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North Korea Kills Phone Line, 1953 Armistice; Kim Jong Un's Funds Found In China

eldavojohn writes "Last week, North Korea promised a "preemptive nuclear strike" prior to a UN vote on new sanctions. Despite the threat, the sanctions were unanimously approved. North Korea has responded by killing a Red Cross hotline with Seoul and claims that it has canceled the 1953 Armistice although the UN notes this cannot be done unilaterally (North Korea attempted the same thing in 2003 and 2009). While everyone thought that Kim Jong Un would ride out the sanctions on slush funds, the United States claims to have found his funds in Shanghai and other parts of China totaling hundreds of millions of dollars. Beijing has reportedly refused to confiscate these funds despite voting for the very UN resolutions sanctioning North Korea that read: 'More specifically, States are directed to prevent the provision of financial services or the transfer of any financial or other assets or resources, including 'bulk cash,' which might be used to evade the sanctions.'"

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  1. Oh? by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 4, Funny

    North Korea again? I've seen this movie before. It sucked the first time.

    1. Re:Oh? by AkaTopher · · Score: 4, Funny

      But...but North Korea is best Korea!

    2. Re:Oh? by es330td · · Score: 5, Funny

      This kind of reminds me of Michael Keaton's character in "Multiplicity" wherein he says "You know how when you make a copy of a copy, it's not as sharp as... well... the original." Each iteration of the " Leader" gets a little less stable than its predecessor. Given this one's extreme youth and actions thus far, I wonder if we will ever see round 4 of this franchise.

    3. Re:Oh? by 1s44c · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This kind of reminds me of Michael Keaton's character in "Multiplicity" wherein he says "You know how when you make a copy of a copy, it's not as sharp as... well... the original." Each iteration of the "<insert adjective> Leader" gets a little less stable than its predecessor. Given this one's extreme youth and actions thus far, I wonder if we will ever see round 4 of this franchise.

      I somehow doubt that someone of his age and inexperience is really in charge. I suspect Kim Jong Un is really a figurehead while North Korea is being run by the top brass of their army.

    4. Re:Oh? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here is my exact view: North Korea wants to be invaded, because of the spoils of war that the US will bring it. Imagine getting wiped off the globe by the US in a 3 day war, and then have the next 10 years of "Nation Building" infrastructure improvements that we've become accustomed to giving the vanquished foes. It is brilliant plan!

      I do believe there was a movie with this same plot, though I don't recall the title off hand.

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    5. Re:Oh? by nobodyknowsimageek · · Score: 5, Informative

      There was a book, subsequently made into a move: "The Mouse that Roared". The only flaw in their plan was that their tiny little invasion force actually landed on the East Coast, managed to capture a Doomsday device the US had built, and thereby won the war. Hilarity ensued!

  2. Well, of course China wants to keep NK as it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That way they can point to a country and say to its people: "See, you CAN do worse. Now get back to work."

  3. for the seventh time since 1993 by Charlu · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      lol that one comment is enough to put everything in perspective. N Korea's upset, and that's it.

      Story's closed, no more comments needed.

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    2. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      North Korea is like a Facebook drama queen that has to post every other day about how some nonspecific HORRIBLE new thing just happened to them, please post on their walls to validate their existence. On Facebook the only way to deal with them is to ignore them (or unfriend) until they get the point, but I'm not sure how well this will work with an entire country. One thing is certain though, feeding the troll only makes it worse.

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    3. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is - governments outside of North Korea feel it would be a bad move to cut them totally off and let their population starve to death. So they keep going back to the bargaining table, basically offering to trade food for nukes. We give them the food, then NK realizes that their nuclear program is their *only* bargaining chip... so they find something trivial to get mad about regarding the food shipments and pull out of the agreement (after a fair amount of the food has been delivered, of course).

      Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    4. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fuck China. They allow NK to keep hassling the world. Luckily, karma's a bitch, and when the whole edifice comes crashing down, guess whose problem all those refugees are? Not South Korea, no thanks to the DMZ.

      China deserves North Korea.

    5. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by ldobehardcore · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The game theory here is very frustrating. Given the goals we want to achieve (nuclear disarmament) and the constraints we have (the North Korean people should suffer as little as possible) and the methods available (diplomatic attempts at disarmament, full embargo, all-out war, and brinksmanship) there's really no way to go forward and get what we want without either a lot of North or South Korean blood on our hands.
       

