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Steam For Linux: A Respectable Showing
An anonymous reader writes "Valve has just released its February, 2013 Steam Hardware & Software Survey, and the results are absolutely mind blowing. Linux is now standing strong as a legitimate gaming platform. It now represents 2.02% of all active Steam users."
That's in keeping with what new submitter lars_doucet found. Lars writes: "I'm an independent game developer lucky enough to be on Steam. Recently, the Steam Linux client officially went public and was accompanied by a site-wide sale. The Linux sale featured every single Linux-compatible game on the service, including our cross-platform game Defender's Quest. .... Bottom line: during the sale we saw nearly 3 times as many Linux sales of the game as Mac (Windows still dominated overall)."
Interesting... it took a game distribution platform to convince people that Linux is a viable gaming platform. Isn't it ironic?
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Not a bad showing for Linux, all things considered. The top variant of Linux is nearly tied with Windows 8.
That's not bad at all. Is Microsoft shaking in their boots? Not really. Are they watching carefully? You get your ass. Is this an opportunity to upend the horrorshow that is Windows 8? I hope so.
Is answering your own questions a bit douchy? Perhaps.
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Yes 2% share in a few weeks VS a gigantic company that has thrown billions into advertising.
Linux is only free if your time has no value. Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
Right now it's brand new and much-hyped, we could easily be dealing with a case of regression to the mean.
Let's see how the numbers looks 6 months down the road.
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While there's certainly some indie games, games like Counter-Strike (standard and Source), Half-Life, and Team Fortress 2 are available and are quite popular. Not bad for starting out for a new platform. I'm sure that'll increase in time.
You buy the indie bundle... humble bundles for example and you are entitled to a DRM free copy. Awesome.
You use the steam key anyway because its as easy as using any other linux package manager. You select what you want, you click play and a few minutes later your playing. You switch to your laptop up stairs, launch steam, click what you want ... and start playing.
The DRM free direct downloads are great in the event steam fails or is down or something. But honestly, for all that I dislike about steam, it is easy to use. I use GoG a lot too, but find myself wishing that I could download and install those games via steam as well. Its just nice not to have all the clutter of manual downloads, manual patches, expansion packs, etc.
Ever hear of growth? You have to start somewhere. I'd say it's not bad. Just give it time, you're passing judgment too soon.
And the requirement for joining Mensa is that you belong to the top 2% of the population, rated by IQ. Coincidence? I think not!
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Yes more people use Windows, but when XP and 7 finally have their support ended, the people using those Microsoft platforms will be forced into using precisely what they are avoiding, the 'modern' interface. It's going to be interesting to watch if they move to Mac, Linux or suck up to Microsoft and push themselves into that new UI.
Let's say they pushed themselves into that new UI. Now after months and years of using that, they will be hooked into it by Microsoft's hooks. At that point, switching to Mac or Linux would be extremely difficult due to the UI differences. It would be devastating for the future of Linux without a similar UI, that's what worries me. For Linux to have any future, the users of these OS's which support is ending, need to jump in our (Linux) lake and let their feet get wet.
That's how I'm thinking, it may be difficult for some to understand what I mean. In any case, Defender's Quest shows that there is money in the Platform. And I don't give a hoot what Microsoft is doing, I have already jumped in the Linux lake and no interest in going back again. But there are a lot of folks that, apparently, enjoy being chained up and forced to do things. You can't save the world, so grab whoever you can, unchain them, and run as fast as you can before the roof caves in.
When you buy a game on Steam, you get access to it in all available Steam formats. That means that for people who may use OSX, Linux, and Windows (as I do, for example) may not necessarily count as a "linux" sale, even though I'll play some of the purchased games there.
Companies won't port games unless they see enough potential customers, and they have traditionally made the assumption that there are very few linux game players and that the few there are would just dual boot to play games anyway.
If enough people buy the linux games available on steam, then you will get more being made, and you will also see developers creating their initial games with portability in mind (eg using opengl instead of directx etc) to decrease the cost of porting.
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Bing market share = failure. Linux 2% = Victory.
5% of the market leader is a failure, 2% for the market trailer is a success.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Proves that more intelligent people are gamers... as more computer illiterate people use Mac than linux.
Almost ever single OSX users who is someone who rejected a platform where gaming is great (Windows) to move to a platform where gaming was so/so. Given the capacities are not hugely different and price leans higher that means that anyone who picked OSX over Windows probably doesn't game much. Moreover the Apple crowd in general has been aging and I suspect Steam type gaming is much more popular ages 10-30 than ages 30-50.
