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Internet Defense League To Be Deployed Against CISPA

Posted by Unknown on from the still-hungover-from-sopa dept.

yanom writes "Slashdotters may remember the launch of the Internet Defense League, a network for website owners that would allow for the replication of a media campaign similar to the one that took down SOPA. Now it plans to spring into action in response to the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, which is now making it's way through Congress. The IDL wants its members to embed anti-CISPA banners into their websites, which will be activated tomorrow, March 19th."

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  1. Education by uberbrainchild · · Score: 2

    Maybe every person in congress should be required to take a few lectures on how computers work and what the internet is?

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    1. Re:Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      And how medical operations work. And how financial investment works. And how farmers grow things. And...

      The list goes on and on. It's ridiculous to insist politicians have knowledge of everything. Were they to spend that much time learning about the things they legislate on, they would have zero time to actually pass any laws...

      Wait.

      You're a genius, and I create you Viscount uberbrainchild of the Internets.

    2. Re:Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What *is* ridiculous is that you elect people to make extremely important decisions when they don't have any clue about the subject matter. What is more ridiculous is that you allow them to make such decisions again and again even though many experts and many more have already pointed out how clueless this is, and after that re-elect those people to go on.

      > And how medical operations work. And how financial investment works. And how farmers grow things. And...

      Yes, exactly. That's why they get voted into office, and why we need many of them: So they get a clue about the topics they decide on, and so they can veto clueless or malicious decisions of other representatives.

    3. Re:Education by julesh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that they just end up listening to the pressure groups, who are basically an unelected elite selected for their capability to make every minor problem seem like a moral crisis that spells impending doom for civilization as we know it. I don't know the general fix for that, but politicians with at least a little knowledge of the areas they are legislating in seem to be better able to resist them.

    4. Re:Education by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly this. The sequester is a prefect example. The big arguments against it are this its ill timed, and second that its indiscriminate. I won't speak to former because its off topic but the later illustrates your point. The sequester is not bad solution because its indiscriminate; that is in fact the only reason why even the very very minor spending reduction it amounts to could be accomplished at all.

      Sure in a perfectly sane world we would identify the least effective, most out dated, most abused, least needed programs and make cuts there. Our government has [d]evolved to a point where it can't accomplish that anymore though. The first is it really is actually a hard question the number of budget items is mind blowing, coupled with the fact that you could never guess in may cased what services an agency, office, ..., actually provides without conducting weeks of interviews. The second more germane reason to this discussion is that every line item is someones sacred cow, or gravy train.

      If you eliminate one of those line items those people suddenly have a big interest in hiring one of the lobbyists to go wine, dine, and blow (or provide blow to; depending on the members preferred forms of recreation) enough CONgress persons to get the legislation amended. Naturally these guys no how to spin it too. Even though as a libertarian I am pretty convinced our government has become a dangerous corrupt mess and only its ineptitude spares us real horror; I still believe most legislation is originally enacted with good intentions. So when you talk about any one item it always sound reasonable. "It only costs a few million and think of all the undernourished bullfrogs that get a second chance at life; oh and TEH JOBS!; also we can't let TEH TERRORISTS WIN!"

      It becomes impossible to make the argument anyone thing will really benefit the bottom line. You can't justify causing one group so much pain to accomplish so little, in the way of reform. People just are not wired to see how a million here, and million there add up to a trillion. The numbers are just separated by to much magnitude. If on the other hand you indiscriminately cut everything. You make everyone suffer some loss, but not enough to justify the cost of a lobbying effort and maybe less able to afford it.

      The same applies to industry issues. The IP lobby has gotten used to just getting ever stronger protections whenever any new technology threatens them. You'll never convince anyone they should be made to give anything they have up. If we all stick together and remain universally opposed to enacting new protections, and continue to frame the debate about being pro-freedom though we can probably block legislation like this. Do it long enough and the market will out grow the current players. They will become marginalized and nobody will care about them because disruptive technologies will have replaced them in our daily lives. Just like nobody much cares about laws regulating horse cart safety; other than small pockets of Amish here and there.

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    5. Re:Education by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe every person in congress should be required to take a few lectures on how computers work and what the internet is?

      Or maybe... people should stop voting for fools simply because the fool holds the "correct" view (take your pick) on abortion or gay marriage. The "issues" that decide elections these days are, by and large, not the ones that actually affect our lives. This is by design, a design crafted and paid for interests that are definitely not aligned with those of the electorate.

    6. Re:Education by Ramley · · Score: 2

      YES! this is exactly right. Women's rights, abortion, etc... are very surface and personal issues that hit home to a lot of people, but aren't really going to change no matter who is elected. They are not the relevant issues, nor will they change easily.

      It's a smokescreen to get elected, and make the other guy look out of touch. When will people figure this out?

