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Printable AR-15 Mag Gets More Reliable; YouTube Pulls Video of Demo
Wired reports that the 3-D printed AR-15 magazine from Defense Distributed we mentioned a few weeks back has been improved through design, and is now robust enough to last through firing (at least) several hundred rounds, rather than fewer than a hundred as in the previous iteration. CNET says the video demonstration on YouTube was first yanked, then restored, but as of now seems to have been yanked again.
The message says it violates Youtubes police against "spams, scams and commercially deceptive" videos..
How, exactly? Is google jumping into this dumbshit political dickwaving contest now?
Streisand effect for the win.
Better known as 318230.
Why is this at all important? You can make a magazine 'the old way" with a spring, some sheet metal, a spot welder and a metal brake (something that bends sheet metal). Yes, it takes some skill, but you're saying that a 3D printer is at the level of an iPhone?
The canonical 'assault rife', the AK-47, is pounded out in factories that look more like garbage dumps than anything else. If you look at pictures of the magazines you see a bunch that look, well, rather primitive. But they work.
This is not rocket science, folks. It's machine shop 101.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Youtube (AKA Google) is being intellectually dishonest and going back on its ideal of providing unbiased free access to information. Google has become an active filterer of this information. The video is not graphic, it is not sexual, it is relevant and political and Google has decided that is not appropriate for viewers.... Thank you Big Brother Google for protecting me from information. Maybe we should start filtering books, or speech?
I am very relieved that youtube is protecting me from dangerous information. I might hurt myself or others.
Now the question, is that because someone has figured out it is the best way to get Google to react fast, or because a AR-15 magazine manufacturer is protecting his business?
Without being able to see the video, how much of a commercial sales pitch could this be anyway?
Trying to become famous by taking photos. Visit my homepage please.
but isn't it sad that violence and gore is more acceptable than sex? Show a beheading in one of Tarantino's movie is ok, but show a penis on the screen and it's x-rated?
I cant wait for the day that 3d printers will be able to print just about anything. How can you make an item illegal if anyone can print it out? How do you enforce that? Constant 24/7 surveillance of everything they print out? Even then black market printers will have someway to bypass this, as we pirate games with DRM today. I am very excited for this cyberpunkesque type of future.
Does that mean the Doctors and recipients of voluntary abortions are going to hell as well?
Are you referring to DefDist or YouTube?
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
Equal footing with whom exactly?
Cos you're really going to be able to stop the tyrannical government with your AR-15 vs their cruise missiles and drones.
You could host the video somewhere else, you know. Google deciding not to host it on their services does not in any way prevent you from hosting it somehwere else - or hosting it yourself. If it is not your video, you don't have to work too hrad to find out who posted it and contact them directly for it so you can host it somewhere for them.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
the actual US military issue magazines are fucking terrible, and cause a weapons jam if you load more than 28 rounds in a 30 round mag.
For all the service members still in, if defense distributed could start making reliable working functioning products not by the lowest bidder, and somehow get them to the troops, it'd be a life saver.
just like miltec would give free militec-1 dry weapon lube to servicemembers
http://www.militec1.com/
I guess this means 'friendly fire'.
Apropos the gun control debate, note that the media is starting to paint Christopher Dorner with mental illness.
In particular, this quote from The Daily News:
"His chilling statements, found on his Facebook page, portray a deeply intelligent and opinionated man, one who promotes gay rights and gun control, but whose mind has unraveled, likely due to mental illness, paranoia and possibly unresolved trauma, experts said Thursday."
He wasn't mentally ill before the incident, or when he was with the LAPD, but he is now that they want to catch him.
We've seen a number of these "I've got nothing to lose, I'm going out with a bang!" cases recently. What's with that? Has there always been spree killings, but weren't reported widely until recently? Has something changed in society?
(I've often wondered what Aaron Swartz could have done, assuming he believed his life was over & had a year or so of long-term scheming to plan something.)
I love guns, 3d printing, and have a fairly large penis. Sup with that! Have you ever thought some people dont feel you shouldn't be allowed to own an item because it looks scary? Especially if statistics show it kills less people than knives? It seems like the only "wimp" here is the AC that wants to regulate something which is responsible for so few homicides it doesnt even have its own category, just because of its form.
Oh Noes! Information Is Free! We Must Stop It. For THE CHILDREN.
Go straight to hell you Fucking Statist.
I'm betting that someone from a TLA put pressure on youtube
Indeed, just because Google CAN play the censorship tool of the government doesn't mean it SHOULD play the censorship tool of the government.
"His name was James Damore."
As I understand YouTube's TOS, a first strike means two things: 1. loss of "good standing", which means loss of ability to post unlisted videos, and 2. two more slip-ups and all other videos associated with that account get yanked.