In the case of Linux the capacities are hugely different. The more advanced Linux window managers have no Windows or OSX equivalents. There are no GUI desktop environments with the level of configurability of KDE for Windows or OSX. Many of the applications for Linux have no equivalents, though they have competitors which are vastly more expensive. ETC...
I think it is not unreasonable you are looking at two very different populations.
A respectable showing? The steam client may be the greatest thing ever but there isn't even a single current AAA title available. Not one. The biggest game they've got is half-life 1. It was released in 1998. 15 years ago. That's something we should be getting from gog.com. This looks to me like a token effort in order to get some cheap advertising on Linux friendly sites such as Slashdot.
News flash, that game's so old it probably plays perfectly in wine anyway. When steam for Linux starts getting AAA titles within a few weeks of the windows release then they will have something worth talking about.
Firstly, I'd wager that the effort Valve has put in to Linux support is pretty much 2% of their total. The way they seem to work is to undertake a lot of different things, most of which aren't wildly profitable.
Secondly: games on linux is a chicken-and-egg thing. I use *ux daily for work, but my home desktop has been a windows machine forever, because I sometimes want to play games. Most (but not all) of the games I play are Valve titles, so being able to play them on ux makes it more likely I'd give linux on the desktop a serious try, or recommend it to a friend, than before. If they can bring more big developers to the platform (either through improving emulation, or by leveraging the upcoming "steambox" to encourage developers to make their games compatible), then Linux on the desktop becomes a viable choice for home computers for a lot of people that it just isn't at the moment, and then selling games to Linux users becomes more profitable in a spiral of awesomeness.
Every publisher seems to have their own Steam-like service, and the threat of Xbox Live, Windows8 Marketplace and Win8 phones actually interoperating to give one Steam-like system across the PC, pocket and living room is obviously a huge threat. As we've seen time and again, if you're beholden to Microsoft for your business, then you won't be in business for long, so they are pushing an alternate platform through a number of avenues and initiatives to make sure that they have a Plan B for when MS decides that they want to be the sole gatekeeper for the entire Windows games market.
If this article had been on neowin and had praised Microsoft's new OS for breaking through on a gaming distribution platform after a lot of marketing effort from the distributor including an opening sales and had managed 2% share, Slashdotters would have been cackling and calling it hype.
What the TFA is is hype and wishful thinking. Linux has an enormous long way to go before its even considered worth porting to as part of current game development.
Its a start, but no more than that.
Those of us who are old enough can remember lots of dawns in the IT industry - most of them false.
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Sooo let me get this straight...you installed an OS that came out FIVE YEARS before the hardware was made...and are bitching it didn't have a driver? Really? I doubt Win95 would have drivers for that new Core 2 Duo which just proves Linux is the best evar!
Do you see ANY B&M stores carry your product? No. Do you see any small shops like mine carry your product? No. Well why? We don't get ANY breaks on Windows pricing so by carrying your product we could raise our profits by a good 40% or undercut the competition, so why?
Again I DARE you to take the Hairyfeet challenge. take ANY distro that comes out on what Linux considers a normal release schedule, which seems to be 6 months to a year and a half (No LTS because Canonical has abandoned it for a rolling release), now download the one from 5 years ago (Again I'm rigging the test IN YOUR FAVOR by making your product only support HALF the length of Windows support) and then update to current using ONLY the GUI, as a normal user would. Go ahead, I'll wait...what was that? Your drivers broke? Well there you go friend, now you see the problem.
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I have actually used it since the beta invite popped into my inbox. For those of you who havn't tried it here is a short summary:
I run Arch Linux, which is not supported. Valve only supports Ubuntu and provides the software as a .deb file which contains the "bootstrapper", basically a "netinstall" version if you were to make a comparision to the average Linux distro. The bootstrapper is easily taken apart via a script in the custom installer program that some of the Arch Linux folks whipped up and ends up installed system-wide by default.
This caused some problems for people like me, who are too paranoid to install untrusted software system-wide or even in my own home directory. I gave it a separate user account and denied the installer root access (which it asked for every time it tried to auto-update). It cried and bugged out, but you could run TF2 from day one. As they continued to improve the software they actually listened to the complaints at github (where they keep their Linux issue tracker) and made the software runnable as a regular user. It now resides completely inside my 'steam' users directory and the bootstrapper is long gone from the system-wide install.
If you are like me, and only run ALSA, hating PulseAudio's tentacle guts, you can actually run Steam anyway. They are using SDL as the backend, so when launching Steam you just export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa before running it, and you'll get sound! Even in-game voice is operational, but you still can't permanently disable it to get rid of all the jackasses screaming into the microphones.
