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The Paradox of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks

schnell writes "The New Statesman is publishing a new in-depth article that examines in detail the seemingly paradoxical nature of WikiLeaks' brave mission of public transparency with the private opaqueness of Julian Assange's leadership. On one hand, WikiLeaks created 'a transparency mechanism to hold governments and corporations to account' when nobody else could or would. On the other hand, WikiLeaks itself was 'guilty of the same obfuscation and misinformation as those it sought to expose, while its supporters are expected to follow, unquestioningly, in blinkered, cultish devotion.' If WikiLeaks performs a public service exposing the secrets of others but censors its own secrets, does it really matter? Or are the ethics of the organization and its leader inseparable?"

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  1. A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Julian Assange may be a bit cocky, but keep in mind that a lot of this "Cult of Assange" shit and a lot of the infighting reports came from Daniel Domscheit-Berg, a person of VERY questionable motives and honesty--to say the least. His dubious book is the source of many of these reports.

    Now personally, I've always strongly suspected that Domscheit-Berg was an intelligence plant at Wikileaks (working for the CIA, BND, or take your pick). He started to physically sabotage the organization pretty much from day one, acted a lot like an agent provocateur when he was there, destroyed some 3,500 unpublished whistleblower communications as he was leaving, immediately went on a campaign to discredit Wikileaks and Assange after he left, and then unsuccessfully tried to set up a leaks site himself that sounded suspiciously like a honeypot to me (send us your leaked documents and trust us to maybe release them to the press--or maybe just send some FBI agents to kick down your door). And apparently Assange suspected this too.

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    1. Re:A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, those rapists.

      I remember a guy who made a speech calling for a global currency to challenge the dollar. Turns out he became a rapist too, just a few months after making that speech in fact. Well, he was a rapist for a while anyway. The DA later admitted that the previously "rock solid" case against him was completely bogus--exactly three days after his successor at the IMF took office. Coincidental timing, I guess.

      But then I guess I would be accused of wearing a tinfoil hat if I suggested that there was anything suspicious about the timing of some rape charges.

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    2. Re:A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      States - in modern, representative democracies, are accountable to the people who fund the state for common welfare and interest.

      The transparency and accountability of the state is different in imperative from that of the individual - who has an expectation of privacy to guarantee the conduct of free expression and personal liberty.

      Equating Assange's alleged personal characteristics and style of management with the opaqueness and corruption committed by states acting in excess of their authority is false. Doing so reflects a very poor understanding of any of the core rights and issues that are at the heart of the WikiLeaks mission.

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    3. Re:A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm just glad that those of you who think that all conspiracies are just the product of paranoia weren't in charge of the Watergate invesitgation--or Iran/Contra, or the torture and extreme rendition allegations, etc. There is a big difference between thinking that black helicopters are circling your house monitoring your brainwaves and thinking that the CIA engages in operations against foreign individuals deemed a threat to U.S. interests.

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    4. Re:A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I couldn't agree with you more. It seems that they are throwing out this huge red herring to deter from the fact that they are doing some incredibly shady things. It's like they're trying to say "that guy's an asshole so all of the bad shit about us doesn't matter because he's an asshole."

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    5. Re:A lot of this BS is just Daniel Berg's fiction by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly I don't give a rat's ass if Manning was gay or Assange is fucking goats, all I care about is the DATA, that is what matters. Did everyone forget that Woodward and Bernstein were treated like shit by many in the editorial column, even being called communists which back then was like being called traitor? Didn't change those canceled checks from CREP to the plumbers though, did it?

      At the end of the day there are thousands of documents that NOBODY disputes the reality of, even the government whose dirty laundry they bear, and THAT is what we should be focusing on. Spending all our time giving a shit about Assange would be like an investigation into whether Woodward fucked around or Bernstein cheated on his taxes...who gives a fuck? Its not ABOUT them, its ABOUT the bold faced lies we have been sold for decades, going all the way back to the Gulf of Tonkin and probably beyond. thousands, maybe even millions, have died because of lies by men who stood to profit from war, yet we are supposed to ignore this? Fuck you, lets focus on the real issue and that ain't whether Assange is a dick or not!

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  2. One can't be 100% transparent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wikileaks and all of the people working for it are OBVIOUSLY going to need to obfuscate details about themselves. Look at the absolutely living nightmare of a shitstorm that Assange has been dragged through. Look where he is now.

    But no, hey, let's be transparent. How about all of the contacts at Wikileaks post their full contact information. SURELY nobody on earth has any axe to grind against them, and they will remain in perfect harmony and safety.

  3. Where is the balance? by coastwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We the people do seem to have spent a lot of time blindly supporting Wiki-leaks without much critical analysis going on of whether the function was being done right or even being done well.

    Its rather too easy to just say that we are glad that they are sticking it to the man when they release stuff that causes governments serious embarrassment. But I dont see much discussion of the consequences to the behavior of Government in future as a result of un-redacted mass publishing of private information.

    We wouldn't be too happy as individuals if the contents of our lives were copied and published online so why is Wikileaks so immune from criticism? Its high time there was more constructive criticism of Wiki-leaks and its role in the world.

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    1. Re:Where is the balance? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We the people do seem to have spent a lot of time blindly supporting Wiki-leaks without much critical analysis going on of whether the function was being done right or even being done well.

