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The Return of CISPA
Presto Vivace sends this news from the Hill:
"House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) and ranking member Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) said Friday that they plan to re-introduce the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) next week during a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The bill is aimed at improving information-sharing about cyber threats between government and industry so cyberattacks can be thwarted in real time. ... It would also encourage companies to share anonymous cyber-threat information with one another, and provide liability protection for businesses so they don't get hit with legal action for sharing data about cyber threats. "
You may recall CISPA from last year, when it was hailed as being even worse than SOPA, the Stop Online Piracy Act. We discussed why it was a bad bill back then; the new version is reportedly identical, so all of the same reasons will apply. The bill stalled last year against White House plans to veto it. Congressman Rogers said this about privacy fears: "We're talking about exchanging packets of information, zeroes and ones, if you will, one hundred millions times a second. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that." Don't worry folks; it's just zeroes and ones.
Hey Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger, can I borrow a few bucks? Come on, I know you've 'run in' to some money recently! ;)
The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
And I think I saw a two...
"it's just zeroes and ones"
okay, so if I start downloading MP3 and video files, the RIAA and MPAA will not object, because it's just zeroes and ones, right?
The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
If its just 0s and 1s, then what's wrong with downloading masses of copyrighted material or academic journals (aaron swartz)? Just 0s and 1s...
What's wrong with breaking into networks and sniffing all the traffic? Just 0s and 1's right...
Whats wrong with transmitting malicious software, or tampering with data in a banking system, or using someone else's credentials to make online payments?? Just 0s and 1s....
I'm beginning to like this precedent.
Does he really think that alphabet soup zeros and ones are somehow going down the ethernet cable, over the fucking telephone poles, routed through a series of tubes?
If the government isn't going to be reading them, then I assume we can cease construction of the huge new NSA data center in Utah?
Just for future reference... is there somewhere to get a price list on each piece of legislation. Just so we know how much they are spending every time we shoot something down (or forget to and it gets through)...
In Canada here they do the same thing so it would really be nice to have this posted. Like a pricing spreadsheet, making sure it lists the price of each elected (and non-elected) publish official, and the legal processes.
Just for reference...
These bills are just going to keep coming back. We need to organize, and here are a few places to start:
1. Track politicians. Get a sense of who, over time, is authoring, signing on, voting for, or otherwise supporting these bills. Companies develop advanced analytics by tracking consumer behavior, let's do the same by tracking politician behavior.
2. Let's barge into the money game. By identifying and publicly shaming/boycotting involved companies (with a focus on attacking their brand), and raising money to support politicians who reliably stand against these kids of bills.
3. Continuing to raise awareness. Internet outrage sparked the death of SOPA. We can keep doing it over and over. We can also start supporting primary opponents and general election opponents against politicians we've tracked and verified push these bills.
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Sincerely,
AC
Right, so now that Aaron Swartz is out of the picture they think they can just waltz in and throw this crap around?
The MPAA/RIAA should be forced to pay a fine for wasting so much of our taxpayer money on this shit.
...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.
Whoever wrote the bill knows exactly what the intent of all this monitoring and exchange of data is for. And those people did another masterful job of training these elected buffoons to spout crap like "it's only ones and zeros" to divert attention from that intent.
Maybe someone should ask Rogers exactly what an alphabetic character looks like when it is transmitted across the internet. (My guess is that he doesn't care unless he's getting a campaign contribution as a reward for knowing that.)
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
That is only 20% of the single digit numbers, 3 through 9 have escaped this time!
How about we put together an Indegogo or Kickstarter campaign to buy back our government from Hollywood... ... own your own senator...
I can see the perks now
Just to add to the endless litany of "...zeroes and ones..." comments:
"We're talking about [exchanging oscillations through the air], if you will, [continuously]. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that."
So, we should be able to ask Rogers to read off his medical history to a full audience and not expect him to care, right?
These clowns are just as clueless about the 'net as Ted Stevens was.
So they have been told three times now how much literally every last citizen does NOT want this.
Yet they keep thinking they can and should try again.
Are these congress assholes so fucking stupid as to think destroying "rule of law" is a good idea???
Don't they realize that the rule of law is the ONLY thing keeping them from being murdered and tortured, and their homes and families not being set ablaze?!?
If they don't want laws to mean anything at all, then us 99.99% will simply ignore ALL the rest of the laws. Fuck it. We are done.
Do these politicians understand what they are doing?
I mean, really understand, like appreciate some of the implications of what they are proposing?
Or is this something that their corporate backers want, that would be a good career move if these politicians got it through? It just sounds good, who doesn't want to protect America from cyber threats, what are you some kind of terrorist or something?
These are serious questions. Does anyone know the answers?
Lets meet them half way... they can have all the zeroes.
http://mikerogers.house.gov/legislation/sponsoredbills.htm
The only thing this guy has sponsored and has become law are re authorization of the Patriot Act and two Funding actions for National Intelligence.
1. H.R.67 : To extend expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 until February 29, 2012.
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 1/5/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary; House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
Latest Major Action: 1/24/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
Note: For further action, see H.R.514 , which became Public Law 112-3 on 2/25/2011.
