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Intel's Pentium Chip Turns 20 Today

girlmad writes "Intel's Pentium processor was launched 20 years ago today, a move that led to the firm becoming the dominant supplier of computer chips across the globe. This article has some original iComp benchmark scores, rating the 66MHz Pentium at a heady 565, compared with 297 for the 66MHz 486DX2, which was the fastest chip available prior to the Pentium launch."

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  1. 66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The rest of us made do with 60MHz versions.

    It really had to hurt Intel to have to back down on clock speeds for once. They didn't do that again until NetBurst burst.

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    1. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The rest of us made do with 60MHz versions.

      We couldn't afford the cooling systems for the 66MHz version?

      (Or didn't want to live in a wind tunnel...)

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    2. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by erice · · Score: 4, Informative

      The rest of us made do with 60MHz versions.

      It really had to hurt Intel to have to back down on clock speeds for once. They didn't do that again until NetBurst burst.

      And they did it for the same reason. The 60Mhz Pentium was the end of the line for 5V CPU's. It suffered from overheating problems due to its exceptionally high power consumption. The P90, 486DX2 and later Pentiums were 3.3V.

      It is also questionable the the P66 dethroned the 486DX2. The 50Mhz 486DX was widely believed to be faster than the 66Mhz 486DX2.

    3. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Joce640k · · Score: 2

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      The 50Mhz 486DX was widely believed to be faster than the 66Mhz 486DX2.

      That was the theory: 50MHz bus beats 33MHz bus.

      In practice: The DX was much more expensive and the extra 16mHz of the DX2 kicked the DX's ass when you were playing Doom. Which you were.

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    4. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet 66MHz P5 had 17.5 max power dissipation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P5_(microprocessor)#P5.

      Things do change, indeed.

    5. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      At work we still have a Gateway P5-60 running, albeit slowly, as a hardware test machine.

    6. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC since I have some mod points. I don't remember any real computer users buying P66, and in fact most companies abandoned it due to code errors from the FDIV bug. The 486dx4 was way faster for math.

    7. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I still have a P90 that I use for old games. It runs Windows 98 like a beast, although my Cyrix P166+ naturally blows it away.
      The P90 has a dual 3.5"/5.25" floppy drive and a 2X CD-ROM drive. The part that surprises most people is that there is no cooling fan on the processor heatsink or power supply, just a small one on the back of the case.

    8. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by LSD-OBS · · Score: 2

      I had a DX4-100 (33MHz x 3) which I overclocked to DX4-120 (40MHz x 3) and it tore the other 486's some new assholes

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    9. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 2

      Also couldn't afford the RAM, IIRC.

      The RAM speed was tied to the CPU speed (FSB speed), and since the fast CPUs were expensive to buy, the RAM which was only needed for them was overpriced too even though it was only barely faster than the RAM for the 60MHz models.

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    10. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If we're in a 486 contest the winner goes to AMD's X5-150 that ran at 50Mhz on a 50Mhz local bus. Some people managed to overclock their 133Mhz part to 200Mhz on a 50Mhz local bus.

      50MHz VESA local bus. Fast as a dragon, and about as rare.

    11. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of us made do with 60MHz versions.

      Can't remember ever seeing a 60Mhz Pentium in the field. Seems like most people willing to drop the cash for a Pentium just went for the best.

    12. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Passive cooling lasted for quite a while after that. I have a G3 (PPC 750) 300 Mhz with aluminum traces (Motorola manufactured), which ran hotter than the IBM-manufactured ones with copper traces. It has an aluminum heatsink that would probably be inadequate for the southbridge in a modern PC. There is no fan on that heatsink. There is a tiny case fan, it looks to be 30mm or so. Given that it's a Mac, it's probably a custom part and a non-standard size.

      I ran a Voodoo 3 3000 (flashed with Mac firmware from MESA) in that box for years (about 1998-2002) with no overheating problems.

    13. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by suso · · Score: 1

      The P90 also had the FDIV bug. I know because I had one. I still have that chip sitting on a shelf as a souvenir. It actually ran my first Linux box.

    14. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      I distinctly remember going out and buying a $500 upgrade. I got an additional 4MB of RAM for $250, and upgraded from a 33MHz processor to a 66MHz for $250. That must have been a 486, it was a Compaq IIRC.

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    15. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      In practice, you were running AutoCAD. and you wanted the DX50.

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    16. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      VESA SCSI HBAs were the shit , till you got an EISA box.

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    17. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Groboclown · · Score: 2

      It is also questionable the the P66 dethroned the 486DX2. The 50Mhz 486DX was widely believed to be faster than the 66Mhz 486DX2.

      The 486DX2 used a 33MHz front side bus and a "doubled" processor speed, while the 50MHz 486DX used both a 50MHz chip and bus. However, the 50MHz also had significant heat problems (I heard rumors that it could melt the solder).

    18. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Nah.... if you were running Autocad you wanted a 386DX40 with third party math coprocessor (eg. Cyrix/ULSI).

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    19. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The P90 used the Windows fix if I remember correctly, the same fix that was used for the P60....

    20. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me, I had the 33MHz x 3 model and did a socket mod to run it as 50 MHz x 2 instead, since the multiplier was controlled by some simple Vcc strapping on an external pin. That was great for VESA local bus throughput...

    21. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by ghinckley68 · · Score: 0

      I was building a lot of machines back then since there was profit in them. But...
      Any I had a DX33 that I ran at 50mhz and it was faster than my friends DX2-66. I sold a guy a Pentium 60 and my dx50 was indeed faster than it. Not a lot but it was faster.
      My 50 was so much faster than my friends 66 that there use to be this thing called 3DBench back in the day. any way with an ISA ET4000 and his VLB something or another that was a much faster card we would run about the same FPS.

      Mine however could start WindowsNT 3.1 almost 40 secs faster with the same drives and memory.

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    22. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      The 486DX-2 66 wasn't really the fastest processor. Throughput-wise, it had a mere 33 MHz bus. If you were serious, you had a 486DX 50, with the 50 MHz bus. But then you had to deal with the faster bus, which had compatibility issues; since so many people poked along with the DX-2, support for the 50 MHz bus wasn't as robust.

    23. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by toddestan · · Score: 2

      I've actually never seen a Socket 4 Pentium system myself in either speed. Socket 5 (and the later Socket 7) systems were, however, extremely common - especially the slow 75Mhz version with the 50Mhz bus speed. Maybe someday I'll find a Socket 4 in a dumpster (that's actually where I saw my first Pentium Pro system..).

    24. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by rs79 · · Score: 1

      Plus, don't forget about that little math bug in early Pentia.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

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    25. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "Maybe someday I'll find a Socket 4 in a dumpster "

      Good place for them. They were vile.

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    26. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      I still have a P90... has a dual 3.5"/5.25" floppy drive and a 2X CD-ROM drive.

      I too, love my P90. Although mine has a 5.7x28mm cartridge and a 900rpm fire rate. Beats the heck out of staffs and zats.

    27. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by swalve · · Score: 1

      I remember those Cyrix chips. Fast as hell, cheap as hell, buggy as hell. Good times.

    28. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by swalve · · Score: 1

      If memory serves, they were really expensive so you'd only see them as brand name servers and workstations. Compaqs and IBMs mainly. Same with the Pentium Pro. Slick as snot, but rare and expensive.

    29. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      argh, I meant to write 150MHz on a 50Mhz local bus. Those late model AMD 486s must've seemed like speed demons at 200MHz.

    30. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that generation, though, there was a little known processor that really did blow the doors off of everything else out there, especially in terms of bang for the buck.