      • We could stop sending food aid to increase pressure, but the innocent people in NK will starve.
      • We could attempt diplomacy as usual, but that's simply ineffective and a waste of time since the regime won't ever be serious with us.
      • We could go to war and try to kill/depose all of the top brass, but it would be an unpopular war, kill a lot of innocent NK and SK people, get China pissed as hell at us, and be incredibly expensive.
        • War would also put China in the shitty position of having to deal with a gigantic influx of refugees who would be an economic burden and wouldn't be able to socially integrate.

      Then we have brinksmanship. Up until the 1990s our strategy was to attempt diplomatic disarmament, but during the 1990s that broke down pretty badly. Today we're playing a brinksmanship game while still attempting to send aid and trying to work on disarmament. This is just peachy for the NK top brass. They get to make any ridiculous proclamations they want, refuse to disarm, and get food aid anyway. Meanwhile, China is backing them in order to keep from dealing with refugees.

      I can't see any way out. I'd be hopeful of revolution, which makes sense if it were a country with a Westernized culture, but the NK regime is too powerful, and the people are too uneducated and isolated to free themselves. It's a perfect storm, and any solution to the problem of NK is going to be VERY ugly to say the least. It won't have any net positive for many years, any way you try to slice up the situation.

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    6. Re:for the seventh time since 1993 by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your rationale is sound.

      My alternative:

      There might be the surprise olive branch, with China breathing down their necks. Then they could be Gadaffi'd out of business.

      Or, nice palace military coup with a few years of malaise wouldn't be too rough, although crappy for the civilians. Then, a pseudo-democratic autocracy, followed by a more popular revolution when people actually get some food in their tummies.

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  4. Every Year by bkmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Was stationed in S. Korea many years ago. Every year, the U.S. has conducted a large-scale joint military maneuver with the ROK. Every year, N. Korea goes on a rant about the exercise. Usually their rant is just the usual propaganda about an impending invasion, and their great General Kim Il Sung foiled the Imperialists once again until next year. But now that they have a new Fuhrer, maybe he feels he needs to kick it up a notch to be noticed. N. Korea is a dangerous country, but 99% of their rhetoric is for internal propaganda purposes. Maybe the recent rebellions in the Middle East + new leader + China no longer being their unconditional ally are taking a psychological toll.

  5. Re:Well, of course China wants to keep NK as it is by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also because the regime would probably decide to go out in a blaze of glory (or rather bombs and chemical weapons.) Even if they didn't cause major damage in their death throes, North Korea collapsing would mean a flood of North Korean refugees coming into the country, even closer to starving than they are now and not really useful for anything other than worshiping their leader. And NK is a bargaining chip for China anyway.

  6. This cannot be done unilaterally? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... although the UN notes this cannot be done unilaterally ...

    I'm pretty that a cease-fire CAN be broken unilaterally. All you have to do is start attacking the other side again.

    1. Re:This cannot be done unilaterally? by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, that's breaking a cease-fire. What they were trying to do was cancel it in a more politically-friendly way. You've played Civilization, right?

    2. Re:This cannot be done unilaterally? by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Otherwise they send you a strongly worded letter. Ask Mr Brix about that.

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  7. Re:Stop it by Crypto+Cavedweller · · Score: 4, Funny

    One is reminded of the classic Dilbert with Dogbert selling a suitcase nuke to the North Elbonians: "Our slingshot can fling this a hundred yards, is that enough?" *wag* "That's plenty."

  8. Re:Stop it by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    WikiLeaks' Julian Assange has revealed that John McAfee has smuggled 5,000,000 ::Cue::Cats to the DPRK. A young boy by the name of Sinuj has dug out his C64 from where it was hidden under a chickencoop and is liveblogging the amazing changes to his country as the regime collapses. Apple is going to be the first to break the sanctions by opening a Apple store in Pyongyang and a 20,000,000 sqft factory in the suburbs. SCO is suing Kim Jong Un over the blatant infringement of their copyrights in his "Klinux" operating system.

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  9. Re:The new HSBC by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn, it feels good to be a banksta.

  10. Re:China supports them.... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree China is supporting NK. I disagree that a war between the US and NK would benefit China. I think China is betting war will never happen even though they support NK.

