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Ask Slashdot: Dealing With Flagged Channels For XBMC PVR?

AlphaWolf_HK writes "I own an HDHomeRun Prime tuner, and unfortunately I live in an area where the cable provider (Cox) blanket flags all channels to be copy restricted. I'm tired of using Windows Media Center due to bugs and other problems, but since the channels are flagged it is the only option. Satellite is of course not an option at all (no cablecard or similar standard.) I've already begun moving most of my content watching to XBMC in the form of using sickbeard and couchpotato, both of which do an amazing job even with torrents now that Usenet has been getting hit pretty hard. To match this, I've already dropped my cable tier to the lowest possible for some basic digital channels that people in my household still watch and aren't available over torrents. But ideally I'd like to cut the cord completely as the service is otherwise useless. Are there any options for obtaining this content without physically moving to Comcast territory where they don't do this? Or perhaps any workarounds for the CCI flag? Ideally, anything that allows XBMC with digital content and no transcoding."

328 comments

  1. Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Thanks for contributing to the death of the platform you are trying to use.

    1. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Stop buying chips and you find you aren't filling between meals on mindless munching, with long-term negative nutritional effects.

      Television is like Chips.

      You use it largely to fill time, on the promise that it's almost what you wanted to see.

      Stop watching TV, and often you are missing only reminders of things you enjoy - not those things, themselves.

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    2. Re:Rule #1 by SeNtM · · Score: 1

      Rule #1: Don't talk about CCI bit.

      Rule #2: Don't talk about CCI bit.

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    3. Re:Rule #1 by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks for that post. What would we do without you?

    4. Re:Rule #1 by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're right. I taught everyone in the house how to use torrents. Now we only watch what we want when we want. Haven't had TV service in over 5 years, went from xbmc to roku and plex with torrents, Netflix, and basic Hulu. It's not bad at all, everyone does this anyway with DVR, recording everything and watching it later. I am considering a Android PC for a good all-in-one solution.

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    5. Re:Rule #1 by operagost · · Score: 2

      I'm sure that, every time you go on vacation, it's exactly what you'd wanted to experience.

      I'm sure that, every time you go to the store, you're able to buy exactly what you wanted to buy.

      I'm sure that, every time you go to a movie or a play, it's exactly what you'd hoped it would be.

      And I'm sure that, every time you go to sleep, your dreams are totally awesome because of the hard psychoactive drugs you're on.

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    6. Re:Rule #1 by thelovebus · · Score: 2

      You know what? You're right! I should stop watching Top Gear and start driving million-dollar super cars myself! I don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier!

    7. Re:Rule #1 by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Low expectations are the death of the free market.

      They're the death of liberty in general.

      You must be one really sad little sheep.

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    8. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      OK, smartypants. YOU explain "A Mexican Dad", "How I Schtupped Your Mother", "Big Brain Theory" or every pawnshop-owning, chopper-building, barn-raiding, cousin-with-benefits cracker on History, Discovery and Tru.

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    9. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can someone moderate this idiot as off topic flamebait?

      If you personally dislike TV, that's your business. Other people like TV. We like shows like "How they make that".

      You are like an idiot that hears how the 1997 NY city phone book was the most popular book ever published, reads it, then complains that all books are stupid.

      Stop telling other people what to enjoy, and live your own life.

    10. Re:Rule #1 by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      I don't think you have to be on drugs to know that there is no reason to watch TV on a network as opposed to IPTV or downloading the shows. If it's broadcast on public TV who even gives a shit if someone has a problem with daring to get it in the format of your choosing without commercials?

      it's 2013, not 1990, gost.

    11. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spectator sports...

      (i.e. things you can't or don't want to do, but enjoy watching others do)

    12. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Uhhh...torrents are going to die because of me?

      Wow I didn't realize there was such an easy point of failure, looks like me and slashdot managed to do what the RIAA and MPAA never could do.

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    13. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and this is where sickbeard and couchpotato come in. They make the torrent process transparent. Just add your content and it shows up later.

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    14. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      All my kids have ever known is "grey market" streaming and Netflix/Amazon. They are almost 15.

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    15. Re:Rule #1 by Hatta · · Score: 1

      What else would I do with the hour and a half when I'm done thinking but not yet tired enough to go to sleep? Before the industrial revolution, all that time was filled with chores. But labor saving technology has given me more free time than I have mental energy to be productive with. TV fills this spot nicely.

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    16. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. Instead of watching Breaking Bad, become a drug king pin. Clearly that's what you really want to do. Stop being a pussy.

    17. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Well it's not just me that watches TV.

      I myself have already stopped watching cable entirely several months ago. Other people in my house still watch e.g. CNN and Fox news, things that can't be torrented, but they noticed the means in which I get all of my content (via XBMC) and always ask if they can watch my shows. So, over time I have put XBMC setups in all five rooms streaming off of my NAS, but there's still that one nagging problem. The editor has done just what the name implies and removed a lot of important content from my submission (for brevity? who knows) where I explain this.

      I'm going to have to put you in your place for a second here though. You sound just like one of those annoying politicians who basically say "I don't do X and I turned out fine, so neither should you." Therefore they want to ban violent video games, pornography, guns, salt, and basically every other vice that most people have and enjoy, but don't talk about. And then in the process of shaming you out of the things that you enjoy but they don't, they feel smug and self righteous. That's you. How about this: Instead of judging what other people do, why not shut the fuck up and get a life of your own?

      Just consider it at least. Thank you.

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    18. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He meant Usenet. Just because a few indexers have been taken out doesn't mean it's dead (far from it), but we don't want it to get too much attention.

    19. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      Do you remember good, locally broadcast evening and late-night television?

      It existed, before the Reagan-era FCC "de-regulated" commercial message restrictions, and replaced programing and films with the Infomercial.

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    20. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      Sure. I am rhetorically strong, but not actually doctrinary.

      I certainly don't advocate banning ANYTHING - but reserve the right to ridicule the inane and parochial.

      You, however, seem to have no problem in inviting publiccomment on a topic, then barking STFU when an opinion deviates from your expectation.

      My XBMC is filled with weird Italian movies and episodes of "The Prisoner". I stream BBC, RT, AJEnglish, PressTV - assured that all are biased - and shun CIANN. Am I fringe? Yes. But as I see it, "Garbage in, Garbage out."

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    21. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      Breaking Bad. Such an apt description. :-)

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    22. Re:Rule #1 by detritus. · · Score: 1

      Letting them watch cable television is abuse. Watching some good documentaries and educational programming might actually get them out enjoying life but actually enriching it. But hey, if you want your kid to be fat redneck loudmouths who hawk over storage containers and pawning the desperate, so be it. I for one, welcome a Jeremiah Cornelius content network.

    23. Re:Rule #1 by Intropy · · Score: 1

      Hey now. "The Prisoner" isn't garbage.

    24. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Well.

      I will assume you are NOT an idiot, and understand that I am that guy.

      Not sure where you interpolate "child abuse" - that must be your own inner-demon speaking. Children were not even mentioned, in any context.

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    25. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      QED

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    26. Re:Rule #1 by Bigby · · Score: 4, Informative

      You must not watch sports...which is fine. But your whole strategy blows up for half the population that sees the primary purpose of a TV being for sports.

    27. Re:Rule #1 by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Not to say anything about TV being "child abuse". But in one post you say:

      All my kids have ever known is "grey market" streaming and Netflix/Amazon. They are almost 15.

      Then you say:

      Children were not even mentioned, in any context.

      I think the problem is obvious...

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    28. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I spent my last mod point modding the GP down when I should have modded you up.

    29. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I didn't say you wanted to ban anything; I said you sound like a politician. Politicians are little men until they get near a crowd, at which time they hop on the nearest high horse and try to get everyone's attention by spouting off their virtues.

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    30. Re:Rule #1 by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      That was a specific response, to another comment in the thread. Context, dear Slip, old boy, is context.

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    31. Re:Rule #1 by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      That's funny, but this naturally and frequently arises in casual conversations because most people do watch TV and many TV watchers insist on making this a prime topic of discussion.

      "Remember the episode of ______________ where _________ , __________?"

      Is it more polite to say "No, I don't own/watch TV" or to say "No, and please don't tell me about it because I don't know the characters and don't want to listen while you explain the entire premise and context of the show before getting to the point you're trying to make."

      I've never watched an episode of "Seinfeld" but people have mentioned it to me innumerable times. When I don't "get it" they often seem to have this desire to explain all of the personalities involved so I will possess the requisite knowledge to understand the humor in what they are telling me. I know more about "Kramer"(sp?) than I ever wanted to just from having these chats.

      IMO, the reason people get annoyed when you tell them that you don't own or watch TV is that on some level, they also realize that it's wasting their time and polluting their brain.

    32. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      TFS was edited after I submitted it, but I think it's still apparent that I don't use usenet.

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    33. Re:Rule #1 by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      There's no family involved here. Household yeah, but no family. They're all adults.

      The concern for financial ruin doesn't apply in any case.

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    34. Re:Rule #1 by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 2

      Well you are half right.

    35. Re:Rule #1 by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 2

      A book? Some exercise?

    36. Re:Rule #1 by Hatta · · Score: 1

      A book?

      I said I was too tired to think.

      Some exercise?

      How about something relaxing?

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    37. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The free market isn't free. Liberty and consumerism are not the same thing.

    38. Re:Rule #1 by mallyn · · Score: 1
      Better still:

      Write some code

      Or better yet:

      Help the linux kernel community fix and tune the kernel

      They can always use help fixing broken patches

      Or help testing. Get some old PC's from the dump and set up a testing farm to validate linux kernel code

      Much more satisfying then watching tv

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    39. Re:Rule #1 by danomac · · Score: 1

      What if you exercise while watching TV?

      Exercising is pretty damn boring.

    40. Re:Rule #1 by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      FWIW I'm in a situation pretty close to your's except I only have to support my own TV watching. SAB and Sick are a lifesaver but I'd really like to also watch live TV occasionally. I use my Tivo to record things and Kmttg to remove them for my own use. I have an HDHR but sadly OTA is a PITA and even setting it up to grab clear QAM from my cable has proven a chore. I'd love some sort of standard IPTV service or a way to use myth to grab content that's not clear QAM, really my Tivo have been the best way so far but they cost a pile on top of the damned service and also obey the content flags. I was really hoping to see insightful answers to your question - so far not so much just bitching about TV in general. If folks don't like TV why are they even in this conversation?

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    41. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand this mentality! Since the sim city thing, I've seen this irrational "hey man, it's part of life getting fucked, just give them your money and deal" No fucking wonder this country's a mess, everybody thinks that's just the cost of doing business!

    42. Re:Rule #1 by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      hat's funny, but this naturally and frequently arises in casual conversations because most people do watch TV and many TV watchers insist on making this a prime topic of discussion.

      Except that's not what happened here. Nobody was talking to him. Nobody asked him anything. Indeed, he could have simply clicked the back button in his browser and read the next slashdot story.

      But instead, he had to take the time out to tell someone who had never approached him personally that he didn't have cable.

      I've never watched an episode of "Seinfeld" but people have mentioned it to me innumerable times.

      Understood. But if you hear two people "having a conversation at the watercooler" about Seinfeld do you sidle up, get their attention, look down your nose and say "I don't watch that show."? Because THAT is what people find annoying.

      IMO, the reason people get annoyed when you tell them that you don't own or watch TV is that on some level, they also realize that it's wasting their time and polluting their brain.

      For my part, I don't watch reality TV, and refuse to watch it out of principle. If someone engages me in conversation about a reality show I can either deflect it as something I didn't watch, or I can do the whole "I don't watch garbage like that routine." depending on whether I want to simply politely change the subject or whether I want to make the point that I think its stupid and that watching it is stupid. With my mother in law, for example, I tend to be the diplomat; "Oh, no, I haven't seen that." with others I'll take the shot.

      In my experience few people are offended unless I take the effort to at least imply that I think the show they are talking about is not worth my time, or anyone else's.

    43. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kramer is hilarious. He should have his own show.

    44. Re:Rule #1 by hodet · · Score: 1

      Dude you need to start watching Duck Dynasty. It will change your attitude about TV. It's about this family in Louisiana that....oh forget it, its starting now and I don't have time to explain. Google Duck Dynasty and then come back and we can chat. Gotta go....

    45. Re:Rule #1 by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Terabytes of storage go into my... DVD collection... here, so not like I'm adverse to downloading stuff, but this whole concept of "watching it... without commercials" needs to be addressed. The *reason* this stuff is on TV is the advertisements. There is big money in paying for advertisements during certain TV hours, and this - combined with government funding - is how free to air TV works. Downloading the content detracts from that.

      It's actually not that bad, so long as when the survey team comes along you check the TV guide and then say "why yes I watch Firefly every night at 7" because that's when it's on, that way the advertisement keeps going, and the programs end up on commercial TV. Sort of like not-adblocking *cough cough* divxden.

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    46. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Okay, I was rude and the child abuse comment was hyperbole. Apologies. The connection I was making between your two posts was this:

      Stop watching TV, and often you are missing only reminders of things you enjoy - not those things, themselves.

      then

      All my kids have ever known is "grey market" streaming and Netflix/Amazon. They are almost 15.