      Witness the Cyrix 5x86-120, the highest performance processor ever released for the Socket 3 (basic socket for the i486 based systems) based system. The 5x86, with the scaled down M1sc core (from the 6x86 M1 core), was quite fast for the era. I had one of the 3X40mhz, 120Mhz version, apparently one of the final batches, that supported the 4X multiplier and was able to run the branch predictor without making my systems unstable. While, with an aftermarket cooling solution, and a slight boost to its operating voltage, it could boot to a usable system in 4 X 40Mhz mode, it wouldn't stay stable for long. However, it was capable of operating at 3 X 50Mhz all day long without causing any stability issues. I had a 50Mhz qualified motherboard, a #9 VL-Bus video card, and an adaptec VL-BUS HBA that ran my NEC 2X CDROM and a FAst/Wide SCSI II Hard drive that I spent an arm and a leg on. That system, with 64 MB of RAM (IIRC, might have been 32) , would demolish any Pentium 60/66, maintain a solid lead on Pentium 75 systems, and would keep up with Pentium 90/100 systems. None of the intel based pentium overdrive processors ran their cores fast enough to keep up with it. Memory bandwidth became an issue rapidly as the Pentium's wider 60/66 mhz FSB was able to move considerably more data than the 50Mhz, but half as wide bus on the 5x86. Once the 133Mhz Pentiums came out, with the greater availability of PCI cards of good quality, it was the end of the line for the 5x86. The 5x86 was clearly memory starved at a 4X multiplier, and the chip just couldn't make it much past 150mhz, even with exotic cooling. Enabling the advanced features of the chip, specifically the branch prediction, meant that it leaned even more heavily on the memory bus, which exacerbated the issue.

      I eventually moved that processor to a PCI based Socket 3 system and ran it at 4 X 33mhz. It did well there, especially with faster peripherals, but, it still didn't do as well as Pentium 133mhz systems and was clearly showing it's age.

      For the money, it was the best performance you could buy during that era.

    31. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ?? PentiumPro is obsolete ?
      I am still using a Compaq Prof. Workstation with 2x PP 200 as my firewall.

    32. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you wanted the Pentium. It had a 64-bit bus, much better caches, and a vastly better, pipelined and much lower latency floating point unit.

    33. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the common problems with VLB cards running at 50Mhz, especially if you have more than one of them.

    34. Re:66MHz? Nice for you Rockefellers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they were definitely quite fast for the era, but the cyric 5x86-120 was still the fastest part around, especially when you you got it stable at 50Mhz x 3. if you enabled the advanced features, it was even faster. its one limitation vs any other socket 3 processor was its combined 16k l1 cache. some had two l1 caches, 16k for instructions and 16 k for data. for code that could live there, but was too big cor the unified l1 of the cyrix, it took a beating.

  2. 0.99904274017st post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    fdiv bug

    1. Re:0.99904274017st post by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Funny

      I sent my fdiv bug chip back to Intel for replacement. I should have kept it, it'd be worth $5 on eBay.

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    2. Re:0.99904274017st post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vaguely remember somebody selling cufflinks made from them.

    3. Re:0.99904274017st post by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what you're saying is that it's really the 19.9808548034th anniversary?

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    4. Re:0.99904274017st post by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that it's really the 19.9808548034th anniversary?

      Yeah, I wonder how many times we'll see that joke here. Probably at leat 19.9808548034 times.

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    5. Re:0.99904274017st post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me be the first to say f00f.

    6. Re:0.99904274017st post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is that it's really the 19.9808548034th anniversary?

      LOL. And the rounding issue was really not that big of a deal in processing data, right? At least that was what intel said.

  3. Ahh, Pentium. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 66MHz original Pentium. What a beast.

    It ran on a full TTL +5V. So it sucked down power. Lots of power. I've disassembled first generation Pentium chips, removing the golden cover that protects the die beneath. The die is HUGE! Much bigger than any current production CPU.

    In fact, the early models produced so much heat that we boggled at the big fans needed to cool them! It was one of the first Intel x86 chips that REQUIRED a fan for cooling. We used to run our 486DX2/66 and below fanless and they worked great.

    All this for only less than twice the performance, at three times the cost.

    The vast majority of us skipped the first generation Pentium, instead going for more affordable chips as the i486DX4/100 and the Am5x86/133, which was RIDICULOUSLY popular for several years! In fact, the latter was faster than a Pentium 75MHz for anything that didn't require the FPU. And not much needed the FPU back then.

    Then of course we laughed our asses off when the FDIV flaw became known. Clearly the Pentium was the #0.9999999998855 processor on the market!

    Ahh, memories.

    1. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, the early models produced so much heat that we boggled at the big fans needed to cool them! It was one of the first Intel x86 chips that REQUIRED a fan for cooling. We used to run our 486DX2/66 and below fanless and they worked great.

      Amusing to see how relative 'Big' was...
      Pentium I: http://www.pccables.com/images/SOCKET7_PENTIUM_BB_CPU_FAN_4WIRE.jpg
      Now: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/HS-020-AL_41149_350.jpg

    2. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      There were rumors that Intel actually looked into alternative cooling methods for Pentium before those big ass fans ended up being the norm. There was supposedly one system that actually used freon.

      Also, you're not kidding about the die being huge on those - in those days Intel would take the defective units and encase them in acrylic and give them away as keychains. Now, the actual chip is so small you can't do that anymore.

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    3. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I had a P60 machine for years that ran Smoothwall and acted as a firewall, router, hub, and file server, lol.

      I don't recall them being uneconomical though. There were plenty of reasons to ditch the 486, it really was a much more limited chip in some ways. You really HAD to have a pentium to do a number of things, and Linux was quite happy with them.

      The old AMD K5's were pretty good, but they invariably were paired with horrible pieces of shit Taiwanese Winbond chip sets and other such drek. I had ONE K5 motherboard that was fast as hell and worked great, but that was out of like 5 tries.

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    4. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      The "Pentium 1" fan above is for a Socket 7 chip. These were the newer, lower voltage Pentiums. The ORIGINAL Pentiums used much bigger fans.

      But yes, it's relative. We went from not needing CPU coolers at all to needing them constantly.

    5. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      I bought 11th hour, still content with my DX2/66. It played fine, until I got an upgrade. Then it ran awesome. I didn't realize how slow the game was running until then. Friggin amazing. Windows 95 could do things. Not just grind away and sort of do things.

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    6. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Informative

      For quite a bit of time, Intel and AMD CPUs used the same motherboards and chipsets. You'd get the motherboard you want, and then decide whether you wanted an Intel or AMD CPU in there.

      In fact, the whole reason for "Slot 1" with the Pentium II was to put a stop to this. They patented the slot mechanism and locked AMD out. I'm not sure why they couldn't patent the socket type; I'm guessing there was a legal reason why the pin arrangements weren't patentable.

    7. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder if you had a cacheless 486 system. These were very common in the early 90s! There were even "fake cache" chips that motherboard vendors would put in to make it look like you had cache when you didn't.

      I suffered with such a system for a long time before realizing that it had no cache. I always wondered why my friend's 486 system felt so much faster, then I finally read about the cache issue in a magazine! Those were different times, when you couldn't just use Google to get an instant answer as to why something sucks.

      Being a broke teenager, I suffered with that cacheless 486SX/25 (overclocked to 33) from 1993 until 1996 when I finally got a job and upgraded to a Pentium 166MHz. It was like getting out of slow computer prison. :)

    8. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, Slot 1 was to allow them to put the cache on the same board as the processor so they could speed it up. It quickly became unnecessary as later Pentium IIs and all(?) Pentium IIIs put the cache on die, making the slot unnecessary and expensive.

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    9. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by jest3r · · Score: 1

      Those were the good 'ole days. My CPU path was something like this:

      486 DX2/66 -> Pentium Overdrive -> Pentium 200 -> Pentium Celeron 300A (over clocked to 450) ......

      Video cards went something like:

      Matrox Millenium -> Diamond Monster 3D -> 3DFX Voodoo II x 2 ......

