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IRS Spent $60,000 Producing Star Trek Parody

An anonymous reader writes According to the AP, the IRS is being "scolded for spending $60,000 dollars on an elaborate parody video that played at a 2010 conference. 'The video features an elaborate set depicting the control room, or bridge, of the spaceship featured in the hit TV show. IRS workers portray the characters, including one who plays Mr. Spock, complete with fake hair and pointed ears. The production value is high even though the acting is what one might expect from a bunch of tax collectors. In the video, the spaceship is approaching the planet 'Notax,' where alien identity theft appears to be a problem.' You can find the hilarious and/or nausea-inducing video on YouTube."

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  1. Our Tax Dollars by pubwvj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, this is better than some of the things our government spends our tax dollars on...

    1. Re:Our Tax Dollars by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Like the F-35?

      It can't even go to warp.

    2. Re:Our Tax Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which F-35? The imaginary Navy one, or the imaginary Army one, or the imaginary Air Force one, or the imaginary combined version, or the imaginary one that won't kill the pilot due to mechanical and electrical failures?

    3. Re:Our Tax Dollars by leromarinvit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, this is better than some of the things our government spends our tax dollars on...

      I agree. Make Star Trek parodies, not war!

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    4. Re:Our Tax Dollars by SylvesterTheCat · · Score: 2

      Since the Army does not own or operated fixed wing combat aircraft, that is the only portion which is based on fact.

    5. Re:Our Tax Dollars by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The IRS doesn't levy taxes. Congress does.

    6. Re:Our Tax Dollars by chill · · Score: 2

      The IRS will attach a tax lien on the priory. If/when the property is sold, the lien comes of the top. They no longer have the right to force a tax sale on your primary residence.

      Second house, cars, boats, etc yes. Primary residence pretty much no, except in the case of tax fraud.

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    7. Re:Our Tax Dollars by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Liens, yes. Seizing a primary residence is almost unheard of now, except in the case of tax fraud. Back in the day this was common, but reform in the 80s changed the rules.

      "I can't afford it" will get you liens, garnishment and a payment plan but not your primary residence taken.

      "Income tax is Unconstitutional, I refuse to pay" is a whole 'nother story. Better supply your own lube."

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    8. Re:Our Tax Dollars by amiga3D · · Score: 2
    9. Re:Our Tax Dollars by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      You have been misinformed. http://defensetech.org/2012/04/13/army-wants-to-replace-c-12-fleet/

      Yeah, the C-12 is not a combat aircraft, it's a transport aircraft. Carrying cargo does not count as combat, no matter what kind of cargo it is carrying (not unless the cargo is dropped midflight, and is explosive, in which case it's a "bomber", and not cargo but a payload). Combat aricraft are aircraft that engage in combat, and the Army is forbidden to operate any (the Air Force considers that their job). In fact, you can see the list of aircraft they do operate here.

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    10. Re:Our Tax Dollars by Macgrrl · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is beginning to sound parroty

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  2. Wrong... by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They spent all that money, and they still couldn't get the right uniforms.

    1. Re:Wrong... by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I lost it at "I've already spent my per diem for the day". An accounting wonk who doesn't know what "per diem" means? Guy needs a new job.

    2. Re:Wrong... by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The porno version had that problem as well.

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    3. Re:Wrong... by niftydude · · Score: 2

      The I.T. crowd star trek parody got the uniforms right...

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    4. Re:Wrong... by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      How is that a different definition? The correct way to use it would be "I've already spent my per diem." The "for the day" implied by the term itself

      To be fair, it's often the case in the real world that a "per diem" payment is calculated and payed out in blocks of time other than one day. I've received per diem payments that were for time periods measured in days, weeks, and months.

      I simply received a corporate check for the amount. I could have used it at any rate I wished, whether spending it all the first day or the last day or however I saw fit.

      Temporary monthly housing per diem payments for extended-length temporary travel jobs and contract work come to mind as an example.

      Strat

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  3. It's not the money by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

    It's that they created something so horrific, and unleashed it on the internet.

  4. Re:Not even a drop in the bucket by game+kid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, have we seen the US's military contracts and cost overruns? Shit, I'm glad they only spent $60k on this!

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  5. A manufactured controversy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The IRS decided to produce videos in house instead of spending more money to hire outside contractors. Before they could start producing actual videos for use in training, public information, etc., they had to get up to speed with using their new video production facility. They had to make some dummy video during that checkout/internal training phase, so they chose to make parodies of Star Trek and Gilligan's Island. Big deal.

    1. Re:A manufactured controversy by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Additionally as regards this: "The video features an elaborate set depicting the control room, or bridge, of the spaceship featured in the hit TV show."

      Except it's pretty obviously green screen.

    2. Re:A manufactured controversy by Nimey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The low-information voters in the Republican base don't care about the truth, they want to reinforce their faith that the government is wasteful and can do no right.