Just a guess: Perhaps "deceptive" or "scam" is a way of saying "this video may infringe the copyright in the shareware platformer, but we can't say it was pulled for copyright infringement if the complainant is someone other than the copyright owner, so we'll say it's deceptive as to the ownership of copyright in the video".
I agree with you that one should consider alternatives to Google. So what software do you recommend to make a private alternative to YouTube whose users can upload videos, have them automatically converted to both MP4 and WebM at several resolutions, and have them displayed through both HTML5 and Flash Player?
I've got 30 or so magazines from different makers. Not once in thousands of rounds of shooting have I had a jam and I load all magazines to capacity.
All have magpul followers, and 12 or so are actual magpul pmags. The rest are the standard metal grey 30 round magazine.
So, you're saying that bitcoins were NOT invented to be a form of currency? Because here I always thought that using currency to buy things was the "normal" use, as opposed to an example of "misappropriation"...
Or are you just trying to say that anyone who does something you disagree with is evil?
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I know, people should stick to the more socially acceptable expressions of their rights and not stray towards anything controversial.
One man, one rifle.
Twenty men, twenty rifles.
Fifty men, fifty rifles.
One hundred men, one hundred rifles.
One man has no chance of taking a tank, twenty guys might though. They won't be taking anything though without arms. Same goes for commandeering the drone control facility. You don't seem to understand that the second amendment isn't about one mans ability to rise up against tyranny, it's about the militias. But if you take one mans weapons, you take the militias. Your arguments are tired, pathetic, and lack any depth to what the forefathers envisioned.
The Viet Cong have to face drones?
I'm sorry, but no. If you sell a product, or inform others of how to make one, then you are not responsible for your users' actions. Ford isn't responsible for bank robbers using an Escort as a getaway vehicle, PC manufacturers aren't responsible for the antics of Anonymous, and Benchmade isn't responsible for stabbings.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
Yes, the big scary omnipotent govt of the US of A who also have the militia present when you vote, just to make sure you vote for the *right* person.
Give me a break. I know the US is not perfect but it's not Congo either. Businesses have to get a license (more like a tax id so the IRS can keep tabs on you), there's hunting license, and the almighty driver's license. Oh, there's also marriage license, bi/annual certification to be a social worker/ hazmat handler/ etc.
Who licenses or certifies them? I bet 90% is the big bad government you fear so much.
Sure, to earn the right to procreate should be a privilege but that's a lofty goal. Gun ownership is not a life necessity.
I wasn't a fan of Bush, but I'm not going to stockpile my basement with survivalist bullshit thinking the world is going to end. Obama is just slightly better, but not by much and again, I'm not going to stockpile ammo. This doom and gloom view of future administrations is overstated. Name an administrator's policy which has directly or indirectly caused harm to you or your family, and where a gun has defused the situation?
I hate this label, but we're a first-world nation, and things are far far from stable. Even when things were bad in Greece and Spain (which I went past summer), the protests and violence were very isolated.
How about Katrina? Or LA riots? Personally, I would've chosen to leave. If I had gotten stuck, I wouldn't need a gun - just like many others in the area and are still alive today. I have insurance. No, it would not have been fun to get those claims, but escalating a conflict with a gun is sure as hell worse.
No, the Cong had to face B-52s, F-105s, F-4s, etc.
The only thing interesting about drones is that the pilots aren't sitting in a seat onboard. Contrary to popular rumour, they are NOT more lethal than, say, an F-105 with six tons of ordnance plus cannon. Or an F-4 with nine tons of ordnance (no cannon, though).
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
It helps if you put the rounds in correctly (pointy end forward). Maybe that's davy's problem.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Being able to print gun parts is a much bigger issue then YouTube yanking a video. The current push for gun control doesn't address this issue at all. It would be funny if it didn't have so many implications for society at large. Printable guns are going to happen. Printable guns will be disposable and untraceable. Why keep a gun when you can print another.
What makes you think that the federal government is the only one that one might need to resist?
I'd like to refer you to the "Battle of Athens"
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
30 round magazines are NOT illegal. They do NOT require a background check to obtain.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Its the fact that you have disenfranchised the people who support you.
Ultimately, it will be trivial for them to cut the supply lines to cities and there will be f***all you can do about it.
So, just keep it up...
Seastead this.
You make it sound like the govt. is an entire different race of people.
In the case of the US government, they might as well be an entirely different race of people. With the kind of money involved in running for office now, it's pretty hard to get in unless you're already sold your soul to lobbyists and/or one of the already established power blocks.
does this apply to pharmaceutical companies as well? oh, yea, that's right. your straw-man is showing.
Especially, as in this when it's done solely to thwart legislation from making large magazines harder to get.
One might consider passing legislation that makes it a criminal offence to make weapons, or parts of weapons, available outside the regular arms dealers.