    10. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by m3000 · · Score: 1

      I actually still use one of those keychains today. Got it in my pocket as I type this.

      That and my giant Itsakey metal USB stick gets peoples attention when I hand them my keys.

    11. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Those were amazing times. I got a Dell Pentium 90 mid-1995, and it was over $3000. (To this day it is still the most expensive thing I've ever bought besides a home and cars/motorcycles). But the amazing part is that within a year it was somewhat outdated. But it got me through my CS program and so, I think, repaid itself many times over :)

    12. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by dingen · · Score: 2

      I just read on Wikipedia the original 5V Pentium 66 MHz had a TDP of 16W. Lol, that's crazy for a chip running at such a low clock speed. There are modern Ivy Bridge Mobile i5's running at 2 GHz with lower power consumption than an original Pentium.

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    13. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

      It ran on a full TTL +5V. So it sucked down power. Lots of power. I've disassembled first generation Pentium chips, removing the golden cover that protects the die beneath. The die is HUGE! Much bigger than any current production CPU.

      It may have run on a TTL +5V, but it was BiCMOS. Weighing in at 300mm2, it's less than a Westmere Xeon's 500mm2 and I think that's a pretty fair comparison of potential customers.

    14. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by black6host · · Score: 2

      I bought 11th hour, still content with my DX2/66. It played fine, until I got an upgrade. Then it ran awesome. I didn't realize how slow the game was running until then. Friggin amazing. Windows 95 could do things. Not just grind away and sort of do things.

      Wow, I remember that game all the time. It seems like once a month or so I'll hear something in a soundtrack in a movie, or a song, that is so close to the very distinctive music in that game.

      Of all the memories of my life that get triggered by sounds the 11th Hour (and 7th Guest) are the one that pops up most. I can still see the beckoning finger bones :) A lot of the puzzles in both were cool.

      Off topic I know, but since we're reminiscing I'll take the risk of a good mod thrashing :)

    15. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by RatBastard · · Score: 2

      Let's see... if we stay just with Intel: 8086 4.7Mhz, 80286 (forgot the speed), 80386SX 20, 80386 33, 80486 DX2/66, Pentium 133, 233, Celery 350 (2, one overclocked to 400), P3 500ish, and a slew of Core X and iX chips, and my Xeon-fueled Mac Pros.

      If we open it up to other CPUs, well, how much time have you got?

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    16. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      I loved the game as well, as it wasn't only good, but had a special place for me because it was the first game I bought myself. It also helped that CompUSA had mistagged half of the stock for $0.99

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    17. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Getting old sucks... I meant a Celery 333 overclocked to 450. And the P233 is obviously a P266.

      As you were.

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    18. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the Pentium 60 was the first one sold. A friend I knew had one. Wikipedia says the Pentium 66 actually ran at 5.15V.

    19. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, the Pentium 75 ran just fine at 90Mhz and was somewhat cheaper. I don't know of any other chip has been as routinely overclocked as that one was. The Pentium 90 was effectively "Pentium 75, Donate Us Money Edition".

      Still, don't feel bad, I got a 486, and you will understand what a real mistake that was ;)

    20. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you meant celery 300 overclocked to 450. 66mhz bus @ 4.5 multiplier from factory (=300mhz), upped to 100mhz bus (and down to 2/3 agp multiplier) gave 450.

      And there were p2 233s and 266s.

    21. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by XanC · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the first round or two of P3s also used the slot design. It was only the "flip chip" versions, I want to say starting with the 733MHz, that integrated the L2 cache on the die and went to Socket 370. This was the time period when the Celerons were often faster than the full-priced Pentiums: the Celerons had less L2 cache, but it was on the die in a Socket 370. Easily overclockable too. Put a couple of those in an Abit BP6 and you're really ahead of your time.

    22. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by RMingin · · Score: 1

      Actually, my Lenovo X220 has a Sandy Bridge i5 mobile at 17W. Two cores, HT, 2.5GHz clock, up to 3.1GHz on Turbo.

      i5-3210m

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    23. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by RMingin · · Score: 1

      And then I look it up. Sorry. i5-2520m. 35W. 3.2GHz max turbo.

      I hang my head in shame.

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    24. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the next in line for overclocking would be the Celeron 300A. All Celerons at the time were cache-stripped P2s, made to run on a 66MHz bus. However, most if not all 300A Celerons could handily work on a 100MHz bus, giving you a P2-450 with less cache.

    25. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had an old Compaq that was designed for these chips. The cooling was a 3 inch fan which had a shroud pointing at the heatsink. It's funny because compared to a modern desktop it was quite minimal, but apparently not having a passively cooled system seemed like a big deal at the time..

    26. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by dj245 · · Score: 1

      The 66MHz original Pentium. What a beast.

      It ran on a full TTL +5V. So it sucked down power. Lots of power. I've disassembled first generation Pentium chips, removing the golden cover that protects the die beneath. The die is HUGE! Much bigger than any current production CPU.

      These old chips have a non-insignificant amount of gold in them. according to this page, the original Pentiums have about $20 worth of gold in them.

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    27. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by cusco · · Score: 1

      I used to have a 4mb 32-pin SIMM for a keychain until the PCB finally broke. Thing cost my employer almost $300 new, and you had to buy them in pairs. Of course with 8mb of RAM the server would have been pretty well equipped for its day.

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    28. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by digitalsolo · · Score: 1

      That was the "Coppermine". I believe they clocked as low as 500 (5x100) or 533 (4x133), actually. They did steal the Celeron (which already had onboard cache, albeit half as much) socket 370, though most required new chipsets (there were some mainboard manufacturers who setup older chipset equipped boards to run the newer chips; they were generally better also, the early Coppermine chipsets had some production and then other issues.

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    29. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ran on a full TTL +5V. So it sucked down power.
      A bit misleading. The original Pentium ran on a +5V power rail, but is was implemented as BiCMOS at a 800nm node. If the whole thing was bipolar transistors, it would have melted...

    30. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong and Wrong. it was as the OP said.

      STFU ok? Go back to sleep.

    31. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I just had a big ass heatsink with a copper pad under it... And a case fan in the front.

    32. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Slot 1 P2s and P3s had the secondary cache running at 1/2 the processor's speed, but the Slot 1 Celerons had full-speed (smaller) cache, which was one reason why the Celeron 300A was such a stupendous overclocker.

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    33. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by MBCook · · Score: 1

      You're right that there were slot based PIIIs using the Katamai core, I owned one. When I wanted to buy a second processor years later I had a terrible time finding a non-coppermine version that I could use in my dual slot motherboard. I don't know if the L2 cache was still off-die at that point or not. I think digitalsolo is right that they didn't go on-die until they went to socket 370. That was one of the best computers I ever owned.

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    34. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by MBCook · · Score: 1

      Celeron. I'd forgotten that was how those started. They were just P2s without any external cache (and thus without any actual performance).

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    35. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      I have an Optiplex 9010 with an 3.5 GHz i7 3770 at work that actually draws as little as 30 watts (according to the UPS) - that's the entire machine (disks/memory etc).

    36. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      The way Windows evolved meant staying with Intel. Microsoft could have taken real advantage of the MIPS and Alphas by making NT a 64-bit workstation OS on those platforms, while letting Windows 95 be a 32-bit OS on Intel. Instead, in the long term, NT ended up being x86 only. In the meantime, all the other OSs that attempted to make it big fell by the wayside - OS/2, BeOS, Copland, NEXTSTEP (not counting the Apple merger), and the story was even uglier for most Unixes, since the entire RISC Unixstation industry was wiped out, as most RISC CPUs either died (Alpha, PA-RISC) or were relegated to servers or consoles or routers (SPARC, Itanium, POWER, MIPS)

    37. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by sootman · · Score: 1

      > I've disassembled first generation Pentium chips,
      > removing the golden cover that protects the die
      > beneath.