  11. Re:China supports them.... by bkmoore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Korean war would not serve China's political goals. It would put American troops on the Yalu river. China almost certainly has a contingency plan for a Korean War. China probably plans on occupying N. Korea in event of a war, then telling the Americans they can defend S. Korea, but they cannot cross the DMZ.

  12. Re:Stop it by Psyborgue · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They could put it in a sealed cargo container and ship and detonate by gps when it gets close enough to it's destination. Lots of ways they could.

  13. Ah diplomats by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    claims that it has canceled the 1953 Armistice although the UN notes this cannot be done unilaterally

    Only in the imagination of diplomats is unilateral cancellation of an armistice impossible. The rest of us know what the North Koreans know; that they can start shooting anytime they want.

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  14. The phone line wasn't cut off by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We called at 9 a.m. and there was no response," a government official from South Korea said. The line is tested each day.

    With their assets now frozen, they weren't able to pay the phone bill.

  15. Re:Stop it by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have two, and I used one a month ago. Not on a C64, on a real computer.

    Atari user detected.

  16. Re:Bark bark bark! Grrrrrrrrrr..! by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

    China likes to have a client state as a buffer between them and South Korea.

    Culturally it would be a problem for NK to be adsorbed into China - Korea and China have been hostile towards each other for thousands of years. Their cultures are quite different.

    I spent a little time in South Korea a few years ago; one thing that my hosts were adamant on was the eventual re-unification of North and South, much like Germany was re-unified.

    The depravity of conditions in NK are a great shame. This picture is the best illustration of it I have seen:

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/technology/2012/12/new-highly-detailed-image-north-koreas-lack-electrical-infrastructure/4201/

    Unfortunately that little dog is developing a nuclear bite. Combine that with conditions in NK and you have potential for great disaster.

  17. Re:News for Nerds? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    The answer is on the front page, just a couple stories down: Apple sues Samsung. Perhaps you're familiar with the quote "What's good for General Motors is good for the country" (Charles Erwin Wilson, though that's not actually what he said). That's even more true in South Korea which is, more or less, a subsidiary of the Samsung Group.

    Steve Jobs promised thermonuclear war and if he can't get it in the courts, he'll get it on the battlefield.

    Side node: by now it should be clear that Steve Jobs is not actually dead -- if he was, his embalmed body would be on display.

    There was a mystery passenger on Eric Schmidt's visit to North Korea. Could it have been Steve Jobs, offering iPads in exchange for war on South Korea?

    Much like animals sensing a storm and fleeing a storm before it arrives, Apple has been diversifying their supply lines so as not to use any parts from South Korea. Could they know something that we don't?

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  18. Comedy Theater trying to save face.... by rts008 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I see this type of stuff from NK as a face-saving measure, with more focus aimed at their own people.

    The fact that the rest of the world pays attention is just icing on the cake.

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  19. Ah, the vaunted CueCat by stoploss · · Score: 4, Informative

    What privacy invading issues might you be referring to?

    Each CueCat has a unique identifier that is appended to the scanned encrypted data. The original software was designed to track you based on everything you scanned.

    Unfortunately for Digital Innovations, their ub3r 1337 h4x0r engineers decided that "base64 encoding + constant XOR == encryption". Fail. So, alternate software was quickly created to decode CueCat output, and the CueCats were thus rendered simple, free barcode scanners.

    In retrospect, this whole debacle may have been the first lolcat. Heh.

  20. A lesson for Iran? by g8oz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The lack of concrete action against NK might be a lesson for Iran.

    If you don't want to be fucked with, actually having nukes is the best bet.

    1. Re:A lesson for Iran? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Crude, innacurate, short range nukes are not the reason NK hasn't been attacked. This is all just talk: the barking of a dog that doesn't bite. The rest of the world is aware of this. There is no reason for anyone to attack them. Aside from that there is the problem that any war with NK is likely to result in, at the very least, a Seoul that consists mostly of rubble and, again, that isn't in anyone's best interest.

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  21. Re:Stop it by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Funny

    If NK actually did this, it too would glow enough to be seen from space.

  22. Re:Well, of course China wants to keep NK as it is by AG+the+other · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are right and it should also be pointed out that one reason that China supports them is that they do not want hundreds of thousands of NK refugees coming over their border.

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  23. Re:Well, of course China wants to keep NK as it is by bratwiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's like taking a bandage off.

    Nah, it's more like taking a diaper off.