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Google Keep Labelled "Delete"
judgecorp writes "The Google Keep note-keeping app has had a frosty reception. Analysts including Gartner have said its functionality is laughable compared to that of the rival Evernote (saying "it's like saying MSFT Paint is a threat to Photoshop") and other users have rejected it on the grounds that after the death sentence on Reader, Google can't be trusted not to pull the plug on a service which people have come to rely on."
this is groundbreaking stuff guys.. that matters!
Maybe an extra l there?
My first thought was "how can I trust them with this when they just killed reader?"
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Don't bother clicking the link.
Yes, we're all mad about reader, and we all should be warned about cloud services shutting down.
Next post please...
I propose we now use "google" instead of "fool".
Google me once, shame on you.
Google me twice, shame on me.
Scroogle me once, shame on you-gle. Scroogle me twice, shame on Google.
Apologies to Kris Straub.
Clearly someone shorted GOOG this morning.
Frosty reception? I beg to differ, people all over the internet seem to love it. Design especially.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1aoo1a/google_keep_googles_notetaking_app_is_live_again/
Check this reddit thread.
Also it works with Google Now on Android, so i can say "Google..Note to self Fix the printer" and it will take the note, save the text AND audio file.
I, personally, like it very much. Evernote is good, but something that integrated into android and synced with my Google account is much better for me.
to take the power out of your hands and your mind. Uploading is encouraged only so they can exploit and profit from your data.
It's nice to see an application (yeah, I typed out the whole word!) slammed for being too simplistic.
Said everyone with a gmail account. Honestly, even if they do you will still have a copy of your data synced on your devices and the precedent is that you'll be able to get your data anyway.
as pitchman, and rename the product "Keep it Maybe".
As I said previously, I learned my lesson in relying on them for anything.
Reader, Notebook, Labs, Wave.
Never forgiven.
Features laughable compared to Evernote? I used to use a text file. Before that a piece of paper. What kind of useful features does it have? Can I search Evernote from gmail? Can I access it from Google Drive? Maybe once they implement these essential features I will look at it.
You can't use the word scroogle without sounding like the worlds biggest Microsoft shill.
That or a fan of A Christmas Carol, whose main character's surname is one letter off from "Scroogle".
"Google can't be trusted not to pull the plug on a service which people have come to rely on" - They've just now realized this? LOL.
Most people on /. have known this for years.
Google knows what it's doing when it comes to search (including maps), and (after several years) Android - everything else is stuff built/rolled out/supported by disparate uncoordinated groups with no coherent strategy or purpose beyond "hey, this looks like something the PR guys would like."
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For some things simplicity is best. iOS Notes or Google Tasks where you have just basic information and easy input for simple things and it can be synced. Google Keep is good for a notepad/post-it note app currently, a scratch pad. But it is a long ways away from being a robust note storing and organizing tool such as SimpleNote or Evernote or OneNote. They should have just bought one of those type and incorporated it if they wanted to compete.
Plus now with their credibility in killing apps, no one will use this for serious note taking. If they don't, then whats the point for Google? Not much to be gleaned from scanning scratch notes, at least they didn't think so when they got rid of Google Notebook.
I am burned by the Reader removal. I lost trust in Google and will now wait a few years before trying their new services.
Just don't try and attach video clips or pictures to your Evernotes or you'll run out of your 60MB/month and have to pay for premium service.
I am more than glad that Google has become a music label, and that they signed Delete, they make very fine punk rock.
Also, naming their recording and artists's lair "The Keep" is mighty fun.
Google Keep is not an Evernote competitor, it's not a Pintrest competitor. It is just a simple sticky note app that works well across platforms. Like Apple's notepad app except better. I don't know why everyone thinks it's some sort of Evernote competitor because it clearly isn't. It's for making sticky notes for yourself to just jot down ideas and reminder that are accessible from the cloud rather than saved onto a machine.
Ok, so we know that Google have issues with trusting apps at the moment.
It would be easier if Google just bought em. Ready made solution requiring little "start from scratch and try and compete"
That way, they get a ready made market. Few people are going to abandon it because it forms part of their "Digital life"
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As I remind my students, "Beta" to Google means they haven't figured out how to profit on it. If they can find a way to profit on it, it then becomes one of their many appliances. If they can't, it gets killed. Clearly, Google didn't have a way to profit on Reader, as they couldn't on Wave, as they couldn't on Health. If they can find a way to profit from Keep, it'll keep. Otherwise it'll be gone like the rest.
I remember when Chrome first came. I thought Google was wasting their time because Firefox was clearly the best browser, and there was no reason to think it would ever stop being the best. And the browser market already seemed too crowed with IE, Safari, Firefox, and Opera all competing for market share.
Keep now is not what Keep will be in the future. Google search, Gmail, Google Maps, Chrome, Android, and many other Google products are almost indistinguishable from what they were during their first iteration. And of those I listed, Gmail and Google Maps are the only ones I would say were actually better from the competition from day 1.
Evernote should be sweating at least a little bit.