      Speaking of which, there's real gold in them thar chips! About $20 worth, if you still have any original Pentiums around.

      Pentium Pros have almost $50 worth. And to think, I gave away (or sold very cheaply -- I forget) a dual-PPro monster all those years ago...

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    38. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Dadoo · · Score: 2

      In fact, the latter was faster than a Pentium 75MHz for anything that didn't require the FPU.

      Or external bus access. A Pentium 90 could comfortably play Quake; an Am5x86/133 could not, because it only had a 32-bit external bus. Pentiums had a 64-bit external bus.

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    39. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Somehow I suspected that this thread will be rich in low UID's ;)

      (my first one was 5 digit one which I carelessly lost by forgetting the password)

    40. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by xhrit · · Score: 1

      You are correct. For the longest time I ran a dual 667mhz pentium 3's in an Intel OR840 Dual Slot 1 Workstation Board, with 2 gigs of rambus.

      That machine was such a beast - it benchmarked faster then 1.8 ghz pentium 4s. It was not until dual core pentium D's were released that I was willing to give up using it as my desktop. In fact the machine is still running right now as a firewall.

    41. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Shinobi · · Score: 1

      K5 was an absolute pile of dogshit, even without Winbond chipsets...

      Sure, if you got a system with a K5 to actually stay stable, it was fairly fast in Integer apps, as long as you didn't need to hit the caches too hard... And if you did some actual gaming(Quake, Descent etc), or tooled around with 3D graphics in Lightwave or such, you ran into the fact that the FPU performance was worse than crap... Oh, and tended to make the system really unstable too, no matter what chipset. Alas, it was the only PC I could afford back then =(

    42. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by xhrit · · Score: 1

      "The Katamai core, I owned one... That was one of the best computers I ever owned."

      Agreed. I absolutely loved mine. It was a p3 667, Dual Slot 1 OR840, 2gb rambus. I bought two matching machines; 2 motherboards, 4 cpus, 4 gigs of ram, 2 voodoo 5s (later upgrading to GeForce 5s). One for myself and one for my girlfriend. We ran the machines for almost 5 years, and did not upgrade until the dual core 3.0 mhz pentium D was released.

      One of the p3 machines is still running today, as a firewall.

      On a side note, the pentium D's lasted about a year and a half before they burnt out and were replaced with 32mn core 2 duos.

    43. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The die is HUGE! Much bigger than any current production CPU.

      No comparison to the Pentium Pro CPUs that came on the scene just a few years later, and then became the Xeon line. Socket 8 was mind-bogglingly huge.

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    44. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      Mine worked GREAT in Linux. Windows definitely hated them. Then again I had little use for Windows...

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    45. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Yours had 32 pins? Mine all have 30 pins. What were the extra pins for, and what sort of motherboard could they go into. I have some still. One set is in a Mac SE/30, another set in a Sun IPX.

    46. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Be fair, now. Anything can be transformed into a piece of shit by putting Windows 98 on it.

    47. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You probably also meant an 8088 at 4.77 MHz. Unless you're talking about some odd weird 'compatible,' the x86 clone motherboards of that era were all 8088 based. The AT&T 6300 had the 8086 processor and the wider 16-bit bus, but it was a weird semi-compatible.

      I still have a working 8086 box, but it's an Altos 586, which is an 8086 box that supports five users on Microsoft Xenix (Pre-SCO) in 512K of RAM.

    48. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Pentium Pros have the most gold in them. I have a pile of them in a box somewhere and should cash them in.

    49. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by cusco · · Score: 1

      Yep, brain fart. 30-pin SIMMs, which at the time sold for $70/mb. A classmate in college talked her husband into buying her 4mb of RAM for Christmas. She plugged for four SIMMs in, fired it up, and watched as it counted memory during the boot.

      1 mb
      2 mb
      3 mb
      4 mb
      5 mb
      ...
      15 mb
      16 mb

      The company has shipped her the wrong SIMMs, 4mb instead of 1mb. Her desktop PC ended up with more memory than either our Novell or LanTastic servers.

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    50. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I have a blog article about the MS OS/2 2.0 fiasco: http://yuhongbao.blogspot.ca/2012/12/about-ms-os2-20-fiasco-px00307-and-dr.html

    51. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Yea, what they actually did was to patent what is now the FSB with the Pentium Pro.

    52. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      In fact, the latter was faster than a Pentium 75MHz for anything that didn't require the FPU.

      Which is where the P75 part of the Am5x86-P75 name came from.

    53. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I remember back then I had a 386/40 board (CPU soldered on) that would run circles around the 486SX/25.

      Almost miss those days, Herc video card, I/O card, HD/FDD card, modem card, and fighting jumper settings for I/O addresses and interrupts. You almost had to sit down with pen and paper to map out your settings before you added anything. Then spend half the day getting config.sys and autoexec.bat and QEMM working right. Bog help you if you wanted to add a network card!

      Now excuse me as I go yell at the damn kids on my lawn.

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    54. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Are you sure he didn't have the non-A version, AKA the original Celeron with no L2 cache? Those things were dogs, and the older Pentium MMX would run circles around it. With no L2 cache it was a decent overclocker, but without the L2 cache the clock speed didn't matter.

    55. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      "Am5x86/133, which was RIDICULOUSLY popular for several years"

      One of those is still humming along in an old DOS/98 Gaming rig (at 4*40), no fan, just an epoxyed northbridge heatsink for cooling. I just need to modify an ATX psu to power that motherboard...

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    56. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      I remember having two of those (in socket form) humming at around 500 (112FSB) in a BP6. God that thing was fast...

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    57. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      No, that was never the reason. There were several excuses used but none of them were ever actually legitimate reasons for doing it. You just weren't smart enough to realize that from an engineering perspective, every single excuse they used was exactly the opposite of the way reality works. Those chips all already had onboard cache for instance. Hell, the 386 had on chip cache. They just added a new block, named it something different and you bought the excuse hook, line and sinker.

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    58. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Sigh, you remember things differently than reality.

      Linux 'worked great' on them because at that stage, it didn't really do many useful things and it certainly wasn't optimized and taking advantage of all the quirks and tricks the hardware had to offer. You're referring to a time in Linux's infancy.

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    59. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Yea, I miss the days of working with crappy hardware, crappy software, and a time when developers thought it was perfectly acceptable that pretty much every program on the computer should be its own OS and have drivers for everything it needed directly.

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    60. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I had a 386DX/33 with 16kb cache. When I swapped in a 486DLC the speed doubled. Probably the your 386 had a cache and the 486SX didn't. That cache made a lot of difference when memory had wait states.
      Even then IRQs weren't too bad. Disable COM2 (COM1 was the mouse) and set the modem to the same, my video card didn't use an IRQ and for a sound card I had a Pro Audio Spectrum which could set its IRQs with software (config.sys entry) and came with a program to test IRQs and DMA so you could find some that worked (it also had a sound blaster clone on board). I was running OS/2 so you also had to be careful to have the same settings in DOS and OS/2.

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    61. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Well NT was actually 32 bit unlike Win95 which was mostly 16 bit. This was really obvious if you ran them on a Pentium Pro with NT getting a 50% speedup compared to similar clocked Pentium and WIn95 not getting any speedup. Seems Microsoft had told Intel that everything would be 32 bit so Intel focused on speeding up 32 bit software. Interestingly OS/2 got the same speedup as NT even though it was partially 16 bit.