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    3. Re:A manufactured controversy by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did I say that?

      The point is that said voters want to be told that OMG GUMMINT WASTED TONS OF MONEY ON BUILDING A STAR TREK BRIDGE FOR NO REASON, because it makes them feel better about their irrational hatred of the government, truth be damned.

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    4. Re:A manufactured controversy by Nimey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Could you keep going for a bit in that vein? I've almost got my Libertarian Talking-Points Bingo card filled out, you see.

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    5. Re:A manufactured controversy by Jiro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to TFA, 1) Congress complained about the video and 2) the IRS admitted it was a mistake to make the video. If they just needed to produce a dummy video, and the Star Trek theme involved spending no money over what they would have spent anyway, why would they then announce that "There is no mistaking that this video did not reflect the best stewardship of resources"?

      (Moreover, according to TFA, Congress did determine that the Gilligan's Island one was legitimate, so it's not as if they were doing a witchhunt and would refuse to accept any video with a TV show theme. If this video too was legitimate the IRS should have had no problems explaining it away. Obviously they couldn't.)

      Looks like the Republicans are right, after all.

    6. Re:A manufactured controversy by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Informative

      The point is it's obviously been misrepresented. $60K wasn't spent on making this film. There was no expensive set. Just a few cheap costumes from a costume store.

      An earlier posts suggests that actually the $60K was spent on creating a production facility. And making this movie was just a byproduct of the training. That sounds more likely.
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576059&cid=43258781

      Of course if you're one of those people for whom everything the government does is wrong, you'll choose to believe the worst regardless of the truth.

  6. Re:Who gives a shit? by Xenx · · Score: 2

    Just because there are bigger problems, doesn't mean you have to ignore the smaller problems.

  7. 720p : I love how they include the HD Option by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 2

    First, like many have stated, this video could be done for ~ around $1,000 USD for the same production quality and add an additional $200 USD could have been better.... but what caught my mind is how they uploaded it upscaled at quality that would look crappy even on a 2" screen.

    1. Re:720p : I love how they include the HD Option by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Haven't RTFA, but I'm willing to bet wages comprise the bulk of that $60K. How much do they spend in wages for people to read slashdot, facebook, etc? Who among us does not read the internet at work? How many of us have been to a lame corporate party where a bunch of low ranking executives dress up and make a video for your "entertainment"?

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    2. Re:720p : I love how they include the HD Option by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      $1,000? Let's say you pay minimum wage to the actors for a day of shooting.

      5 actors * 10 hours * $8 = $400
      Camera rental = $200 (Minimum)
      Light rental = $100 (Minimum)
      Greenscreen 20' = $100

      Whoops we've used up your $1,000 budget and we still don't have:
      An editor ($150 minimum)
      No sound (Add another $100)
      No poorly done 3D animation (Another $100)
      You didn't pay a camera operator to setup and point your camera (Another $150 minimum)

      Now you need to include the time for someone to "write" it. Probably would take a day. Another $150 minimum even if your employee was working for minimum wage.

      Are you going to shoot in a room at the IRS? You have to account for your Janitor then clearing the room of furniture. Let's say $50 for 2 hours work. Still cheaper by a factor of 10 or more than renting a stage.

      Oh yeah, the actors have to wear something. Add $60 per actor * 7 actors = $420
      ________
      $2,120.

      Also that $30k per video number is meaningless since it includes setting up a whole new in-house studio, stage space, purchasing lights, buying computers etc. If they produced 30 videos (1 per week) for the rest of the year, every video next year would be saving tax payers money.

  8. Re:Not even a drop in the bucket by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    A full bucket is full of drops.

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  9. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My girlfriend works at a library. A patron throw a hissy fit the other day because she thought they had used way to much salt on the sidewalk (this is snow country) and threatened to call the Mayor.

    It costs about $1500 per day to run that library branch. Yet people freak out because they might use $1 more salt than necessary once a month to keep the City from being sued by somebody slipping and falling. This is how people think.

  10. Well, by houbou · · Score: 2

    it's for training.. and training is big bucks. bottom line, does it teach anything? and would an effective alternative have been cheaper?

  11. The guy playing the captain... by macbeth66 · · Score: 4, Funny

    had a good screen presence. With a little training, he might be as good as William Shatner.

  12. Good PR by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look at the Star Trek cosplay, not the firearms we're stocking up on!

    The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

    (not that it's much compared to the DHS)

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  13. Other Uses for Your Tax Dollars by Nova+Express · · Score: 2, Informative

    They FAA is shutting down 149 control towers, supposedly as part of saving $637 million due to the sequester, at the same time Obama is asking for $500 million for the corrupt oligarchy running the Palestinian Authority.