3. H.R.754 : Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 2/17/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
House Reports: 112-72
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 112-18 [GPO: Text, PDF]
7. H.R.1892 : Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 5/13/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
House Reports: 112-197
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 112-87 [GPO: Text, PDF]
This guy is in bed with the NSA and the CIA, that's where the legislation came from. He thinks that spying on Americans is the best way to protect us from all those folks in the Middle East and China. I think he's a cross between J. Edgar Hoover and Jack Valenti. Also don't forget who's in charge of the MPAA now, good old Chris Dodd. The stench is all around on this one folks.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
People like this will always continue to beat on it until it goes thru. Its why freedom must be earned, every day. The first second you let your guard down, its gone.
Oh, and any compromise with them is a scam, they just use it against you and advance towards their goal. Then come back again and 'compromise' again, further in their direction until they win.
So who is registering "itsjustonesandzeros.com" so we can replace wikileaks with it? I mean it's just ones and zeros...
"and provide liability protection for businesses so they don't get hit with legal action for sharing data about cyber threats. "
You mean prevent litigation due to customer data loss.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Yeah, and it's just ink droplets and paper too. What a moron.
So if I submit a defamatory post about Congressman Rogers, encode it into "zeroes and ones" then Congressman Rogers can't sue me? Is THAT what he wants us to believe?
Give the people what they want, then encrypt your shit w 4096-bit keys, not enough? Double it. Modern connections can support it just fine. I honestly believe, that the politicians in washington right now don't understand the nature of the internet, not even a bit. And... this is a bad way to go about it, but does anybody else think that average people using the internet actually need a bit of help?
It's not most of the people on here that are getting their identities stolen, kids getting molested, & personal data stolen, but it would be irresponsible to turn a blind eye towards it, government intervention or not.
...it's a series of tubes!
The bill stalled last year against White House plans to veto it.
Bull-Fucking-shit.
You might recall a bill called the NDAA of 2012. The NDAA is passed every year to authorize funding of military action and this one was a real doozy because sneaked into this one was for the first time codified law that intends to allow the government to secretly and indefinitely detain anyone without ANY due process.
Some real fucked up communist shit, the Stazi would be proud of.
If you were paying attention you will also remember that the White House said for months it would veto this bill because of the indefinite detention sections. In the end, obama signed this piece of filth into law on new years eve, when Americans were more than nominally uncaring, unwatching and ignorant.
Shocked? Well hold on to your panties because it also became apparent that the White House was secretly pressuring the authors of the bill to include the indefinite detention section and telling them in secret that they would veto the bill if it came to them without indefinite detention or if there was clarification that excluded it's application to Americans. The exact opposite of what they were telling the public.
I warn you now. Do not put your faith in White House lies about using veto on authoritarian bills. They will sign them.
Liberty.
"We're talking about exchanging packets of information, zeroes and ones, if you will, one hundred millions times a second. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that."
I have been saying for years that doing things with ones and zeroes hundreds of millions of times a second is fine. Things like hacking into bank servers and changing ones and zeroes so that they think you have lots of money, and changing the ones and zeroes on your own harddrive in such a way to allow you to watch the latest movies in HD without paying for them is fine. It's just ones and zeroes.
I am pretty sure this congressman's email account password and home address are only ones and zeroes somewhere too.
Please, leak every single "one and zero" attached to this idiotic, tyrannical fucktard out into the light of day, where they belong.
.. but they are my zeros and ones.
Atlas stands on the earth and carries the celestial sphere on his shoulders.
So as a MD resident I clicked the link for Dutch (http://dutch.house.gov/contact.shtml) to see if he was the bozo for my area. No, but if you hit the left menu, there is a map of his district. It wraps around Baltimore, and the only real word to describe it is gerrymandering.
Nice job Dutch, I can only imagine that your mileage bill for driving around is in the millions....
So, are congressmen that dumb, or do they think the American people are that dumb? Secretly I believe both.
Did anyone else read that as "The Rectum of CISPA"?
"Assault weapons" are just metal and plastic, so if we're going with this way of thinking I think we're golden.
but some readers might be interested in Un-Corrupting Congress: A System-Changing Solution
Download all the movies and music you want folks! After all, it's all just zeroes and ones!
There is no way to kill a bill with prejudice. No way to say "NO, and don't ever bring this up again!"
So the same congressman who was there last year and the year before keeps bringing up the same bill over and over again until it passes. It doesn't cost them anything to introduce a failed bit of legislation. If anything, it costs the less the second time around because they didn't have to retype it.
Everyone already acknowledges that nobody reads these things, they're hundreds of pages of nonsense most of the time, and everyone knows there is some pork thrown in there somewhere to fund someones pet project, since that's the only way they'll vote for it.
Eventually, the public gets tired of standing up for their rights and just goes home. They'll wear down the protestors enough to the point where they won't notice or care that it's been backdoored into the "stop children's recitals act" of 2014.
Sounds like Megyn Kelly... "It's a food product, essentially" in reference to the U.C. Davis protesters being pepper sprayed...
-Myke
They've recently killed most important activist standing in the way of pushing this down the citizenry's throat. By killing Shwartz they've made an example for anyone wishing to oppose and now they're trying again again to get it through. This tells me a lot about US political class. Mentally they seem to be the same kind of crap you normally see in all those petty dicatorships around the world (most installed by the USofA, BTW). I'd urge you to protest this as strongly as you can right from the beginning. Otherwise with CISPA pushed through the Senate and NDAA pushed through courts US will be officially a military dictatorship.
"Say yur prayers, yuh flea-pickin' varmint!" -- Yosemite Sam
I fear the angry, short, red-headed cowboy is right this time. Hoping Bugs Bunny can save the day!