times those services use USPS resources to move their packages anyway.

      So the "trouble" is: really stupid fucking idiots who don't understand basic business, and hate that our government does ANYTHING for the people of this country.... and the stupid fucking idiots that empower those stupid fucking idiots.

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    15. Re:Man, oh man! by unitron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those who don't believe you should Google "The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006"*, and anybody who doesn't know about it has no business offering an opinion on the current woes of the Postal Service.

      I will quibble that they actually aren't losing money. The 2006 act is taking it from them to fund pensions for employees not yet born.

      *Which really should have been known as "The Republican Plot to Murder the Postal Service in Slow Motion" of 2006.

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  2. It doesn't help... by moosehooey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't help that Congress is basically stealing $5 billion a year from the post office. They're making the USPS fully fund retirement plans over a very short time, and that money is going into government bonds, which ends up in the general fund. If it wasn't for the budget shenanigans that Congress pulled, the Post Office would be doing fine.

    1. Re:It doesn't help... by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Add to this that, without them having to spend the last few years in massive debt trying to figure out how to fund these pension plans, they might have been able to spend the time and money reinventing themselves as a common carrier capable of surviving in the internet age.

      I'm pretty sure that half of Congress - ironically the half that prefers a strict interpretation of the Constitution - wants the Constitutionally-mandated postal service to go bankrupt and go away because it interferes with the profits of several other private businesses. (The vote on the bill in the House in 2006 was done by voice, so there's no official record of who voted for it.)

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    2. Re:It doesn't help... by Ryanrule · · Score: 5, Informative

      The usps was set up by the govt, it didnt go asking for funds. Jackass.

    3. Re:It doesn't help... by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, you're misunderstanding the purpose of that move by Congress: it wasn't about gaining $5 billion a year, it was about gutting the USPS. There are many people in Congress (mostly Tea Party types) that want the USPS to be a relic of the past, some because that would benefit FedEx and UPS and other companies, and some because their philosophy is that the federal government can't possibly do anything useful so the USPS must be by definition useless.

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    4. Re:It doesn't help... by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The really amazing part is that in spite of Congress doing it's very best to crush the postal service, they're able to get by by stopping Saturday delivery.

    5. Re:It doesn't help... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, more to the point, they want to believe that the U.S. government can't do anything useful, so they must kill any contrary example.

    6. Re:It doesn't help... by Algae_94 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is the point you're trying to make. If the post office was not forced to pre-fund its pension plans, it would be making money. Regardless of the volume of first class mail, it would be making money.

    7. Re:It doesn't help... by XopherMV · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Post Office has successfully paid this $5 billion bill every year since it was passed in 2005. I'd say their business model is still wildly successful. Their problem, as previously pointed out, is that since the Republicans in Congress saddled them with these payments, the Postal Service has been unable to invest in further modernization.

    8. Re:It doesn't help... by XopherMV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Prefunding retirement accounts for 70 years is NOT what businesses do. That would include prefunding the retirements of people who aren't even born yet! The point was to put this burden on the USPS in order to use the burden to justify shutting the USPS down. That's just ridiculous and stupid.

  3. Bout Time by slackerfilm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think this is way over due. Although, I like getting mail on Saturday, I don't see a point. It isn't like we can do business on Saturdays.

    Now if only Amazon would start letting us choose USPS over UPS for package delivery. As an apartment dweller, this would make my life much easier.

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  4. Re:But how much money will they lose to FedEX? by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Informative

    Err - that's the plan. Only first class mail is being stopped on Saturdays. If you want something delivered on a Saturday, you can still send it priority or express, and it will still be delivered on a Saturday. That's the second and eighth lines of the summary above.

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  5. Yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We could eliminate the DOJ's yearly anti-terrorism funding and not only save Saturday delivery, but put the USPS back in good shape fiscally.
    Somehow I don't think expanding the TSA, buying millions of rounds of hollow-point ammo and giving them automatic assault rifles to fight boogeymen is helping anything.

  6. Re:one less day of junk mail by maird · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they only made those catalogs soft, absorbent and with dye that doesn't run then at least it would be possible to save money on toilet paper.

