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What's Going On In KDE Plasma Workspaces 2?

jrepin writes "While moving its codebase to Qt5, the KDE Development Platform is undergoing a number of changes that lead to a more modular codebase (called KDE Framework 5) on top of a hardware-accelerated graphics stack. In this post, you'll learn a bit about the status of Frameworks 5 and porting especially Plasma — that will be known as Plasma Workspaces 2, paying credit to its more convergent architecture."

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  1. Wayland & Mir by unixisc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will KDE 5 be ported to Wayland? Also, on the Kubuntu side of things, will the Blue Systems folks port KDE to Mir? How much of Qt5 supports Wayland already? What would it take to support Mir?

    1. Re:Wayland & Mir by gmuslera · · Score: 2

      To run apps that require kde libraries, maybe? The QT/QML ecosystem on what they would be based could use some key existing apps for KDE.

      Also, one of the advantages of Ubuntu that still that you can choose to not run unity. How much of that option remains could be key for its future as a general linux distribution.

    2. Re:Wayland & Mir by EmperorArthur · · Score: 3, Informative

      Umm, no.

      While the reference implementation currently only supports client side decorations, that's probably more to do with the fact that it's at something closer to Alpha release state than anything else.

      The Wayland specification allows either client side or server side decorations.
      See this post for more details: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/02/more-rational-approach-to-window-decorations/

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    3. Re:Wayland & Mir by KugelKurt · · Score: 2

      Will KDE 5 be ported to Wayland?

      There will be no "KDE 5". Never ever.

      Also, on the Kubuntu side of things, will the Blue Systems folks port KDE to Mir?

      No.

      How much of Qt5 supports Wayland already?

      Plenty.

      What would it take to support Mir?

      A revolution because no one within the KDE community is even remotely interested in supporting Mir.

    4. Re:Wayland & Mir by captjc · · Score: 2

      There will be no "KDE 5". Never ever.

      So what are you saying, that KDE development is in such a horrible shape that it will fall apart in the near future leaving KDE in some stagnate turmoil just before a major overhaul that would have been designated "KDE 5" or are you saying that the next major overhaul will be rebranded without a numbering scheme, (e.g. "KDE XP").

      Because odds are good that a few years from now, enough developers are going to want to overhaul the code (or reach some arbitrary benchmark) and create a new branch, and last time I checked, in most integer numbering schemes, 5 comes right after 4.

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  2. Re:Fix Akonadi, Nepomuk, etc. by udippel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Come on, get a new life!
    Sure, those Akonadi-Nepomuk failures are a big hassle, and basing a mail client on a non-functional database is plain stupid.
    Done and over.
    Switch off those buggers, learn to live with Thunderbird, and you might find the more recent KDEs quite suitable. At least here, I could not second your opinion of crash-friendliness. Not with 4.5 and onward.
    At least, I am a rather recent KDE convert, since it allows me to configure my desktop as I so desire with a lot of edge events and basically panel-less.

    And while I was an Apple-advocat myself, recent developments at Apple would make me think thrice before throwing my money at them.
    YMMV.

  3. Re:Fix Akonadi, Nepomuk, etc. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

    Second for Akonadi-Nepomuk failure. The two are the first thing I completely remove from a new installation.

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  4. Re:Fix Akonadi, Nepomuk, etc. by houghi · · Score: 3, Informative

    I couldn't use Linux because I hated Gnome and KDE was a little bit unstable.

    I like neither. I just use XFCE. I came from first Enlightenment and then Windowmaker.
    Another option is LXDE and there are even more options.

    If your distro does not support it, just change to a distro that does.

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  5. Re:While this looks neat, by yahwotqa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So disable that effect. It is up to you to tweak the interface to your liking, not up to its creators to provide the software in millions slight variations, exactly as everyone and their dog wants it.

  6. Re:While this looks neat, by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's such a shame that there is only one desktop / window manager available for X. If only there were some choice in the matter. If only there were many different interfaces which could run atop the generic backend graphics stack. I just wish that they would release different environments which would allow me to choose the look of my UI depending on my preferences. Why hasn't there been any development put into some kind of Lightweight, X11 Desktop Environment? I am so very upset that there is only one desktop environment available for Linux and that I'll have to use it.

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  7. Re:Fix Akonadi, Nepomuk, etc. by armanox · · Score: 2

    If you can get it to install on your distro (not available for Fedora 18, and the source build instructions aren't very well written), consider giving Trinity Desktop a spin.

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  8. Re:Plasma2 Alpha Shader Demo by mangobrain · · Score: 3

    I don't understand. What's so non-portable about a GLSL fragment shader?

  9. Re:While this looks neat, by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    It would have been funny, but that there are so many Ubuntu users who don't know better.

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  10. Re:It's pretty by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's also nice to use a desktop whose designers actually think you should be allowed to configure it to look and act the way that you want.

  11. Re:While this looks neat, by stilborne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As Sebastian has noted clearly time and again, the effects shown in the demo are what are used to test the framework. They are not the default effects that will be part of the actually released product. It is not unusual for framework test applications to look odd or even plain out ugly as their job is to push the framework and test the various capabilities.

    So, no .. this isn't about wobbling things. It's about having a working hardware accelerated canvas that can be extended in several ways, one of which includes OpenGL shaders...

  12. Mir support for the *Ubuntus by unixisc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would they port KDE when they have Unity?

    I was thinking of Blue Systems here, not Canonical. Actually, once Canonical switches to Mir, then the other Ubuntus that are there - Lubuntu and Xubuntu - would also have to have Mir support, and one would think that since Canonical still owns them, they'd build in the support for those DEs. Kubuntu is the one variation that Canonical has let go off, so it would be upto Blue Systems to either build support for Mir so that they could build off future versions of Ubuntu, or just fork the OS from the last one that has X11 support. Hence my question.

    Of course, just like Kubuntu, Canonical could hand off Lubuntu and Xubuntu as well, and therefore not have to add Mir support for them at all in the first place. In which case, the same question would apply to their inheritors.

  13. KDE 4.9+ is rock stable and better than 3.x by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 2

    Hi,

    I'm a great fan of KDE 3.x also. For what it is worth, I find that KDE4.9+ to be as stable as 3.x ever was, and as feature-full... as a DESKTOP.

    I also switched away from KDE 4 to gnome in the early days of KDE4, and was rather reluctantly forced away from Gnome by the recent modifications. I tried KDE4.9 that was packaged as part of Fedora 18, and was very pleasantly surprised. KDE has recovered. It is VERY configurable, supports the usual windows paradigms that we're used to and is very very stable.

    HOWEVER, the KDE apps are a different story. They are still half-complete, buggy and lose data. Even basic apps that I use regularly are fairly primitive. For example, KDE has a number of image viewers (Gwenview, Kuickshow...) but none of them can hold a candle to the power, elegance and simplicity of an 8-year old GQview or its modern cousin Geeqie. I tried the mail app on an experimental basis and was rewarded by prompt crashes and data corruptions. There is nothing even close to Gimp, Pan or other staples of Gnome.

    So I find myself in the weird position of running the KDE desktop, but using mostly gnome apps.

  14. Re:Fix Akonadi, Nepomuk, etc. by Teun · · Score: 2

    No more need to remove them, since sometime last year they just work, and it works nicely to have everything indexed.
    I can't comment on KMail, I always found Thunderbird more versatile.

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  15. Re:Wait a minute.... by Teun · · Score: 2

    You should get your vision checked out before this affliction ruins the rest of your life.

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