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Defense Dept. Directed To Disclose Domestic Drone Use

An anonymous reader writes "The U.S. House of Representatives has voted to make the Pentagon disclose whether military drones are being used in U.S. airspace to spy on U.S. citizens. This follows Rand Paul's filibuster on the floor of the Senate in which he demanded answers from the Obama administration as to whether drone strikes on U.S. soil were a possibility. (Senator Paul received an amusingly brief response (PDF) to his 13-hour question.) From the article: 'A requirement buried in a lengthy appropriations bill calls on newly confirmed Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to disclose to Congress what "policies and procedures" are in place "governing the use" of military drones or other unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) domestically. The report is due no later than 90 days after the bill is signed into law. The vote on the bill, which was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats, comes as concerns about domestic use of drones have spiked. ...The House's language stops short of requiring Hagel to disclose whether he or his predecessor have taken the step of approving the targeting of any U.S. citizens for surveillance.'"

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  1. And remember, by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if there's nothing to disclose, it just means they're not telling us!

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    1. Re:And remember, by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is an extraordinary amount the U.S. government doesn't tell us because they think we don't care. We oblige them by being apathetic.

    2. Re:And remember, by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry... I stopped paying attention after the first few words. What was your point again?

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  2. So you don't waste your time... by canadiannomad · · Score: 5, Informative

    The PDF download response is kinda funny... But basically not worth the download...

    It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: "Does the
    President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in
    combat on American soil?" The answer to that question is no.

    I'm glad... Now if hopefully they will keep it that way...
    I won't hold my breath.

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    1. Re:So you don't waste your time... by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "engaged in combat" is can be interpreted many ways.

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    2. Re:So you don't waste your time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Due Process" has become something different from what most people think as well.

      Most people believe that means the suspect would be taken into custody and have a fair trial but in an unguarded moment in an interview Holder said that "due process" now only requires some consideration from someone in the executive branch.

    3. Re:So you don't waste your time... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not kidding. It's already been ruled by the SCOTUS that mere speech amounts to "material support for terrorism". I wouldn't be surprised if Holder argued that speech was combat as well.

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    4. Re:So you don't waste your time... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If speech is material support, then banning material support is unconstitutional under the first amendment.

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  3. What's really sad about this by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 2007, it was the Democrats screaming for full disclosure about Bush's violations of civil liberties, while Republicans in Congress were doing everything they could to protect their dear leader. In 2013, the roles are reversed, but the play is basically the same.

    Why is it that so few politicians are willing to say "All violations of civil liberties are wrong, regardless of who's party is currently in control of the presidency?"

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    1. Re:What's really sad about this by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because such violations benefit the party currently in control. And politicians are not renowned for thinking ahead enough to realize that the other side will be in control one day, nor are they renowned for putting their principles before their party.

    2. Re:What's really sad about this by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THIS. Obama even ran partially on that whole transparency thing... but now transparency is, I assume, some sort of national threat because we wouldn't want rogue nations to know what we're ... doing ... with drones ... on American soil ... errrrr.... maybe if we *aren't* doing it, then terrorists will feel safer.

      It's like watching a football game. Root for your team. Smear the opposing team. Doesn't matter what you do, as long as you win. When the refs make calls that you don't like, blame the ref, not your actions (assuming the call was fair).

    3. Re:What's really sad about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've been misled by the politicized summary.

      The reason Democrats voted against this bill (which is a gigantic bill that has nothing to do with drones for the most part) is not, as the anonymous submitter would like you to believe, because it would have required the DOD to disclose the policies regarding the use of drones. It is because it was a Republican-produced appropriations bill that reflects Republican fiscal priorities that Democrats hate. The tiny rider in the bill probably had nothing to do with it.

  4. Wrong by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Informative

    In fact, the US government has historically been more limited in what it does domestically than abroad. Voice of America, for example, is a propaganda broadcast that cannot be broadcast within the United States but which was famously broadcast along the USSR's borders.

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  5. Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but... by jettoblack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "'Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?' The answer to that question is no."

    So what does "not engaged in combat" mean, and who gets to decide? Would you be surprised if a future executive order defines political opponents or whistle blowers as "engaged in combat"?

  6. What a joke by ahabswhale · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This whole thing is a charade. Why is the question restricted to drones? The government has had a million ways to spy on citizens or kill them within US borders long before drones came along. It's not like drones make it more possible.

    I will give Rand a +1 for actually trying to do a real filibuster instead of that new modern bullshit but he gets -5 for really just trying to make some political points with the tea party.

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  7. It is called the US Constitution! by JayInPlano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember not to long ago when the Tea Party made the US House of Representatives read aloud most of the Constitution (not the three filth's part or Prohibition). I guess you weren't paying attention or don't believe in it. Any Bigfoot sightings anyone?