      Do you think TV's bad unless you're watching over the Internet?

    47. Re:Rule #1 by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      The dawn of television ushered in programs that were idealistic and meant in large part to inspire Americans to be more like Ward Cleaver. What it did instead was thoroughly demoralizing the family since those ideals were nigh impossible to attain. It now displays some of the worst examples of humanity in an attempt to boost American's self esteem by showing them they are not, in fact, that bad compared to Honey Boo Boo's mom. I watch cooking and home improvement shows.

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    48. Re:Rule #1 by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Hey now. "The Prisoner" isn't garbage.

      The remake they had on AMC back in '09 was.

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    49. Re:Rule #1 by operagost · · Score: 1

      I hope you weren't trying to respond to me, because what you have said makes absolutely no sense. Don't be encouraged by the slob who modded you "insightful". Protip: having a low UID doesn't mean you get to spout random prose and insults.

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    50. Re:Rule #1 by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 2

      There are a *lot* of popular genre titles that don't require or provoke conscious thought, yet are pleasurable or even "addictive." Or at least, most people are competent/literate enough in their native language to not find most popular books mentally taxing; are you implying that doesn't apply to you?

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    51. Re:Rule #1 by Jason+Smith · · Score: 1

      That was a low UID? huh.

    52. Re:Rule #1 by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      I don't know how to say this sir, but 1196 is lower than 3310, sir. Unless you tell me otherwise, sir.

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    53. Re:Rule #1 by Burz · · Score: 1

      'There is no such thing as society^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe free market.'

      A little updating for you.

    54. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "free market" only delivers the lowest value possible so as to prop up the profits of middlemen, CEOs, and other useless types,, so low expectations there is simply a rational way of looking at things.

    55. Re:Rule #1 by rioki · · Score: 1

      The GP makes total sense to me. If you accept what you are given, there is no need to improve. If you demand the best and vote with your wallet/feet you will be rewarded with better products.

      As a matter of fact:

      Yes, most of the times I go on a vacation it is what I expected. (Maybe not exactly as I expected, but pleasant anyway.) I chose and plan my vacations.

      Yes, every time I go to the store I get exactly what I wanted to buy. True though I need to go to different stores. I chose the stores I go to.

      Yes, I have seldom been disappointed by a movie or play. Then again I don't go on whim.

      About that sleep thing... not so much you can do about that, though.

    56. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier!

      Add it to the long list of things you don't know.

    57. Re:Rule #1 by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      You must not watch sports...which is fine. But your whole strategy blows up for half the population that sees the primary purpose of a TV being for sports.

      We have an antenna and ESPN 3 for sports. Sure, we don't get every sporting event, but we get enough. Besides, with all of the money I'm saving, I can afford to go to a bar with a friend or three a few times a month.

    58. Re:Rule #1 by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Say what now?

      / derp

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    59. Re:Rule #1 by Jason+Smith · · Score: 1

      Scurrilous cad! Question your elders? Bah!

      (Sir should know better than to post when vision is blurry.)

    60. Re:Rule #1 by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      There absolutely no reason why anyone should have to fund advertisements. I don't care for advertisements, and thus I avoid tv. It's not that hard to figure it out.

      I don't care how bad it is for you, it's simply intolerable for me. I don't need to waste actual time for some other company's hope of gaining product awareness. My time is more valuable than what they want me to "pay" for their show, and it detracts from watching their show.

    61. Re:Rule #1 by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      (Dramatic music plays)

      We can go back to the dawn of man, and see that one of his core personality traits is The Story. From Cave Paintings telling stories of animals and hunts, to epic poems with strong rhyming so they can be orally passed on, to books, to plays, to movies, to TV, to Youtube, to blogs, to Twitter/Pinterest/FLickr/Tumblr/WhateverItIsToday... It's kind of all been a way for stories to get transmitted.

      (end of bad music score)

      So you dislike this specific medium... fine for you. Shakespeare had a lot of sex in his works, so he could sell tickets to the groundlings. I guess he's too lowbrow for you. The Bible has sex and violence and violent sex in it. Too lowbrow for you as well.

      Don't blame the medium. Don't assume you know what people are watching. Don't disdain people for using a medium. Should I look down at you - Oh he's reading, and I know Penthouse Forum letters are written text, so he must be below me, so if he's reading text, he's a moron.

    62. Re:Rule #1 by Meski · · Score: 1

      Using the snarky 'pro tip' pretty much says you aren't really a pro

    63. Re:Rule #1 by synaptik · · Score: 1

      Get off my lawn.

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  2. Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Write to your congress critter, whine online, nothing will happen. Cancel the service, you can live without cable-TV.

    1. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Cancel the service, you can live without cable-TV.

      Agreed.

      If you're using sickbeard and/or couchpotato to download TV shows from Usenet, what do you need Cox for?

    2. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe the OP is looking for answers, not a lecture.

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    3. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No music or video is worth jailtime.
      If I don't pay for the subscription video, You loose some direct money but I still see the ads and you make money from the advertisers.
      If you make it illegal to watch by restricting, I won't watch. You loose more money because I won't watch ads.
      and guess what I win my life back.

    4. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I canceled cable tv about a year ago. No history on the history channel, and reality tv on TLC/Discover etc. Honey boo boo was the last straw. I looked at our viewing habits closely and realized we really didn't watch that much any more that couldn't be replaced with DVD rental and Netflix/Amazon streaming. I honestly haven't missed it and get more than enough entertainment from those other sources. We watch less TV, but what we do watch is far more focused on what we want to see rather than whats on at the time.

    5. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by LearningHard · · Score: 1

      For the shows he can't pirate.

    6. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Art+Challenor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is "Ask Slashdot", you always get one of those and sometimes both.

    7. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      lol?

    8. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > No music or video is worth jailtime.

      When has that ever happened?

      People get SUED for that sort of thing. The Gestapo doesn't come breaking down your door over music or video. They value it about as much as you do.

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    9. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by BobNET · · Score: 3, Funny

      I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television. In fact, I don't even own one.

      I'm not an elitist. It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen. If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university. I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out.

      People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit -- or, shall I say, addiction -- eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television.

    10. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2

      So basically you are admitting you can't understand how people could like some things you don't like? And implying that if everyone lived their life the way you do the world would be a better place? Sounds like a dreadfully simplistic view to me.

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    11. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      Submitter here:

      Actually not using usenet. Used to, and it was good, but not anymore.

      The first and second rules about usenet do not apply, and I want to emphasize that strongly. I knew this would come up, but my summary was becoming too long as it is. Everybody and their mother's dog knows about torrents though.

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    12. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not an elitist.

      Yes you are. Telling people with a certain hobby that your hobbies are superior to theirs is the very definition of elitist.

      Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of telling other people how to live theirs?

    13. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by seinman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Live broadcasts. For me, it's sports. There are a lot of sporting events that I want to watch that are only on cable/satellite. Even if there was someone torrenting sporting events (I've looked high and low, unless it's the super bowl, this doesn't exist), I would still rather watch most of them live.

    14. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Spectre · · Score: 1

      This. Right here. Is the answer. I don't know why it is that some people HAVE to watch TV at all let alone a particular show. If we all ignore them they will go away and we'll be better off for it.

      ... but we have to protect their business model! How will we know that this year's model of the Gluttonous Seats 9 Suburban Assault Vehicle has automatic rain-sensing windshield wipers if we don't watch Some Stupid People on TV and view the advertisements?

      Obviously the answer is to tape everyone's eyeballs open and put a TV-glasses on them so that people will be properly indoctrinated^W educated on these issues.

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    15. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by feld · · Score: 2

      you're not looking hard enough. i see 720p releases of sports all the time.

    16. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      everyone has their preferences, but I think the mistake is using a TV to watch TV. Use TV as a gigantic monitor with which to broadcast what you download. Why else should anyone even want a TV? To spend 30 minutes watching a 20 minute show? Since when does that even make sense?

    17. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by TougaSempai · · Score: 1

      (from Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television, linked to in an earlier comment)

    18. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen. If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university.

      Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs?

      I didn't realize Proust, Bergman, and Truffaut only made biographies.

    19. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Compare these two things.

      Hulu/Netflx Subscription with buying / renting DVD/BLURAY of things you would like to watch not available on TV

      VS

      Cable TV (or SAT) package that has "most" of the stuff you want to watch and still supplementing with DVD/BLURAY purchases/rentals.

      The $100/mo cable plan looks really expensive just to get a few shows on Premier night and the few live events you're interested in.

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    20. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not an elitist.

      Yes you are. Telling people with a certain hobby that your hobbies are superior to theirs is the very definition of elitist.

      Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of telling other people how to live theirs?

      Because his real hobby is telling people how much better he is than others.

      My hobby is pointing out hypocrites. Of which I am one.

    21. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Troll alert! Bobnet is reusing words from a link posted about an article by 'The Onion'. Reading Proust in his spare time was the giveaway.

    22. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by nblender · · Score: 1

      There are shows my wife likes to watch that are not available via bittorrent or usenet. I'm in Canuckistan so I can't use Hulu or get them directly from PBS or History Channel or whatever... Messing around with a VPN is not my idea of entertainment.

      Antiques Roadshow US
      Antiques Roadshow UK (ok, I can get this from thebox)
      Who Do You Think You Are
      This Old House

      Sure, they might be crap shows but my wife likes them and I like her.

      Everything _I_ watch I get via Sickbeard. So we still pay for cable. Unfortunately, the cableco knows this so if we cancel cable, they unbundle the rest of our services and we only save about $4.00/month over what we're paying now _with_ cable.

      Plus, I use the cable bill to explain to my young child that we are still paying for all the content; I am just choosing to download it in a different format... Soon he's going to be old enough to know it's a copout...

    23. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      When I first bought my internet only service from my cable provider cable was only $5 or so dollars more. Since that time cable increased by $4 ($9 more total). For the same amount of channels.

      In the meantime for the same price my internet service speed was raised %50.

      Only problem I have now is the constant calls from the cable co trying to sell me a bundle package.

    24. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And mindlessly clicking internet links staring at a glowing computer screen is really any better?

    25. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and i thought he was just an arrogant elitist prick!!

    26. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I don't stare at any phosphorescent screens.

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    27. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He also asked for: " Or perhaps any workarounds for the CCI flag?"
      Yes. Get a box with component cable outputs. DRM flags only carry over digital media such as HDMI. Component is an analog connector, and will output a picture every bit as high quality as HDMI... in fact it doesn't have an effective resolution limit so it'll be "forward compatible" for higher resolutions down the road. (This is why Big Media has been lobbying Congress to outlaw component and other analog media outputs)

      But in a similar vein to your answer, if they are also flagging CSPAN, CSPAN2, and/or the local Public Access channels, file a complaint with the local PSC (Public Service Commission) as those channels are legally not supposed to bear any copy restrictions on them and should bear the flag of "unlimited copy".

    28. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by mallyn · · Score: 1

      Here is what I do while not watching tv. No tv for 32 years. This site is safe for work. It shows my hobbies. www.clearplastic.com

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    29. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are shows my wife likes to watch that are not available via bittorrent or usenet. ...

      Antiques Roadshow US
      Antiques Roadshow UK (ok, I can get this from thebox)
      Who Do You Think You Are

      WDYTYA is available - The US version is everywhere. The emprie has the Australian, Canadian, and South African versions. Irishtorrents has the Irish version. I don't think you've looked very hard.

    30. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Live broadcasts. For me, it's sports. There are a lot of sporting events that I want to watch that are only on cable/satellite. Even if there was someone torrenting sporting events (I've looked high and low, unless it's the super bowl, this doesn't exist), I would still rather watch most of them live.

      seriously? there's a private site that has all 4 major US sports, plus CFL European Football. You just need to actually look

    31. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you live in New Zealand, and your name is Kim Dotcom

    32. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      Well done! You had me going up until the Bergman films at the university bit. But your weakness is not your technique, it's that you're trying to hard. BUt still, well done.

    33. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by thoth_amon · · Score: 1

      Either this is incredibly dry humor, or this guy is an idiot. I'm going to go with the dry humor. Not an elitist? But got to run off to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film at the university. This is too funny, but I have to turn off the Interwebs and catch up on my Proust, see you guys later!

    34. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      If you know someone with cable/satellite that's willing, pay to have an extra box added at their place and for part of their bill, then hook it up to a Slingbox or similar device that allows for remote viewing and channel-changing.

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    35. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      Need ads to check slash and emails and fb

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    36. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by lxs · · Score: 1

      fact it doesn't have an effective resolution limit

      The disembodied spirit of Mr. Claude Shannon would like a word with you.

    37. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by OolimPhon · · Score: 2

      He also asked for: " Or perhaps any workarounds for the CCI flag?"
      Yes. Get a box with component cable outputs. DRM flags only carry over digital media such as HDMI. Component is an analog connector, and will output a picture every bit as high quality as HDMI... in fact it doesn't have an effective resolution limit so it'll be "forward compatible" for higher resolutions down the road. (This is why Big Media has been lobbying Congress to outlaw component and other analog media outputs)

      Yup. Once you have that high-quality analog output you can capture it using an HD-PVR and feed it back into your system. It is the only solution which will legally enable you to accommodate those flags.

