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Wrong Fuel Chokes Presidential Limo

An anonymous reader writes "Fueling your car with the wrong type of fuel happens even to POTUS. This happens when you put gasoline instead of diesel in the tank. ...." And Yes, the presidential limo really is a diesel. What about clean, renewable solar?

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  1. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link is to a story which says the correct fuel was used.

    1. Re:Um... by godrik · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I found it interesting to see that because of bad previous experience, Americans have a huge biais against diesel which is common in Europe. Meanwhile, because of bad previous experience, European have a huge biais against automatic gear shifting which is common in the US.

      I guess everybody is just as biased :)

    2. Re:Um... by madhatter256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The reason automatics rule in the US is because no one has time to use a manual. We are all busy texting, talking on the phone, eating, watching movies and sleeping. Sometimes, a few of those things at the same time... We only have two hands a knee to drive with!

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    3. Re:Um... by rherbert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt you're really an American if you use the word "petrol."

    4. Re:Um... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because our NANNY GOVERNMENT has rigged the emissions and mileage games so that the only cars sitting in dealer lots are enormous gasoline guzzling full size trucks.

      Not only that, Americans love having high torque at low engine revolutions, something gasoline engines are bad at but where diesel excels.

      That's why all those trucks have 5-liter V8s in them where they should have a 2.5 liter TDi.

      It's doubleplus-lose.

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    5. Re:Um... by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      The reason automatics rule in the US is because no one has time to use a manual. We are all busy texting, talking on the phone, eating, watching movies and sleeping. Sometimes, a few of those things at the same time... We only have two hands a knee to drive with!

      Now that I've done enough eating in my car, I can also use my tummy to steer!

    6. Re:Um... by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Funny

      1950s ... only eating and sleeping were available in the car

      Is that what you think couples did in drive-ins? Ok, this is Slashdot.

    7. Re:Um... by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Funny

      Canadian ... we're basically the 51st state anyway

      Puerto Rico recently voted to become the 51st, but you can become 52 if you promise to learn how to say "about".

    8. Re:Um... by markus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you actually driven a car with a modern Diesel engine?

      I had a Diesel rental about 20 years ago, and was impressed how little difference there was to a gasoline engine. But yes, you are right, back then Diesels did lack some of the "oomph" that I had come to expect from a high-powered gasoline engine.

      In the last couple of years though, Diesel engines have gotten so good, there really is no reason whatsoever to buy a gasoline engine -- unless of course, you drive an incredibly small number of miles, in which case fuel efficiency doesn't matter and the slightly higher cost for the Diesel engine does.

      Other than that, modern Diesels drive just like gasoline cars, are a lot more fuel efficient, and are extremely clean. I have read (slightly tongue in cheek) research saying that tail pipe emissions tend to be cleaner than the intake air :-) It's pretty much just CO2 and water.

    9. Re:Um... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Old truck driver here. Drivers use "fuel" in their trucks. Motorists use "gas". Brits use "petrol". Maybe you should get to know some truck drivers. Like rherbert, I've never heard an American use the term "petrol". Not on the east coast, not on the west coast, and nowhere in between. The only person in recent memory to use the word, is an imported guy from England. We mostly keep him around to laugh at. When his jokes run out, his accent is still hilarious.

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    10. Re:Um... by BLKMGK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that until recently automatic transmissions ate up significant amount of power\MPG right? How is that significantly better exactly? Anyone who has driven a stick for any length of time isn't flailing around - I'm guessing you're one of the fools who can't do so. It's got nothing to do with image and quite a bit more to do with control. The best "DSG" type automatics are actually stick shifts run by a computer - complete with one or more clutches. Stick shift transmissions are often capable of withstanding far more torque than automatics and they are most certainly a simpler piece of hardware. Not burning out the clutch in a heavy vehicle with a stick is simply a matter of knowing WTF you're doing and having proper gear range available. You should maybe take a gander in a few 18 wheeler cabs or dump trucks to figure out just how wrong you are, perhaps you think pickups are pulling more weight? The automatic is starting to make inroads there too but manuals are most certainly capable of moving those vehicles without issue...

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    11. Re:Um... by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think maybe you ought to tell the railroad industry of your theories and see what they have to say about the futility of electric for towing....

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    12. Re:Um... by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well if you live in a big city, you are probably familiar with seeing boots on vehicles when you don't pay the parking tickets.

      That means something else here.

      UK - US vehicle terms
      Car - Auto[mobile]? (is "auto" old-fashioned?)
      Lorry - Truck
      Campervan - Motorhome
      Pavement - Sidewalk
      Car park - Parking lot
      Petrol station (or filling station, service station) - Gas station
      Railway - Railroad
      Tram - Streetcar
      Bogie - Truck
      [Railway] Truck - [Rail] Wagon
      Metro / underground [train] - Subway [train]

      Boot - Trunk
      Bonnet - Hood
      Wheel clamp - Boot
      Bumper - Fender
      Windscreen - Windshield
      Tyre - Tire

      I'm sure I could think of more, but that'll do...

  2. Solar? by Tridus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The presidential limo is much heavier than a standard limo due to the extra protection it offers. There isn't enough room on the thing to get enough solar power to move it anywhere, let alone a detail like wanting to move it at night. Adding enough batteries to provide reasonable drive time would mean making it even bigger.

    There are some problems that solar can't solve. You'd think an editor here would know that.

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    1. Re:Solar? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The editor was being witty."

      No, no he wasn't. It was neither quick nor inventive. It was boring, predictable and obvious.

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  3. Not so. by jewens · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know I'm breaking the convention of reading before posting, however to quote TFA "the mechanical problem had nothing to do with the type of fuel used, as first reported."

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  4. Sigh by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given that that's possibly the shortest Slashdot story ever, it manages to make only two assertions, both of which are confirmed as false (by the linked articles themselves, no less).

    And I heard about this story about 6 hours ago on my way in to work and, honestly, didn't care then.

    No longer "News for Nerds"
    Now "Inaccurate insights for imbeciles".

  5. Re:So, uh... by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually it's the reverse.

    Diesel engines actually have the broader range of fuels that can be used. Generally, as long as the engine can generate enough pressure to achieve ignition via compression heating, the fuel can be used. Putting gas in isnt actually bad for the engine; it simply lacks the ability to achieve combustion via compression pressures usually found in automotive diesel motors. Gasoline is actually "designed", so to speak, to not combust due to compression, for reasons stated below. so its not harmful, it just simply doesnt run with much power, if at all.

    Technically gasoline engines can theoretically use diesel or other fuels if its volatile enough, and the proper air/fuel mixture can be achieved, but the risk is that the fuel is combusted early. ie, not by the spark plug, but the compression cycle itself before the timing cycle can light the sparkplug, which causes engine knock, power loss, and can destroy the engine cylinder eventually. So while the fuel achieves ignition, its not desireable ignition. which is why refined gasoline was developed to have a really really high heat of compression so that it wouldnt combust intil its supposed to.

    "Diesel fuel" is actually simpler to produce than gasoline as well, requiring less refinement. Big marine diesels use fuel that is essentially almost basic crude. the major disadvantage is that being less refined the fuel is more prone to gelling in cold temperatures (more viscous components in the molecules).

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