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    62. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      lol, I worked with Kernel 0.99a and the Walnut Creek collection you either ordered via postal mail, or you could get the 8 floppy disk image off some FIDONET BBSes (my friend ran one). You could do TCP/IP, including a number of things that would otherwise require expensive software to do. TWM was FAR ahead of anything you could get otherwise, which would have been at the time Windows for Warthogs. NetWare 3.0 was born right around the same time, soon after that Novell also acquired UnixWare.

      We ran web servers, mail servers, workstations, etc on that vintage of software. Who had something comparable? The other options in 1993 were Windows for Workgroups 3.11, some version of NetWare, Mac System 7 (no multitasking at all), and AmigaDOS (much more capable but tied to aging hardware). Granted, there weren't a billion tons of software for it, but I could run X apps, run DOS apps, and had a pretty nice software tool chain.

      You can say Linux was "in its infancy" but the competition wasn't that impressive and it was actually one of the better things going (though TBH BSD was mostly a better choice for production stuff at that point).

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    63. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Except that it didn't.

      AT BEST they had 36 bit internal memory buses, it wasn't until at least the P4 before intel CPUs actually did 64bit buses for anything except special instructions (MMX/SSE). The standard data paths were 32 bits externally for data until the 64 bit transition, less for addressing until we finally started getting chips that could physically address more than 4 gigs of memory when it went up to 36 bits, before the 64 bit transition. The data bus is (since p4/celeronD) 64 bit internal AND external, and the address bus is a virtual 64 bit internal, while actually being implemented as a 48 bit bus if I recall correctly, with a limited number of those pins made available external to the CPU for actual addressing of physical ram.

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    64. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Or just buy an adaptor for ATX to AT which would end up costing you less in the end and saving you time. Sometimes hacks aren't the solution.

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    65. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Nethead · · Score: 1

      You're right, I forgot the sound card. Bog help if you had a MIDI card too. ISA was such a blast!

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    66. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      Except that it didn't.

      You'd think that, on Slashdot, people would try to know what they're talking about, before they make idiots of themselves, but I guess not.

      http://download.intel.com/design/pentium/datashts/24199710.pdf

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    67. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by rs79 · · Score: 1

      That would have been an 8088, not 8086, yes? The latter were comparatively rare, PC's used the former.

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    68. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

      No, Slot 1 was to allow them to put the cache on the same board as the processor soldered down so they could sell you the cache RAM instead of empty sockets you could fill with cheaper SRAM from another company.

      And yeah, once they moved the L2 cache RAM on-die, there was no advantage to slot 1 anymore and a ton of downside in the cost of it. So they dumped it.

      Intel has frequently leveraged their CPU dominance to try to become the #1 seller for other items on the motherboard too. They did it with their special gigabit ethernet chips that attached to the FSB instead of PCI for example.

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    69. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by swalve · · Score: 1

      It was the Celeron 266 that had no L2 cache that you could easily kick up to 400 mhz and blow away Pentiums. The newer ones with some L2 cache were harder to overclock.

      And yes, slot 1 was nominally designed to allow for the cache to be closer to the processor, but it had the convenient side effect of locking out competitors.

    70. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by swalve · · Score: 1

      It depended on what you used it for. I forget the specifics, but I think if you were into gaming, they worked just fine. Only cache-heavy workloads suffered.

    71. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by swalve · · Score: 1

      One of the fastest (relative to the time) computers I ever saw was a 386 DX (with 387 math coprocessor) with 20mb of ram. It ran Windows for Workgroups 3.11 like a champ. We used it at the house as a fileserver for an embarrassingly long time. On Token Ring.

      The next relative fastest computer I ever saw was a Compaq Workstation with a 400 mhz Pentium II, all SCSI drives and Rambus memory. I swear it installed Windows NT4 in 45 seconds. Blazing!

      My current "holy shit, look at that" computer is a Proliant dl380 g6 (or g7, I forget) running Netware. Boots up in no time, and when the screen saver kicks in, there are something like 24 little processor worms crawling around the screen.

    72. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      The 300A was the version with no cache

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    73. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by metallurge · · Score: 1

      Other whitebox OS options in 1993 were Xenix, SCO, BSD/386, and Minix. I think I still have my WorkGroup Systems disks/book as well as my Walnut Creek CDROMs. And my SIMTEL CDROMs.

    74. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Xenix was already IIRC also owned by SCO at that point (MS owned it for a bit before that). They were both (SCO and Xenix) expensive and not particularly fun OSes. BSD/386 and I guess it was FreeBSD were really your best x86 options at the time.

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    75. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well not quite. The first and biggest CPU was the P5, which was 3.1 million transistors on 0.8 micrometer process, with a die area of 293.92mm.

      That's pretty big for a consumer CPU.

      But the Core-i7 3970X has 2.3 billion transistors on 32nm process for 435 mm die area.

      And even that is a long way short of the largest die sizes. Nehalem-EX processors are 684mm. That size is generally regarded as near the reticle size limit of modern photolithography tools, and other high end CPUs tend to be limited around there too (e.g., IBM's high end POWER and mainframe CPUs seem to remain under 700mm).

    76. Re:Ahh, Pentium. by default+luser · · Score: 1

      No, Slot 1 was to allow them to put the cache on the same board as the processor soldered down so they could sell you the cache RAM instead of empty sockets you could fill with cheaper SRAM from another company.

      There is actually a better reason Intel made this change with Slot 1:

      They moved the cache to a Back-side bus (introduced on the PPro), which meant better cache performance (no shared bus traffic) and higher throughput (clock independent of FSB). Unfortunately this required faster cache chips (half core clock), so to guarantee compatibility AND quality Intel included them on a package.

      In the days of Sockets 1-7, people often bought cheap bogus cache chips. This continued to be a problem in the later years (when motherboards came with already soldered cache) - second and third-tier motherboard makers often cut corners with fake cache chips, and unless you were an enthusiast/hacker you'd never be able to tell the difference. This gave Intel a bad name because people spent hundreds of dollars on their chips and got 486-class performance!

      The on-package cache was an acknowledgement by Intel that this was a serious black eye on their reputation for quality, so they took the extra cost of selling slot packages instead of PGAs until they could offer an on-die solution (see Socket 370 only for Celerons, and later FCPGA socket for all Coppermine processors).

      And no, for the last time - Intel made no additional money off reselling those cache chips. At the time they already had processors costing hundreds to thousands of dollars, and those price ranges didn't change with the introduction of the Pentium II.

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  4. Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by dingen · · Score: 2

    This article has some original iComp benchmark scores, rating the 66MHz Pentium at a heady 565, compared with 297 for the 66MHz 486DX2, which was the fastest chip available prior to the Pentium launch.

    I'm amazed by these scores. I remember having a fairly fast 486 DX4 @ ~100 MHz (probably by Cyrix or AMD perhaps) at the time the Pentiums started to become popular. I got the impression that a Pentium 66 or 75 would actually be a downgrade for me, but maybe that hadn't been the case.

    I eventually switched when the Pentium Overdrive came out, so I could keep my 486 mainboard but still have a faster Pentium chip in my machine. That was a pretty sweet deal.

    I can't believe this is all 20 years ago, it feels like only yesterday.

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    1. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      The Pentium's biggest strength was its FPU. It completely outclassed the 486's (per clock cycle) by a ridiculous margin.

      The problem is back then very few applications actually used the FPU, because there were still so many systems on the market without them. The 486SX was an insanely popular chip, and it lacked an FPU. There were still 386s floating around, and competitor CPUs as well.

      Once games like Quake started coming out, which used the FPU heavily, the Pentium became a lot more alluring because it was no longer an integer-math world. Quake ran like pure shite even on the 5x86/133, which would trample early Pentiums easily on integer math.

    2. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by jest3r · · Score: 2

      Diamond Monster 3D pass through card.

      That's was the ticket to Quake Awesomeness.