    38. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **Whoosh**

    39. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize this is Slashdot, right? Lectures are the pain you pay to get an answer here!

    40. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      No, the obvious answer is give people the choice. Don't like TV - don't watch it. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch. It is pretty presumptuous to just ban everything you don't personally agree with.

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    41. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by not available via bittorrent? I tried doing a search for Antique Roadshow; there seems to be lots of episodes on The Pirate Bay. I also found Who Do You Think You Are. This Old House don't seem to be available through torrents, but they put full episodes on their website.

      I personally buy DVDs, and sometimes I get a download before the DVD is available and only buy the DVD once it's been released. But it's getting very close to everything being available.

    42. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet

  3. Go OTA by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about using an antenna? I cut cable about 7 years ago - everything comes in on Mythbuntu via an HDHR hooked up to a small roof-mounted antenna. We get about 30 channels OTA with no excess compression and no copy protection. Everything else comes in over the net (Netflix and "other").

    You don't say what metro area you are in or whether you are living in an antenna-friendly building but you've already got 90% of the gear you need. Lots of info on the web about how to make the jump. You may have already investigated OTA, but if not you definitely should.

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    1. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTA is the only 'workaround', but then you only get local channels. Cable providers are allowed to set the 5C flags to "Copy Once", and you have no way of asking them not to. I don't know of anything avaliable that can change the flag from "Copy Once" to "Copy Freely".

    2. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Get a Dreambox, install one of the 'special' firmwares and you can watch and record whatever, whenever. Google for more info.

    3. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > We get about 30 channels OTA

      So do I but the vast majority of the channels are useless for Americans. I don't want a dozen channels of religious nuts screaming in Mexican or a bunch of Chinese people screaming in an attempt to sell crap. We're left with only three channels that aren't full of angry gibberish. Political correctness in this country has ruined OTA TV. At least that's true in the Seattle area. I haven't tried it elsewhere.

    4. Re:Go OTA by DriveDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have an attic, I would suggest hanging several directional homemade Hoverman antennae in the attic, each pointed towards a station you want. Materials for the antenna—wood, coathangers, screws, wire, possibly ratwire or something for a reflector, and a balun, should cost you maybe $5 each (I had all the junk to make several without spending a dime). You might need to buy some coax. These things are much, much better than the indoor antenna junk being peddled in stores for $30, $50, even more. I implanted one in the wall behind the TV just for backup in case the IPTV setup goes down. The angle just happens to work for the two closest channels.

    5. Re:Go OTA by ChaseTec · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't buy some expensive antenna, you can build a good one yourself, see http://www.tvantennaplans.com/ I also used two android apps, TV Antenna Helper (to figure out where the transmit towers are) and Hdhomerun Signal Meter (to make sure I had the direction of my antenna perfect).

      Hulu, NetFlix, and Amazon Prime for the rest of my content.

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    6. Re:Go OTA by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I'm doing just that for locals, but all my cable channels are just SD right now.

      I'm on FIOS, and I'd like to move to HD, but honestly trying to get the non-OTA channels in HD just sounds like a real PITA. They charge more for the tuners, and then I'd need an HDCP-remover and hardware that can encode in realtime (likely at poor quality levels for the bitrate - but maybe it is decent). The family will live with SD, so I probably will just get HD content from other sources if I want it.

      I don't mind paying for my video - I just want to watch it the way I want to watch it. Give me an mpeg-4 stream - like every file sharing site on the planet already does for free. It isn't like all the HDCP/etc keeps the content off those sites - it can be done, and it only takes one person on the planet to do it.

    7. Re:Go OTA by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      how do you mux all the signals together? Do you just use a backward coax splitter?

    8. Re:Go OTA by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Hey, an informative post sitting at zip. Mods?

    9. Re:Go OTA by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Newsflash: OTA providers have now been told they too can set this flag. I don't think it's gone into effect yet but it's been passed.

      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/10/15/1855245/fcc-to-allow-cable-companies-to-encrypt-over-the-air-channels

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    10. Re:Go OTA by amjohns · · Score: 1

      You're lucky, FIOS in most places doesn't set copy protection flags (speaking from experience!).

      All you need is an HDHomerun Prime and 1 CableCard @ $4/month, you can record 3 channels simultaneousy. Fortunately I'm still running an awesome SageTV setup, but Myth will work equally well. The only real pain there is setting up scraping the EPG data.

      With that setup, you'll have raw MPEG Transport Stream data, unencrypted, that you can copy, move, or transcode to your heart's desire. Want commercial detection and auto-skip -- check.

    11. Re:Go OTA by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Something to consider - Tivo HD and KMTTG. Yes, you pay but when done the content is on your HDD. OTA has been authorized for copy control although as of yet I don't think it's been implemented. I'd like to setup a Myth setup, I even have an HDHR but the setup is daunting and I've not ever been able to get it right and gain anything over my Tivo setup...

      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/10/15/1855245/fcc-to-allow-cable-companies-to-encrypt-over-the-air-channels

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    12. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physics gets in the way... Put in multiple PVR cards, one per antenna.

    13. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsflash: OTA providers have now been told they too can set this flag. I don't think it's gone into effect yet but it's been passed.

      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/10/15/1855245/fcc-to-allow-cable-companies-to-encrypt-over-the-air-channels

      You need to re-read that article. This is about cable companies re-broadcasting OTA channels (over their cable). The signal isn't OTA. Since it goes over their cable, they are allowed to encrypt it. But the OTA signals must remain un-encrypted.

    14. Re:Go OTA by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      I have a coaxial switch around here somewhere. It only has two inputs, but there are, or at least were, some with 4 or more. Electronic ones aren't so cheap, but would be a nice solution.

    15. Re:Go OTA by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      You could use narrow bandpass filters and insert each signal into a common line, but that's getting complicated and then how well it works is going to depend on the actual frequencies of the channels desired. I like the multiple cards idea, especially since some have more than one input anyway.

    16. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a Dreambox, install one of the 'special' firmwares and you can watch and record whatever, whenever. Google for more info.

      It has been a long time since a softcam "special" firmware has worked. Nagravision3 nixed it.

    17. Re:Go OTA by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      OK i see, you have to switch antennas manually whenever you change channels.

    18. Re:Go OTA by DaveJ45 · · Score: 1

      No need to hassle with scraping for your EPG data, when an annual subscription to Schedules Direct is only $25 year.

      There's also a 2 month 'tryout' for $6, to test how well it integrates with your media OS.

      Their website lists about 4 dozen or so applications their service works with-

      http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

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    19. Re:Go OTA by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, maybe I'll give it a shot. I'm nervous about getting the carpet yanked out from under me after spending a bunch of money on capture hardware. But, I can always add the new capture device on top of the existing ones so I have a fallback and then return that hardware down the road.

      I already use Schedulesdirect, so EPG data is not a concern. I don't mind paying for service/etc - I just don't want to end up doing all that and have DRM preventing me from actually being able to use the service I paid for.

  4. Buy an antenna.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.antennaweb.org/

  5. HD PVR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Use an HD PVR with the component outputs of your cable box - no cable card so you have to pay the monthly cable box rental fee. This will allow you to record anything that the cable box can see.

    http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

    I haven't used XBMC but this works very well with MythTV and Verizon FIOS.

    1. Re:HD PVR by heezer7 · · Score: 0

      +1 for HD PVR under MythTV. Works great.

    2. Re:HD PVR by Kid+Mirage · · Score: 1

      Add to this some software like NextPVR to record shows. I use an HD PVR/NextPvr/XBMC solution and I'm very happy with it.

    3. Re:HD PVR by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 2

      I second the Hauppauge HD PVR as pretty awesome as a PVR. I use it to record gameplay videos, and it also works under Linux, although not officially supported. The Mythbuntu FAQ I believe has a good entry on using it. It worked with no extra steps just plugging it in under my Ubuntu install.

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    4. Re:HD PVR by Bigby · · Score: 2

      I have used PCHDTV, Hauppauge PVR-350, HD-PVR, and now InfiniTV. I have had TimeWarner, WOW, Cox, and now Comcast.

      With Cox, it was analog (yes, I've been using MythTV since 2003). No problems, obviously. Other than the stability of MythTV on Gentoo.

      With WOW, it was analog (PVR-350). I was also able to use firewire to the cablebox and capture the HD stream. I actually contributed some code to MythTV when getting this to work. Then WOW cut that loophole off. It was great: only the cost of a firewire card/cable.

      With TW, HD-PVR worked. PVR-350 worked until it got fried by lightning. PCHDTV worked for analog only. I could not get HD, even broadcast channels, for the life of me. HD-PVR is the big savior here. Because it uses the CableCard/decryption in the cable box and captures the analog component video, it ALWAYS works. I had switched to Mythbuntu by this time.

      With Comcast, my PCHDTV stopped working...like it got fried. HD-PVR, as usual, works for everything. I then bought Ceton InfiniTV and got a CableCard. Now I can record most channels (all but premium like Encore/HBO). And it has 4 tuners. Meanwhile, the HD-PVR keeps chugging away. I lowered its priority and inserted a custom rule in MythTV. So it is only used to record Encore and like channels...or if I am TV happy and need to record 5 things at once.

      In short. You can't go wrong with HD-PVR. The only problem is the cost for just a single tuner.

    5. Re:HD PVR by Bigby · · Score: 1

      I want to add that this will become my recording server in the near future. I will have 2+ clients for 2+ TVs that stream video from the server. All wireless. I am already able to stream video to my phone...which works in the house (server not restricted by Internet upload speeds).

    6. Re:HD PVR by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      I second the Hauppauge HD PVR as pretty awesome as a PVR.

      I also own a Hauppauge and use it to capture off my DirecTV DVR, but there are issues that need to be addressed.

      If you use optical digital audio input, then it better be 100% perfect with no glitches. If not, there will also be video glitches. Analog audio does not have this problem, but can only support 2 channels.

      The Hauppauge is not a "set it and forget it" device, at least not with the software that is included. The hardware needs to be power-cycled at least once a week because it stops responding. Perhaps MythTV or some other software would do a better job, but I suspect that anything Windows based will have the same issues as it is likely the drivers that are at fault.

    7. Re:HD PVR by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 2

      I can't speak to the optical digital audio issue, because I use analog RCA stereo audio and have no issues with that. As to needing to power-cycle the unit, maybe there's a newer firmware that my unit was loaded with, but I have never had this issue myself. I actually run all my consoles through a component AV switch that goes into the PVR and into a single component input on the TV, so I can record any console by changing the switch. The unit is on all the time (just not recording) and if it crapped out regularly, I would lose my signal while playing normally. This doesn't happen though.

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    8. Re:HD PVR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Second this. I'm using a hauppauge HD PVR now myself. It runs for months without a problem. I wish I could say the same of the cable (fios) box, which periodically powers down or reloads or whatever and needs to be reset. (Had to turn it around so I could see the white power light and check if it was off again.) I'm running with about 12TB of storage right now, really chewing through it! I can record any show on any channel using the IR-blaster built into the HD-PVR, including HBO/SHO/etc, both HD and SD. 5 wires run from the cable box to the HD-PVR (component + R/L sound). Running MythTV under RedHat Linux, with assorted extra scripts to query the database directly and see what's coming up that I might want to record/watch. Oh, and a script to let me watch all my shows under VLC on a remote laptop via Samba on the home network. (Wired. My wireless is still way too slow!)

      Now, if I could just get VLC to run on a tablet wirelessly....

    9. Re:HD PVR by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

      If it's an IOS tablet run Plex server and the Plex client. Smooth as glass via wireless on my setup. Not sure if they have an Android client or not but it takes care of getting through my firewall and finding my IP when I'm on the road - love it!

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    10. Re:HD PVR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the HD-PVR is nice, but not nearly as nice as the Ceton Cable Card Tuner.
        http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4

      The Ceton is a single PCI card that, with a cablecard installed, is capable of recording up to 4 programs at once. The HD-PVR can only record 1 and you need to IR blast to control an external cable box. Also, since your cable STB can only output one channel at a time, you can either watch live TV OR record something, but not both at the same time, so you are pretty likely to also have to rent a 2nd cable STB that is dedicated to the HD-PVR. Of course renting the STB is typically much more expensive than renting a cable card...

      At about the same price as a HD-PVR, the Ceton sounds like a dream right? The problem here is exactly what the OP is talking about. Despite paying the cable company to rent a cable card, some cable companies set the "Copy Once" control flag on ALL programs encrypting ALL of their channels. While the Ceton card is capable of working with that flag, the decryption is software based and no one will certify an open source software with the decryption keys. So, the only way to take advantage of these type of cards to to use them on Windows Media Center.

    11. Re:HD PVR by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      As to needing to power-cycle the unit, maybe there's a newer firmware that my unit was loaded with, but I have never had this issue myself. I actually run all my consoles through a component AV switch that goes into the PVR and into a single component input on the TV, so I can record any console by changing the switch. The unit is on all the time (just not recording) and if it crapped out regularly, I would lose my signal while playing normally.

      I, too, pass all my component video through the Hauppauge, and it will pass through video with no issue, but if I start to record using the included Windows software, the recording skips and stutters, or won't lock on at all.

      This is because although the pass-through requires the unit to be powered on, there is no processing done on it, and the recording is taken from a split of this feed.