    But they still seem to be able to fund the TSA's security theater. But you know who won't have to go through the grope lines? People from Saudi Arabia. You know, the country that produced produced 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers.

    And of course, there are the billions in green crony subsidies.

    Your tax dollars at work...

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    1. Re:Other Uses for Your Tax Dollars by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a Global Entry member. If you and your idiotic right wing mouth foamers bothered spending 2 seconds actually reading what Global Entry is--you would realize it doesn't let you bypass any security. The only thing you get as a Global Entry member is that you don't have to talk to customs and you can use a kiosk instead of talking to a customs agent.

  14. Re:Not even a drop in the bucket by ThisIsSaei · · Score: 2

    True. But when you have a pinhole leak and a gaping hole in the hull they're not equatable.

  15. IRS simply needs to increase the number of videos by retroworks · · Score: 3, Funny

    The cost of the video is so high because they haven't achieved a scale of production. We need them to produce entire series of Star Trek, then IRS Voyager, Next Generation Income Tax... then Star Wars, Mission Impossible, etc If enough auditors spend enough time producing enough of these videos, the cost per video will go down, which means the "rate of increase" of IRS spending on videos could go down.

    At least until the auditing period for the 1040 I'm working on today is expired. Then pull the plug.

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  16. Re:Who gives a shit? by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming you have an unlimited amount of time, yes.

    But in reality, making mountains out of molehills is a clever form of filibuster. It gives you a "tough" image even while you distract debate from the real mountains.

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  17. 60 K is so small it isn't even roundoff error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US govt budget in 2012 is, roughly, 3.5 trillion dollars
    That is 3.5 e12
    And congress upset about 6e4 ???

    simple math: assume there are 200 working days per year.
    IF congress investigated the ever popular waste fraud and abuse every single day, how much would they have to save each day, to equal 1% of the budget ?

    well, the answer is
    step one 3.5e12/100 = 3.5e10
    step two 3.5e10/200 = 1.75e8

    That is, if congress found *one hundred and seventy five million dollars of waste, EVRY SINGLE DAY, it would be 1% of the us budget.

    tell me again why we are even thinking about 60K ???????

  18. Re:It's the anti-Star Trek by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

    And it's still more faithful to Star Trek than that J.J. Abrams abomination.

  19. $350,000 for the Congressional Barbershop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't pay attention to that. Pay attention to the practice productions of their new in house training video program that will hopefully end up saving money instead of contracting it out.

  20. umm by BStorm · · Score: 2

    that was taxing to watch.\]

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  21. It's just a training video by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The IRS employees almost 100,000 people. That works out to about .65 cents per employee. Not very much for a training budget. Nice troll from the subby though.

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    1. Re:It's just a training video by kestasjk · · Score: 2
      • The company I work for with ~2000 employees paid $80,000 AUD for our Christmas party at a convention center.
      • We spent $xx,000 on a marketing firm to develop a screensaver which promoted our corporate values, but which flickered in a way that gave some people headaches, and had to be taken down.
      • Our department went Go-karting twice last year, and I was given 5 days of training for something I haven't used before or since.
      • Two years ago someone in our department was paid by another department ~$40,000 in billable hours to write some software which for whatever reason wasn't suitable.
      • There are spikes in the number of broken company iPhone 4s after iPhone 5s come out.
      • We spend tens of thousands on color ink because engineers don't like electronically marking up documents.
      • My sister works for a charity which spent $30,000 for a web-dev company to build a template-based website (which the web-dev company owns).

      Large businesses waste money, you're in no position to say it had no value, and the amount of money is trivial. If you consider this excessive don't get mad when you run into a front-line IRS worker who hates their job and behaves as such.

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  22. Re:Who gives a shit? by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, 60K really is a tiny amount of money for a government agency. Maybe the video was a bad idea. Maybe it was a morale booster. Maybe it distracted thousands of employees from their miserable pay checks. I don't care. The money wastage in the government is the multi-billion dollar unnecessary, or overdone projects (TSA, F35, etc), not a few tens of K spent here and there on entertainment for thousands of people.

      If your income is low, then you are right, the $2 coffees add up. If you are making payments on a $20M house, and traveling by biz-jet, then coffee is not the place to try to save money.

    Companies often spend money to entertain or motivate their employees. They do this because sometimes the morale boost is worth far more than what it costs.

  23. Re:Who gives a shit? by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all about the mindset. When you think of it as play money instead of money that people have sweated to earn and might otherwise be used for medical procedures, safer environments for children or otherwise improving quality of life, you get this kind of thing happening and it's symptomatic of a much bigger problem.

  24. Many corporations do. by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Informative

    Somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills:

    Q Why does the IRS even have a film studio?
    A ...to make training films and informational videos for taxpayers.