      In the U.S. we've got to stop electing the "cool" guy who would be fun (and interesting) to sit and have beers with, rather than a leader who puts the power back into the hands of the people.

      The road we are going down undermines everything that this country was founded on, and made it stand out from the rest (good or bad). One must admit, to a point -- we had it good for a while.

      This road we're on has been taken countless times before in other ways, and it has never, ever ended well.

    7. Re:Education by PhxBlue · · Score: 4, Informative

      Funny, that spending reduction doesn't feel very "minor" to me. Maybe that's because it's going to cost me about $800 per month once furloughs kick in.

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    8. Re:Education by claytongulick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As Bastiat pointed out so eloquently in That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen your $800 per month is what is seen.

      What is not seen, is the $800 per month that this no longer costs your neighbors.

      All government spending is not evil, and all public works aren't bad. But it is a mistake, a fallacy, to think that taking $800 per month from your neighbors so you can spend it is somehow good for the economy, or your neighbors.

      When we must engage in public works, we should do so - hold our nose and accept the necessary evil. This, however, should never be mistaken for economic activity. That is an illusion.

      It is worth taking a hard, critical look at yourself and what it is you do. Is your job really justified? Maybe so, perhaps you are a civil engineer or water treatment specialist, I have no way of knowing. Only your conscience can guide you when you wake up in the morning and greet your struggling neighbors, look them in the eye, and know that they are paying for you to do what you do.

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  2. Not Quite by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

    Close, but not quite. Most members already have the code on their sites already. Alerts show up automatically, members don't have to "add them" to their sites.

    They are, however, looking for new members, and want THEM to add the alert code.

  3. Re:A banner by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, this may strike down the bill, but it shows how they really feel about it.

    The death of Aaron Swartz wasn't enough to show them that they lost their humanity.

  4. How to actually do something about it by Myria · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you do anything about this when your district's congressman is completely opposite your views on almost every issue? Especially when you didn't vote for him. Any letter writing would go to the technologically-clueless equivalent of /dev/null.

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  5. It's a good idea, but... by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said this before, but again: the Internet Defense League is doing good work, but playing defensively like this is a losing game. It's not enough to kill bad legislation, like CISPA it will just keep getting reintroduced - we need to be supporting good legislation. If people took the same enthusiasm that killed SOPA and put it into supporting something like the OPEN act we'd have a significantly stronger barrier against further negative legislation.

  6. Aaron Swartz by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aaron Swartz, not only was he very vocal about SOPA, he was at the centre of the fight against it.

    I called all my friends, and we stayed up all night setting up a website for this new group, Demand Progress, with an online petition opposing this noxious billâ¦. We [got] ⦠300,000 signersâ¦. We met with the staff of members of Congress and pleaded with themâ¦. And then it passed unanimously.â¦

    He won that fight, but then it meant he got the government's attention. That's how it works, you are just part of the crowd until they see you as one of the leaders and then they hammer you until you can't go any longer. He lost all of his money in that legal battle, obviously the government can just throw everything to defeat you if you are the enemy. He could have ended up in prison, just like Bradley Manning, but he went a different route.

    You and your government, the relationship is not what you were brought up to believe it is.

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  7. obvious by WarJolt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where is the banner on /.?

    1. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where is the banner on /.?

      Don't worry—it's scheduled to be posted a week after the campaign is over and will be duped from Reddit.

    2. Re:obvious by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      It's not Geeknet anymore, remember. DICE may decide that it's not a cause they want to be associated with, so they may not run the banner.

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  8. Re: playing defensively is a losing game by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    Your comment gave me an idle interesting passing thought. All this stuff is starting to feel like a Stratego game. In classic Stratego pieces of equal rank remove each other, but I seem to recall that in one of the anniversary editions they introduced a variant rule that in clashes of equal rank, *the attacking piece wins* (through power of surprise/initiative/momentum etc.) I like that as a concept. That's what seems to be happening in the Copyright War. Yes, we kicked out SOPA, but they just shuffle the pieces and keep re-introducing it and eventually we'll be too tired to fight anymore and they win.

    Over on another story, Jammie Thomas lost the Supreme Court appeal, so that $222,000 for sharing 24 songs is now part of the judicial landscape.

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  9. Re:A banner by tburke261 · · Score: 2

    But.....but....the "Mission Accomplished" banner stopped the war....right?

  10. The constructed language Cispa by tepples · · Score: 2

    What's wrong with using a made up language?

    But seriously, Herman Miller was using the "Cispa" name for something before Congress.

    1. Re:The constructed language Cispa by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      What's wrong with using a made up language?

      But seriously, Herman Miller was using the "Cispa" name for something before Congress.

      Quick! To the Copyright Lawyer Cave!

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