  6. Netflix! by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 1

    It's totally awesome and completely changed my TV watching habits. Also bonus points for UK citizens, you don't need a TV license :D

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    1. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It also works under Wine now.

    2. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they used to need licenses to listen to radio as well. not certain if that still applies or got folded into the television license.

    3. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a license, or fee, to own a TV.
      You have to pay it whether or not you actually watch TV.
      Canada has a fee for blank optical media. Whether you're going to burn pirated content or not.
      Do Canadians need to ask the governments [sic] permission to take a piss too?

    4. Re:Netflix! by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      A licence to watch TV? Seriously?

      Yes, you pay a relatively small fee to watch broadcast TV, and it funds high quality advert-free TV, advert free radio, vast amounts of advert-free web content...

    5. Re:Netflix! by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      they used to need licenses to listen to radio as well. not certain if that still applies or got folded into the television license.

      The radio licence was abolished 40 years ago.

      These days, the BBC (and certain content on commercial channels) is funded entirely by the TV licence. This is going to have to change at some point though since more and more people (myself included) are getting their TV entirely from iPlayer, which doesn't require a licence. It seems a bit unfair for only the broadcast TV watchers to subsidise all of these services (TV, radio, iPlayer, the BBC website, lots of content on non-BBC TV and radio channels, etc.). At some point I hope it simply becomes a tax for all households, possibly collected as part of council tax, since that would seem much fairer and would mean we'd be rid of the abusive dicks at the TV licensing authority (aka. C(r)apita).

    6. Re:Netflix! by FireFury03 · · Score: 2

      It's a license, or fee, to own a TV.
      You have to pay it whether or not you actually watch TV.

      Incorrect. You have to pay the TV licence fee if you watch or record TV programs (via any means) at the same time as they are being broadcast on standard over-the-air channels. If you don't do this then you don't need a TV licence, even if you have a TV (conversely, if you watch live content on iplayer and you don't have a TV you still need to pay for a TV licence).

      Personally I think it's an extremely good idea, although the way it is collected leaves a lot to be desired.

    7. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vast amounts of advert-free web content

      Ah, I remember the days when there was advertising on the web.
      Something like 2003 or before, right?

    8. Re:Netflix! by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      What if you don't like or agree with the BBC's state produced content and don't feel like supporting them? Do you still have to pay if you don't watch BBC and just use your TV as a PC monitor or for sat/cable?

    9. Re:Netflix! by FireFury03 · · Score: 2

      What if you don't like or agree with the BBC's state produced content and don't feel like supporting them?

      What if you don't like your government's schools/police/hospitals/whatever and don't feel like supporting them through your taxes? I'm sure your government allows you to opt out of funding all of these services...

      Do you still have to pay if you don't watch BBC and just use your TV as a PC monitor or for sat/cable?

      You are required to pay the TV licence fee if you watch or record any programmes (through whatever means) at the same time as they are being transmitted by traditional broadcast TV channels (i.e. DVB-S, DVB-T, DVB-C). If you don't do this then you don't have to pay. So yes, you can use your TV as a PC monitor or to watch DVDs or whatever without paying for a TV licence - it is a fee to _watch_ TV, not a fee to own any certain equipment.

    10. Re:Netflix! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

      Well, it's the way they pay for their government run TV channels. Kinda like if PBS could force you to make a donation each year during their telethon week. It's supposed to mean you don't have commercials, but I don't know if that's reality or not.

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    11. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you don't need a TV license :D

      Is is hard to pass the test for your TV license? I've heard a driver's license is difficult in the UK.

    12. Re:Netflix! by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      I finally bothered to look up what the TV license costs - it's much higher than I thought it was. That and it made me chuckle that there's still a separate black and white license...

      Then again I've liked most of the BBC shows I've seen here, and it is only the equivalent of four or maybe five months of *basic* cable here in the states. All that and no ads? I don't think you guys are getting a bum deal.

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    13. Re:Netflix! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well since you asked ... the state of California does refund some fraction of the cost of schooling if you homeschool.

    14. Re:Netflix! by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      I finally bothered to look up what the TV license costs - it's much higher than I thought it was. That and it made me chuckle that there's still a separate black and white license...

      Then again I've liked most of the BBC shows I've seen here, and it is only the equivalent of four or maybe five months of *basic* cable here in the states. All that and no ads? I don't think you guys are getting a bum deal.

      Yes, amusing there's a B&W licence, can't imagine there are that many B&W TVs still working...

      As for the cost, its about £12/month, which as you point out is much less than the basic cost of pay TV. For example, Sky's basic package is £21.50/month, which apparently gives us 40 "entertainment channels" (most of which are complete dross and also available for free elsewhere anyway), which have an ad break every 15 minutes. I dropped my Sky subscription many years ago because I realised:
      1. It had got to the point where there were only 2 or 3 shows on the Sky channels worth watching (all fiction).
      2. I was watching many more shows on free TV than Sky (almost all on BBC, which has no ads at all; although the occasional programme on S4C, etc. which is ad supported (although contrary to popular belief some of the TV licence goes to fund programmes on all the channels, not just the BBC))
      3. I realised that the few shows I did watch on Sky I could just buy on DVD for a cheaper price and not have to deal with the ads and scheduling.

      Some bad things I would say about the TV licence though:
      1. The BBC produce a lot of content that doesn't require a TV licence to watch, even though it is funded by the TV licence. For example, everyone (even those not paying a TV licence) get free access to all the BBC's radio channels, the BBC website, most of the BBC's radio and TV content in the form of podcasts and iplayer. This is only going to get sillier as more and more people drop the TV licence and just start watching iPlayer instead - in fact I currently don't have a working TV and this is exactly what I currently do. IMHO, a fairer method of taxing people is going to be needed soon (even though that means I would once again be paying for TV I support the idea of funding the TV licence in a fairer way).
      2. The TV licencing authority (run by Capita) is downright abusive to anyone who doesn't have a TV licence. They send extremely threatening letters that look like you're about to be taken to court if you don't pay and send "inspectors" to your door. If you're not watching broadcast TV then you don't need a licence, but I'm sure a lot of more vulnerable people end up getting one anyway because they fear what will happen if they ignore the threats. In the past they have also taken libelous actions, although this seems to have stopped - for example, when I had just left university and had no TV I regularly got threatening letters from them with "YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW" printed in large letters across the outside of the envelope; as far as I'm concerned this is libel since I wasn't watching TV and therefore there was no requirement for me to have a licence. Frankly, if they were an independent business trying these sorts of tactics they would by prosecuted, but since they are sanctioned by the state they seem to get away with it.
      3. As a result of (1) and (2) I've come to the conclusion that the TV licence would be better funded by taxing *all* households rather than applying the nebulous and rather unenforcable criteria they currently apply. It could be collected as part of the council tax bill. This would mean less TV licence money going on enforcement, the abusive tactics of Capita would be no more and it would seem a fairer way to fund *all* the BBC's services.

  7. Basic services are often free over the air by schwep · · Score: 2

    Get a pair of digital rabbit ears - you should be able to pick up many local channels (which is what it sounds like you want). Depending on where you live, a TV antenna either out doors, or in your attic might solve the problem. Then you can pretty much cut the cable completely - and still be legal.

    Alternatively, look for other (smaller) providers. I have family that lives in an area where there is one big cable company, and 2 or three much smaller companies that offer very similar & competitive products.

    1. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      > Get a pair of digital rabbit ears

      Enh.... rabbit ears are not "digital" or "analog". The "digital" on the package is marketing for the uninformed. Like "color" used to be.

      Also, those set top antennas that are shaped like a dish? They're not really satellite antennas. Sorry.

      One Christmas I bought the wife a large farmhouse-style antenna, put it on a tall mast (suitably protected against lightning) and DARED the homeowner's association to try to make me take it down. It's been five years; no takers so far. We get thirteen digital channels off the antenna, although many of them are crap.

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    2. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      That's not true (although digital antennas don't look like the rabbit ears of yore).

      Digital Television broadcasts on a different set of frequencies and requires a different style of antenna for optimum reception. Wavelengths are shorter so instead of a big huge V to catch the longer wavelength analog TV signals, you can use an array of smaller V-sections. Your old set of rabbit ears will still work, just like sticking a wire and some aluminum foil into the antenna jack would work (not optimized, but still conductive so still funcitonal), but you would get much better results with an antenna designed for DTV.

      Hell, you can even make one out of a few coat hangers. I've made several of these for myself and friends and they work great. When the analog stations first switched off, we could barely get all of the regular stations with our rabbit ears, but with the coat-hanger antenna, we could even pick up duplicates of some (from another nearby town).

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    3. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by Intropy · · Score: 1

      If you're in the US there probably haven't been any takers because that would be illegal.

    4. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by cshay · · Score: 3, Informative

      Incorrect. Both UHF and VHF are still used by digital broadcasters and the same old antennas are still used (rabbit ears for VHF and bowties for UHF).

      The USA decided that digital broadcasting was so efficient that they could auction off UHF channels 59 through 69 in 2008.

      Please do some googling before making such erroneous comments.

    5. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      If you're in the US there probably haven't been any takers because that would be illegal.

      Yes. Communications act of 1994, I believe. But that didn't stop the homeowner's association from trying to get people to take down those new mini dishes that were starting to crop up. I'm told in some cases homeowner's associations put liens on houses for fines, and the homeowners had to fight them in court. Ultimately successfully, but it's a huge pain in the meantime.

      Our association made noises about how the CC&R document we signed when we bought the house superseded the communications act (which came later) but a bunch of homeowners responded with the equivalent of MOLON LABE and the board backed down. It was a beautiful thing.

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    6. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      At least around here, they use the UHF channels. The old rabbit ears were designed for the VHF stations (and more modern ones had a UHF loop, but that's not as effective as a better designed antenna).

      There's a pretty significant difference in wavelength between the low VHF channels and the UHF stuff...and then they just use virtual channel numbers to maintain their old number.

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    7. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Curious - I thought the "digital" channels were still in the VHF or UHF ranges. If it's on the same baseband frequency, what does it matter to the antenna that the data is digital or analog?

      This is an honest question, I know enough about RF to usually call marketting BS, or give really bad information to people who trust me :)

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    8. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      The same channels are still out there, but for some reason, it seems like they prefer to use the UHF channels (may just be that they didn't want to make their viewers reset their TV tuning after the analog shutoff since for a while everybody was broadcasting analog on the old channel and digital on some random UHF channel). Only one of my local broadcasters have switched back to their original station, the rest of them are using UHF channels that were unused in the analog era.

      Obviously the antenna will work whether the signal is analog or digital (just like a cable works no matter what), but modern antennas seem to be optimized for the higher frequency stuff. Old-school antennas were optimized for VHF because that's where CBS/NBC/etc. were located. Then they added UHF loops or bowties when there started to be more UHF stations, but they were rarely as good as the full rabbit ears were for VHF. The antennas being marketed as "digital" are simply tuned to a higher frequency in the hopes of picking up all the digital stuff that is being broadcast on the UHF channels.

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    9. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      I gotcha - here all the "main" stations have stuck to their pre-digital VHF channels.

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    10. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind, you won't actually notice if they didn't return to their pre-digital channel. Through virtual channels, they have the same number on your TV, but they don't have to actually use that frequency. For instance, my local PBS station still shows up on a TV as 11, but they are actually broadcasting on UHF channel 47.

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    11. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      The "digital" on the package is marketing for the uninformed. Like "color" used to be.

      Dang! I'd forgotten all about that -- they used to sell color TV antennas at a higher price, and with fancier packaging. And of course there was no difference between those and the "normal" rooftop antennas that everyone had been using for decades.

      This explains why reception on my grandparent's TV was still poor, despite the new color antenna they put up. It was the same as the old one!

    12. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by Technician · · Score: 1

      I use an old Yagi UHF antena from the country back when city VHF broadcasts were telecast on UHF to the country. It works great using an antenna that was built before digital TV was even a concept.

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  8. Navi-X should save you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great plug-in, and if the server is not overloaded, it finds most what you're looking for.
    (direct streaming instead of download, then play)

  9. Geeze by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 5, Funny

    First world problems...

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    1. Re:Geeze by Dishevel · · Score: 0

      First world problems...

      In my life so far I have never found a decent person that used that term.

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    2. Re:Geeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct, Unless you are the most unfortunate person in the world you have no right to feel bad. /rolls_eyes

    3. Re:Geeze by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      There's always a first time for everything. I take it you don't like being reminded how petty your problems are?

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    4. Re:Geeze by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Maybe your standards are too high.

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    5. Re:Geeze by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      thats right because the second and third worlders would just pirate it without worry about mpaa riaa thugs.

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    6. Re:Geeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First world problems...

      The general issue is a big problem outside the first world. Costs incurred by intellectual property protections are a huge financial burden on third world nations. Patents on medicine are the most common issue, but pressure from richer governments over the inevitable piracy of copyrighted works can also cost countries money they don't have.

    7. Re:Geeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used PVR-350 and PCHDTV cards if you want them. They come with a lesson on trickle down economics.

    8. Re:Geeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First world problems...

      In my life so far I have never found a decent person that used that term.

