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Drones Still Face Major Hurdles In US Airspace

coondoggie writes "Communications and effective system control are still big challenges unmanned aircraft developers are facing if they want unfettered access to U.S. airspace. Those were just a couple of the conclusions described in a recent Government Accountability Office report on the status of unmanned aircraft (PDF) and the national airspace. The bottom line for now seems to be that while research and development efforts are under way to mitigate obstacles to safe and routine integration of unmanned aircraft into the national airspace, these efforts cannot be completed and validated without safety, reliability, and performance standards, which have not yet been developed because of data limitations." The FAA and others seem mostly concerned about the drones hitting things if their GPS and ground communications are both disrupted.

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  1. How about no? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't need thousands of unmanned vehicles zipping around in the skies malfunctioning and crashing into things and people.

    And this is not even considering privacy and security implications. At least manned vehicles have a sufficient barrier to entry (expensive) and a motivation to be extremely reliable (because the occupants will die if not).

    1. Re:How about no? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And this is not even considering privacy and security implications

      You seem to be forgetting the War on Terror, Copyright Infringement and Human Rights, citizen.

      Please report to your nearest re-education center.

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    2. Re:How about no? by letherial · · Score: 2

      Well your argument is null and void as soon as you used the word sheep. I just wanted to say, for me, i find that kind of way of arguing a bit childish. Its no wonder why you are annon.

    3. Re:How about no? by Herr+Brush · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must not be a fan of sci-fi. Many, many modern inventions, social developments and world events have been preceded by fictional speculation. Perhaps a Terminator 3-type scenario isn't just around the corner but never say never.

    4. Re:How about no? by icebike · · Score: 2

      Yup, way cheaper. Cheap Drones only costs $20,000 each.

      No thanks, I'll take the pimply faced kid driving the beat up toyota delivering my pizza any day. If he gets lost he calls me on his cell phone, and delivers the pizza from a "hot-bag" direct to my door, not frozen in flight, and crashed thru my windows, or delivered three houses away because GPS reception is spotty.

      "We Privates" do not want these things buzzing around.

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  2. drones shmones by xevioso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My suspicion is that once drones start to become more ubiquitous in US Airspace, pecople here will come up with ways to interfere with them. In other countries directly targeted by the drones, they haven't been very successful, but in the US all it will take will be a few backyard hobbyists who really really really have issues with drones, and they will come up with an easy way to interfere/take over/destroy/ shoot down said drones...and this technology, whatever it is, will be then used by people in other countries to take out OUR drones.

    So putting drones in US airspace is actually a stupid counterproductive thing, on many fronts.

  3. I am a UAV pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only UAV that's close to airworthy is Northrop's billion dollar disaster of the Global Hawk. Of course, airworthiness is a big part of the reason that they cost $50M apiece. None of the rest of the UAVs are airworthy. Not even remotely. They all have severe design flaws that render them reasonable only for overwater, over the ocean, or combat zones. None of them are designed with the rigour or safety focus that's required for a small airplane, much less something that's in commercial service. All of them have software single point of failure problems that will cause them to crash in an unpredictable place.Triton and the Global Hawk will, at least, crash in a pre-planned, surveyed spot. None of the rest.

    I see no reason to allow anything over 55 lbs to fly unless it's designed to the same level of safety and airworthiness as "real airplanes", because the physics works the same way when it hits you. I'm not saying "no" to UAV's, but start over and do it right.

    1. Re:I am a UAV pilot... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I am curious why did you pick 55 lbs?

      I believe that's the lower weight limit set by the FAA. If your aircraft is lighter than 55 lbs, then it's not classified as an aircraft and merely a hobby aircraft that doesn't need or regulation (e.g., RC aircraft). If it's heavier, then it falls under FAA experimental aircraft rules and is regulated.

      And yes, there have been model aircraft heavier than 55lbs which have undergone such testing.

      As for privacy and security? Well, I think the bigger implication right now is Google Glass which when it's a lot cheaper, will suddenly put a lot more cameras in a lot more places. Law enforcement won't need drones for surveillance anymore when your fellow citizen will do it all for them.

  4. Liable Party in an Accident? by mk1004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So if there's a mid-air collision between a private or commercial aircraft and a drone flown by a government agency, the usual legal protections will probably shield the drone operators from liability. The thought of that kinda sucks.

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    1. Re:Liable Party in an Accident? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      My understanding is that the rules for model aircraft would apply, which pretty much make the model aircraft operator liable for a large portion of the damage.

      Disclaimer: I got a little involved in the model aircraft community for a while, but never deep enough to personally deal with liability. Input from those more knowledgeable is appreciated.

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  5. that's a lot of jetpacks! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    hey, as long has they have a man with a red lantern proceed each drone so horses aren't spooked, I'm sure the Pennsylvania legislature will be fine with it.

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  6. the sky is falling by bitt3n · · Score: 2

    We don't need thousands of unmanned vehicles zipping around in the skies malfunctioning and crashing into things and people.

    And this is not even considering privacy and security implications. At least manned vehicles have a sufficient barrier to entry (expensive) and a motivation to be extremely reliable (because the occupants will die if not).

    "We don't need" is hardly a reason to make something illegal in itself. The phrase is a lazy rhetorical device.

    Further, what makes you think such machines wouldn't be orders of magnitude more reliable than human drivers (who can get drunk, old, preoccupied, poisoned by testosterone, or succumb to idiocy), who operate much heavier equipment, and in closer proximity to potential victims? You seem to be presuming no one can come up with an effectual means to prevent a malfunctioning device from causing damage, which seems implausible, given the fact that a simple airbag like mechanism that slows the rate of descent would probably serve reasonably well in many situations, especially in conjunction with the same kind of laws that restrict helicopter flight over populous areas.

    You'd do better to focus on why the privacy and security issues cannot be similarly resolved, instead of merely mentioning them whilst waving your hands wildly about. Surely photography and recording technology itself poses serious privacy and security issues, but this would have a been lousy reason for banning the public use of cameras and microphones.

    1. Re:the sky is falling by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      You'd do better to focus on why the privacy and security issues cannot be similarly resolved, instead of merely mentioning them whilst waving your hands wildly about.

      Because drone aircraft is wildly incompatible with the 4th amendment?

      It's blanket surveillance of the citizenry without any judicial oversight, lacking any probably cause, and generally not the kind of thing a free society does.

      The idea that people should become accustomed to constant surveillance is a sure sign that the terrorists are winning, and the government is taking advantage of that to make everybody into scared people who will submit to this kind of thing.

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    2. Re:the sky is falling by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A commercial drone carrying cargo across the country isn't compatible with the 4th amendment? This is a much broader issue than simple surveillance drones used by the police.

  7. Re:The fact states are scrambling to pass laws by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    On another note it's illegal to toss a moose out of an airplane in Alaska - that most certainly is a state law, so I submit states can make their own laws where airspace is concerned.

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  8. Black box solution (was Re:drones shmones) by WillAdams · · Score: 2

    I want to see an electronics box which:

      - scans for the unencrypted video feed on the frequencies drones use
      - sounds an audio alarm when it finds one
      - displays the video feed on a local screen
      - immediately begins streaming the video off-site (for record-keeping)

    Anyone have an idea on how affordable / expensive / reliable such a thing could / would be?

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