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Laser Intended For Mars Used To Detect "Honey Laundering"

A laser tool funded by the European Space Agency to measure carbon on Mars is now being used to help detect fake honey. By burning a few milligrams of honey the laser isotope ratio-meter can help determine its composition and origin. From the article: "According to a Food Safety News investigation, more than a third of honey consumed in the U.S. has been smuggled from China and may be tainted with illegal antibiotics and heavy metals. To make matters worse, some honey brokers create counterfeit honey using a small amount of real honey, bulked up with sugar, malt sweeteners, corn or rice syrup, jaggery (a type of unrefined sugar) and other additives—known as honey laundering. This honey is often mislabeled and sold on as legitimate, unadulterated honey in places such as Europe and the U.S."

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  1. Buy local honey by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most places in the US have a small local honey industry. Support it.

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    1. Re:Buy local honey by gregor-e · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's great and all, but in my experience, small local one-jar-at-a-time-by-hand producers charge about twice as much as the grocery store does. I can't believe that all the honey in the grocery store is fake. Or that the local producer's honey is really twice as good.

    2. Re:Buy local honey by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just make mead for my local apiary and get honey by the bucket in exchange. That obviously won't work for everybody but it's worth a shot if you're feeling adventurous.

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    3. Re:Buy local honey by eksith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't know about your local market, but in our market, yes, it is twice as good... and then some. Plus if you're talking about produce, it hasn't been on a truck half way across the country before getting to the display shelf, so you can be sure it's fresh. You do taste a difference.

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    4. Re:Buy local honey by cyn1c77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most places in the US have a small local honey industry. Support it.

      Supporting local businesses is good if you want small business to remain alive.

      But that's not going to stop a "local" merchant from buying Chinese fake honey, pouring it in smaller bottles, and then selling it at twice the price.

      So buying local isn't really a fix for smuggling and fraud.

    5. Re:Buy local honey by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The farmers I buy from charge perhaps 15% more; the product tastes a fair bit better. There's my frickin' anecdote.

      I was surprised by the 1/3+ figure in TFS too. That's a huge amount of honey to be slipping under the FDA radar, way too high to not become a major scandal, you'd think.

    6. Re:Buy local honey by Pecisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but good honey have *never* been cheap. If it's cheap, it's probably not very good (it's good indicator).

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    7. Re:Buy local honey by StormShaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fresh? I thought honey lasted for years. It certainly has to in my house; I don't use it very fast.

    8. Re:Buy local honey by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This advice cannot be overstated. The benefits cannot be overstated. When I travel, and am going to be there a week, I try to get a bit of local honey. It really helps with my allergies. It also provides an unique local flavor. Yes it does cost more and many will complain that the flavor is inconsistent, but do we really want to live in a world where everything is made to minimize cost and maximize consistency. I am sure that many do. For those who don't, local honey is one way to make the world a less banal place.

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    9. Re:Buy local honey by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Honey is one of the few foods to have a shelf life that approaches the half-life of uranium. There's honey dug up out of ancient Egyptian tombs that is/was still considered edible.

      OTOH, the taste apparently degrades with time, which may explain GP's assertion.

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    10. Re:Buy local honey by Myopic · · Score: 5, Informative

      The shelf life of honey is measured in centuries. Freshness is a canard. There may be good reasons to buy local honey, but that isn't one of them.

    11. Re:Buy local honey by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Answering my own question:
      "Oxytetracycline, an antibiotic, is widely used by keepers to get queen bees to lay more eggs."

      So there you go!

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    12. Re:Buy local honey by Izuzan · · Score: 5, Informative

      no they just get it cheap from china and Argentina. Billy Bee honey in Canada is about 90% foreign honey that they buy dirt cheap. they are also getting what is called Honey Analog which is what this test is there to detect. gathering honey is FAR from an easy job. it is heavy hot and hard work for little pay out. (my parents are one of the bigger honey producers in Ontario) you dont make any money through the winter months. (other than what you can sell from the door) and you are going all balls to the wall during the summer. honey boxes on average weigh about 80lbs each, each yard my parents have has 20 hives, each with an average of 2-3 of these boxes coming off at any one time. then you have to exact it. to do 2 skids of boxes which is 12-16 boxes per skid is an entire days work. when they do sell their honey to packers (billy bee) they want to pay about half what the from the door price is. they make a not to bad living doing it. about 75k a year in a good year. but that is generally all at once when they sell to a packer. so that has to last them the entire year. i would not wish it on anybody. i would not get into the family business unless i had to.