      Isn't that, in itself, a "first world problem"?

    9. Re:Geeze by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      If all problems but the worst are pointless then progress would be incredibly slow.
      To all asses out there that believe only the worst problems on the face of the planet are worthy to be discussed ... Fuck you.
      Over.

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    10. Re:Geeze by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      I like my standards where they are.
      I do not have 500 friends but the few I have are good.

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    11. Re:Geeze by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      First world problems are the ones that drive progress.

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    12. Re:Geeze by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      :-) Hit a nerve, eh? It's people like you that slow down progress. And... back at ya...

      Out

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    13. Re:Geeze by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      You can't tell how bad a person's problems are based on what they ask in public. Without going into detail, if I post on a forum asking about Nook Touch cases or soldering tips, it's not because my problems have qualified as remotely 'petty' at any point. It's because this isn't an appropriate forum for "real" problems, and their presence in life doesn't mean that the person loses the ability to feel pleasure, just that they have to work around more obstacles to reach it than most do.

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  10. What tuner are you using? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    See subject... I'm fairly certain hdhomerun + MythTV has no issues with unencrypted channels. I've been using that combo for year.

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    1. Re:What tuner are you using? by lart2150 · · Score: 1

      The issue is channels that are encrypted and require a cable card aka almost all but broadcast channels and that's changing(thanks fcc for not looking out for us). I have RCN and the only channels that they flag that I've run into so far are the premium movie channels. OP I think your options are switch to Comcast(I think they flag a tad more then they should be are not too bad) or give up on rolling your own dvr.

    2. Re:What tuner are you using? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's all a roll of the dice. It depends on what cable company you have. You may be lucky and all of the channels you watch are recordable, or everything may be locked down. Local branches of the same national franchise may even operate differently.

      My local landline monopoly (Time Warner) is of the "encrypt it all" variety. Needless to say, I will never be their customer.

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  11. Use the analog hole, Luke! by pla · · Score: 1

    How about dropping digital cable entirely and just ripping from analog channels?

    It worked for TiVi et al for a decade before digital cable became common.

    1. Re:Use the analog hole, Luke! by thelovebus · · Score: 1

      One potential objection to this is that you can't generally get most HD channels on a non-digital service tier. Probably for the very reason that they can charge you more for the same content by only providing on the digital tiers.

    2. Re:Use the analog hole, Luke! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I've been considering doing exactly this, but would like to avoid it if possible. Reasons I want to avoid it include no encoding and if I buy an analog tuner it won't be useful for that much longer as the analog cable spectrum is about to be removed.

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    3. Re:Use the analog hole, Luke! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      ...if I buy an analog tuner it won't be useful for that much longer as the analog cable spectrum is about to be removed.

      Aw,sure it will! Just swap the leads, and voilà! Instant analog transmitter!

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  12. Budget? by sl3xd · · Score: 2

    Budget is something that you should consider as well. You can get what you want, if you have the coin.

    For instance, before I cut the "cable", my setup was as follows:

    * Sattelite, outputting to component video and optical spdif
    * A Hauppage HD-PVR, which takes component video in, and optical spdif in, and records/encodes the video to H.264
    * MythTV (though you can choose other options)
    * An IR blaster, pointed at the sattelite receiver.
    * A $50 recent nVIDIA or ATI graphics card that supports VDPAU (ie. GPU-accelerated H.264 decode).

    What happened is MythTV would signal the IR blaster to change the channel on the satellite, and then record the video.

    The HD-PVR made excellent quality video, at an acceptable size. There are limitations to the HD-PVR's video (the video it encodes, while H.264, is in a format that requires a single, fast core to decode - something about multi-core decode not working at all...).

    The HD-PVR even comes with its own IR blaster; I just never took the time to figure out how to use it, as I already had an exceptionally nice IR blaster. The HD-PVR is also a bit finicky, occasionally crashing and requiring a hard power cycle - I even had a network-commanded power relay that would cycle the power to the HD-PVR @ 3:00 AM daily (when even Satellite stopped broadcasting)

    In the end, it was not bullet-proof (as occasionally the channel didn't change quite right, for example), but it worked 99% of the time. Full 1080 video with AC3 surround sound.

    I've since discontinued my Satellite service, and record on-air ATSC broadcasts - and switched to steaming services. I don't really miss Sattelite, and save about $100/month in subscription fees...

    I'm considering hooking a MythTV recording box up at my brother's house (who has cable), and pay him double the "extra TV" charge per month, and then just swap out external hard drives occasionally...

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    1. Re:Budget? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      I'm considering hooking a MythTV recording box up at my brother's house (who has cable), and pay him double the "extra TV" charge per month...

      I can attest that a Slingbox (or other device for remote watching) in that setup works well, too -- that's the approach my household has gone with for the past few years.

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  13. Definitely buy an antenna by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

    I don't get all the local channels, but I get all but one and live pretty far away from the transmitters. The quality is far beyond satellite and cable even when you pay for the supposed HD channels. Those just aren't compressed quite as regular D and besides the image aspect ratio. Over the air antenna is probably the best you are going to get. And it is free. So what if you don't get all the shopping channels and the hands in your pockets preachers.

    1. Re:Definitely buy an antenna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't want to watch angry Mexicans or stupid religious freaks then OTA in the US is useless. It's been almost a decade since the FCC has granted a new license for a nongibberish or nonreligious TV channel.

      We have Reagan to blame for taking bandwidth away from entertainment to give to the xtian cultists and Clinton to blame for giving it to Mexicans. In the end, the consumer is screwed from both sides.

    2. Re:Definitely buy an antenna by SpiceWare · · Score: 1

      QVC recently showed up OTA here in Houston, on channels 10.4 and 34.3. Not sure why they're broadcasting on 2 channels, perhaps they're low-power stations that cover different parts of the city (though I get them both where I live). Quality's pretty bad though, they're sending it letterboxed on a 4:3 480i signal so when you watch it on an HDTV you get black bars on ALL FOUR SIDES of the picture.

      Here's the The Houston DTV blog entry about it and other recent channel changes.

    3. Re:Definitely buy an antenna by Arker · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, the OTA stations dont have any more ads than the cable channels these days, so unless you have a massive appetite for TV (in which case internet options are probably better anyway) there is no reason at all for most people to get cable.

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  14. Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    If you can't find 90% of your TV shows on Usenet, you are either stupid, or doing it wrong. Some shows, NCIS, NCIS LA, Supernatural and a couple others get tagged right away, UFC stuff gets tagged within 5 hours usually. so I torrent those files usually.

    But the rest? I have no problem finding at all. Oh, wait, The Carries Diaries never show up, but I think it's sort of a kid/teenagers show. Actress is hot though.

    Granted, there might be a time soon when it's getting hard to get TV shows off Usenet, but that time isn't now. Still the best $10 a month service I pay for.

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  15. this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    a) Cancel cable service. Retain or sign up for broadband.

    b) Erect old fashion antenna. (We get 13 digital channels off the antenna, although many of them are crap.

    c) Buy roku box. ($99 Amazon), less than the cost of 1 month of cable.

    d) Subscribe to Netflix streaming, and/or Hulu +, Amazon streaming (Any combination still a tiny fraction of the cost of cable/satellite)

    e) Whatever you can't get via above, torrent, or maybe read a book, go walk the dog, try to remember what your kids look like.

    f) When all else fails, remember, It's Only TV. It's quite a ways down on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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    1. Re:this worked for us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      b) Erect old fashion antenna. (We get 13 digital channels off the antenna, although many of them are crap.

      I get 130 digital channels off cable, although many of them are crap.

    2. Re:this worked for us... by drgould · · Score: 1

      g) Add an HDHomeRun DUAL - High Definition Digital TV Tuner so you can watch and DVR OTA TV over your network.

      h) If you're not boycotting Sony, consider getting a Sony BDP-SP390 which streams Netflix, Hulu+, Amazon and plays Blu-ray Discs for a little more than a Roku.

    3. Re:this worked for us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much my exact setup; I added Plex to the Roku to stream ripped DVDs etc. And RetroShare with my friends. I can't watch a fraction of the stuff I have available, too much other stuff to do...

    4. Re:this worked for us... by Bigby · · Score: 1

      This strategy generally works. However, not when you think the primary purpose of a TV is for sports. For those that don't watch sports, why would you have a TV subscription at all?

    5. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      b) Erect old fashion antenna. (We get 13 digital channels off the antenna, although many of them are crap.

      I get 130 digital channels off cable, although many of them are crap.

      But I suspect you only watch a fraction of them, and of those you watch, the content eventually will show up on the Roku.

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    6. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      This strategy generally works. However, not when you think the primary purpose of a TV is for sports. For those that don't watch sports, why would you have a TV subscription at all?

      That's a good question, and I don't know the answer. I've avoided sports ever since they stopped showing the cheerleaders. My wife is a rabid sports fan -- she'll watch Rugby and Golf if there's nothing else on. However, given the setup above (only live channels are off-air) I don't know how she does it.

      Oh, sorry, part of the answer is that she subscribes to some things that she watches on her laptop. That might be it. But she definitely watches football (every...single...game...) on her TV.

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    7. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      This strategy generally works. However, not when you think the primary purpose of a TV is for sports. For those that don't watch sports, why would you have a TV subscription at all?

      One possible answer for sports is go to the bar to watch the game.

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    8. Re:this worked for us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted a single-sentence and you still only managed to read half of it before replying?

    9. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Many of any commercial thing are crap. Ok, let's say I missed your point. Illuminate me.

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    10. Re:this worked for us... by muridae · · Score: 1

      c) Buy roku box. ($99 Amazon), less than the cost of 1 month of cable.

      I don't get why people pay that much for cable. I got comcast to give me 1000 channels, dvr, and internet for under 70. And spending the extra 10 on hbo for game of thrones seems worth it. Here's the trick, the door-to-door guys can get prices you wouldn't believe.

      Why cable? Cause Good Eats wasn't on TPB or Usenet when i last Iooked.

    11. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Why cable? Cause Good Eats wasn't on TPB or Usenet when i last Iooked.

      I've never heard of the show, but checked just now and it definitely is on TPB.

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    12. Re:this worked for us... by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      I wish but damn the sports. My hope is that the cable companies will be forced into ala carte channel choices by competition with online sources. Or hell, maybe I could subscribe to individual TV shows.

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    13. Re:this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I wish but damn the sports. My hope is that the cable companies will be forced into ala carte channel choices by competition with online sources. Or hell, maybe I could subscribe to individual TV shows.

      I'm told that wife is watching football (she's a real fanatic) on her laptop. I remember her complaining that the website uses flash, so it doesn't work on her tablet. There may be something you can do there. I don't have any specifics, as I actively avoid sports.

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  16. Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There are legitimate gripes about access, copy protection, and copyright issues... but this doesn't come close to any of them.

    This entire post can be summarized as: "I want more content, but don't want to pay for any of it. 80% of that content I already can steal, but I need help stealing the last 20%."

    The word "steal" will cause some objections, but replace it with either "gain access to content without paying for it" or "circumvent copyprotections and break the DMCA" and you're dead on.

    There's a somewhat legitimate question of "I'm paying for cable but can't watch it how I want to", but it's buried under all the references to torrents, usenet, and bypassing the copyright flag. Even a passing reference to already using some recognized legal channels like Hulu or Netflix would lend SOME level of credibility.

    1. Re:Help me steal crap by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong.

      The entire post is can be summurized as:

      I was paying for it and they won't let me fucking watch it on my equipment so now I just steal it since apparently pirates can do a better job of getting me what I want to watch FOR FREE than Comcast can manage to pull of while consume copious amounts of my money for the disservice.

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    2. Re:Help me steal crap by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > There are legitimate gripes about access, copy protection, and copyright issues... but this doesn't come close to any of them.

      Sure it does and you're a big fat jackass.

      This is about some guy wanting to use the service he's paid for in the way he wants to use it. The service provider will let him use Windows but this guy doesn't want to do that because he finds that it sucks. He can't use alternatives and is stuck using one monopoly product to deal with another.

      This whole "we need to encrypt everything" is nonsense. As soon as you paid for it, you should be able to use it however you like.

      The path between the cable box and the TV should be all in the clear.

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    3. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would prefer to find a way to take those shows away from the cable companies without watching them. This is the second best.

    4. Re:Help me steal crap by Hatta · · Score: 1

      All he wants to do is use his property to communicate with others and to do math. Why is that not a legitimate desire?

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    5. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "steal" will cause some objections, but replace it with either "gain access to content without paying for it" or "circumvent copyprotections and break the DMCA" and you're dead on.

      Yes, but here's also a great example of someone that's clearly willing to pay for it if the cable carrier didn't just blanket block, and instead going to perform crimes to be able to do something they ought to be able to do as a legal subscriber anyway.

    6. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is exactly what the post was saying, the man had service purchased hardware to enjoy his service the way he wanted to enjoy it, then the cable co decided to do everything possible to prevent him from continuing to enjoy the service he's paying for i myself am in the same boat.