And no, that would in no way contravene the second amendment.
In colder climates we've only had the ability to have "constant" temperature for a couple of decades. Buildings really aren't magical; it takes a great deal of technology and energy to keep them warm (or cool). Do you think the tradition of sitting around the fire started because we didn't have TV? It was because it was too damn cold to sit elsewhere. You also walked around in big sweaters and blankets. Clothing is much more that a social construct regardless of whether or not nakedness is shameful. I guess what I'm getting at is being snarky and obnoxious is not a substitute for being accurate.
^ This Mod parent up, this is a great point. No one who owns a rifle honestly thinks that they're ever going to be able to stop an army, or hinder an abusive government alone. But even 500, or 1,000 people, armed with basic rifles and hiding in the woods can be quite a formidable force. Sure, in the end you can just carpet bomb the woods, but consider that there are millions of gun owners in America. If only 10% were to get angry enough to fight (and I honestly, truly hope it never comes to this), that's still thousands and thousands of armed fighters, across a massive nation. Basically, you can't bomb ALL of the forests. Disclaimer: I like having a gun, it's a tool to me. It's nice to have, and I use it for target shooting when I have the time. My point is, whenever someone says "Well, guns would be useless against tanks and etc", just remember wars like Vietnam, or the Middle East. You don't have to attack the tanks and airplanes, just their supply lines.
have a fairly large penis. Sup with that!
Clearly we need penis length restrictions and a ban on high-capacity testicles.
There's no reason a private citizen needs assault privates.
The fact is, most people don't know how easy it is to make guns. They imagine that it requires loads of highly-specialized and expensive equipment, plus a lot of training in some esoteric art, in order to produce guns.
They further imagine that this makes production costs high, which serve as a natural limit to how many guns are in circulation.
Of course, this is pure rubbish. None of this is even remotely true. Utter nonsense.
But that doesn't stop most people from seeing this whole gun-printing fiasco as a means of upsetting that (completely mythical) economic balance. They think this makes it a lot easier to make guns, and therefore more people will make and have guns than ever before (in HUGE numbers). Further, since having guns makes people turn evil, everyone we love (including ourselves) will be put at MUCH GREATER RISK of being shot than EVER BEFORE!!!
Again, this is pure and utter nonsense. But it is what the majority of the people seem to believe, and fear. Fear produces irrational responses, which are driving youtube to yank a video.
It sucks that we must share the world with stupid and irrational people, but there isn't much we can do about it. They outnumber us, and they always will.
According to the BATF, it is unlawful for you to posses the tools to make a fully automatic lower receiver.
This is probably a charge they add on after they raid your house and (accidentally burn it to the ground) when they think you have made a fully automatic lower receiver.
Therefore, its already against the law for you to have a forge or a CNC machine. The government (the BATF) will be by to pick it up on Thursday.
Care to explain how some guy buying weed with Bitcoins, or another guy 3D-printing an AR mag in his garage, affect you at all and "ruing technology for everyone else"?
And what does it even mean to "pervert" a technology? Bitcoins are designed as currency - currency, by definition, is used to trade goods. Drugs are a subclass of goods, so using Bitcoin to buy them is using it as intended. 3D printing is designed to produce objects out of plastic. Magazines are a subclass of plastic objects, so using 3D printers to print them is using it as intended.
Or are you of the "God told to only stick this thingy into here, and that's how it ought to be!" persuasion?
"Just 'cause I can" is pretty much the basic underlying motivation of the entire hacker subculture. See also: "just for fun" etc.
We're quoting CNET now? What is the world coming to?!?!
You think a zygote is a person. It is not.
Actually a small armed resistance can be very effective against an oppressive tyrannical government - that is exactly how the Apartheid government was defeated, for example. Study some history.
Yes they did. They weren't as sophisticated. There is nothing new under the sun.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Unibomber=a nut who thinks he's smarter then anybody else.
Liberal=a nut who thinks he's smarter then anybody else.
I'm seeing the equivalence.
Also note: Weather underground tried. They were just too stupid/stoned and blew themselves up.
Most rabid conservatives don't attack people the disagree with ether. That's firmly in 'counterproductive nut' land. It might not always be though.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
This would be interesting. Printing rocket pistols would be much easier than printing traditional firearms. :) Wikipedia says $100 per round.
The gyrojet had way less stress on the barrel, and was a moderately effective weapon. Expensive to fire these days though
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
We also discovered caves. Caves do a much better job of remaining a constant temperature than buildings. Buildings suck at keeping the cold out in the winter and the hot out in the summer.