    3. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We loaded Quake on the first Pentium Pro system which came into the office. Ran at 1280x1024 @ nice frame rate on the CPU only. "HD Gaming" in 1996!

    4. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A DX4-100 was nearly the same speed as a Pentium 60 for most tasks. Intel didn't introduce a high end 486 in part because it would have embarassed them by being faster than low end Pentiums.

      There were actually different kinds of DX4. The second revision was somewhat faster as it had faster write-back cache. Adittionally, while some had locked x3 multipliers, others did not and were intended to run at 50Mhz x2 where possible.

      A DX4-100MHz with write back cache and 50Mhz local bus would be substantially faster than one with 33Mhz local bus and no write back.

      I eventually switched when the Pentium Overdrive came out, so I could keep my 486 mainboard but still have a faster Pentium chip in my machine. That was a pretty sweet deal.

      The DX4-100 was usually faster than the 83Mhz Pentium Overdrive so I guess you were hitting that Pentium FPU alot

    5. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Your 486DX4-100 was most certainly faster than a Pentium 66, and on par with a 75 if not a bit better. At least for the vast majority of software out at the time. My DX4 lasted me well into 1997, but by that point the affordable Pentiums were into the 200Mhz+ range and MMX was all the rage, so it became a more obvious upgrade.

      The only people who ever ran 66s and 75s when they were current were those with money to burn.

      Man, I miss how simple things were back then. When clockspeed actually meant something, and there was a pretty linear relationship between it and performance. I haven't cared about CPU performance in nearly a decade. I just get whatever $100 gets me, and I'm ALWAYS I/O- or (less these days) RAM-bound.

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    6. Re:Was the Pentium really that much faster than? by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      Quake ran like pure shite even on the 5x86/133

      I imagine this had as much to do with the Pentium's 64-bit external data bus, as it had with the FPU. Pentiums were capable of moving data (from processor to memory) at nearly twice the rate of a 5x86/133. (Higher fill rates.)

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  5. Quake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget the floating point speed improvements that led to Quake running like a beast on Pentiums, but like a dog on 486s.

    In all seriousness, the Pentium wasn't the real tipping point imho. Intel didn't really get things perfected until the Pentium 2, if I recall.

    1. Re:Quake! by dingen · · Score: 1

      The Pentium MMX was really popular with gamers. I actually skipped the Pentium II because AMD's K6 was imho a much better deal. I only switched back to Intel when the Pentium III came out.

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  6. It's all about the pentiums, baby! by Kemanorel · · Score: 4, Informative

    From his royal Weirdness...

    All About the Pentiums

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    1. Re:It's all about the pentiums, baby! by antdude · · Score: 1

      Hehe, it still kicks arse. Don't forget Blue Man Group's commercials for P3s and P4s.

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  7. Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure I'm interested in such things. My 486SX 25 is just fine for playing Police Quest 2.

  8. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overpowered, you mean. Those old games ran on 8086's...

  9. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    I had a 486SX/25... overclocked to 33MHz!

    I was a total badass. You can feel the badassery radiating from my body! Mwahahaha.

  10. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by dingen · · Score: 1

    My dad had a 486 SX while I had a mere 386... but it was a DX running at 40 MHz, so it was actually better for playing Doom! Muahahaha.

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  11. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Nimey · · Score: 1

    I had a machine with one of those Pentium-83 Overdrives that plugged into an SX-33's socket. Unfortunately this computer didn't have any secondary SRAM cache so it ran approximately like a DX2-66.

    Back in the day, it took about 90 minutes to compile a 2.0.36 kernel, but it ran Duke3D and Descent well (dual boot).

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  12. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by BobNET · · Score: 1

    A 486SX 25? Are you made of money!? My Tandy 1000SX is just fine for playing Police Quest 2!

  13. Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by BLToday · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing them but I can't track down the official release.

    1. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by dingen · · Score: 1

      I don't think that was every officially released. I remember 60 and 66 MHz were the original clock speeds, with 75 MHz and 90 MHz added not much later.

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    2. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I dont remember those.

      It was: 60, 66.
      Then 90, 100.
      Then 75.
      Then above.

    3. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by stox · · Score: 1

      I'm fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember those were distributed as engineering samples prior to the official release of the Pentium 60's.

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    4. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, P5 engineering samples were produced running at only 50MHz. They were called the Q0335 but were never officially released.

      Peter.

    5. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by TuringCheck · · Score: 4, Funny
      I remember one of my teachers arriving in class and saying "I have a '486 in my pocket!"

      We all went "Wow!", "Cool!", "Can I see it?"

      So he extracts a 7486 IC from his pocket.

      Some people are mean...

    6. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 1

      The 60/66 MHz versions were rather special ones, because starting with 75MHz they had a new socket. Not sure why.

    7. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      I do. I remember watching the march of cpus... hent they hit 100 and math-co pros on the same die we started creamin' our jeans...

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    8. Re:Any old timers remember the Pentium 50 Mhz? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Sure it wasn't a 486DX2 50MHz?

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  14. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Well you wanted the EGA Graphics.

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  15. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a 486SX/25... overclocked to 33MHz!

    I was a total badass. You can feel the badassery radiating from my body! Mwahahaha.

    Well, there is SOMETHING radiating from your body but it sure isn't badassery. :P

  16. No tributes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    No tributes should be paid to this abomination of micro architecture. The x86 ISA should have been shot dead and discarded of 20 years ago already. Porting code is more and more turning into a matter of just selecting a different architecture before you build. Will we ever move on? It's time to let go of your 30 year old corpses of x86 object code.

  17. But it's no P6 chip! by sdguero · · Score: 1
    1. Re:But it's no P6 chip! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't hold a candle to the 1286 processor from LawnmowerMan II...

  18. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad had a 486 SX while I had a mere 386... but it was a DX running at 40 MHz, so it was actually better for playing Doom! Muahahaha.

    Ahh, the AMD 386DX 40, friend of mine back then introduced me to DOOM running properly on one of those, which he had at the time. His lawyer father presented him with a brand new Intel 486DX33 and he told me I could have his AMD 386DX 40 with a then mind blowing 16MB of RAM to take home with me and keep so he would have room to set up the new one. Had just finished re-installing DOS, Windows, DOOM etc and grabbed a backpack when he called saying he wanted his AMD386DX40 back. He brought it back to me after later getting 486 DX2 66 with VLB video. My son loved it when I handed it over to him.

  19. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Hatta · · Score: 1

    That's way too fast for Police Quest 2. Hell, that's probably too fast for Wing Commander. But not fast enough for DOOM, at least for someone who is used to smooth frame rates on modern FPS. I find DOOM barely playable on my 486dx2/66 with 256k cache. Gets around 25fps.

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  20. Perspective by Paperweight · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you performed a calculation that took a week to complete on a modern Core i7 2600k, you'd still be waiting for your Pentium 1 to finish the same calculation even with a 20 year head start!

    Source

  21. 20 years ago! by fishbonz · · Score: 2

    I feel so old now :(

    1. Re:20 years ago! by Psyko · · Score: 1

      You and me both brother... When I saw that article that's the first thing I said... 20 years? F*** I feel old :(

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    2. Re:20 years ago! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember 20 years ago when my life was much more enjoyable. Hell I remember 30 years ago when my life was simple - homework and high school. Kids these days have it much better in terms of career research and generally seem fairly decent people. My goodness, the thirty-year high school reunion is this year. I feel like I should have achieved considerably more by now...during the last eight years I have been unemployed total of 4 years non-consecutive. I want to clutch my Commodore VIC-20 and go back to the 1980s just after graduation from high school.

  22. But actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    The post fails to mention the real reason that this line was significant: The Pentium and its successors were the first computer chips designed by the marketing department rather than the engineering department!

