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US Stealth Jet Has To Talk To Allied Planes Over Unsecured Radio

Lasrick writes "David Axe at Wired's Danger Room explains: 'For the first time, America's top-of-the-line F-22 fighters and Britain's own cutting-edge Typhoon jets have come together for intensive, long-term training in high-tech warfare. If only the planes could talk to each other on equal terms. The F-22 and the twin-engine, delta-wing Typhoon — Europe’s latest warplane — are stuck with partially incompatible secure communications systems. For all their sophisticated engines, radars and weapons, the American and British pilots are reduced to one-way communication, from the Brits to the Yanks. That is, unless they want to talk via old-fashioned radio, which can be intercepted and triangulated and could betray the planes’ locations. That would undermine the whole purpose of the F-22s radar-evading stealth design, and could pose a major problem if the Raptor and the Typhoon ever have to go to war together.'"

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  1. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't forget French and Poles. Credit where is due.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma

  2. Re:Ironic by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually most of the stuff that makes up PKI (Public Key Infrastructure) was invented at Bletchly Park (UK) during the war. Obviously Encryption has a very long history but the encryption used in the F22 is probably loosely based on a Secure PBX designed by Alan Turing.

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  3. Re:I don't think the cypher is the problem. by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    F22s can talk to each other, but it requires a special data link that is apparently top secret and cannot be given out to allied aircraft.

  4. Re:I don't think the cypher is the problem. by jacknifetoaswan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Incorrect. The F-22 and F-35 have both active and passive seekers, and they're able to determine range, altitude, and bearing with just their passive seeker.

  5. Re:I don't think the cypher is the problem. by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    precisely. its a non-story written by the same idiot at wired who constantly uses every opportunity he can to bash on the F22 and F35, while glossing over or ignoring inconvenient facts.

    I'm not saying they arent without their problems...i'm saying the writer has proven in the past he has an axe to grind, much like the that Broder guy at NYT writing about the Tesla last week.

    another thing he misses, is that most aircraft are not locked into a single design. it's entirely possible to replace the radios with other radios. you'd have to redraw some tech manuals, and maybe run some more wires. but its not unheard of and actually quite common for hardware to be updated.

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  6. Re:I don't think the cypher is the problem. by dywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Partly true.

    In order to passively seek, there has to be something to be sought.
    in other words, it only works if the other guy is actively emitting in some way.

    if the other guy is also only passively seeking, neither one can see the other.
    basic physics, engineering, logic, or whatever you want to call it.

    the only passive seeker that will always remain effective is IR band, because they kinda need the engines to fly. but its also rather short range, wont give real accurate RAB (RAB being only really relevent for BVR) and if you're that close and can pickup his tailpipes, you already know where he's at, and which way hes going.

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