  7. Makes sense. by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in Canada, we only receive mail on weekdays. It works just fine because the majority of letters in our mailbox are not extremely time-sensitive - the occasional municipal bill, magazines, and periodic greeting cards from around the world. They could reduce letter delivery to M/W/F without really causing any issues. Daily parcel delivery makes sense because they're larger dollar transactions and whenever a parcel is on the way, someone is waiting for it. I cringe every time someone suggests getting rid of the post office and relying on FedEx and UPS instead, because they tend to be far more expensive in Canada. As an example, UPS will charge a brokerage fee for surface packages coming from the USA that easily hits $25. Sending a 2 lb package to the USA by UPS Express (even 3-day) costs about $60. Canada Post runs about 25% of that.

    Back to the USA, there are already some interesting private/public delivery programs that promise to keep service costs low, too. As an example, Smartpost is an economical FedEx service that uses the USPS to deliver the last mile. Expect more of this stuff in the future.

  8. Re:one less day of junk mail by JeanCroix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or people waiting for the next Netflix DVD...

  9. Not entirely true by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The post office was forced into this because their unfunded pension fund was a time bomb waiting to happen. They are only paying this increase till 2016 and have had it reduced when it was pressing. As of 2009 it was estimated their unfunded liabilities were over fifty billion dollars.

    No, where Congress gets a failing grade is similar to how base closings are done. Just like the military knows which bases are not needed the Post Office can tell you which sorting centers, distribution hubs, and which Post Offices, are not needed. When they go to close them then suddenly every Congressman becomes an expert and you end up with stories about how the PO wanted to close nearly 3000 offices and only got a little over a hundred.

    The PO operates under burdensome contracts combined with quickly shrinking sources of income. The number of pieces of mail handled has steadily declined but when the PO tries to downsize Congress interferes or their contracts block them. Trying to hire part time workers is another area they have difficulty with.

    So, no their problems don't stem from just having to pay for liabilities they should be paying for; if anything ask Congress why that rule ain't applied to the US as a whole; its from a myriad of items of which two largest are Congress and the unions.

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    1. Re:Not entirely true by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Kindly point to ANY government agency, or private one, that has to keep enough funds in an account to pay for 70 YEARS worth of benefits if all employees retired tomorrow. (no, you do not get to count interest.)..

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    2. Re:Not entirely true by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You fell for the numbers game. That 'unfunded liability' included projected pensions into the future for employees not even born at the time of the calculation (using the excuse that they were projected to need to hire those people in the next 50 years).

      That's like claiming you are $10,000 in debt right now because you have not yet fully funded your eventual funeral and any children you might have before that.

  10. Bummer by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No more getting two Netflix shipments a week by sending the movie back the day after you receive it.

  11. Re:How about graduated scale or deregulation ? by 0racle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It never made sense that I could send a letter down the street or Nome Alaska for the same amount of money.

    It does if the cost of the unusual (sending to Nome) is lowered because the cost of sending the usual (sending locally) is slightly increased.

    UPS, DHL and/or Fedex may be able to do it more efficiently.

    And yet they don't. Both UPS and FedEx use USPS for local delivery often because they're better at it. UPS and FedEx are a coin toss if they can find my house (2 miles from nearest town, 1 mile from highway, not exactly a mountain man), USPS gets it right every time. Unless it needs to be sent next day or so, USPS is far more reliable and cost effective.

    UPS and FedEx also don't deliver everywhere USPS does.

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  12. Re:one less day of junk mail by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Funny

    My father remembers that in the outhouse back on the farm, the black-and-white pages in the Sears Roebuck catalog always went first!

  13. Re:This isn't going to fix things. by Shagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's really not much they can do about it. The main reason the USPS is down $16 billion is because Congress is intentionally trying to bankrupt them.

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  14. Re:Inconvenient by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do what they do in Canada. Place your "Post-Office" inside a pharmacy, and staff it as long as the pharmacy is open (usually pretty late). The staff of the post office is actually the staff of the pharmacy, who can do things like stock shelves during the times when nobody needs the post office services. The post office pays the pharmacy to run the service, but still saves a bunch of money, because they don't have to rent their own space, and pay employees full time when most of the time there's nothing for them to do.

