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Astronomers Want To Hunt Down Earth's Mini-Moons

Posted by samzenpus on from the that's-no-mini-moon dept.

astroengine writes "The Earth has one permanent moon — you know, 'The Moon' — but at any given time there are thought to be two temporary interlopers that were once asteroids, but get captured by our planet's gravity to become mini-moons for a few months or even years. They eventually get flung back out into interplanetary space. This ultimate 'catch and release' provides an interesting opportunity for any future asteroid mission. So now astronomers want to find them, possibly using the newly-minted Hubble-class spy telescopes donated to NASA by the National Reconnaissance Office."

44 comments

  1. What a letdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was six when I learned that the Man on the Moon wasn't real. And now I'm hearing that he doesn't even do his own stunts.

    1. Re:What a letdown by mark-t · · Score: 0

      I would imagine that the former would have long since precluded the latter.

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    2. Re:What a letdown by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Yes Sheldon.

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  2. Wacky physics, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    They left out the part that it's not the Earth alone somehow capturing and releasing these objects, it's the interaction between Earth's gravity and the moon's gravity that can result in a temporary capture.

    1. Re:Wacky physics, or... by osu-neko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They left out the part that it's not the Earth alone somehow capturing and releasing these objects, it's the interaction between Earth's gravity and the moon's gravity that can result in a temporary capture.

      And the gravity of the Sun, Jupiter, Mars, and your neighbor's Honda Civic... and that's just the tip of the iceburg. Pick a flower, and you move the furthest star. However, listing everything that plays a role in this (which is, literally, everything) is rather cumbersome, so it's fair to simply list the one object that has the greatest influence and leave out the 10^80 other objects involved.

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    2. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      it's fair to simply list the one object that has the greatest influence

      I'd go one step further and include the Sun. Solar gravity gradients are within the same order of magnitude as those of the Moon.

    3. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      If the Earth, the Moon, and the asteroids were the only objects in the universe, the capture would still happen the way it does. If Earth, the asteroids, and the rest of the universe were still present but the Moon wasn't there, it wouldn't. (The asteroids might still be captured by Earth's gravity, of course, but not in the way they are now.) So I think you don't really understand OP's point.

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    4. Re:Wacky physics, or... by aynoknman · · Score: 1

      And the gravity of the Sun, Jupiter, Mars, and your neighbor's Honda Civic... and that's just the tip of the iceburg

      I knew Dirk Gently was right about "the fundamental interconnectedness of all things"!

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    5. Re:Wacky physics, or... by DKlineburg · · Score: 1

      I would think the sun has a greater role. It pulled the "moon" into the earth so the earth could capture it in the first place. I'm must saying...

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    6. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a moon in the sky, and it's called the moon -- The B52s

      Newsflash; Obama voted the worst socialist ever by 9 out of 10 Soviet Dentists

    7. Re:Wacky physics, or... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      I think you don't quite understand how science works.

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    8. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think the sun has a greater role. It pulled the "moon" into the earth so the earth could capture it in the first place.

      Not necessarily so. We have no idea what direction the planet that collieded with the earth came from, or its speed. It could have been an "orphan" planet thrown out of its home stellar system by the gravitation of a gas giant in that system, or even a Jovian moon thrown out of its orbit by interaction with other Jovian satellites. The sun could have eaily had very little to do with it.

    9. Re:Wacky physics, or... by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      Way to make an argument. Don't bore people with the details.

      Do you work for Fox News ?

    10. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just think what you could do by working out all the forces being applied to... say, a piece of cake.

    11. Re:Wacky physics, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They left out the part that it's not the Earth alone somehow capturing and releasing these objects, it's the interaction between Earth's gravity and the moon's gravity that can result in a temporary capture.

      And the gravity of the Sun, Jupiter, Mars, and your neighbor's Honda Civic... and that's just the tip of the iceburg. Pick a flower, and you move the furthest star. However, listing everything that plays a role in this (which is, literally, everything) is rather cumbersome, so it's fair to simply list the one object that has the greatest influence and leave out the 10^80 other objects involved.

