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Groupon Still Losing Money, CEO Is Fired And Leaks Final Email

New submitter Inzkeeper writes with news that the CEO of Groupon met the axe today: "Groupon CEO Andrew Mason made public an email he sent to Groupon employees. He takes responsibility for the company's downturn, expresses his appreciation for his staff, and wishes them well. 'For those who are concerned about me, please don't be — I love Groupon, and I'm terribly proud of what we've created. I'm OK with having failed at this part of the journey. If Groupon was Battletoads, it would be like I made it all the way to the Terra Tubes without dying on my first ever play through.'" Despite increased revenues, they are still losing about $81 million each quarter, and Wall Street needs blood.

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  1. For those who are concerned about me by Ripp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet most stopped right there.

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    1. Re: For those who are concerned about me by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      He is the founder, and probably know a lot of people therr personally.

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    2. Re: For those who are concerned about me by multiben · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Harsh. It may be convenient to group people into nice neat categories eg. "All CEOs are terrible people with no feelings", but in reality the world is a much more varied place.

    3. Re: For those who are concerned about me by rekoil · · Score: 4, Informative

      His severance package is $378.36. not $378 thousand or $378 million, Three Hundred and Seventy Eight dollars and Thirty Six cents.

    4. Re: For those who are concerned about me by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

      He got a Groupon for a $1 million severance package for only $500,000.

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    5. Re: For those who are concerned about me by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have no idea what the CEO is like, but from the first time I saw one of their promotions, I thought this is a really bad concept, and I would not invest a bean in it.

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    6. Re: For those who are concerned about me by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He had an idea and marketed it well. Then had an IPO where he gained hundreds of millions of real dollars in real money for the phantom value of a business that didn't work. Now that he's got the money he departs with a smile having been fired rather than quit so it's not his fault if it all goes horribly awry now since it wasn't of his own volition and his story can be it might have survived if only it had followed his secret plan.

      We ought to call this one the "clean and jerk". It's becoming a standard model. Some manage to repeat the process multiple times, like AOL.

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    7. Re: For those who are concerned about me by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Harsh. It may be convenient to group people into nice neat categories eg. "All CEOs are terrible people with no feelings", but in reality the world is a much more varied place.

      Good CEOs have to put the company above their personal feelings. If they can't do this they will strangle their company to death by making terrible decisions. On some level being a terrible person is part of the job.

      I've worked in a company where the CEO could not separate his personal feelings from work duties. When the money ran out he could not cut costs anywhere, he could not even retire off staff that got to retirement age. All his so called friends got lazy and only looked out for their own interests because they knew they could get away with it. If you were there you would love a good old fashioned sociopath CEO, at least they will fire 5 people to save 50.

    8. Re: For those who are concerned about me by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have no idea what the CEO is like, but from the first time I saw one of their promotions, I thought this is a really bad concept, and I would not invest a bean in it.

      what if we give you 50% off the second bean's worth

  2. His problem is that they're too small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need to be big like Amazon to lose money like that.

    1. Re:His problem is that they're too small by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe Amazon should buy Groupon. Think of the synergies and new paradigms in losses!

    2. Re:His problem is that they're too small by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or more accurately, they are getting boned because EVERYONE has a competing service. Barrier to entry on this concept is near zero.

  3. On the other end... by zoffdino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a company that pumped the highest profit in a quarter without pumping oil. Massive cash pile, no debt. And Wall Street continues to punish it. Wall Street wants bloods.

  4. If Groupon was Battletoads by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I nominate this for nerd meme of 2013. If slashdot was battletoads. If the republican national convention was battletoads. If shopping at Wal-Mart was battletoads. And then all those of us who never played it will have to make friends with gamefaqs all over again to understand WTF everyone is talking about.

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    1. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I nominate this for nerd meme of 2013. If slashdot was battletoads. If the republican national convention was battletoads. If shopping at Wal-Mart was battletoads. And then all those of us who never played it will have to make friends with gamefaqs all over again to understand WTF everyone is talking about.

      There hasn't been a Battletoads game released since 1994 but recently Battletoads has seen reemergence on boards like 4chan and Reddit. It has been used by Anonymous to prank scientology.

      I'd imagine he could have included that in there to try to make himself look like an average guy who's in on all the jokes (not the reality). It has also been used for trolling -- perhaps he was trolling? Put up a screenshot of Battletoads and ask "Is this Battletoads?"

      And then there's also the possibility that he really likes the game, wants to see a sequel and therefore decides that he can give it a ton of publicity by mentioning it in his farewell e-mail.

      Who knows or cares at this point?

      I found this hilarious from the article:

      In addition, Mason also has support on the eight-member board — director and former AOL exec Ted Leonsis has always been a key mentor to him, for example.

      What is this? Game of Thrones?

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    2. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that 'being CEO of a company built on skimming a percentage of the profits from businesses willing to lose money and make it up in volume' is epic trolling on a scale that most trolls will never even be able to dream of...