    13. Re:Buy local honey by Zemran · · Score: 5, Funny

      " just skip a $6 coffee on the one day"???

      Are you crazy? The neighbours would be wearing the honey... A day without coffee is far too dangerous.

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    14. Re:Buy local honey by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a minute. 'Honey bucket' means something dramatically different where I come from.

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    15. Re:Buy local honey by ridgecritter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Our local hardware store sells honey from local producers. Variety varies depending on what's in bloom and it's minimally processed, which I think is why it tastes so much better than the stuff in major grocery stores. The price is lots higher and I buy less of it than I might if I were buying at Safeway, but I enjoy it much more and I'm glad to support the local beekeepers. It's nice to drive by the hives where the honey came from on my way home.

    16. Re:Buy local honey by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Much like the $100 audio cables, even as a person who really likes honey, i can't tell the difference. I certainly can tell between "honey flavored syrup" sold in the grocery store and actual honey, but for real honey it all tastes about the same to me. Same with syrup. I like to spring for actual maple syrup but beyond it just being real maple syrup the various brands don't taste any different.

      Dunno. Maybe my pallet just isn't refined. I can't tell the difference between an "organic" vegetable and the regular ones from the grocery store either.

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    17. Re:Buy local honey by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fresh? I thought honey lasted for years.

      It does. That's why the honey you buy at the Stop & Shop could have been sitting in a tank in China for several years.

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    18. Re:Buy local honey by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, you do not want to mix up the honey buckets when you want an additive for your tea.

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    19. Re:Buy local honey by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not just oxetetracycline, I'm afraid.

      Unfortunately, the FDA only inspects a tiny fraction of what's out there.

      As for heavy metals, Chinese apiaries too often use lead soldered frames. Honey reacts with metals, unfortunately.

    20. Re:Buy local honey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe my pallet just isn't refined.

      If you bring in honey by the pallet, it's no wonder your palate has no sensitivity. Maybe you should cut down, so you can experience the whole palette of flavours that nature intended.

    21. Re:Buy local honey by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Informative
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    22. Re:Buy local honey by ebonum · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in China. It is the same here. You can buy the crap from Carrefour ( think Walmart, but run by the French ), or you can buy from the local growers. Once you get out of the cities, you can find beekeepers that setup stands next to the highways. Most of them have boxes and boxes of hives with them. They move from farm to farm in the area, helping to pollinate the local crops. The honey they have on hand tends to be what they were last pollinating. If you ever get the chance to try some, do. It's really good stuff. Plus, it is always good to directly support the local farmers ( And Yes. They will try to up the price if you look like a city dweller. Just get back in the car. Start the engine and the price will drop 50%. )

    23. Re:Buy local honey by retchdog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The varieties of honey (determined by the predominant flora which the bees gather pollen from) have noticeable differences. Some are subtle; orange blossom honey does taste a little bit like oranges. Tupelo honey costs 2-3x as much and is considered the superior honey, but honestly I can't tell the difference between it and clover. However, I've gotta say any honey labeled as a specific variety is manyfold better than the stuff in the plastic bear. So what if it costs more? A jar of honey lasts me a year. I'll optimize somewhere else.

      Now buckwheat honey, if you have a chance to try it, is almost nothing like `normal' honey; you might hate it, but it's worth trying. It is extremely dark and has an odd almost savory/umami taste. It's a bit weird on its own, but if you mix it with an acid (I use apple cider vinegar) and deglaze a steak pan, you get an amazing sauce... it's hard to believe it's only two ingredients (plus the fond and drippings from the steak of course).