      I infact do pay for cable, and sub to all the channels that carry the shows i watch, however i can't stand the useless laggy hardware my cable co has provided. I can't expand my PVR beyond a fixed amount of disk space using this junk. so i simply employ sickbeard, am i pirate? i guess so i'm not sure since i do infact pay for all the channels i pirate shows from.

      the simple fact of the matter is piracy is often made easier than purchasing. hell windows 7 came preloaded on my computer, but every time i reinstall i still use the activation cracks and a pirated distro, why? because its a pain in the ass to have to call M$ and get more activations

    7. Re:Help me steal crap by PRMan · · Score: 1

      hell windows 7 came preloaded on my computer

      You're doing it wrong. If you install your manufacturer's OEM version, you don't need a key at all.

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    8. Re:Help me steal crap by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      So, in other words, he's been driven to piracy due to a denial of his liberty to choose what equipment he gets to use?

      Yea, okay, I can get with that...

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    9. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get stuffed.

    10. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not an oem version its a retail box version that came from ye old computer shop that assembled my machine, blah blah build myself it costs like $20-100 less when i get them to put it together for me for some reason and install windows also, basically its same as putting it together my self minus 30 minutes of labour when i get home

    11. Re:Help me steal crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I had this exact same problem with Time Warner cable recently. Bought the HDHomerun Prime, waited in line for an entire hour to get a cablecard, went back 3 days later for the extra magical channel signaling box (for digitally switched subchannels), and bam, nothing could handle it but Media Center with a super top secret realtime decryptor activeX control/dll. The entire stream from the cable company, to the HDHomerun box, through the cablecard and out is encrypted end to end. The stream is decrypted in realtime and sent only to the display/audio. Nothing can capture it in transit since it's going over HDMI and HDCP is in the loop doing its part.

      Time Warner isn't required by content providers to flag anything EXCEPT premium channels. All other channels can be marked "copy freely". However, the disturbing trend that TW and others are following is to flag every channel "copy once" which requires the elaborate decryption scheme. I hear about mythical cable providers here and there that don't do this, and wish that I had access to them, but there is zero competition in the cable space. Everyone has their regional fiefdoms.

      I ended up taking everything back to the store and TW and scrapping the whole project. I'm fed up with senseless copy protection schemes and feel that if I'm paying the cable company already, torrenting or grabbing shows from usenet is well within my rights. Why pay twice for the same thing, or pay TW a fee for using one of their crappy DVRs that won't skip commercials or perform other tricks that MythTV and XBMC can?

      Yes, I could have gone the analog route, and am still considering it, but optical audio introduces its own challenges, frequently falling out of sync with video. I've used a mixed HDMI video, optical audio solution and found it lagging.

    12. Re:Help me steal crap by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Yeah and one way or another I'll solve this problem, I figured I'd ask slashdot to try to fast-track a solution, but that doesn't really seem to be getting me anywhere. There's a vague reference to a technical means of circumventing the CCI byte, which seems like it would work but those who have done it seem mum on the issue, and understandably so.

      If it isn't via that means, then the cord will inevitably be cut. It's just a matter of figuring out how to convince everybody else in the house that they don't need live news (I already don't.)

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    13. Re:Help me steal crap by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Well, that's assuming you use the OEM install disk or recovery partition, which restores all of the crapplets and spamware back to the way it came to you.

      If you want a clean install, you still need to insert the proper key and activate upon installing with a clean disk. The only difference is you don't have to load the SLIC table into the bios ACPI memory because your computer already comes with that.

      OEM activations of windows almost always require a phone call to microsoft because they don't expect you to install with a clean disk, and when you do, they want to know what's up. I've been through the process, and it is even more annoying than the normal phone in activation. First you get the activation key and have to enter it in to the phone, but it's going to fail no matter what, and you have to enter it a second time only for it to fail again. After a long time of screwing with that, you'll finally get transferred to a guy in Mumbai who will ask you to read the sticker on the COA, ask how many different computers you have it installed on and if you have replaced the motherboard.

      Overall you're looking at spending at least 30 minutes on the phone. Meanwhile if you just use the Daz tool, you'll spend all of about the time it takes for your computer to reboot.

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  17. Rule #1 of Usenet by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Rule #1 of Usenet. You do not talk about Usenet...

    Whoops, too late.

    1. Re:Rule #1 of Usenet by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Except I'm not using usenet.

      Cheese I guess when they say people don't read TFS, they're right.

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  18. Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps someone should get TPB involved in creating a new NZB-indexing site. They've seemed to manage to keep alive torrenting, which has the same relation to the pirated content, so why wouldn't they be able to do the same for Usenet?

  19. Get a life? by Tim+Ward · · Score: 1

    As title. Get a life, then no need to watch the box.

    1. Re:Get a life? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      If by "Get a life" you mean "Get a wife, kids, and social obligations", then paying $100 a month for Cox cable is far cheaper.

    2. Re:Get a life? by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      That's no joke.

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  20. No Shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No shit, abusing the no record flag?

    Many of us saw that coming when they proposed adding it to the standard.

  21. Stop wanting so much. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2

    You keep wanting something that they do not want to give you. Until you realize this, you have taken the losing position. Move your dollars to service providers that provide content on your terms.

    1. Re:Stop wanting so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With TV cable companies that is simply not an option, at least in california. Cable is split into territories, and there's very little overlap. Your choices are: Cox and Time Warner. But the only way you can choose between them, is buy LIVING IN THEIR AREA.

      It's bullshit, it's anti competitive, and completely crazy. Welcome to california!

    2. Re:Stop wanting so much. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Move your dollars to service providers that provide content on your terms.

      Which service provider provides live broadcasts of ice hockey and MMA other than the cable companies that carry NHL and UFC?

    3. Re:Stop wanting so much. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      This is way too easy. NHL and UFC sell live streams you can get on your device of choice.

  22. DVBLink by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    It is probably what you want. I'm fairly certain its what I want as well.

    The problem is that it doesn't freaking support encrypted channels in the US either apparently, or at least last time I tried.

    I would absolutely love to get a raspberry pi to talk nicely with a Windows Media Center server, which apparently is easy as Pi ... in England :(

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  23. New hardware time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get STB from cable co. HDfury (hdcp stripper) and a capture card

    use something like mythtv or mediaportal as a backend server then connect xbmc to it.

    ~$300 in hardware depending on cost of the STB from your cable co

  24. i thought the broadcast flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was ripped from the law books by court rulings.... why are the coxuckers flagging every channel?

    complain to your local government that grants cox its local franchise (those agreements can be revoked ya know -- kick the fuckers out), complain to your state attorney general, complain to the fcc, complain to your senators and representatives, write a letter to the editor in your local news paper, contact the consumer affairs reporters for your local tv stations.

  25. Use the analog hole with something like a HD-PVR by Stradenko · · Score: 1

    Hauppauge's HD-PVR takes component input. It's an expensive and inelegant solution, but it's the one you're looking for.

  26. Are you listening, Big Media? by Scutter · · Score: 1

    But ideally I'd like to cut the cord completely as the service is otherwise useless.

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  27. Re:Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    You should try reading the summary a bit there hoss. It's somewhat difficult to torrent live broadcasts.

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  28. Re:Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try to find an episode of Caillou (kid's programming) it is actually kinda hard. the big name shows are the easy ones though, especially if it is adult oriented.

    tl;dr: little kid's shows are the hardest to find.

  29. Re:Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really? I've been seeing more and more stuff get some sort of numeric file name. The stuff is all being posted, but with scrambled names for some private communities I guess.

  30. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    I probably spend more on content than your monthly salary, and still have plenty left over.

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  31. its a tax by Stax · · Score: 1

    A television Tax.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom

  32. No antenna? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have been in DirectTV for over 10 years.
    They will install the antenna for cheap. (We got ours free through a promotion.)

    I watch the shows I want (L&O, Rizzoli & Isles, etc.) my wife watches her shows (Judge Judy, Duck Dynasty, etc).
    I have their DVD, so no idea on offline access. But still....

    My son has Netflix on his PC (when he is working!)

    Lots of options.

  33. when did this change? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    When did Cox turn flags on the content? I had a HDHOMRUNPRIME running on CableCARD last year until the Olympics melted the server. (was re-compressing to mp4 from MPEG-2, Q6600 just couldn't process that much video that fast.) I could record pretty much everything but HBO, Showtime etc. Now im just using antenna and the old school HDHomerun ATSC tuners so i havent tried premium cable in a while. Guess ill set it up at my in-laws and see what happens.

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    1. Re:when did this change? by Bigby · · Score: 1

      Use CableCard devices for most of your channels. And get an HD-PVR for those channels that are restricted. Cable boxes will have component video output for quite some time.

  34. You might be surprised at the # of local channels by SpiceWare · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Due to subchannels each station can broadcast multiple shows at the same time. Because of that there's 100+ OTA channels here in Houston. Sure I don't watch them all (as I don't speak Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese or Farsi) but I didn't watch all the channels available on DirecTV either.

    I cut the cord a couple months ago and for shows I can't get over the air I just buy them streaming via Amazon, iTunes, etc. or on blu-ray compilations. I've saved $162 in the past 2 months over what I had been paying DirecTV.

    If you're interested, these are my blog entries about my DVR project.

  35. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by almostinsane · · Score: 1

    And you still feel that you are entitled to piracy?

  36. Hauppauge pvr-1212 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hauppauge pvr-1212 and an cable box with Component Video outputs can circumvent the broadcast flags and still provide HD content.

  37. Six strikes stopping anyone? by KoshClassic · · Score: 1

    So is six strikes actually stopping anyone, or are people continuing to torrent?

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    1. Re:Six strikes stopping anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is six strikes actually stopping anyone, or are people continuing to torrent?

      Offshore seedbox, with VPN capability. Maybe $20 month...

    2. Re:Six strikes stopping anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Hopefully* anyone that receives on and googles "Six Strikes" or "Copyright Warning" or "Copyright Alert" will find a handy guide on how to select (non-logging) and set-op (OpenVPN client) of a VPN service. Problem solved.

    3. Re:Six strikes stopping anyone? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Not really, no.

      I have high enough bandwidth and a large NAS that I don't need a seedbox. VPN services cost about $4 a month if you buy in large timespans.

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  38. Go OTA by davenismi · · Score: 2

    I also went ota, built my own antenna and put it inside the garage up in the rafters.see http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/index.htm for lots of information and plans. I needed a pre-amp for the 90 feet of cable to my tvs. The nearest broadcaster is about 45 miles away. I get the standard stations: ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, FOX, and ION along with their sub-channels. That's 13 channels that come in very well nearly all the time. I also get several other channels, but not consistently.

  39. +1000 Go OTA by jddj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Been over-the-air for years.

    We get pristine 1080i network-supplied digital picture for free, no broadcast flag, a fair number of local channels, and Netflix, Amazon and Sony Playstation Store supply the rest over the internet.

    Haven't really done much with Hulu, but it's another opportunity for you to stream fresh content.

    I use MythTV and a HD Homerun tuner, running on Debian on a QNAP TS-119 (which draws something like 6 watts spun up). For TV frontends, I use the PS3, or a recent Mac Mini.Very reliable.

    Took a fair amount of setup, but all works great. My just-turned-five kid has been working the remote himself for about 18 months, getting lots of great commercial-free kids programming from PBS.

    Been forever since I've paid for cable TV.

  40. PlayOn aggregator by akinliat · · Score: 1

    There's a neat little transcoder called PlayOn (playon.tv) that connects to a whole host of online broadcasts, including all of the major cable and broadcast networks, Netflix, Hulu, and a few other things.

    Obviously, this is not a perfect solution, but it does allow Netflix to run via XBMC (or another UPNP frontend), and while you have a somewhat limited choice of episodes with the broadcast networks (usually only the last three episodes plus another one or two "important" episodes), the commercials at least show a countdown timer.

  41. Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by cshay · · Score: 1

    I too use OTA only, no cable. The problem is, I am a baseball and football fan. In the last 6-8 years or so Major League Baseball has sold something like 95% of the rights to local coverage of baseball to cable TV. Even the first round of the MLB playoffs are only on Cable. NFL Monday and Thursday night games are only on cable as well. The online Major League Baseball streaming is only for those games they haven't sold the rights for already (so you can't watch the local team). The online only NFL streaming from DirectTV costs $300/season.

    Even if you are not a sports fan, now that Comcast owns NBC, you can expect similar shenanigans for NBC programming.

    Finally, with an antenna, you sometimes have to readjust it between station changes. This makes DVRing with an inside the house antenna problematic.

    1. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not big on sports, so I haven't done the research you have - but it makes me curious how much money they are leaving on the table by not making games available as streams. I expect if the cable companies rigged up pay per view streams for all of the games they cover, they could bring in tons of money from folks not interested in huge season costs.

      Then again, I stopped letting TV rot my brain long ago! After all, every hour spent watching TV is an hour not spent playing video games...

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    2. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by spxero · · Score: 1

      I subscribe to MLB.tv for ~$120/year. This covers spring training, the regular season, and some of the post season. The rest of the post season was available last year for ~$5. I'm not sure how much money the MLB makes off of this, but I prefer this service over paying for cable or satellite and then the sports packages on top of all that.

      MLB.tv apps are available for all of my iOS, Android, XBMC, and computer. This service I GLADLY pay for over the $50+/mo cost of Cable TV for only a handful of games.

      I believe the NFL is still in agreement with dish over the "Sunday Ticket", otherwise their might be some hope to catch the one NFL game a week I care to see.

