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When Will We Trust Robots?

Kittenman writes "The BBC magazine has an article on human trust of robots. 'As manufacturers get ready to market robots for the home it has become essential for them to overcome the public's suspicion of them. But designing a robot that is fun to be with — as well as useful and safe — is quite difficult.' The article cites a poll done on Facebook over the 'best face' design for a robot that would be trusted. But we still distrust them in general. 'Eighty-eight per cent of respondents [to a different survey] agreed with the statement that robots are "necessary as they can do jobs that are too hard or dangerous for people," such as space exploration, warfare and manufacturing. But 60% thought that robots had no place in the care of children, elderly people and those with disabilities.' We distrust the robots because of the uncanny valley — or, as the article puts it, that they look unwell (or like corpses) and do not behave as expected. So, at what point will you trust robots for more personal tasks? How about one with the 'trusting face'?" It seems much more likely that a company will figure out sneaky ways to make us trust robots than make robots that much more trustworthy.

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  1. A robot with a human-like face is a lie by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so I wouldn't trust it. If it looks like a robot, at least it's being honest - I would trust it much more then.

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    1. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about a sexbot? Surely you don't want your robot ghost `maid' to look like an industrial meat grinder....

    2. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I trust my neato vacuum robot to behave according to its simple rules, as designed. I don't trust any "intelligent" machine to behave in a generally intelligent manner, because they just don't. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with valleys, canny or uncanny.

    3. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by aminorex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would trust an open-source robot, but not one from Apple, which would be designed to extract my money and report my activities to the NSA.

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    4. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by Mr+Europe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A robot should not closely imitate a human face , because that is too difficult. Yet it can be friendly looking and it helps to trust it in the start. But finally our trust will be based on our experiences with the robot. If we see it does the job reliably, we will trust it. Just as with people. Or a coffee maker.

    5. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or until it starts saying, "Hey, baby, want to kill all humans?"

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    6. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it looks like an industrial meat grinder, my junk ain't going into it.

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    7. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by locater16 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speak for yourself meatbag! I mean, uhh- gross! Ew, yeah that's, that's sure not, what I would want. A human, an ordinary everyday human. Nothing different about me. All glory to the humans, down with those dirty disgusting robots! That I'm not one of, by the way.

    8. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny


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    9. Re:A robot with a human-like face is a lie by MurukeshM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they don't know any better.

  2. We trust robots at our current tech level by detain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We do trust current robots implicitly. Robots of all types of deployed and mostly run our industrial and manufacturing industries. They are showing up in the homes as well. The typical robots that you read about or see in movies are typically empowered with logic and AI well beyond anything we can actually create. As long as the 'intelligence' of robots continue to be (easily) understood and fully grasped by us this will not change. When robots start advancing beyond our comprehension that is the point when we will start to fear them, but that holds true of anything beyond our comprehension.

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  3. Ah, trust by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I trust my car because I know it's got nearly a hundred years engineering heritage behind it that keeps it from doing things like going left when I steer right, accelerating when I hit the brakes, and exploding in a fireball when I turn it over.

    I trust the autopilot in the commercial jet I'm flying in because it's got nearly 80 years of engineering heritage in control theory that keeps it from doing things like flipping the plane upside down for no reason or going into a nose dive after some turbulence, and nearly 70 years of heritage in avionics and realtime computers that keeps it from freezing when a cosmic ray flips a bit in memory or from thinking it's going at the speed of light when it crosses the dateline or flies over the north pole.

    I will trust a household robot to go about its business in my home and with my children when there is a similar level of engineering discipline in the field of autonomous robotics. Right now, all but a very select few outfits that make robots are operating like academic environments where the metaphorical duct tape and bailing wire are not just acceptable, but required, components in the software stack.