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    24. Re:Buy local honey by retchdog · · Score: 5, Informative

      This article says differently.

      Specifically, a lot of the honey (75%+) in grocery stores doesn't have the expected amount of pollen that pure honey would have. This doesn't necessarily mean that it's adulterated, of course, but since pollen is completely harmless and does nothing to affect longevity of the product, maybe one should be a bit suspicious about why they're removing it (note: the filtration is a process which increases production cost), if not to cover up fraud.

      By contrast, every honey they sampled at farmers markets had the expected pollen. Again, this isn't an exhaustive study, but in contrast I see absolutely no support for your claim.

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    25. Re:Buy local honey by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One benefit of local honey is help with allergies for local conditions. I have a friend with severe allergy problems and he raises bees for this very reason. I have no allergy problems but he claims that consuming the honey from local bees helps greatly. It's best if you get the honey with the honeycomb as well.

    26. Re:Buy local honey by shentino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      News at 11, humans are greedy fuckers and will cheat you every chance they get.

    27. Re:Buy local honey by egcagrac0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I HAVE to try coffee honey.

      That sounds interesting, but the coffee honey is likely to taste of coffee blossoms, not roasted coffee seeds. You may not get the flavor you're hoping for.

    28. Re:Buy local honey by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, for an extra two bucks you can get almost a pound of Folgers or Maxwell House which perks pots and pots of coffee. His point is, if you're spending six bucks for a cup of something that costs pennies to make, bitching about an extra buck for quality honey is just stupid. Especially since that jar of honey will do you for months instead of hours.

      If I were moderating you'd get a "funny".

      It just struck me why people drive so stupid when I'm on my way to work -- they're racing to Starbucks, while I'm already well caffenated.

    29. Re:Buy local honey by rockytopchip · · Score: 5, Informative

      Place your bottle of crystallized honey in a warm water bath and it will be like it was when freshly bottled, without the crystallization.

    30. Re:Buy local honey by CowTipperGore · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just be careful that you don't heat it too much. Warm it like good BBQ - slow and low. Also, you'll often end up with some foam on top when you are finished. This stuff is like marshmallow cream, expect it is pure honey. I can't explain just how good it is.

    31. Re:Buy local honey by Izuzan · · Score: 4, Informative

      its not used to make them lay more eggs, it is an Antibiotic to help get rid of what is called Foul Brood. it turns the larva in the cells into a stinky brown slime. the bee's cant clean this up by themselves. if it isn't caught in time the whole hive must be destroyed. which is generally done by blocking all the entrances to the hive pouring gasoline into it. and burning it. the heat kills the bacteria. and destroys any honey in the hive. as bee's are scavengers they will raid a dead hive to steal the honey. if you dont burn the diseased hive they will take the bacteria back to a healthy hive and infect it.

    32. Re:Buy local honey by CowTipperGore · · Score: 5, Informative

      Commercial tomato varieties are bred for tough red skin and blemish-free fruit. Flavor has no part in the equation. The commercial tomato industry was on the verge of collapse due to the increase in mechanization in farming but tomatoes were so fragile that there was no ability harvest them without destroying them. So the food scientists developed breeds that were firm, that were uniform in appearance, and that could be picked earlier. US producers pick their tomatoes while still completely green and subject them to 24 hours of ethylene gas to artificially ripen them. Many are refrigerated to further reduce spoilage but this also destroys nearly all of the flavor that may have accidentally remained.

      Recent research has indicated that the same genes that cause the uniform coloration selected for in commercial tomatoes also cause the fruit to convert the sun's energy into sugars. It isn't just that the round, red tomato-like cardboard balls at the store lost their flavor because it wasn't a priority in the breeding program - it appears that the flavor and appearance may be mutually exclusive.

  2. All the more reason by eksith · · Score: 4, Informative

    You should try to buy from your local Farmer's Market if there's one nearby, whenever possible. You will be supporting your local economy and you can be reasonably sure a local merchant isn't pumping poison into the product or the groundwater (or else someone will have noticed). Especially when it's their water too.