The additional L required to typo "Scroogle" from "Scrooge" is clear on the other side of a QWERTY keyboard
That's not what I was trying to imply. One could have arrived at "Google is acting like Scrooge" pun independently from Microsoft's ad campaign that began in November 2012. I just checked Google Search (Search tools > Any time > Custom range) for January 2008 through October 2012, and there were plenty of hits for "Scroogled". Is a short story by Cory Doctorow enough?
You can't trust any company, especially a company that is providing you with service without charge. The "cloud" is only worshiped by those who blindly follow the hype and refuse to face elementary principles of personal security.
Those who have their eyes open and can think for themselves will store data in multiple places which they own and control, and only use the "cloud" as free encrypted backup, if at all.
It will make a really embarrassing article title, "Google decides not to keep Google Keep"
I really agree with a lot of points you're making, but there's something about this whole thing that, to me, speaks volumes about the absurdity of computing today.
What the hell is "serious note taking"? Is there really some situation where I would need to sync my notes across my desktop and mobile phone, where I couldn't just put it in my phone to begin with? Isn't this all what saving to your computer, or in a cloud folder, or a text editor is all about?
I really don't mean to knock Evernote--I understand why people like it--and also can understand people's skepticism of where Google has been going since management changed there, especially given their recent track history. But I also think there's a tempest in a teacup quality to all of this. I mean, the notetaking apps I use don't sync across anything and they're fine. I'm sure Google Keep is fine for 90% of people. I suspect that a large proportion of people using Evernote overvalue their notes, even as a large proportion of people make good use of it.
The reason why Google can integrate these sorts of services, and people use them, is because their value to most people (*most people* being the key here) is so small, but in aggregate is so large to Google.
I worry about Google, and the crap they're pulling makes me take a second use at Evernote, Dropbox, etc. However, even if those services disappeared together with those of Google, would it really hurt me? No.
There's something scary to me when we talk about Google Keep as if it's a nuclear powerplant control system, or a word processing program, or something like that. Some people just want to jot down notes.
The Evernote app on Android has the permission to read your contacts. No thank you. I downloaded Keep for that reason alone. Plus it's fast and easy to use. So far I like it.
Welcome to the wonderful world of SaaS and the clould. Microsoft too, of course, cancels languages and abandons technologies according to its own internal "logic" which ignores both developers and users. Such is the world. Stick with local applications. Stick with Java or open source languages that won't disappear, or morph into some other "solution" to a problem you never had.
I think the case can be made that Google in all it's little projects are pushing tech by being a test bed. I do believe their thinking is to put up any service for free five years as a massive research projects. Their first question isn't if it's profitable but rather rather how useful it is. They leave thoughts of profitability to be answered further down the line. At the end of life of the project if something is just self sustaining I do believe they would rather have someone take over now that they did all the deep market analysis and research on it. If something can be massively profitable then they will maintain it. Sort of like how it's founders came up with a useful search engine.
In other words they do things just because they are interesting. No guarantee to be there in a hundred years. Their main motivation is the research. Google does massive public R&D. Not all of which would be protected by copyrights and patents. I do believe their main goal is to PUSH TECH. To do the research to the point that someone else could take over. A build the prototype and the interest and market will come attitude.
..until I can paste images into it, and paste into lists. I hate to say this, but Microsoft Outlook 2007's compose email is pretty much what I am looking for =)
Can I to be shilled by you to post utter crap? Look at the app review and you see most people are happy with it. Keep was just released and in its infancy, so it won't have all features yet. It integrates great with Android and has a web front. Reader complaints? You sound like an asshole. Your days just dumped you before prom and you want to complain to everyone that Prom has failed to support your sad life. Go to Freely it works great. Subscribe to the feeds on Google+ or shut the fuck up. Its a free service you didn't lose material goods for the service. Stop with the entitlement shit.
Personally, I think this one has an excellent chance of sticking around for the same reason that Voice is sticking around. It's a great feature for Android.
Last time I tried Evernote I was only able to attach a single picture to a note, making it useless for what I wanted it for at the time, and yeah their limit for the free service if pretty low. On the other hand, Keep does seem to do this but has few other features. Personally, I'm hoping that they're taking the "start simple, make it perfect" approach and adding features as they're developed. As it is now, you could replicate the app with a simple DropBox extension.
Google Reader is a clear example of Google using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy. They create a service/app in a popular market segment, dominate that market, then kill off the product and try to force users to migrate their other services that they have more control over like Google+.
iGoogle and Buzz are the same.
Welcome to the world of free cloud based services, where you the user don't really matter, you own nothing and you should be happy Google gave you the privilege of using something as long as they did....
Google Reader: Survived eight years DESPITE BEING FREE
Evernote: Has only five eight years history BUT CHARGES MONEY FOR APPS AND SERVICES.
Google Keep: ALSO FREE JUST LIKE READER
Huh, I wonder which one may be around after eight more years - the one that pays for it's own existence or the one that's like a pony in the stables of a rich guy with a bad gambling problem?.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I'm not sure if it's better to blame Google for picking a stupid product name, or the headline writer, but I'm still not sure what "Google Keep Labelled "Delete"" means - even after I finally realised that "Keep" is the product, and not a verb. Who's doing the labelling?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Personally, I think this one has an excellent chance of sticking around for the same reason that Voice is sticking around. It's a great feature for Android.