      I'll worry more about that when they have more competition. I want done what they are doing. If they're the only hope of transparency, then I'm going to back them. If another, more credible hope appears, I'll back them instead.

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    2. Re:Where is the balance? by Americano · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've neither seen nor heard evidence that any innocents were damaged by the publication of materials that were outed by Wikileaks.

      Then you haven't been paying attention, because Assange himself has admitted that innocents have been killed (not just 'damaged') by the publication of materials outed by Wikileaks.

      The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange.

      (source)

      He goes on to whitewash that figure by citing malaria statistics - I guess in Africa, if you're responsible for killing fewer people than the average yearly death toll from malaria, you're eligible for sainthood, and all your sins are forgiven.

      You can't play it both ways - either there are real world consequences for the publication of the data that you own the responsibility for, or there are no real world consequences and all you're doing is play-acting in front of a camera. Which is it?

      I live in the states, and I've been listening to people call for accountability[...]

      So you've noticed that there's a difference between what people say, and what they do, have you? Welcome to conscious existence. People have been calling for accountability, and re-electing the same bunch of retards and crooks every couple years, because "it's not MY GUY who's the problem - he's helping us out here! It's those R's or D's from other places who need to get tossed out on their asses!"

      Until the public understands and accepts that accountability means more than "bitching to my co-worker who agrees with me while we have lunch," the accountability won't happen. There need to be actual teeth behind the threats of "voting for the other guy," "initiating recalls and impeachments," and other penalties for behaving badly.

      In informing people of things governments need to be held accountable for, Wikileaks *does* provide a valuable service. The problem is, that value is often overshadowed by Assange's attention-seeking and grandstanding behavior.

  4. The difference is power by Applekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exposing secrets of powerful institutions that can manipulate the fate of humanity isn't in the same league as the secrets that organization may hold. Isn't even the same galaxy.

    You can't take revenge and prosecute the powers that be. If you could, they wouldn't be powers and they wouldn't require whistleblowing. Wikileaks, on the otherhand, is very destructible.

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  5. Re:"to produce ... a more just society" by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest surprise of the leaks was that the US didn't have more to be embarrassed about.....

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  6. Re:"to produce ... a more just society" by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My problem with wikileaks is its heavy anti-american bias. It seems like he wants to embarrass the U.S. just for the sake of embarrassment, and not to make the world "a more just society".

    If you look at the great evils in the world today you can pretty much name them the USA, China, and Russia. They're the nations who are wandering around the planet dicking with other nations' governments the most, selling the most military hardware and/or engaging in the most metanational corporate activity. We could argue all day over whether these nations are truly in competition or are really engaged in dividing the globe up between themselves in a way they see as equitable and it wouldn't change a damn thing for the average man on the street anywhere in the world, including within these nations.

    The USA is projecting more power across the globe in the name of profit than any other nation, so naturally it should fall under the most scrutiny. And unfortunately, the more scrutiny you subject this government to, the more serious malfeasance you find. At some point you expect things to stop getting worse, but they don't; the system is rotten to the core. It might well look like the USA is being singled out, but perhaps the truth is that the USA is simply up to more misdeeds. The facts seem to support this hypothesis.

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  7. Government transparency..... by yuje · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is not incompatible with personal privacy.

  8. Secrecy by msheekhah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The secrecy was designed to protect the volunteers that worked on his project. He was anonymous for a long time, before he was outed. He takes the safety of his volunteers seriously, even if he does work them pretty hard.

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  9. Re:Wow. Simply wow. by Nemesisghost · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all, what do you think 130,000 CIA employees do all day, sit around and stare at the walls?

    No, Goats

  10. Livestrong by kaze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is Livestrong's anti-cancer mission any less worthy now that Lance Armstrong is de-famed?

  11. Re:propaganda by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's incredible how anti-Assange the US media is. They even try to create this pseudo-opinion of "I am really progressive and don't like war and all that, but Assange is just not right not to come clean about this."

    The US media is anti-Assange because the US government is anti-Assange. US news organizations have basically declared themselves tools of the government. Some examples of this:
    - There was recently a dust-up over the New York Times revealing the existence of a drone base in Saudi Arabia, a drone base that several news organizations had known about for 2 years but never reported on, even though its existence had been covered in other media. In other words, there was no legitimate reason to keep its existence secret, because any bad guys would have been able to find out about it using a sophisticated tool known as "Google", but media organizations in the US didn't say a word about it because the government asked them to keep it a secret.

    - Cenk Uygur was hired at MSNBC because of his successful online news program. He does a few shows, but then one of the network execs pulls him aside and tells him that some politicians in Washington don't like his reporting, so he needs to change it. Cenk didn't change it, and was promptly fired.

    - Several news organizations sat on a story that provided significant evidence of a massive illegal domestic surveillance program run by the Bush administration. For a year and a half. For the sole reason that the Bush administration had asked them to. It just so happened that that year and a half gave Bush enough time to be re-elected in the interim.

    Also, there's no major news organization that doesn't like war. War is exciting and entertaining. War draws in viewers and readers. War sells ads for the armed forces and cool guns and fast cars and action-packed movie extravaganzas. Remember, if it's white and bleeds, it leads (not-white and bleeds may be acceptable if no white victims are available).

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  12. Re:Wow. Simply wow. by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No Goatse.

    Often they took the pictures.

    No, you're thinking of the TSA.