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Cyber War Manual Proposes Online Geneva Convention

judgecorp writes "A new manual for cyber war has been compiled by international legal experts and published by NATO. The manual proposes that hospitals and dams should be off-limits for online warfare, and says that a conventional response is justified if an attack causes death or serious damage to property. The manual might get its first practical application today — South Korea's TV stations and banks have come under an attack which may well originate from North Korea."

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  1. Frightening by Hentes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So when the Chinese hack America from an infected Swiss machine the US will bomb Switzerland? From outside it looks like that the military class has a disproportionately large influence in American politics.

    1. Re:Frightening by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      False flag operations are extremely risky, and don't happen as often as you would think.

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    2. Re:Frightening by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't worry, China is on track to outpace the US in military expenditures by 2023. I'm sure that's all for "peaceful regional defense" and will have no impact on the US.

      China's military rise
      http://www.economist.com/node/21552212

      The dragon's new teeth: A rare look inside the world's biggest military expansion
      http://www.economist.com/node/21552193

      Essential reading on China cyber:

      The Online Threat: Should we be worried about a cyber war? (The first page of this is a must read wrt China.)
      http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/01/101101fa_fact_hersh

      Great snippet: ""The N.S.A. would ask, 'Can the Chinese be that good?' " the former official told me. "My response was that they only invented gunpowder in the tenth century and built the bomb in 1965. I'd say, 'Can you read Chinese?' We don't even know the Chinese pictograph for 'Happy hour.'"

      To say nothing of the more recent news.

      But yes, yes...this is all about "false flag" attacks, because naturally the US is always the evil aggressor, and there has never been any oppression or tyranny in the world, save for what the US has foisted upon it. The principles of freedom for which the US stands are just an illusion force fed to a compliant public by the lapdog mainstream press. In fact, we probably have secret time machines so we could extend this evil beyond our nation's short existence in this world. That explains all the bad things that happened before we were around.

  2. This just in: Still clueless by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These people still do not understand the basics of networked systems. Adherence to this proposed list requires several things which are absent on the global telecommunications networks. First, determining who's attacking. In conventional warfare, attributation is easy: They're wearing distinctive uniforms. Computer viruses and malware doesn't have an embedded flag in it to tell you which government sent it, and even if it did, it couldn't be trusted. Second, attacks that are meant to go after one thing can inadvertently hit something else (collateral damage). This is usually geographically-based in the real world... if a hospital happens to be next to a military munitions depot, umm, oops? But online, the hospital could be in another country and yet still be hit by the attack, because its digital signature is similar to the actual target. Either it's on the same network, or has a similar network address, or even a simple one character typo, is all it takes to send a "cyber bomb" (gags) veering off target. And last, but not least... you can have all the countries on Earth sign this and it still leaves out the guns for hire, the mercenaries. The A-Teams of the digital world: Freelancers. They don't have to go by your rules, and if a hospital happens to have a juicy source of personal information that could be turned into cash through extortion, blackmail, or reselling, they may just decide to go for it.

    This document underscores just how little our military and political leaders understand about this new theatre of war. They're drafting up treaties without even knowing where the borders are yet.

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    1. Re:This just in: Still clueless by malacandrian · · Score: 3, Funny

      In conventional warfare, attributation is easy: They're wearing distinctive uniforms. Computer viruses and malware doesn't have an embedded flag in it to tell you which government sent it, and even if it did, it couldn't be trusted.

      Just require all state-sponsored malware to be signed and verified by the a third party. I can see no reason why such a system would fail.

    2. Re:This just in: Still clueless by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just require all state-sponsored malware to be signed and verified by the a third party. I can see no reason why such a system would fail.

      "Unable to launch nuclear missiles; The application was unable to contact the licensing server. If the problem persists, please contact your network administrator. The launch bay doors will now close."

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  3. Re:Get off our lawn by Nyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't all these generals just get on World of Warcraft of whatever online game and fight each other there, instead of wasting everyone's money on using our internet as their newest play yard?

    Because of all the Chinese gold farmers, the Chinese will have the advantage.

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  4. I really don't see the point. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone just breaks these sorts of rules whenever they feel like. It just provides an excuse to attack other countries shrouded in contrived legitimacy. If we want to attack a country for hacking into a dam we'll do it. If other countries want to be mad at us or even retaliate, they will do that. Pretending that we are just following some coherent rules is a joke, and this should be transparent to everyone.

    Here is how this works:

    1. We do what we want. This is the most important part. Example countries like Axistan are there for our benefit.

    2. We invent rules giving us justification for attacking other countries and removing justification from other countries to attack us. Example A: Axistan is bad because they cyber attacked our hospitals and dams. We need to destroy them. Example B: Axistan attacked us for cyber attacking them, but since we attacked just about everything except their hospitals and dams, their retaliation was unjust and therefore they are the initial aggressors and now we must destroy them.

    3. We pretend these rules are fair and implicitly agreed to by all other countries. Any country that would not agree to these terms is surely an evil country that gets what's coming to them anyway. So even though Axistan never agreed to this rule, we can still punish them for violating it.

    4. When it doesn't work out the way we expected, and we need to break our own rules, that's ok because we still have all the guns, and the American people have a short memory. Oops it turns out we needed to cyber attack one of Axistan's dams. That's fine we'll just invent some reason why it was justified. You mean Axistan somehow managed to cyber attack us without hitting any hospitals or dams? Well lets just invent some reason why it actually broke our rules and lets attack them anyway.

    All of this political bullshit is designed to trick a gullible American public that those in charge are righteous in our actions. I think this is giving far too much credit to the average American's ability to think critically. We can skip most of this show and dance. It would be less insulting to the intelligence of all involved if we just said "We're taking your stuff because we want to and we are bigger."

    In a lot of ways we never really evolved past the politics of the playground. We just wear suits and use expendable high school kids with m-16s and m-1 tanks to pick on the other kids. We are a bully. But that's the way the world is. There are no adults to make us play nice or punish us. We're all bullies or victims or both. It's lord of the flies on a macro scale.

  5. Dams? by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since when were they off the table for war? They blew up German dams in WW2.