Yup. In the same way that having a service that made it easy for people to get self-selected articles from authors they know and trust delivered directly to their phones to, uh, "Read" when they had a spare minute would be a great feature too...
The real issue with the google distrust is their current opaqueness.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
and I like it better then evernote.
The cancelling thing is a worry.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Google has all the morality of a rattlesnake.
They are an outgrowth of an NSA project and they are busy tracking
every single person in the US and many of the people in the rest of the
world.
The idea that Google should be trusted with anything is somewhere between
perverse and idiotically naive.
Pulling Reader was an assinine move. It may not be a hugely popular service, but guess what, the nerds love Reader. Don't piss off the nerds, we remember.
I, for one, am happy that the unhappiness and skepticism resulting from the Reader fiasco is being carried into new product launches.
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After Reader, Google has me questioning everything I do with them. I've even gone so far as to replace Google with about:blank on the home page of my browsers so they don't get the inflated traffic numbers.
After I saw the video with audio note taking and lock screen widget (though I don't have a late enough android version darn it) it looked useful with the audio notetaking part. Never got into Evernote (though I have the app).
However my first gut reaction to the announcement was, yeah like I'm going to trust google not to trash it once I've gotten used to it.
Currently I use emailing myself, OnePunch (a memo app), and Circus Ponies Notebook (for Mac only). But I have found this to be insufficient like if I want to take a note immediately - yesterday someone told me a name to google and I forgot it, didn't have time to type it in, and stupidly didn't go for paper and pen that was probably in my pocket.
If I can do instant audio annotation without launching an app that might be useful. Don't know if Evernote can do that but if anything this conversation will push me closer to getting Evernote. No matter how many times I think it, I just don't trust google to do a half-assed launch, get me used to it, and then pull the plug.
The other option of course is just to use pen and paper. That works too, though I find I seldom go back to look at what I've written, it's like storing in a file on a separate hard disk. Whatever, the current situation is not optimal and when I am thinking about changing my notetaking application I think Google's behavior crystallizes my thinking.
Evernote seems like a great idea, but, as with many cloud services, synchronization is very broken.
If you have it installed on several devices and some devices don't get a chance to synchronize with the central server, synchronizing will not correctly merge your changes. And, really, with the number of stupid features they've glommed on to it, I'm not surprised.
First, there's no user supervised merge. It uses the "oh, were you working on something? Well fuck you, I'm going to rearrange everything you were looking at because I got an update from the server" model of synchronization.
But the worst problem is that their algorithm assumes doesn't handle deletes correctly. In particular, if I'm using device A, delete some notes and don't synchronize, then use device B and synchronize, A's deletes are overridden.
Thus, if you try to have a workflow and you have some notes that you're going to read over and delete when you're done, they may come back when you synchronize.
At that point, you're now wasting more time and brain bytes on Evernote than you would have if you were synchronizing manually.
Google Keep is at least workable on the basics. At its foundation is a seamless integration, which none of the other tools possess. And at the heart of it, and although possibly laughable as meaningful any longer, the personal data is in the hands of Google, not a much smaller private concern whose size does not afford users the implied assurance nor political clout that data and privacy policy actually means anything.
We all understand that google gives and google takes away. For free stuff especially, it's their perfect right. So please don't pour upon this introduction an argument that has little bearing on the matter. Instead, why not extol the fact that it's - how unique - a simple and to the point tool.
For all I wanted, ever, was a simple quick tool that would store some stray information (before memory lost it completely) by the use of my mobile phone and with which I might deal with later in a better organized form. Google Keep does this job straight away.
Sometimes less fluff and more substance is a good thing. Get used to it.
I know all the google reader users are upset about its demise, but the fact is there just weren't very many of you at all. Sure, the ones that were out there are being very vocal right now, but that doesn't imply large numbers.
I tried, several times, to use google reader for exactly the purpose you describe. Each time I found that there are other tools, both on the PC and Android, that do the same in a better, less clumsy way.
Can you link to any Google-sponsored smears against these other companies?
Just don't try and attach video clips or pictures to your Evernotes or you'll run out of your 60MB/month and have to pay for premium service.
Gosh, the evil fucking bastards. I mean, obviously I should be able to use Evernote as free unlimited online storage. If I want to upload HD videos 24/7 as backup, they have a moral obligation to give this to me for free.
And there are no photo/video sharing sites available anywhere on the internet, so Evernote are basically forcing me to upgrade to their ludicrously overpriced premium service (which I have just checked is an eye-watering GBP4 a month).
Meanwhile, in the real world 60MB/month is a lot of actual, you know, text notes.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Has anyone at Google stopped to think that sometimes, you can't rely solely on word of mouth about your product? It seems every so often, I stumble upon something Google put out a year prior and ask myself, "When did they do this?"