      Live sports are getting there, but just not at a quick pace.

    3. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by spxero · · Score: 1

      This may not be a great solution for you, but if you have an iOS or Android device that can spoof your location you can catch all the MLB.tv action by "putting" your device in a different state. As an A's fan living in Texas the out-of-market restriction isn't an issue, but now that 2/5 of the AL West is in Texas it may become burdensome.

    4. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by cshay · · Score: 1

      As I said, MLB already sold the local market rights to cable.

      So you cannot watch your local team play on MLB.TV. Essentially you get to watch everyone else play but your own team.

    5. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by cshay · · Score: 1

      You could also ask why cable companies do not do "ala carte" pay per channel. It is essentially same question.

      The answer is that cable's model is to induce you to pay for everything, including tons of stuff you don't want. Thet do this by getting a monopoly on certain content.

  42. Workaround Via The Analog Hole by Orphaze · · Score: 2

    To get around a similar situation with Comcast, I use an Hauppuage HD-PVR with my MythTV setup. It's basically a $160 USB device that takes the analog component output from your cable box, along with digital audio, and spits out an h264 file stream. It works, but there are some downsides: It's prone to needing bi-monthly to monthly power cycling due to hangs, there is a slight bit of quality loss since you're converting digital to analog back to digital (though the audio is untouched,) and you have to use an irblaster or firewire channel changer to control your cable box.

    All that being said, the quality loss is negligible (even on my 59" plasma) and I love the fact that I never again have to worry about my cable company mucking about with their channel encryption flags, frequencies, etc. If your cable box can view it, then you can record it. Period. Because of that, I put up with the HD-PVR's quirks while happily watching all the HD channels I have access to.

  43. Hauppauge HD PVR or Colossus by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    You still need your cable box for it to record, but if you get the channel, you can record it, and you can record it DRM free as well. Sadly, you need a cable box for each device as it uses your box itself to decode the video stream and simply captures that decoded stream.

    Before Google purchased SageTV, SageTV was actively fighting the fight against the copy flags on cable channels because it was circumventing consumer fair use rights by circumventing copyright law with encryption.

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  44. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    Yeah.

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  45. Dodgson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usenet. Usenet! WE'VE GOT USENET HERE!

    See? No one cares.

  46. Kill Your TV by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    Not really. But kill your cable. If your cable company is forcing you to use equipment that doesn't work well, and preventing you from tuning, recording and time-shifting with the system of your choice, fire them.

    I assume the problem with that is it's a tough sell for whoever in your house isn't gonna get to watch what she wants. Tough spot.

    What exactly is the programming that you haven't been able to find elsewhere? Maybe someone here knows the answer to that more specific question, i.e. where to find the particular stuff you want.

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    1. Re:Kill Your TV by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Mainly just live national news feeds.

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  47. Not sure about Cox, but here's how Comcast does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know how Cox does it, but as a Comcast agent (and one of the few people there that actualy UNDERSTANDS CabeCards, know about the CCI, the 2 aspect of CableCards: Conditional Access and Copy Protection) here's how they do it (in digital areas):

    Limited Basic: Copy freely
    Expanded Basic (no longer an explicit tier, is now part of Digital Starter): Copy freely
    Digital Starter: Copy freely
    Digital Preferred: Mostly Copy freely except for Encore and Bravo, which are copy-once in at least some areas).
    Premium channels (HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, Starz, TMC): Copy once.
    PPV: Copy never

    I am certin on the above based on offical Comcast documentation and personal experience. As for the other stuff: The Sport and Entertainment Package, Multilatino/Selecto and international channels are probably copy-freely; Playboy and EPIX are probably copy-once.

    Hate Comcast all you want, but at least as far as copy protection is pretty permissive - most content copy-freely; copy protection is only applied when Comcast is contractually required to apply it) . Comcast is actually one of the more clueful companies with CableCard, even if the reps aren't - but like most reps they are low-pay, low maintence ( just need to be provided plenty of sunlight and a twice-weekly watering).

    Its entirely possible something configured wrong at the headend. Such a problem would be almost undetecable - only devices that participate in Conditional Access but not Copy Protection would notice this. Customer owned-CableCard devices are a very small subset of devices; Conditonal access-only CableCard device are a very small subset of THAT subset. You coudl call COX and explain, though i doubt the rep will know what you're talking about (or even if they do, what to do about it).

    DSLreports has offically sactioned forums for customers of certain ISP's customer, and even in the unoffical forums many employees often stop either offical or unoffically, and may be able to resolve this issue.

  48. here are some hints. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had to do illegal stuff to get rid of the flag.
    first configure your HDHR to act as an actuall DVB device in your recording server. This requires installing some drivers. Then you need to open up your cable card and wire it to your PC via rs232.

    Then you need VDR-SC inside there you will find a package SASC-NG and modify it to work with your cable card just look at the source. This will convert your cable card into a server and many clients can connect to it even people from other houses. This is where it turns illegal IMHO.

    Since you installed the driver for HDHR you can access the stream in chunks the whole and record all the TV programs in that channel or transport stream. I hope you know the difference between physical and virtual channel. And SACS will decrypt it for you and leave you with a named mpeg file.

    If you're using satellite is easier specially if is dishnetwork. You need a smart card reader and a DVB-S tuner. and the same software. Also satellite is better because the HD streams are in MPEG4 format which translates to HDD space saving. You can read more about it here

    1. Re:here are some hints. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the cablecard in my hand, not sure how it comes apart. Perhaps there is a pinout for connecting this to a DB9? Or is there an actual ISO7816 module inside?

      I don't know C at all, but I'll learn it if I have to in order to get around the annoying CCI problem.

      Drop me a mail, username jkeeshd at the google gmail.com

  49. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you mind if I pop into your house and borrow your couch? I'll bring back when I am 'done' with it. How about your car? Hell, how about I just move into your house. Your not really using the rest of the space.

    Just because you make money does not mean you are being a cheap ass. I knew a guy who made 150k a year. Drove a car he bought in the 70s and ate peanut butter sandwiches every day. Not because he LIKED it that way. He was cheap.

  50. Re:Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    You should try reading the summary a bit there hoss. It's somewhat difficult to torrent live broadcasts.

    Read the summary? Read the article, what is the fun in that?

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  51. Re:Shows on Usenet hard to find? what? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    try to find an episode of Caillou (kid's programming) it is actually kinda hard. the big name shows are the easy ones though, especially if it is adult oriented.

    tl;dr: little kid's shows are the hardest to find.

    yes, i agree, Kid shows are harder to find, unless they are like super hero cartoons. Nerds, go figure.

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  52. Just Answers, No Judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like my (admittedly geeky) setup.

    I bought a Raspberry Pi, installed the OpenELEC build with XBMC and hooked it all up though a wireless router with dd-wrt configured as a wireless bridge.

    Media can be accessed from any Windows/SAMBA share on the network. I store media on an old desktop or external drives attached to that desktop.

    After all expenses, it was about $100 total for the Pi, a case, used router and HDMI cable (I'm not counting the desktop that I had anyway). XBMC can be controlled via an Android or iOS device with free software and it's been able to play just about anything I've thrown at it, with a few exceptions.

    As for *ahem* "content acquisition", just buy any one of several no-logs VPN services for about $30/year if you're worried about it. PrivateInternetAccess.com, for example, costs about $40/year, accepts bitcoins for anonymity, offers IPSEC connectivity and at least claims to not maintain any logs.

    No, unfortunately, the Pi can't do Netflix (yet ... that may change once Android runs properly on the Pi), but I have my phone, tablet and laptop for that. Yeah, I know it's an incomplete solution.

    1. Re:Just Answers, No Judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any further details on this?

      I have the cablecard in my hand, not sure how it comes apart. Perhaps there is a pinout for connecting this to a DB9? Or is there an actual ISO7816 module inside?

      I don't know C at all, but I'll learn it if I have to in order to get around the annoying CCI problem.

      Drop me a mail, username jkeeshd at the google gmail.com

  53. Just use Windows Media Center by rrp · · Score: 2

    I know this will be unpopular here (and trust me, I hate it as much as you guys do), but just keep using Windows Media Center. I have Time Warner Cable, so pretty much all channels are copy-once, except the broadcast channels. I started off using MythTV + Hauppauge HD-PVR. It was decent, but it wasn't totally reliable. Plus I still had to pay $12/month for the simple cable box (no dvr, only one tuner). So when the CableCard tuners came out, I instantly jumped on it. So for $2/month I can record 4 channels. And sure it sucks to have to run Windows, but WMC is still leaps and bounds better than anything offered by the cable cos even though it hasn't been updated in years. Plus I can use my Xbox 360 to watch tv (both live and recorded) in another room.

    1. Re:Just use Windows Media Center by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      Windows media center is *ok* overall, but it has many blatant issues. For starters, every now and then when you bring the computer out of standby, it complains about not having a protected media path (something about "certain video drivers are missing" I'd have to look it up.) It also just out of nowhere will say there are no available tuners, even though nobody is using any tuners at all except that instance of WMC (microsoft is aware of this bug, but won't release a patch.) WMC will also complain about low signal even though the signal is fine (another known bug, microsoft won't patch.)

      Maybe I'm just an unlucky guy, but ALL of these issues show up for me.

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    2. Re:Just use Windows Media Center by rrp · · Score: 1

      I never put my computer on standby because half the time Windows itself crashes, so I never experience that issue. I don't have any problem with it complaining that there are no available tuners or low signal quality, but I have heard that other people have that problem. But even with those problems, I'd still rather save the $10/month (or $40 if you had a STB for every tuner) by using the cablecard tuner, as the hd-pvr isn't any more reliable.

    3. Re:Just use Windows Media Center by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Well I shouldn't say standby. The computer stays up, but when you turn off the monitor and the AVR, it puts those into standby. Turning them back on while WMC is running creates problems. Sometimes even turning them on while WMC isn't running also creates HDCP handshake issues, and the same thing happens.

      Either way, it's far too unreliable to be useful.

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  54. Blanket copy restricted is not allowed by mattack2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you truly mean *all* channels, even rebroadcasts of OTA channels, are protected, then this is against the FCC's rules, and you should file a FCC complaint.

    Also, if *other channels* don't want themselves to be protected and they are being protected, you can help get them unprotected (I have seen people talk on tivocommunity.com of having this work on their cable systems).

    1. Re:Blanket copy restricted is not allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a little fyi:

      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/10/15/1855245/fcc-to-allow-cable-companies-to-encrypt-over-the-air-channels

      The FCC really dropped the ball on this ruling.

    2. Re:Blanket copy restricted is not allowed by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      OK, I guess you're right. I originally had thought of mentioning that I knew Comcast was asking for a waiver, but I hadn't realized it had gotten that far. Has it actually gone into effect anywhere? I have recently had cable cards still able to give me a channel lineup when in the un-setup state (sorry, don't remember the proper term -- I didn't even get most basic channels, but I did get the equivalent of OTA).. Before calling the cable company to match it with one of my Tivos.

  55. Re:Not sure about Cox, but here's how Comcast does by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    I've spoken with some within cox about it. I wrote this in my original submission, but the editor removed it.

    Basically what they told me is that in most areas it is basically identical to what you do at comcast, including Atlanta where Cox is based. However in my area they just flag everything copy once. The heads of each respective area say they are following corporate policy, yet clearly not all of them are.

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  56. Not for sports fan household by tepples · · Score: 1

    the few live events you're interested in

    "Few" live events? One householder in my survey sample told me that he has all the Internet access he needs at work and that in a money crunch, he would rather take Internet access away from the wife and three kids than give up his NHL ice hockey and UFC fights.

  57. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    The MPAA isn't going to miss their episode of doobie while I borrow it. Fail analogy.

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  58. Imagine a cable-only World Series by tepples · · Score: 1

    Even the first round of the MLB playoffs are only on Cable.

    It gets worse. Imagine if some rounds of the World Series were on cable. That's exactly what happened with the NHL Stanley Cup finals in 2012: two games were televised on what is now NBC Sports Network, a cable channel.

  59. Cox suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Subscribers to Cox cable that only find out about all these things after they signed their contracts are colloquially known as "Cox suckers"

  60. Macrovision by tepples · · Score: 1

    How about dropping digital cable entirely and just ripping from analog channels?

    If they're encrypting their digital channels with DTCP, the decoder box is probably adding the analog copy protection signal formerly known as Macrovision to the analog output too.

  61. An appetite for sports by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is an appetite for sports necessarily "a massive appetite"? US OTA doesn't carry much baseball, basketball, ice hockey, or MMA.

    1. Re:An appetite for sports by Arker · · Score: 1

      But internet sources in general carry massive amounts of it.

      The major league folks are always tightly in bed with their chosen network, and make a real effort to shut down sites that help people get around them, but last time I checked (for a sports-junky friend) they werent much harder to find than other types of tv.

      Personally, I am not a huge sports fan, and maybe I would feel differently if I was, but the way that all the major league balls games in the US are televised it's 98% marketing/ads and 2% sport anyway. I dont see how people stand it. I'd rather watch bootlegs of no-name teams from other countries when I get the urge to see a ballgame, because that way I will actually see a ball game instead of a marketing extravaganza with some snippets from a ballgame used to break up the commercials, but ymmv.