    I stocked up on some excellent honey and combs (these are delicious!) past Summer from our local market and they hold one at least twice a week near the town square. It's a good way to meet people in your area the old fasioned way too as opposed to FB, Twitter et al.

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  3. Not mentioned in the article... by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, fake honey is bad. But even legitimate Chinese honey is crap. Honey is honey, right? Bees fly around, collect nectar, then spit out honey. (Yeah, yeah, the types of flowers affects the taste. I'm getting to that.) But a lot of Chinese honey doesn't involve flowers at all -- the bees drink sugar water. For all I know, that happens in the US, too. As mentioned above, go to a farmer's market and buy some local honey.

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    1. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not 100% sure, but I believe in the U.S. the economics work out so that there's no incentive to fake the flower part and have your bees drink sugar water. Sort of the opposite, actually. Bees for crop pollination are enough in demand that some beekeepers actually make more money taking them around to pollinate crops than they do from selling the honey!

    2. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most honey farmers will take out so much honey of the hives that they have to feed the bees sugar water to survive the winter.

      I have a beehive in my backyard. I always give them some sugar water during the winter. I don't know any other beekeepers that don't do the same. It helps lower the winter die-back, and helps the hive get a strong start in the spring.

      This in turn leads to crappier honey next season.

      I have never heard this before. The bees eat the sugar, and it is all consumed by the time they start making new honey. I give them their last feeding in February, and they don't start making new honey till April. The sugar is not mixed with honey harvested for human consumption.

    3. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a beehive in my backyard. I always give them some sugar water during the winter. I don't know any other beekeepers that don't do the same. It helps lower the winter die-back, and helps the hive get a strong start in the spring.

      So does leaving enough honeycomb for the bees. Where I come from, the hive would have nine frames, of which two would remain unharvested. If you want to give them a strong start, keep a frame in the freezer for spring.

      Yes, I boycott apiaries that feed sugar water, except in abnormal circumstances that wasn't due to taking too much honey in the first place.

    4. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      agreed. having no experience with beehives on my resume, I find this comment interesting.

      Well, I am not a pro or anything. It is just a hobby. I have never sold any honey, but I do give a lot away. Even one hive produces much more than one family needs.

      My mom had a few beehives when I was a kid, and everything I know about beekeeping, I learned from her. She gave the bees supplemental sugar during the winter, so I did the same. I just assumed that everyone did that.

      It is a fun hobby. I very rarely get stung. The last time was several years ago. My kids enjoy helping out with the honey harvesting. We put it in jars with a chunk of honeycomb and give it as Christmas presents. You can get started for about $200 in supplies.

    5. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most honey farmers will take out so much honey of the hives that they have to feed the bees sugar water to survive the winter.

      I spoke with an bee keeper shortly after the story about the problems with feeding bees HFCS (it often contains small amounts of insecticide, which causes problems with bees navigation). His comment was that it was probably not a significant problem since most beekeepers only fed bees a small amount of sugar water in the late winter so that the bees were stronger when the first blossoms of spring happened. He fed his bees cane sugar in water in late February, early March. Based on what he said, the only reason that beekeepers in the U.S. feed their bees sugar water is so that they are stronger when the blooms of spring happen, not because they took too much honey out of the hive. Nature does not care if the hive can pollinate lots of flowers and start making large amounts of honey in the early spring, so nature does not care if it takes several weeks after the flowers start to bloom for the hive to be up to speed. Commercial beekeepers on the other hand want to get as much productivity out of the hive as they can. Which means that if they can get the hive up to mid season strength as soon as the flowers start to bloom, they can make more money. Beekeepers also tend to actually treat their hives as sort of pets (not individual bees, but the hive as a whole), feeling emotionally attached to the health of the hive. Beekeepers significantly improve the health of bee hives much like cat owners improve the lives of cats.

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  4. The actual producer? by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    They guy with all the bees is just the slave-driving middleman.

    If you really want to buy from the actual producers, buy from the bees themselves. :)

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    1. Re:The actual producer? by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep, even I have only "Insightful" and "Interesting" mod points left.

