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Possible Chemical Weapons Use In Syria
Hugh Pickens writes "Mike Hoffman reports that Syria's Assad regime has accused the rebels of launching a chemical weapons attack in Aleppo that killed 25 people — an accusation the rebel fighters have strongly rebuked. A Reuters photographer said victims he had visited in Aleppo hospitals were suffering breathing problems and that people had said they could smell chlorine after the attack. The Russian foreign ministry says it has enough information to confirm the rebels launched a chemical attack while U.S. government leaders say they have not found any evidence of a chemical attack. White House spokesman Jay Carney says the accusations made by Assad could be an attempt to cover up his own potential attacks. 'We've seen reports from the Assad regime alleging that the opposition has been responsible for use. Let me just say that we have no reason to believe these allegations represent anything more than the regime's continued attempts to discredit the legitimate opposition and distract from its own atrocities committed against the Syrian people,' said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. 'We don't have any evidence to substantiate the regime's charge that the opposition even has CW (chemical weapons) capability.' President Obama has said the 'red line' to which the U.S. would send forces to Syria would be the use of chemical weapons. However, it was assumed the Assad regime would be the ones using their chemical weapons stockpile, not the rebels."
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Britam was hacked recently and some of the emails (that they claim were fake) hinted this was in the works. http://www.infowars.com/hack-reveals-washington-approved-plan-to-stage-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/
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Happy 10th anniversary! Time for a new war!
Probably getting boring just to clean up the mess of the old ones.
First: wtf is this doing on tec.slashdot.org?
Second: this red line was crossed a long time ago: Syria used chemical weapons in Homs, US state department cables reveal It's just that the world won't care unless it was the scary beaded guys that did it, when Assad did it last December the world pretended it didn't happened
Third: don't pretend you care, the death toll is reaching 100.000, Assad launched everything in his arsenal from cluster bombs to SCUDs, about 1.000.000 people were displaced. Unless something spills over the Golan heights nothing will be done except strong worded letters to all parts involved
Bottom line: move along, nothing to see here
Even if it's true the most you can expect out of this administration is a strong condemnation. Words of rebuke don't mean much to our enemies (See Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for historical examples). Like it or not force is sometimes necessary. I'd rather not go off and fight Syria's war to be perfectly honest, but when we say that's what we're going to do then we ought to follow through. Otherwise we lose all credibility.
Plus Syrians aren't people, so fuck em. They just aren't white enough.
>However, it was assumed the Assad regime would be the ones using their chemical weapons stockpile, not the rebels."
Come on... at this point, Assad's regime has zero credibility. Just like Putin's oligarchy. Both of these regimes are just dictators clinching to their power. Who gives a damn about their opinion.
Pallywood production.
And they will be just as easy to find. America's actions since 2001 have been... disgusting. I grew up thinking I was on the "good" side. Now I know better.
Oblig. Homer Simpson quote: "And we can't watch FOX because they have those chemical weapons plants in Syria..."
wtf is this doing on tec.slashdot.org?
Page hits. Slashdot is now a corporation and very much for profit. Political stuff like this gets page hits.
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Actually, fucktard, it's very likely to be the same chemical weapons that the iraqi terrorists used; IED on a chlorine tank. Assad is unlikely to use chlorine because it's not very effective as chemical weapons go.
Note: it is Russia and China that have everyone afraid to intervene for the most part. What we have here is a clusterfuck of the current iteration of the Great Game causing political tensions that make most nations leery to the point that everyone refuses to take any action.
This is doubly so for America as you add in the Democrats knowing damned well that no matter how justified an intervention is they will be tarred even more by Republicans claiming it was simply warmongering (see Libya).
So those in power amongst the major powers are too busy glaring at each other while thousands and thousands of Syrians die and even more are displaced. You are right about apathy being a major problem as even if it seemed ineffectual, massive protests concerning inaction in Syria would force the news outlets to at least have to mention the issue rather than continuing to sweep the problem under the rug beyond the odd "shits still crazy in Syria" headline.
Ice Cream has no bones.
"The Russian foreign ministry has said it has enough information to confirm the rebels launched the chemical attack." It must be true, then.
Those who are buying this should go look up this word: Iraq.