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  15. Re:one less day of junk mail by tilante · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, some of us actually read the whole summary, and thus see that Saturday package deliveries aren't being cut out. So it's not going to affect getting packages at all.

  16. Netflix by acoustix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will Netflix lower the cost of DVD/Blu-ray rentals since I can't view as many movies per month now?

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  17. Re:How about graduated scale or deregulation ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cost to send a letter via UPS: $30
    Cost to send a letter via USPS: $0.46
    One of them's certainly more efficient, but it isn't UPS.

  18. Re:Who could have guessed? by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine that: unions, affirmative action and compliance with well-intentioned government programs do make you anti-competitive after all.

    The USPS is the most efficient system for moving things from one place to the other on the planet. Seriously. Its private competitors cost far more to move the same amount of stuff in a similar amount of time, and its international counterparts don't come close to dealing with the kinds of requirements the USPS has to deal with. Their systems and procedures are designed so that practically anybody can get hired, follow the manual, and do the job correctly, and are also capable of working under a wide variety of conditions ranging from tiny towns in the middle of Alaska to lower Manhattan.

    It's not that they aren't competitive. It's that the demand for their entire industry has dropped, and their bosses are actively trying to screw them up.

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  19. Re:one less day of junk mail by ApharmdB · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.catalogchoice.org/ - I've been using the free part of the service for a while now and I get vastly less junk mail than I used to. Not having the extra volume to deal with is worth the time it takes to use the website.

  20. Re:Restructure the USPS by owski · · Score: 5, Informative

    That means someone in a cabin that is a 10 mile boat-ride - the post office does this sort of stuff.

    No they don't. You don't have to be too far off the beaten track to require that your mail be picked up at the post office. You haven't lived in a rural area before, have you?

  21. Re:one less day of junk mail by gQuigs · · Score: 4, Informative

    I did http://www.optoutprescreen.com/ and it stopped the majority of the most annoying junk mail. The kind that might let someone start a credit card in my name if they intercept it....

    More options are here: http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0262-stopping-unsolicited-mail-phone-calls-and-email

    I have yet to try dmachoice, has anyone tried it?

  22. Re:one less day of junk mail by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's probably because you were being kind of a dick. If you don't want the mail, then you opt out. Most of them have opt outs online, for credit card offers, I've found that using the return mail envelops to send them my junk mail works brilliantly in getting me off their lists. Do that a few times and they get the picture that you didn't want to be contacted. I don't generally do that unless they've really offended me, like that outfit that was too lazy to even verify that my name was spelled correctly on the envelop.

    But, most of the time, something like https://www.catalogchoice.org/ will get you off the lists. They don't want to waste money sending to people who are less likely to buy their whatever as a result of getting the publication than if they sent nothing.

    Right. I like to spend random hours opting out of things I never heard of in the first place. Sounds like a great plan to give my email / phone to people that I neither like nor trust.

    Any more clever thoughts?

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  23. Re:Who could have guessed? by j-beda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow! If they're that good, then it makes me wonder why they have to have a government-granted monopoly on letters.

    The monopoly position is one of the reasons it works. If you were to cherry pick the easy to deliver stuff by starting a service without universal coverage, you might be able to do it cheaper, but if you want universal delivery, not so much.

    Are there any G20 countries without a monopoly postal system?

  24. Re:How about graduated scale or deregulation ? by Moofie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can send a lot of stuff electronically if you have electronics. And an Internet connection.

    The Post Office is not "in business" any more than the US Navy is "in business". It's a Constitutionally authorized function of the Government.

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  25. Re:one less day of junk mail by JeanCroix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plenty of them. And they all have the same 50 movies.

  26. Re:How about graduated scale or deregulation ? by Lost2Home · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the people who have tried anyway had a rate half that of the USPS. Of course the government shut them down, because monopolies are efficient and virtuous.

    Actually in that article the "American Letter Mail Company" did exactly what UPS, FedEx or any other private company would do if allowed to compete - pick large cities and only serve that market. USPS has the mandate of serving any address in the country for the same cost, regardless of whether it is the middle of Alaska or downtown Manhattan.

    It is easy to undercut USPS if you only serve New York, Baltimore, and Philadelphia.