Steam itself still uses the look from it's Windows roots, the ugly custom-skinned UI. And it can't be resized on my machine, which runs PekWM. It is also slow as molasses to start, and so is TF2. That might be in part to me using ONLY a 3G modem for my gaming though. The store also works like a charm.
An interesting feature is that you can actually switch between the OpenGL game window and the rest of your desktops seamlessly, with no apparent bugs or performance loss. Faster and more painless than on Windows. This wasn't always the case though, as early versions would switch to your desktop as soon as you got an archievement and completely screw up your mouse input once you switched back. This has been long since fixed though.
The only recent bug I came across was an apparent lack of support for multi-user environments, where I once started the bootstrapper as my regular user by mistake and let it install, thinking it was an regular update. Once it was up I figured what was wrong, uninstalling it and starting up as the 'steam' user, whereas it sefaulted hard. It took several hours and a lot of support ticket reading to figure out that leftover temporary file descriptors left from the first session screwed up the second one. Kinda stupid bug for a modern software, but that's what beta testing is for I suppose.
For me, Valve has really made my Linux experience a lot better. Hat's off to them. Now I just need to find some TF2 servers with players that are as beligerent and offensive as me!
I've been a system builder for more than 20 years, building on average 3 boxes a week and probably fixing a dozen more, know how many times I've seen Windows update break a driver since XP came out? TWICE, that's it, that's all. The first was a cheapo capture card by some fly by night company that was here today gone later today that wouldn't run on anything except XP RTM for some reason and the second was a K-World super cheapo wireless card that would crap itself if you looked at it funny, it didn't like Vista SP1 but considering I had to use the XP driver because the company seems to abandon products after 6 months I don't know how one could blame Windows for that one.
Again put your money where your mouth is, I DARE you to prove me wrong. Take The Hairyfeet challenge, film it from start to stop with NO breaks (so we know you aren't hunting forums for fixes when the camera is off) and post your video to any of the bazillion sites that will let you. Go ahead and prove me wrong why don't you? You won't and the reason is because you CAN NOT DO IT because in over a dozen tries with different distros and the most boring hardware I could find Linux shit itself and died before 5 years, half the time Windows gets support, of updates could be applied! How fucking sad is it you see in Linux forum after forum the advice to "install clean" for every God damned update, that is the kind of shit Win98 users had to do and you call THAT progress?
if you can't even supply a fucking lousy 5 years worth of updates, when the average low end system has multiple cores and oodles of RAM and thus can be counted on to easily last 6 to 8 years WTF makes you think your product is ready for the masses? You think Grandma is secretly a bash programmer? Sally the secretary has a spare box running Windows to Google for fixes when the Linux one craps all over the wireless?
At the end of the day I want Linux to succeed I really really do. I think Win 8 is an abomination that should be recalled and I think MSFT treats us system builders like dogshit so if anybody wants Linux to be ready its me but I'm not gonna lie and delude myself into pretending that a system shitting on drivers every. damned. time. you update the stupid thing is acceptable, because its not. And frankly Linux users should be ashamed of letting the devs get away with it!
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Know what is fucking sad? That you consider that acceptable, that is fucking sad. So here you are ADMITTING that your drivers are only good for 2 years MAX, is that correct? With the average lifespan of a modern PC being 5-8 years, did I read you right?
Until a manufacturer can release a product with a driver on the disc and know that driver will work for the lifetime of the product? I'm sorry but your OS isn't ready for the masses, its not. And tell me friend, what makes you think Linux Toravlds is smarter than the devs of BSD, Solaris, OSX and iOS, Windows, and even OS/2? because they ALL HAVE A DRIVER ABI and Linux does not. I'm sorry but when that many development teams go left and you go right its not "cool" or trendy, its you being an arrogant ass just for the sake of it. Linus, like too many of the devs, don't give a shit how much pain he causes the end users as long as it "Works for me (TM)" and it is THAT kind of attitude that has left Linux flatline.
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Before you know it, you'll be playing Left4Dead on your phone. There's a HUGE untapped market there.
My phone left me for dead long ago.
Dude. I've been running Linux for years without wiping the computer. My desktop has been a steady upgrade cycle from Ubuntu 8.04. I recently upgraded from 12.04 to 12.12 with absolutely zero trouble.
Years ago, sure. Somewhere around Ubuntu 6.4 I had a heck of a time running upgrades. Let's not even consider early SuSE variants, or RedHat in the days of 4.x. For the past five years, however, every computer I run has upgraded flawlessly every time.
I run Linux on all my computers, both desktop and laptop. The company I work for runs Linux on all the servers, all the development machines, and recently switched their customer care group from XP to Linux with an XP-like theme.
None of us have the kind of bitter experience that you are describing. I think your vitriol is rather outdated.
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