In all likelihood, this is a maskirovka on the part of al-Assad's regime. There is clearly both a domestic and international motivation behind this: first of all, regime supporters will believe without question that it was undertaken by the rebels, which would in turn only harden even further their support-perhaps this was even an attempt to stem the flow of desertions, as supposedly within the past 2 weeksa brigadier general and several soldiers have defected to the opposition-while discrediting and demonizing the rebels. Internationally, this claim gives them percieved legitimacy for more open use of chemical weapons in a "retaliatory" response. They were probavbly also well aware that Russia would support them, and counter any claim made by the US, UK, and other pro-opposition states. Ultimately, they may be hoping to force unilateral action by the US: as long as al-Assad has Russia in his camp, he has de facto veto power in the UN Security Council. I think this is al-Assad's trump card: he is hoping the US is afraid to get embroiled in another Middle East war, and is bettig that he can keep himself from turning into another Gaddhafi.
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what wrong with dousing the power and money grubbing scum running one's country into the ground with corrosive acrid poisons? Hmmmm, I know a place that needs that worse than Syria.......
Only 25 people. Chlorine, used for a wide variety of civilian and industry purposes, all legit and reasonable uses.
Guys trusting in allah to let their bullets find their targets are very likely to hit and puncture a lot of stuff that could leak.
That equals ho hum big deal, someone hit a tank of something, or some refrigeration unit, or whatever.
Wake me up when it's several hundred people and there's evidence it was a military deployment of some kind not just hearsay from two sides who are both obviously lying through their teeth about everything and anything.
We might not have seen the same video, but the one i saw on Belgian cablenews shows a building littered with gasping victims and their family, and a doctor wearing an actual mouth thing, explaining that there was a gas or chemical attack. Whats weird? That actor/doctor with its paper mouth thing (in that context, why wear it except to avoid recognition?), and the fact that its silent and peacefull. No visible stress, no screaming, nobody in view of the camera with a mission other than to look sad. It watches like your average soap opera, dramatic monologue and everything except for the background music.
Propaganda sure goes both ways.
I do hope they get rid of the tyrans.
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This is doubly so for America as you add in the Democrats knowing damned well that no matter how justified an intervention is they will be tarred even more by Republicans claiming it was simply warmongering (see Libya).
Yes, that great Republican Dennis Kucinich had constitutional objections. But that's okay we're "rushing to war" in Syrian, but since there is a Democratic president it will all turn out OK.
I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
Well, the U.S. cared about Iraq and the echo chamber here resounded with "tut-tut, even WE know better". Personally, I think knocking over a tyrannical dictator is always a good think in the long run. In the short run, things get messy.
On a different note, the Arabs and Persians are killing each other in a civil war started in 600's when some relative of Muhammed got whacked long after the M boy scarpered to that Great Food Bowl in the Sky claiming (gee, who'd have guessed) "no prophet will arise after me". Nothing the U.S. or Europe can do will stop that civil war because both sides believe political power spews out of a religious book and not from the people for the people's sake. And that controversy is as old as the golden age of Greece. Even Israel is football in their civil war, both sides believe if they are the ones to solve Hilter's Jewish Problem, not only will they get 71 virgins who don't know what small means, they'll get to vanquish the other side.
One side is not a cynical villain eating puppies while stroking his white cat on a chair, whereas the other are the heroes rebel helped by Mr Bond. The way I see it, both side are likely to use any advantage they can , and on the rebel side using the chemical weapon has the advantage that people like you will automagically assign the blame on Assad. If rebel of that country are like rebel of any other country, a good fraction is probably made of thugs in for the possibiltiy of looting , raping, and murdering.
The first casualty in war is the truth - doubly so in a 'civil' war.
Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran
Americans die so Irael can rule over it's enemies. Remeber the Liberty false flag operation. They nearly got away with that.
Poor defenseless litle Israel with only 200+ nukes along with first, second and third strike delivery systems.
First: wtf is this doing on tec.slashdot.org?
I am glad to see this on slashdot.
im often glad to see what may on their face seem like 'not slashdot' material posted because people on slashdot often offer insight and info that just doesnt appear anywhere else.
i've not seen it yet on this story but this is the EXACT type of story that some slashdot user will geek out on and bust out all kinds of chemistry stuff about how a certain chemical reacts on the body and how effective they are when used in certain places.. in certain ways..
I think some people often want the stories to be tech related miss something.... a thing that we see on nearly every article.. that people dont read the fuckin article.. we read the comments, because thats where the real good stuff is.
the users who know things, and we have a varied community here, can make even the most mundane story a tech/science related thing that as a geek.. keeps me coming back.