  5. Space Industry Technology by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again, space industry technology is applicable to everyday life right here on earth. Pay attention, you stupid assholes in government!

    1. Re:Space Industry Technology by ridgecritter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think reality disagrees with you. The tech you listed was pushed into being by military, cost-is-no-object requirements. GPS happened because the US military needed a precision location system, and a space-based system was the only way to make it happen. Integrated circuits, which led to microprocessors and all the rest, happened because the US military had to miniaturize guidance and control electronics for ballistic missile systems. All of the decades of aerospace R&D which SpaceX is building upon to such good effect in reducing launch costs were undertaken by noncommercial, mostly cost-insensitive nation/state participants.

      Basically, the $0.75 GPS chip in your iPhone happened in response to the prior existence of the GPS system. I doubt that Steve Jobs at his best would have been successful in persuading the US DoD to put up GPS. But with GPS already in the sky, he had a firm base on which to monetize the mass-market potential of the system (as did others - just using Jobs/iPhone as one example).

      This is how it's worked over the centuries: human conflict drives development of "stuff" that ordinary consumers/businesses could never get funded through their own economic models. Then people think of wider uses for the "stuff", and (manufacturing volume + tech advance) make the capabilities cheap.

      So while you may think it more efficient to have space technology develop as a consequence of everyday advancements, it seems that in fact, everyday advancements more often proceed from the incredibly expensive cutting-edge wacko development work undertaken for reasons completely outside the purview of everyday economics. I think efficiency is a complicated and subtle thing.

  6. The world is full of wankers by multiben · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fake honey? Really? I wasn't even aware there was a fake honey underworld. I love honey and now I have to worry about whether some fuckwit has filled it with something else? Thanks alot you wankers.

  7. As long as it doesn't contain horse meat .. by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

    But seriously, don't buy clear honey. Honey can be traced by the pollen, which has been removed in clear honey.

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  8. Not wankers by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    This was about adulterating honey with other sweet materials or honey that is contaminated with antibiotics and heavy metals.

    If a wanker is adulterating your honey, well, I think I'd rather die of heavy metal poisoning than think about what he's adulterating it with.

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  9. How credible is this story? by gonz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the original self-promoting story from Food Safety News:
    http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/08/honey-laundering

    However, from searching Google News (e.g. "china counterfeit honey"), the results are merely people's blogs that link to the same Food Safety News article. I'm sure FSN is providing a helpful service of raising awareness, but they are not an impartial group who we can expect to conduct a reliable investigation. Where are the confirming sources?

    Their article references the FDA, the Department of Commerce, and the Department of Agriculture -- but I can't find anything on those sites to support the article's opening claim that "A third or more of all the honey consumed in the U.S. is likely to have been smuggled in from China."

    Can anybody provide a citation?

  10. AU: 'Honey & Syrup' contains 60% syrup... toda by ivi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of Australias' "Big 2" SuperMarket chains (ie, Coles) places Chinese-sourced "Honey & Syrup" in the middle of the rectangle of shelf-space otherwise occupied by honeys.

    As "Honey" is listed first, in the product's name, I - for one - was once fooled into thinking that the product would -surely- have at least 50% honey in each plastic bottle of "Honey & Syrup," so I tracked down the Australian distributor & asked for details about the product.

    (I should have generalised from what we - long ago - discovered about so-called 95 gram cans of "designer tunas" ...which turned out to contain from about 40% tuna up to slightly over 70%, depending on each can's "designer flavor.")

    (The Australian importer's phone number was answered by an auto-parts company(!). Checking the phone number, it was then listed, in the phone catalog, as a car parts company.)

    Assuming that the company was perhaps a rural-based operation, happy to convert some extra storage space into profits, I focused on the product's make-up, since the label did not specify the prevalence of either of the two named ingredients.

    Verbally, the person at the cart parts company, who answered as importer & distributor of this product, told me that the product was 60% -syrup- & only 40% honey. As the label did not show these percentages, I couldn't help replying: "Today, maybe, but I'd almost expect the Chinese supplier to further reduce the percentage of honey it may mix in, in future, ie, to cut its cost.