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Internet Poker Could Make a Comeback By Going Brick-and-Mortar

pigrabbitbear writes "It's the most modern lament in retail: Brick-and-mortar shopping has gone the way of the dodo as everyone buys their junk online. But for the once-booming online gambling market, salvation may require a reversal of that trend. For one online gaming giant, buying a casino in Atlantic City is the first step to bring Internet poker back to the U.S. In 2006, playing online poker for real cash was deemed illegal. While that didn't stop more serious players from playing, especially once the big hosts started funneling cash offshore, the FBI and DoJ's crackdown on April 15, 2011 did. The big trio of online poker – PokerStars, Full Tilt, and Absolute Poker – were all shut down, domains seized, and executives arrested on charges related to fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling. While PokerStars and others continued operations in foreign, legal markets, the U.S. poker craze pretty much collapsed. That doesn't mean the lucrative market has gone away. Now, the Rational Group, which owns both PokerStars and Full Tilt, may be hinting at a workaround: the company is looking to buy a struggling casino in Atlantic City. Rational faces a rather large mess of regulatory hurdles, but if it does end up acquiring the Atlantic Club Casino Hotel, it would have a huge foothold in New Jersey's young market for internet gambling."

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  1. be nice if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The big trio of online poker ... were all shut down, domains seized, and executives arrested on charges related to fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling"

    It'd be nice if something like that were to happen to some banks these days.

    1. Re:be nice if... by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The big trio of online poker ... were all shut down, domains seized, and executives arrested on charges related to fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling"

      It'd be nice if something like that were to happen to some banks these days.

      Or, hell, maybe they can start with whoever runs the various lotteries? It is also gambling and of a much worse kind:

      1. The lottery only pays back about 50%, while most casinos skim a small percentage and pay back the rest.

      2. At least theoretically, you can get good at poker.

    2. Re:be nice if... by Sique · · Score: 3, Informative
      The main difference between lotteries and casinos is the number of rounds played. Even if a casino skims only a small percentage, it skims it every round, and that's where the money is made. Not many people enter a casino once a week to play exactly one round, as it is with lotteries.

      If you play for instance Roulette, your payout on average is 36/37 per round. After 25 rounds you have on average about 50% of your capital left. An evening of Roulette thus gives the casino the same share of your money as does playing one round in the lottery.

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  2. Really? by Redmancometh · · Score: 2

    Why was this even accepted?

  3. Re:Fingers crossed by bhlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was a semi-pro and quit about 3 months before black friday.. Don't miss it a bit and hope my kids never take it up..

  4. Sooo.. this is a comeback, how? by ixarux · · Score: 2

    Internet poker going brink-and-mortar is just plain old poker. Something that never did go out of fashion.
    Unless out here people are sitting in a casino on terminals, playing with each other. That might work. Internet poker in a closed sealed room. I await movies made about this.

  5. Re:Wait a second.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those that don't want to actually read the articles before making comments like these, they would be "going brick-and-mortar" so that they could then obtain a license for their online site. The UIGEA initially lumped poker in with sports betting, horses, blackjack, etc., but the DOJ recently conceded that poker was a game of skill so Nevada and NJ took that as a sign that they could start moving forward while most still interpret online poker to be illegal. They're starting by giving licenses to already established casinos as I'm sure they don't want a bunch of new and untrustworthy sites popping up without federal regulation. Plus I assume there's a ton of lobbying to keep out new competition.

  6. "Rational" by eksith · · Score: 2

    Funny name for a company that exists only due to its customers suppressing that line of thought when they place their bets

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  7. Re:a question by hedwards · · Score: 2

    Because if you have to drive into a physical location to put money in your account or remove it from your account it's no longer interstate commerce. IIRC the problem with internet gambling was the money being transferred to and from your account.

  8. Re:a question by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it's been illegal since the days of Al Capone to place a wager by telephone across state lines, those same laws apply to internet communications. Funding has been an issue, but never the only issue. If they start allowing people to wager across state lines they are going to end up in jail. This is the very reason the US went after the operations in the first place, Gambling is a state regulated activity.

    In my state in particular there isn't a single form of legal gambling. No horses or dogs, no lottery and no table games of any kind. In fact the state refuses to allow a lottery because of the fear of the Indian tribes opening casinos (Tribes can only open casinos if gaming is allowed in the state, by that I mean any form of gaming, if the state outright prohibits gaming of all kinds the Tribe is unable to open a casino under federal law). But the state directly to the north allows a state lottery, as a result the major Indian Tribe has a very large Casino inside the reservation.

  9. Re:I'd love it if this bit casinos in the ass by will_die · · Score: 2

    The major casinos have been lobbing FOR on-line gambling, while they figure they will loss money from people going to the casinos they have said they are already loosing people to indian casinos. They have also said they expect to make money compared to companies like full tilt,etc since they would be more trusted since they are regulated in the states and have physical buildings.
    The gambling interests that have been against it are state lottery officials since they see on-line gambling as a potential competitor to state run lotteries.

  10. Re:Fingers crossed by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2

    With electronic cards, I have no way of knowing if I'm just having a bad day or being cheated.

    Sure, no way of knowing. Not hand history, win/loss analysis, expected value based on your play, etc. If you don't realize the game is all about numbers, and that those numbers are there for your analysis, then maybe you shouldn't be playing online.

    Or, on second thought, maybe you should. I'll send you an invite to my private room. There's lots of donks and noobs there, ripe for the picking.