    3. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by guttentag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Groupon was Battletoads, it would be short-lived, fictitious, and not popular with today's consumers. Maybe Groupon is Battletoads.

    4. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by guttentag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to work with someone who was close to Ted Leonsis. Ted's great infamous achievement is that he came up with the idea of blanketing the country in AOL disks. He made a lot of money at AOL and then got into buying DC-area sports teams. The media often liked to hold him up as a tech sector golden boy, but I can assure you that being close to Ted Leonsis is no guarantee of success. If anything, I find it interesting that Groupon's CEO was "mentored" by Ted, because I always thought the way Groupon advertised their coupon service was as strangely pervasive as AOL disks were. Put out enough and you're bound to get some return.

    5. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      And much like Battletoads Groupon seemed really cool at first, only to get frustratingly difficult very quickly to the point that most people just gave up.

    6. Re:If Groupon was Battletoads by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The analogy between Battletoads and Groupon goes even deeper. Just as Battletoads had an infamous bug that prevented Player 2 from completing Level 11 (they would just sit motionless until they lost all their lives), Groupon looks like in the near future it will be stuck in Chapter 11.

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  5. They should have taken the $6B from Google by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 4, Insightful

    2 years ago Google offered $5B to $6B to buy Groupon. Groupon turned them down and today their market cap is $3B. Oops.

    1. Re:They should have taken the $6B from Google by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure that's really what happened. I'll bet it's more like Google looked at their books, said "WTF???" and let Groupon "back away" from the deal to save face.

    2. Re:They should have taken the $6B from Google by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not sure that's really what happened. I'll bet it's more like Google looked at their books, said "WTF???" and let Groupon "back away" from the deal to save face.

      That's a very real possibility. Another possibility is that Andrew Mason really did turn down Google's offer because he knew it would kill his scam. Google isn't just going to walk in and hand them a check for $6 Billion. There's a lot of "due diligence".

      Groupon was cooking the books, losing money but showing profitability. Mason was probably worried that if word got out that Google killed the deal because of what they found, Groupon would be tainted and that could put a serious damper on their IPO.

      Don't cry for Andrew Mason, the fired CEO. Thanks to Groupon's IPO he leaves a pretty wealthy guy. Which is what this was really all about all along.

  6. Funny, but I am reminded of the old joke... by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always hated him, but I'll go to his funeral just to make sure he's really dead.

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    1. Re:Funny, but I am reminded of the old joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know anything about him, but it was the best CEO firing letter ever.

      After four and a half intense and wonderful years as CEO of Groupon, I've decided that I'd like to spend more time with my family. Just kidding - I was fired today. If you're wondering why... you haven't been paying attention.

      and

      For those who are concerned about me, please don't be - I love Groupon, and I'm terribly proud of what we've created. I'm OK with having failed at this part of the journey. If Groupon was Battletoads, it would be like I made it all the way to the Terra Tubes without dying on my first ever play through. I am so lucky to have had the opportunity to take the company this far with all of you. I'll now take some time to decompress (FYI I'm looking for a good fat camp to lose my Groupon 40, if anyone has a suggestion), and then maybe I'll figure out how to channel this experience into something productive.

      I'm sure he made plenty of cash and now is a good time to get the hell away from GroupOn, toxic as it is.

  7. Re:Soooooo by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, they could probably stand to make a lot of money if they weren't quite so predatory. I think that for the most part, the people who bought the groupons were quite happy. However, the businesses who offered the groupons often got shafted. I'm sure they could easily change the way they they deal with businesses to make sure they have a much better experience. For instance, most of the time they push for no limits on the number of coupons sold. Instead, there should always be a limit, because most businesses aren't set up to handle the amount of business that Groupon could send to them. Groupon would still make money off the deal, and would probably even have some repeat business.

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  8. Battletoads? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now own up, who googled Battletoads?

  9. Yes! by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's see, a company who cons small business into bad decisions by taking advantage of their inability to quickly do an ROI and assess risk, is themselves falling ill to their unmitigated growth and overhead.

    How much could it cost to run a company that just sells coupons?

  10. Re:Soooooo by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. does this mean that everybody's caught on to their predatory business model?

    It's worse than that: Not only is their business model predatory, it has a low first-mover advantage and minimal barriers to entry(and to the degree that the barriers are there, other people are way beyond them).

    There is nothing stopping a bevy of more-or-less-exact imitators ('livesocial' and friends); but there is also nothing stopping the people who already issue the consumer's credit card and the small businesses' hosted-payroll service from spinning something ('Bank Amerideals(tm)').

    Groupon was doubly screwed: not only are they vultures who are ultimately bad for the people they depend on to offer further offers, they are less efficient and well placed vultures than those who are already well entrenched. Bank of America, or any other major financial institution/credit card issuer, aren't creative enough to know their asses from a hole in the ground; but they are trivially better placed than groupon to skim a few extra percentage points from the transactions they already skim a few percentage points from.

  11. Re:Battletoads? by Binestar · · Score: 4, Informative

    No one with a 5 digit UID I can assure you that.

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