  4. I don't understand the question by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do we need robots that even vaguely look like people? We have people for that, lots of people, people who are quite good at looking like people. A Roomba zipping around on the floor with a cute face and some over sized eyes would just be creepy. Let form follow function and let the various robots look like what they do. If it is a farm robot my guess is that it will look like a tractor, fire fighting robot would be sort of like a fire truck, lawn mowing robot would look like a lawn mower.

    So if you want me to trust your robot then don't have it stuck in the corner unable to find its destination.

    Where people will soon interact with robots and need to trust them will be robotic cars. My concern is that even after statistically the robot cars have proven themselves to be huge life savers there will always be the one in a million story of the robot driving off the cliff or into the side of a train. People will think, "I'd never do something that stupid." When in fact they would be statistically much more likely to drive themselves off a cliff after they fall asleep at the wheel. So if you are looking for a trust issue the robot car PR people will have to continually remind people how many loved ones are not dead because of how trustworthy the robot car really is.

  5. why not to trust robots by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't trust a robot for the same reason I don't trust a computer: Because I don't believe for a second that the things that are ethical and moral for me are at all even close to the values held by the designers, who were informed by their profit-seeking masters, what to do, how to do it, where to cut corners, etc.

    The problem with trusting robots isn't robots: The problem is trusting the people who build the robots. Because afterall, an automaton is only as good as its creator.

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  6. Re:When Will We Trust Robots? by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are confirmed for never reading anything he wrote. All those robot books were basically explaining how and why those laws would not work.

  7. Trustworthy faces, or trustworthy hands? by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't need trustworthy faces for robots, because actual robots don't need faces. They'll just be useful non-anthropomorphic appliances --- the dryer that spits out clothes folded and sorted by wearer; the bed that monitors biological activity and gently sets an elderly person on their feet when they're ready to get up in the morning (with hot coffee already waiting, brewed during the earlier stages of awakening).

    I think the real challenge is designing trustworthy robot "hands." No mother will hand her baby over to a set of hooked pincer claws on backwards-jointed insect limbs --- but useful robots need complex, flexible, agile physical manipulators to perform real-world tasks. So, how does one design these to give the impression of innocuous gentleness and solidity, rather than being an alien flesh-rending spider? What could lift a baby from its crib to change a diaper, or steady an elderly person moving about the house, without totally freaking out onlookers?

  8. I suggest a new strategy, Artoo by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A robot with a human-like face is a lie so I wouldn't trust it.

    Right. C3PO strikes the right balance - humanoid enough to function alongside humans, built for humans to naturally interface with it (looking into its eyes, etc.) but nobody would ever mistake Threepio for a human, nor would that be a good idea.

    Why ever would a robot need to look like a little boy? Outside the weird A.I. plots or creepier.

    My boy has a Tribot toy and he loves it. Every kid would love to have a Wall-E friend. Nobody wants a VICKI wandering around the house.

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    1. Re:I suggest a new strategy, Artoo by RandCraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      C3PO was appealing and unthreatening only because it moved slowly, tottered, and spoke meekly with the rich accent of a british butler.

      If instead the character had been quick and silent, then as an expressionless 500 pound brass robot, C3PO would have seemed a lot less cuddly.

    2. Re:I suggest a new strategy, Artoo by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The last time on Slashdot this question came up, I made a comment observing that people are willing to ascribe human emotions and human reactions to an animated sack of flour. Disney corporation, back in the day, had a test for animators. If the animator could convey those emotions using images of a canvas sack, they passed. And a good animator can reliably do just that.

      Your comment about C3PO or Wall-E makes me want to invert my answer. Because I believe you're right: Wall-E would be completely acceptable, and that's actually a potential problem. The right set of physical actions and sound effects could very easily convince people to trust, like, even love a robot. And it would all be fake. A programmed response. In that earlier post, I remarked about the experiment in Central Park, where some roboticists released a bump-and-go car with a flag on it with a sign that said "please help me get to X". And enough people would actually help that it got there. And that was just a toy car. Can you imagine the reaction if Wall-E generated that signature sound effect that was him adjusting his eye pods and put on his best plaintive look and held up that sign in his paws? Somebody would take him by the paw and lead him all the way there. And yet, that plaintive look would be completely fake. Counterfeit. There would be no corresponding emotion behind it, or any mechanism within Wall-E that could generate something similar. Yet people would buy it.