      Jesus H. Fucking Christ!! Why are there so many argumentative douchebags around here? Does a flower's gravitational pull somehow disappear once it's picked?

    12. Re:Wacky physics, or... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Way to make an argument. Don't bore people with the details.

      Do you work for Fox News ?

      No, I just can't be bothered arguing.

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  3. QI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had a skit about it.

  4. Star Trek: Catch and release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Starfleet's standing order for other (dead, lifeless) bodies like Spock.

  5. Mini moons? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2

    Those are space stations!

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    1. Re:Mini moons? by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

      Not yet, but if we're serious about developing a next-generation space program, then they we should look at making that a true statement.

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  6. Don't hurt Chibiusa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen season two of Sailor Moon and I know what you want with Mini-Moon. Stay away from her you damn "astronomers"!

  7. you know, 'Luna'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know, 'The Moon'

    I tend to think that should be 'the moon', no caps; named, among other things, 'Luna'.

    1. Re:you know, 'Luna'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...you mean to say "Luna", as in "Moon" in Spanish, Italian...and so on all the way back to the original Latin.

      So instead of calling me "dragon" in your tongue, you'll call me "Dragon" in some other tongue.

      Brilliant, I say

  8. so the NRO actually found them by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    the weapons of mass destruction! the mini-moons...what a concept! now NASA gets a peek.

  9. Hello, Carl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignignokt: I am Ignignokt, and this is Err.
    Err: I am Err!
    Ignignokt: We are Mooninites, from the inner core of the moon.
    Err: You said it right!
    Ignignokt: Our race is hundreds of years beyond yours.
    Err: Man do you hear what he's sayin'?
    Ignignokt: Some would say that the Earth is our moon...
    Err: We're the moon!
    Ignignokt: ...but that would belittle the name of our moon... which is, the Moon.
    Err: Point is, we're at the center, not you.
    Carl: No, the real point is, I don't give a damn.
    Ignignokt: Is your ego satisfied?
    Err: Damn no.
    Ignignokt: No.

  10. at first I read the last word wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I skimmed the thread title really fast, and my brain saw a bunch of M's and O's and N's, and parsed it as "Astronomers Want To Hunt Down Earth's Morons". My immediate thought was, "Well, have you checked the US Congress?"

    1. Re:at first I read the last word wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and Reality TV personality and their viewers...

  11. Cruithne by IntentionalStance · · Score: 1

    is a moon of the Earth if you believe Stephen Fry and QI

    1. Re:Cruithne by Turminder+Xuss · · Score: 1

      Cruithne has been referred to as Earth's Second Moon, but it is really in orbit around the Sun in 1:1 orbital resonance with the Earth, whatever that means.

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    2. Re:Cruithne by IntentionalStance · · Score: 1

      Sure- but watch this though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zuAQAhhMI

    3. Re:Cruithne by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Well, The Moon does the same thing. It orbits the sun and just wobbles a little bit.

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    4. Re:Cruithne by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Cruithne has been referred to as Earth's Second Moon, but it is really in orbit around the Sun in 1:1 orbital resonance with the Earth, whatever that means.

      Co-orbital asteroid. They count as moons if you stretch the definition of 'moon' a bit, as they do trace a complete orbit of the Earth itself (except those that don't obviously).

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    5. Re:Cruithne by Turminder+Xuss · · Score: 1

      I think Cruithne is one that doesn't. One way of putting it is that Cruithne is never in Earth's shadow. I'm happy to call it a moon though, if for no better reason than to see Stephen Fry discomfort Alan Davis.

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  12. Put an critter-cam on it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put an critter-cam on it...alien-cam 7 live telicast

  13. Re:that's no moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel a disturbance in the force, as if millions of Slashdot readers tried to make that joke, and were suddenly silenced.

  14. where did we get the quantity 2? by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    Having read the article, the Earth may have any number of temporarily captured asteroids.

    Where did the idea come that we have two of them?

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  15. Not moons. by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

    If the objects only temporarily orbit the Earth, they're not moons.

    If the objects orbit the Earth-Moon system, they're not moons.

    I know it's pedantic, but accuracy is important, even on /..

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