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  62. Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1

    One possible answer for sports is go to the bar to watch the game.

    Not if you live in a 21-to-enter state and have kids. Or what chain of all-ages sports restaurants do you recommend?

    1. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      One possible answer for sports is go to the bar to watch the game.

      Not if you live in a 21-to-enter state and have kids. Or what chain of all-ages sports restaurants do you recommend?

      a) Hooters (You don't have to be 21 to eat there. My daughter likes it there -- the waitresses treat her like a princess.)

      b) Buffalo Wild Wings

      c) Lil' Cooperstown

      There are probably others. These are the ones in my area, your mileage may vary.

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  63. MythTV and OTA Antenna by DaveJ45 · · Score: 2

    Using MythTV (the Mythbuntu variant) and an OTA antenna with a pair of HDHomerun dual tuners was my own answer to getting rid of a massively bloated cable bill.The most surprising result, six months later, is that those 'cable' shows that were going to be sacrificed, and sorely missed, simply turned out not to be so important after all. Let's face it, most folks have a finite amount of viewing time available, and as it turns out, shows that were scrapped were quickly replaced by other shows, and became replacement 'favorites' instead. Shows that had not been watched previously, due to the amount of available viewing time, turned out to be just as enjoyable as the ones they replaced. Let's face it, none of the stuff aired on ANY network or cable lineup is all that exceptional in the first place, it's not really all that hard to find something that can be an equally mindless diversion.

    The biggest surprise in our particular household was how large the percentage of viewing shifted to PBS, for both adult and children's programming, as well as discovering that the OTA antenna could also (in my location) receive a couple of Canadian signals which have excellent programming, that had never been offered through the local Comcast cable feed. Sure, there's always the option of online streaming for some programming now and again, but far, far less that we initially expected.

    On the technical side, I now have the ability to actually record up to five signals at once, more if I use the multiplexing feature of HDTV broadcasts. The old DVR could handle two, and no multiplexing capability. Storage is limited to what *I* decide it will be. Instead of being stuck with 60-120 hours of non-HD programming, and no option to expand beyond that because I'm stuck with a DVR that actually supports expandable storage but is locked out of doing so by a cable provider. With 3.5TB of storage online, I can handle 500 hours of HD programming easily, and I can expand that to the limits of what I want to invest in HD space. Last but not least, all of my recorded media is available on every TV in the house, using either dedicated frontend machines, Laptops running XBMC, and in the case of my toddler, a Raspberry Pi based frontend to service his own viewing requirements of his favorite shows, plus ripped versions of his DVD collection, all on demand, (with a little assistance from Mom and Dad).

    Not to say that there were no hurdles to overcome, and to set up a fully networked MythTV setp does require an investment in equipment and time, as well as some routine maintenance, but now all five TVs in my house have full access to 30 OTA channels, any and all scheduled recordings, an extensive music collection, online photo viewing, weather reporting, selected online news feeds, as well as an extensive DVD collection. No cable company that I am aware of offers this type of all in one media solution, and based on what I was paying for the paltry level of service I was previously subscribed to, with constant price increases looming in the future, I'm one very happy cable cutter these days!

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  64. Re:GET A JOB AND YOU WON"T HAVE TO STEAL YOUR SHIT by tepples · · Score: 1

    I probably spend more on content than your monthly salary, and still have plenty left over.

    Is your employer hiring?

  65. You know, those torrents are illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are copyrighted content? But I suppose you don't care.

  66. Older TVs without VGA or HDMI by tepples · · Score: 1

    There's also the problem of connecting a computer to an older TV that lacks VGA and HDMI inputs. My survey sample includes a sports fan who owns a projection CRT HDTV monitor. No, that's not a misprint; it was one of the early sets designed for 1080i component input, which he bought with the house.

  67. bw-3 and PPV by tepples · · Score: 1

    Thank you. The restaurant with an owl for a mascot left my home town recently. I'll try to recommend Buffalo Wild Wings as an option, but I don't know whether these restaurants are allowed to carry pay-per-view events like UFC.

    1. Re:bw-3 and PPV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BWW does in fact show UFC PPVs, at least the ones here by me.

  68. JUST LIKE VINYL, ANALOG IS STILL KING!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Snapstream BeyondTV and capture analog signal through an mpeg encoder card and a serial cable to control the receiver (You can also use an IRblaster). Once recorded the program re-encodes into AVI (DIVX)..... Been using it for many years and still works like a champ.... Great Product.....Hope this helps....

  69. Supposedly you can work around the CCI flag by glitchvern · · Score: 1

    According to this comment from slashdot user guantamanera, it is possible to strip off the cci flag when using the HDHomerun Prime you own with a modified VDR-SC. HDHomerun Prime is one of the three cable card tuners available for pc's. The other two are the Hauppauge WinTV DCR-2650 and the Ceton InfiniTV 4. I have no idea if it is possible with the other two. According to an AC who commented in that thread

    VDR-SC is one of the many cardsharing and softcam emulators out there. I preffer SASC-NG. These tools were meant for DVB Satellite(dishnetwork) but they're easily modifiable to be used in NA cable providers. In cardsharing mode, just like the name suggest the card can be shared with multiple devices or people, and it can leave you with a clear stream no flags.

    A softcam is a software conditional access module. Softcam's make cardsharing possible allowing multiple receivers to share a single smart card to decrypt a satellite DVB stream. After reading that thread and looking into it, I can find no documentation anywhere on how to get any softcam to operate with a cable card tuner at all much less strip out the copy control information. It would make sense that is possible though, the cable card standard is somewhat related to DVB standards. If anyone knows how please reply. Good luck AlphaWolf_HK if you attempt to go down this road. I'd like to know if you manage to get this working.

    1. Re:Supposedly you can work around the CCI flag by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I've been working towards that route, but I can't find enough information on what exactly I am supposed to do. I've actually set up a DVB driver, but getting the softcam to work is where I'm confused. I'm not quite sure what kind of CAM the cablecard is supposed to be analogous to (e.g. videoguard, nagra, etc) as only a limited selection seem to be emulated, nor do I know how the decrypt keys are supposed to be extracted after they are generated by the ASIC.

      Traditional DVB CAM's use ISO7816, which is basically just an RS232 port embedded on to a credit card. Cablecards are a form factor with some variation of PCMCIA.

      If anybody finds any info, username jkeeshd "en la" gmail.com

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  70. In short, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cryptographic requirements associated with CableCARD tuners require things like signed bootloaders, signed, encrypted firmware, and hardware that is locked down to prevent most levels of attack. Additionally, since the entire security setup is based on good old public key infrastructure, devices that get exploited can have their certificates revoked. Since certificates are supposed to be burned into the device at the factory, that would essentially brick thousands of devices. So, if someone finds a way around it, then if they have any sense they won't fucking post about it on Slashdot. There's talk of attacks on the CableCARDs themselves, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense because the card is supposed to re-encrypt the stream for transmission to the host when the channel is copy protected, and the CCI delivery from the card to the host is protected with hashes of various bits of data to prevent MITM attacks. Unless the people designing the card hardware were incredibly incompetent and left an unprotected bus sitting around, then attacking the card seems just as difficult. Then again, the R5000 addon for a dozen different satellite receivers works by getting at unprotected buses, so maybe there are just a lot of incompetent hardware designers around.

    1. Re:In short, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a tivo you just have to solder a chip, and it only costs $16. These will set all the flags to 0x00 Copy freely. You can buy it from here. Well besides the chipsoldering you also have to load a different kernel, bu the point is that it works. Most satellite systems are also hacked. Encryption has not been hacked but the hardware has, and you can manipulate it to do things for you. And don't get me started on hardware cloning all you need is a JTAG.

    2. Re:In short, no by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I don't believe this to be accurate, and with good reason.

      As another AC pointed out, you can hack tivos to ignore the CCI byte. I've actually done so myself, namely by breaking the chain of trust. You reprogram the prom to not check the kernel, which then doesn't check the tivoapp binary. You then patch tivoapp to ignore the CCI byte. Over at dealdabase, we've been doing this for years with no problems.

      However I need this for more than one TV, which with tivo gets very expensive very fast. And XBMC does things so much better than tivo (which is ad laden, even with my lifetime subscription.) I just want to move away from that platform and be done with it, but I do have mine set up to ignore the CCI byte. Since only one of my tivos is hacked like this, the MRV function is useless anyways, and I don't care about tivotogo, so there's not much point in having it hacked to begin with other than some other things which tivo should have done a long time ago, but won't.

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    3. Re:In short, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tivo's entire system is pretty ripe for hacking. The separate PROM makes it relatively easy to break the lowest level in the chain, and such a thing doesn't exist on the Prime or the Ceton. The fact that Tivo is running Linux on an open architecture makes it easy for people with experience to replace bits of the kernel to bypass poorly implemented protections, and the divider between kernel and userspace makes it easier to fake things for userspace binaries and keep them all running and intact. Compare that to the Prime or the Ceton card, which are running proprietary RTOSes on closed platforms that don't really have the same concept of kernelspace vs. userspace. It's closer to bypassing a locked bootloader on a smartphone, except instead of being able to load Cyanogenmod and have a useful phone, you're left with a brick because you have no OS and nothing to run on it.

      As an aside, how did this make it on /. anyway? The topic of the post might as well be Ask Slashdot: How do I best violate the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA? The law is idiotic and the people who created it should be thrown in jail for pissing on the first amendment, but it's still the law, and it was created precisely to prohibit what you want to do here.

  71. Alternative solution by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

    I'm tired of using Windows Media Center due to bugs and other problems, but since the channels are flagged it is the only option.

    I'm reading at +4 and haven't really seen many possible solutions. How about looking at it another way ... what exactly are the "bugs and other problems" you're having?

    Maybe we can resolve those so that you can continue to use WMC?

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    1. Re:Alternative solution by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I've posted it elsewhere in the comments, but basically it comes down to HDCP handshake problems (which non CCI-affected users don't have) as well as a number of bugs that microsoft has already stated that they know about but aren't going to fix (WMC is basically derelict.)

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    2. Re:Alternative solution by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      Sorry just seen your reply and not much I can do to help I'm afraid. I know the pain about W7MC being derelict, I was hoping for great things with W8MC and nothing came.

      One possible workaround would be to not set the HTPC to sleep when it's idle (since, for me, Remote Potato won't work when it's sleeping) and, instead get it to go to sleep at a fixed time, wake up at a fixed time (using a scheduled task) and then immediately reboot.

      In my set-up, I have a task that runs at midnight which checks if nothing is recording and, if not, puts the computer to sleep. I then have a scheduled task that runs at 7am in the morning (so forcing the computer to wake up), waits 10 seconds and (if nothing is recording) reboots. I'm happy to share the scripts with you if you want, but I'm pretty sure you can work it out yourself.

      This isn't quite as power efficient as your current set-up but ... the handshake issue will go, you'll have a stable platform (since W7MC seems to need a reboot to run okay) and you'll still have 6 hours (25% of the time) where the box is drawing very low power.

      Might be better than nothing?

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  72. Use a mac with Elgato eyeTV by joenospamblo · · Score: 1

    a mac with Elgato eyeTV will ignore the cable Do Not Copy flag. eyeTV supports the HDHomeRun as an input device and can receive any Clear QAM cable TV signal.

  73. Pfffffft..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bittorrent is your friend - you can find most everything online these days - even sports! Granted, you're not watching it as it happens, but then again, with digital delay, you really aren't anyways.... Go OTA and download the rest!

  74. Do you mean something _other_ than local TV? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I've already dropped my cable tier to the lowest possible for some basic digital channels that people in my household still watch and aren't available over torrents.

    The "obvious" thing (which is so obvious, that I wonder if I'm wrong!) is that an OTA antenna plugged into your HDHR will pick up what you're talking about, because the only thing you can't easily pirate, also just happens to be the only thing that is legally available+playable: local TV stations. No?

    If that's not what you're talking about, then just what content are you talking about? Please give an example. A show name, anything.

    Is the issue that your local geography makes OTA unviable? If so, then maybe your city needs its own "scene." ;-) I wonder if municipalities ought to start actively suporting such a thing, as an alternative to cable franchises. If Cox is setting the turn-away-customers bit, it may be that no one cares about your market area anyway, so why not?

    And what's with the "no transcoding" constraint? You didn't explain why that's important. If you're cursed with having to stream over wifi (no copper LAN in the house), transcoding is damn useful for reducing the OTA MPEG2 bitrates.

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  75. Blackout by tepples · · Score: 1

    NHL and UFC sell live streams

    If I don't misunderstand what I've read about these streams, they're blacked out in areas where the event has been sold to a cable system.

    1. Re:Blackout by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      So spend your entertainment budget elsewhere and stop feeling entitled to things.

  76. Selfish HOH by tepples · · Score: 1

    So spend your entertainment budget elsewhere

    That doesn't help if the head of household cares so much about NHL and UFC that he would disconnect Internet before disconnecting pay TV. All his own use of the Internet can be done at the office, and because the house is in his name, he feels entitled to take the other four people in the household off the Internet should money become tight. I've spoken with somebody in my extended family who holds exactly this view.