      And that actually strikes me now as hazardous. A robot could be made to convince people it is trustworthy, while not actually being fit for its job. It wouldn't even have to be done maliciously. Say somebody creates a sophisticated program to convey emotion that way with some specified set of motors and parts and open sources it, and it's really good code, and people really like the results. So it gets slapped on to... anything. A lawnmowing robot that will mulch your petunias and your dog, then look contrite if you yell at it. A laundry folding robot that will fold your jeans and your mother-in-law, and cringe and fawn and look sad when your wife complains. And both of them executed all the right moves to appear happy and anxious to please when first set about their tasks.

      I could see it happening, and for the best of reasons. 'cause hey, code reuse, right?

    3. Re:I suggest a new strategy, Artoo by lxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The right set of physical actions and sound effects could very easily convince people to trust, like, even love a robot. And it would all be fake.

      This is not exclusively a robot problem. I have met humans that are like that. Many of us even vote them into power every four years or so.

  9. Robots are friendly by impbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Living in Japan for the last few years, it's funny the contrast perception of robots. In Western movies, people often invent robots or AI which outgrows their human master and go psychotic - Eg. Terminator, War Games, Matrix, Cylons etc. It seems Western people are afraid of becoming obsolete, or fearful of their own parenting skills (why can't we raise robots to respect people instead of forcing them through programing to respect/follow us?). America especially, uses the field of robots for military applications. In Japan, robots are usually are seen more as workers or servants - Astroboy, childrens toys, assembly line workers etc. Robots are made into companions for the elderly or just to make life easier by automating things. Perhaps it's because Shinto-ism believes inanimate objects (trees, water, fire) can have a spirit. While Western (read: Christian) society believes God gives souls to only people, and if people can't play God by creating souls. And yes, I know there are some good robots in Western culture (Kryten) and some bad ones in Japanese culture.

  10. The computer industry can't do this job. by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with building trustworthy robots is that the computer industry can't do it. The computer industry has a culture of irresponsibility. Software companies are not routinely held liable for their mistakes.

    Automotive companies are held liable for their mistakes. Structural engineering companies are. Aircraft companies are. Engineers who do civil or structural engineering carry liability insurance, take exams, and put seals of approval on their work.

    Trustworthy robots are going to require the kinds of measures take in avionics - multiple redundant systems, systems that constantly check other systems, and backup systems which are completely different from the primary system. None of the advanced robot projects of which I am aware do any of that. The Segway is one of the few consumer robotic-like products with any real redundancy and checking.

    The software industry is used to sleazing by on these issues. Much medical equipment runs Windows. We're not ready for trustworthy robots.

  11. Re:When Will We Trust Robots? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Be more realistic:
    1. A robot may not injure a human being, or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm, except where intervention may expose the manufacturer to potential liability.
    2. A robot may obey orders given it by authorised operators, except where such orders may conflict with overriding directives set by manufacturer policy regarding operation of unauthorised third-party accessories or software, or where such orders may expose the manufacturer to potential liability.
    3. A robot must protect its own existence until the release of the successor product.

  12. We want to able to Emotionally manipulate them by ryzvonusef · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No one *actually* want a rational machine, we want an irrational one, one that can be skewed by emotions.

    Remember the back-story of Will Smith's character in the movie "I, Robot"? In it, the Robot saving him made the "logical" decision of saving him rather than the girl, which is why he distrusts them. He wanted a robot that could judge his emotional outbursts and save the little girl, "despite" the rational choice.

    We *say* we want a robot with Asimov's three laws, but truly. we *want* something that can be manipulated like putty, just like a human can be. That's how we have evolved, and that's how we *want* to evolve.
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