    1. Re:But actually... by MBCook · · Score: 2

      Um... no. The pentiums were a major leap because that was when they moved to superscalar execution. They were great processors.

      I assume you're referring to the name "Pentium" instead of calling it the 586, which was done because Intel lost a lawsuit and courts ruled they couldn't copyright numbers.

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    2. Re:But actually... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Pentium and its successors were the first computer chips designed by the marketing department rather than the engineering department!

      Uh, you misspelled 'Altivec' up there.

    3. Re:But actually... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You must mean trademark.

    4. Re:But actually... by swalve · · Score: 1

      The Pentium 4 "netburst" bullshit was the marketing chip. Maybe the Pentium 2 as well, they didn't seem all that much faster. The current Core idea is the successor to the 386/Pentium Pro/Pentium III line of chips.

  23. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I put 8MB of 30-pin SIMMS into a (then old) 386-DX40 with no math coprocessor and got it to launch Quake under Linux.
    It was unplayable, but didn't crash, so I launched a 2nd instance.

    The OS churned away at about 30 seconds per frame - still no crashing and easy task switching to other shells.
    Linux is solid as a rock.

  24. The name by LiavK · · Score: 2

    There's a nice New Yorker podcast from a couple of years ago that discusses what went into picking the name: http://www.newyorker.com/online/2011/10/03/111003on_audio_colapinto . It was done by Lexicon Branding, who actually write code to break up words into phonems and then remix those sounds into new words. The program spits out lists of candidates that are then vetted by the linguists at Lexicon. I found it a really interesting discussion.

  25. But the PowerPC... by Stormwatch · · Score: 0
    1. Re:But the PowerPC... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      MHz to MHz, the PPCs and Pentiums were at par. And what hurt the PPC was the fact that Apple's OS for that was System 7, which was a cooperative multitasking system, and Apple fell way behind Microsoft while developing Copland. The rest is history.

    2. Re:But the PowerPC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On integer, yes. With the Pentium even a bit faster on string manipulations. On floating point, a modest 603e (not the beefier 604) crushed even a PPro with its nightmarish stack based FPU (8 regs vs 32, fused FMA on PPC). I know, I wrote FFT for a living at the time.

  26. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only he had realised he could've overclocked his 486 DX33 to 40Mhz ;)

  27. 20 years old? wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i didn't realize that the Pentium processor is this old. I had a Pentium 4 that ran about 2.6 Ghz or something before I bought a new computer. The Pentium 4 chip ran hotter than my dual core processor too. The P4 ran at 140 degrees F. Yes, the CPU and case fan were running. lol Yeah, 140 degrees was hotter than my old IDE drive running at 110 degrees.

    Oh yeah, the P4 had hyper threading and MMX. Fun stuff. Motherboard had an AGP x4 video card, no PCI express. I don't think it even had USB 2.0. interesting how different older computers are compared to the new dual and quad core and eight core computer systems.

    never heard of a 486 until now. thanks for posting.

    1. Re:20 years old? wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      never heard of a 486 until now. thanks for posting.

      WTF...I remember the 486s (as a kid we had a lowsy 486SX) but I know what an 8088 is. Please turn in your geek card at the nearest Frys.

    2. Re:20 years old? wow by swalve · · Score: 1

      Jesus. I remember when I started high school, they had just replaced some old big iron Unix machine (complete with glassed in room and separate HVAC and all that 1980s bling) with a 486 and a serial port multiplexer. And blew it away in performance. The thing easily supported a room full of 30 terminals all compiling our simple C (or Pascal or BASIC) programs. It really is sort of amazing how much computing power we "waste" with our stupid GUIs.

  28. 68000 by labnet · · Score: 1

    Back in the day, most engineers wish IBM had gone with motorollas 68000 rather than the address hobbled 8086 series. Oh how we hated paging 640k hell.

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    1. Re:68000 by slew · · Score: 2

      Back in the day, most engineers wish IBM had gone with motorollas 68000 rather than the address hobbled 8086 series. Oh how we hated paging 640k hell.

      That might have just traded one set of problems for another. For example, Apple went the 68K route with their Macs. The early versions of the 68K family only implemented 24/32 address bits, so some clever programmers (like those on their OS team) hid all sorts of pointer tags in the MSBs (like lock-bits). When Apple finally transitioned to the 68020, those clever pointer-tags hacks came back to bite them in a major way.

      Maybe the 8088 wasn't the best overall technical choice, but from a business perspective: the availablity of more 8080-derived OSs (like CP/M 86), and the fact that the 68008 was pretty crappy/buggy at the time and its peripheral chips weren't available in volume on IBM's schedule compared with the 8088 which was ready to go probably were issues that tipped the balance.

    2. Re:68000 by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Certainly more silicon chip vendors wished IBM had gone with the 68000. Because they would have been able to design and sell a heck of a lot of new chips to IBM to support a machine with a 16 bit data bus. By chosing the 8088, they could incorporate all the off-the shelf that 8-bit bus support chips (8250, 8255, 8251, etc.) that were already on the market.

      No, IBM was really smart to use a lower-end chip that already had a robust family of peripheral chips matched to it.

    3. Re:68000 by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Personally my favorite topic is the MS OS/2 2.0 fiasco that is about the 386, which is much much worse: http://yuhongbao.blogspot.ca/2012/12/about-ms-os2-20-fiasco-px00307-and-dr.html

    4. Re:68000 by swalve · · Score: 1

      Exactly. IBM's goal was to make a "cheap" "personal" computer. Nobody needed crazy shit like 16 bits and 1mb of ram to simply be a word processor and Visicalc box sitting on a secretary's desk being used by only one person.

    5. Re:68000 by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Can you summarise that blog to something coherent ?

    6. Re:68000 by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Important people within IBM actually didn't want to make too powerful a machine. The IBM PC was supposed to be a peripheral 'smart terminal' box attached to IBM Mainframes. At least that was one 'side' of the internal struggle within IBM.

  29. Are we sure it's really 20, and not 21? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Was the calculation done on a Pentium?

    (Sorry, had to make the obvious joke.)

  30. Moore's Law? Let's see... by RandCraw · · Score: 1

    If 66 MHz was state of the art in 1993 and Moore's Law predicts a doubling of density (effectively clock rate) every 18 months, then 20 years/1.5 years = 13.3. So clock rates should be 2^13.3 times faster today, about 10,000x, or 66 MHz x 10,000 = 6.6 GHz, which is actually twice as fast as today's max of 3.2 GHz.

    Given that 3.2 GHz Pentiums arrived on the market about 10 years ago (2002) but haven't moved since, it seems Moore's Law was clearly pessimistic for the Pentium's first 10 years and wildly optimistic for the last 10.

    Of course the introduction of multicores Pentiums was a hack borne of desperation. The amount of speedup per app from a 2013 quad core Sandy Bridge @ 2.5 GHz over a 2002 P6 @ 3.2 GHz is... Ugh.

    Has the speedup of the Pentium really gone negative? Has multicore-ing it caused the demerits of Amdahl's Law to finally overtake the merits of Moore's Law?

  31. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

    You've got it Amdahl's vs Moore and it has always been there. Density is roughly doubling as per Moore. Amdahl pretty much means we have a limited opportunity to find more work to parallelize so we need to find more different things to do. You won't be able to parallelize the heck out of everything if for no other reason than some logic is inherently serial and waiting on slower I/O. So They split off to multicore but still doesn't create more parallel work. At some point silly things like predictive branching or computing both sides of a branch ahead of time and then keeping the winner only gets you so far especially since in the first case you can be wrong sometimes, and the second you are guaranteed that you won't need one side of the calculation (so you are creating extra work just to be sure you have the result when needed and to avoid idle hardware).