Regardless, people didn't live their entire lives inside of buildings or caves. People had to go out and gather plants or hunt. In the days before refrigeration, that meant that even in even in the winter, people had to venture forth into the cold outdoors to get enough food to survive. Clothing wasn't a social convention, it was a necessary survival item. Try going outside in Boston this weekend without clothes and tell me how you're not suffering from hypothermia and it's just a social convention.
Much of Europe gets cold in the winter. Much of Europe can be uncomfortably cool, if you're nude during other part of the year. The same is true of Asia and north America, but those weren't the people who were shocked to discover naked savages when they "discovered" the rest of the world.
Clothing allowed people to live in areas that were too cold for them and it allowed for fair skinned people to venture into warmer places without constantly sunburning.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
No, the Cong had to face B-52s, F-105s, F-4s, etc.
The only thing interesting about drones is that the pilots aren't sitting in a seat onboard. Contrary to popular rumour, they are NOT more lethal than, say, an F-105 with six tons of ordnance plus cannon. Or an F-4 with nine tons of ordnance (no cannon, though).
Another interesting thing about drones: I look forward to our new national sport: drone skeet shooting. I'll have to get one of those fancy Italian shotguns.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
As long as the government does not collapse or lose its legitimacy totally, only a fool would seriously consider shooting it out with them. (Besides, the history of armed revolts is not a good one—especially if the revolutionaries win.) If there is a collapse, then this advanced weaponry will no longer be at the central government's disposal. In addition, there may not be a national army any more; even if the central government can still field an army, getting soldiers to fire on their own people is always a risky thing to try.
To my mind, the purpose of the Second Amendment is to assure that there is a citizen militia. The purpose of the militia is to provide for collective security and, because it is a citizen militia, to resist tyranny. However, not any bunch of guys with guns are a militia. This is where a lot of people go wrong: a militia must be legitimate. That means it must be answerable to a government authority, be it a county sheriff or the government of one of the several States. I say it's high time we resurrected this concept, for I think we will soon be needing local militias to preserve the remnants of civilization left to us. (That's a historical "soon"—it could be 3 years or 30.) Why do I think this? Well, read Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies. And consider the recent collapse of the Soviet Union. Do you really think that can't happen here?
One of the advantages of organizing a citizen militia at the local level is that it could be used to foster a sense of collective responsibility—if you want to own guns, then you should at least attend gun safety classes and some minimal drill with your local militia. You should be willing to be called out in case of an emergency (e.g. a search for a lost kid, or to deal with a larger disaster). Rights do imply responsibilities.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
One man has no chance of taking a tank, twenty guys might though. They won't be taking anything though without arms. Same goes for commandeering the drone control facility. You don't seem to understand that the second amendment isn't about one mans ability to rise up against tyranny, it's about the militias. But if you take one mans weapons, you take the militias. Your arguments are tired, pathetic, and lack any depth to what the forefathers envisioned.
What militias? I think that's part of the problem: we have no local or (U.S.) State militias. I think it's time we reconstituted them. However, as I've said in another comment, I think militias must be legitimate. They must report to a public official, be it a county sheriff, city mayor, or state governor. Not just any bunch of guys with guns constitutes a militia.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
the actual US military issue magazines are fucking terrible, and cause a weapons jam if you load more than 28 rounds in a 30 round mag. For all the service members still in, if defense distributed could start making reliable working functioning products not by the lowest bidder, and somehow get them to the troops, it'd be a life saver. just like miltec would give free militec-1 dry weapon lube to servicemembers http://www.militec1.com/
You're selling something here? Because your comment about military magazines is pure B.S. I only buy military contract mags for my AR, and they work fine. I've been loading 30 rounds into 30 round mags for over 30 years, and have never had a problem with milspec mags. I've heard about loading the 20 round mags low, but I don't have enough experience with them to comment on that.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
Though now you could just 3d print a a plinking round out of a polymer. The gyrojet was a design that became expensive to fire because the rounds were banned from production. They were banned because they were classed as destructive devices by being above 50 cal.
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Right now, there's no law against full capacity magazines. You can buy them in any capacity you wish. Well, I should say you can legally, they are sold out everywhere because idiots are panicking, but there's no law restricting capacity. So making your own, also no problem.
There might be an argument to taking it down if US law changed (I'm not saying I'd agree with it then either, just saying) but as it stands, there's nothing wrong with large mags legally.
The only thing interesting about drones is that the pilots aren't sitting in a seat onboard.
Exactly. The drone debate is going the same way as the gun debate. People get so worked up over the drones they overlook the whole govt-killing-its-own-citizens-without-a-trial part. Much like "assault weapons," drones are scary. Only the govt can be trusted with them.
have a fairly large penis. Sup with that!
Clearly we need penis length restrictions and a ban on high-capacity testicles.
There's no reason a private citizen needs assault privates.
You can have my cock when you pry it from your mother's cold, dead hand.
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