Will the owners of Slashdot ever miss an opportunity to push Team Obama's war agenda? I think not. At least in this case the Russians ensured that the US press (like Slashdot) were unable to paint the terrorists as saints.
Syria was a modern secular nation with a safe society and excellent freedoms compared to the twin depravities of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Syria, sadly, was also an enthusiastic member of the US's 'war on terror', frequently torturing 'dissidents' shipped there by the US State Department. When Britain would say "jump", Assad would always say "how high" like a good little boy. He naturally assumed that his popular regime could not be more useful to the interests of the West. How naive he was.
To the knuckle-dragging filth that Slashdot throws its daily polemic at, Assad is nothing but a 'rag head'. I mean, every Slashdot beta has seen such 'villains' endless portrayed in Hollywood film and TV dramas. That's the great thing about drama- the 'truth' is whatever you write it to be. Betas love 'Homeland' and '24', and team Obama endorsed the putrid pile of propaganda, 'Argo', in person at the Oscars.
The ordinary people of Syria are suffering the most depraved criminal attack on their society - all of it created by the British and the Americans. You know those two young males that shot up your cinema and school for young kids in the USA? Well YOUR government has been recruiting similar young disaffected males all across the arab Muslim world, and from Muslim communities in the West too. They are moved to training facilities in Libya, Jordan, Qatar and Iraq were they are trained by personnel from the UK, USA and Israeli armed forced. After training, they are armed, funded, and transported into Syria itself, were they are commanded by special forces from the UK and Israel (America has too few people under its command that can blend in with the locals). Leaders of the terrorist cells are provided by members of the 'Arab League', especially Saudi Arabia.
The goal is simple. To destroy Syrian society. To replace it with an extremist Islamic regime for the mass of ordinary people, with a UK/USA controlled 'Muslim Brotherhood' 'democratic' (hahaha) government at the top. There is good reason that you say "is it a military dictatorship or is it 'Muslim Brotherhood' rule" about nations like Pakistan and Egypt. This is the mechanism the West uses. Either the people 'vote' 'Muslim Brotherhood' or mysteriously the military always want a coup.
The use of chemical weapons in Syria by the 'rebels' has been coming for a long time. People who get their news from places other than Slashdot approved sources have seen the videos of rebel 'scientists' experimenting with various toxic poisons. However, all of this is a smokescreen.
Killing people in the open with the kind of nasty fumes you can make from commonly available chemicals is a waste of time and effort, as the warlords of WW1 discovered. Why did people smell chlorine after the rebel chemical attack then? Simple. The rebels were using some really nasty state-of-the-art chemical bomb provided by the military researchers of either the UK, USA or Israel. Nothing too large- that would arouse far too many suspicions. To allow for plausible deniability, a chlorine bomb (like a smoke bomb or stink bomb) was also used to ensure people in the vicinity would smell the chlorine fumes.
All this has happened many times before. Hi tech weapons inserted into regional wars, usually so the effects of these weapons could be studied by the depraved military scientists of the West. Israel is well known for having provided Apartheid South Africa with nuclear bombs, for instance. Less well know is the fact that Israel experimented with so-called 'race-specific' biological weapons in South Africa and Rhodesia. Israel also used surface-contact chemical weapons- dosing clothes left in poor black areas of Rhodesia with poisons.
The real story in Syria is CHAOS. Putin has agreed to back-down if the West creates a great enough chaos in Syria (and a
Don't you know, the State Department doesn't talk to the White House.
And guess who finances the rebels? The United States of America. That's correct - the USA are the ones completely financing the conflict in Syria through CIA and black ops back groups, which is turn you pay for (but aren't allowed to know about, how nice right?)
Yes your tax dollars pays for the death of innocent people by chemical weapons. America Fuck yeah!
Any news on the use of cluster bombs by Syria other than that from Human Rights Watch? They came out with a report four or five days ago stating that Syria has used them 156 times in 119 locations but that seems to be the only news about it. How reputable is Human Rights Watch?
This was clearly done by the Muslim brotherhood. Chlorine gas is very easy to make, and not a very good killer unless it's concentrated which is problematic in an open environment where wind exist. Assad has much more efficient chemical weapons available to him.
Here, if this ameliorates your outrage then this link works as well:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/20/0256259/possible-chemical-weapons-use-in-syria
As does this:
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/03/20/0256259/possible-chemical-weapons-use-in-syria
And this:
http://diceholdingssucks.slashdot.org/story/13/03/20/0256259/possible-chemical-weapons-use-in-syria
DNS wildcard fun!