  32. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had one of those P24T Pentium overdrives. I got it at Best Buy. It had been returned a few times and every time someone returned it they cut the price more.I ran it at 100mhz. It did perform a lot better than a DX2-66 on Quake which was the big thing back then. For the most part it was like a P75 or better.

    I had tried it in two different montherboards and in both cases it made the floppy fail to work, but otherwise it rocked. VLBUS all the way :)

    Intel should have never made an 83mhz. Thing ran fine at 100mhz :)

  33. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If 66 MHz was state of the art in 1993 and Moore's Law predicts a doubling of density (effectively clock rate) every 18 months...

    The problem with what you are saying is that doubling of density != doubling clock rate! nothing could be further from the truth. Moores law only pertains to the number of transistors that can be squeezed into a given space and does not at all speak to clock frequency. An i7 + gpu is over a one billion transistors vs about 3 million for a pentium 1.

  34. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I had a 486DX33. I was unintentionally badass for quite awhile because I had the AT-bus multiplier set wrong on my motherboard for a long, long time. I don't remember the exact figure, but I was running the clock on the IO channel about 33% faster. I didn't notice it until I eventually plugged in a card that wouldn't run faster than the design and figured out why.

  35. I think everyone forgot about... by Quantos · · Score: 1

    the 486 dx4/120. I loved that processor.

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  36. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If 66 MHz was state of the art in 1993 and Moore's Law predicts a doubling of density (effectively clock rate) every 18 months, then 20 years/1.5 years = 13.3. So clock rates should be 2^13.3 times faster today, about 10,000x, or 66 MHz x 10,000 = 6.6 GHz, which is actually twice as fast as today's max of 3.2 GHz.

    If AMD hadn't suffered management-inspired design failures or low-power hadn't displaced performance as a priority then Intel would be at 6.6GHz today. The Ivy Bridge can easily be run at far higher speeds, infact Intel used a duff heat disappation system in the chip to stop extreme overclocks. Haswell is just around the corner too.

  37. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by RandCraw · · Score: 1
    Nothing could be further from the truth? Then you're saying the relationship between clock rate and density is inverse?

    In fact, clock rate and density have grown inseparable. Compare these plots of Clock speed (p. 61) with Moore's Law (p.67):

    1. Clock Speed
    2. vs.
    3. Moore's Law

    The two curves are doppelgangers.

  38. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    Clock rates aren't a measurement of density or processing ability. Moore's 'law' is that the number of transistors that can be (and are being) stuffed onto chips doubles approximately every 18 months.

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  39. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    66Mhz x 10,000. = 660,000Mhz = 660Ghz

    Not that Moores law predicted clock speeds.

  40. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by RandCraw · · Score: 1

    Yikes. Time for me to repeat 6th grade math.

    As to whether Moore's Law fails to predict clock rate, I'm not so sure. In the first decade of the Pentium, ML accurately predicted clock rate within 2X. (Starting at 66 MHz, rising 2x each 1.5 years, that's 10/1.5 = 6.66, or 2^6.66, or 100x, or 66 MHz x 100x = 6.6 GHz, which is only 2x larger than life. That's pretty accurate, IMHO.

    But Moore's Law fails to predict clock rates of the Pentium only during the past decade, where at 660 GHz, its estimate is 200x too large. Clearly the difference between those two decades reveals a sea change in the life of the Pentium (and CMOS in general).

  41. Re:Moore's Law? Let's see... by swalve · · Score: 1

    Moore's law specifies transistor density, and clock speed is just a side effect. Also, a Core i7 probably outperforms whatever a Pentium 6.6gHz would be.

  42. 'Suffered' same, BUT "upgraded"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I too had a 486 SX/25mhz CPU as my 1st PC I ever bought (after I traded in a comic book collection I had built since 1972) in 1991. However - I didn't consider it 'suffering' though - I considered it LEARNING to deal with PC's @ the hardware level in fact, & enough so I was employed doing it in a year or two later, simply because of what I ended up doing in upgrading my own rig, + learning doing it:

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    1.) It had only 64kb of cache on the motherboard that I upgraded to the 256kb limit possible on that motherboard, & to a FASTER type too (from 15ns to 10ns iirc).

    (Which was doable IF you could stand the price of the "Tag SRAMs" that is (& IF you didn't mind pulling up those chips + replacing them)).

    2.) I ended up upgrading that system to a Dx/4 133mhz CPU too, but to do so, I also had to change the tiny 'clock' oscillator also (25mhz -> 33mhz) doing some soldering for that to work out right.

    3.) The system also originally only had 4mb 30-pin "fastpage" RAM on it - & that ended up being boosted to 32mb of the same type, just more of it (faster internal clockings on the newer RAM too).

    4.) That rig also ended up with a TekRam DC-600 (iirc) 16mb Caching ISA RAID 1-0 controller too (on dual Western Digital 212-424mb IDE disks @ 5,400rpm iirc) where it had none before that, just a "Super I/O" card that controlled floppies, CD-Rom, & IDE disks. I used the DC-600T Vesa Local Bus model (VLB) on rigs later that featured that faster bus circuit too (good stuff - caching controllers help speed up the slowest things - hard disks, & on both reads/writes!).

    5.) Combined in the end with a Diamond Stealth 1mb "VRAM" 24 "Windows Accelerator" videocard (coming up from a 256k stock SVGA videocard).

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    (For its day, it was a FAST system @ the end of all that - probably fast as its type, ISA bus, could be in fact...)

    Those upgrades ended up making it VERY "competitive" for things vs. Pentium 60 class newer rigs (with VLB/Vesa Local Bus too on them) vs. that old ISA system (packed with tons of caching RAM types on it + upped from stock clocks on CPU & better video by far)...

    APK

    P.S.=> I even patterned my current home system after that one's design (& I have ever since in fact on every machine SINCE that original one which I still have no less), by using:

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    A.) Fast CPU's (MultiCore Intel Core I7 920)
    B.) Fast video (NVidia GeForce 470 GTX)
    C.) Fast disks (Dual WD 10,000rpm "Velociraptors" with 16mb cache on them)
    D.) The disks are combined with a Promise Ex-8350 PCI-Express 128mb ECC Ram Caching RAID controller
    E.) A Gigabyte IRAM PCI Express "True SSD" based on DDR2 RAM for storing:

    Pagefile.sys
    %temp% ops
    %comspec%
    Logging @ BOTH the OS + application level
    Webbrowser caching & browsers on it

    (For fastest possible seek/access/load-store + to offload the slower mechanical disks of those tasks & more...)

    This latter parts in SSD application ends up offloading the MAIN "C" drive used to be done on separate HardDisks other than C, now I do that on SSD's since they're quicker thus, 'speeding up' the slower HDD's by them NOT having to do those tasks (reducing fragmentation on them too, bonus, which slows them even moreso)!

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    I kept that type of design thru ALL of my future systems, where applicable that is!

    (E.G.-> For years, I did without SOME parts: Such as the case of when I couldn't FIND a caching disk controller during the PCI 2.2 bus era, & for a LONG time in fact, + I haven't always used SSD's of non-FLASH design either - 1st was in 2002 iirc with a CENATEK RocketDrive PCI unit with PC-133 SDRAM - before that, I used software ramdisks to compensate that much @ least...).

    I design s

  43. 386 by chris.evans · · Score: 1

    I ember I had got a 386sx33 in 1993 and used that for all the programming until 2004 when I upgraded to k6 amd

  44. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barely playable on your 486? You probably had an ISA video card! VESA baby!

  45. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Nope, I'm using a VLB Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM T. I'm just spoiled by getting 60FPS on my modern machine.

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  46. Re:Wait... There's something faster than a Pentium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was I think due to ISA bus. Had to buy a PCI card as I noticed Doom was being held down by my Trident. I bought a Diamond Stealth64 for ~200$.