    If you'd even browsed you'd find out that they have one for training videos because they found out they could do them cheaper in house than farming them out. It's not too surprising if you have either (a) a large number of videos to produce or (b) in-house technical staff with surplus time. I suspect (a) is correct as the congress changes tax law - Every Fucking Year - and all of the agents need to be retrained. Sending in-person trainers is even more expensive.

    You'd be surprised at how many large companies have their own film and sound studios for in-house work. It doesn't take too big an operation to justify having one over paying a contractor to do it every time you need something updated.

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  25. Re:Who gives a shit? by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right - what has the government done for us.... (insert monty python quote here)
    education , sanitation, roads, police,

    Seriously, try to imagine what the US would be like without a government, or if people had to pay specifically for the services they wanted. You may not like the police but would you prefer Blackwater hiring out as private security? No public education for the poor? Private roads closed to non-members? No water systems? It would be a hell on earth - a scaled up Somalia.

    Sure, there is out of control government spending but its a lot better than no government at all.

  26. Spock's Fault by guttentag · · Score: 2

    This $215 video production cost $60,000 because the guy playing Spock forgot to itemize his deductive reasoning.

    The video is a public service reminder to itemize your deductions or get stuck paying the bill for stuff like this.

  27. Re:Who gives a shit? by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why is it that every time someone complains about the size of the federal government, people feel like listing a bunch of things that are done by state and local governments as an example of why government is great?

    Incidentally,

    You may not like the police but would you prefer Blackwater hiring out as private security?

    My neighborhood - and this is a normal, non-gated, houses $150-$200k neighborhood - has a private security force that patrols part time, because the police won't do their job. It is far from the only one like it.

    No public education for the poor?

    Setting aside the larger question of whether or not they actually educate those poor people, are publicly owned and operated schools staffed with government employees the only way we can think of to provide education to the general public? All my education tax money goes down the drain - my city's schools are unusably bad; I never spent a day in them, and neither will my children. My wife did work in the administration of the local school system before we married, and it firmly convinced her that the entire operation was a complete waste.

    Private roads closed to non-members?

    You mean like the NY, NJ, PA, OH, IN, and IL turnpike systems? The Dulles toll road? There are plenty of roads you have to pay to use, and yes, they were often privately owned and maintained in the early days of the country.

    No water systems?

    I guess you've never seen rural areas where water is in fact often supplied by a cooperative owned by the people who receive it? Even here in a city, where the incredibly disruptive nature of water and sewer services mean that they're always going to be provided by government (too hard to get permission to tear up all the streets otherwise), we pay for our water just like we pay for natural gas or electricity - fee for service.

    I'm not an anarchist, but acknowledging that we have to have some government is not carte blanche for said government to waste other people's money, and if you sometimes sound like the crazy old guy complaining over the cost of paperclips used by the city, that doesn't mean it's always a bad idea.

  28. Re:Who gives a shit? by Gimric · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The three largest expenses of the US Federal government are Social Security, Healthcare and the military. If defense was handled at the state level it would be difficult to prevent some states being free-riders, particularly land-locked states. Healthcare and social security could possibly be handled at the state level but the costs would still exist and would result in a great deal of duplication. Also, big business would love to be able to play individual states off against eachother for the best tax deal. It would be a very different country - in fact each state would operate much more like an individual country with all the potential for internal conflict that that entails.

    This doesn't excuse waste, but it is extremely naive to think that large corporations are intrinsically any less wasteful and bureaucratic than government departments once they achieve a certain size.

  29. Re:Who gives a shit? by stenvar · · Score: 2

    Right - what has the government done for us.... (insert monty python quote here)
    education , sanitation, roads, police,

    All of those are local and state matters and should be paid for by local and state taxes. The IRS collects federal income tax.

    Seriously, try to imagine what the US would be like without a government, or if people had to pay specifically for the services they wanted.

    I think the US would be a whole lot better off with a much smaller federal government, leaving more to state and local control and restricting the federal government to its enumerated powers, primarily interstate commerce and national defense.

    It would be a hell on earth - a scaled up Somalia.

    That meme is both false and tired.

  30. Re:2010: 84,475,933 income tax payers by isorox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For instance the 2009 Iraq war spending ($95.5B) was about $1.13 per tax paying household. On the other hand, the 2010 $521 billion cost of Medicare was funded by grabbing $6167.43 on average from each tax paying household.

    Score -1 Major math fail.

    95 billion is about 1/6th of 520 billion. Therefore Iraq costs 1/6th the Medicare budget based on your figures.

    Your figures say that there are about 90 billion households in the u.s. based on your iraq figures of 95 billion / $1.1

    I guess you have deliberately confused millions with billions to try to make a political point. Your figures should probably say iraq cost $1100 per household in one year.

  31. Re:Who gives a shit? by quantaman · · Score: 3

    It depends on the purpose of the video. Was it a fun and engaging way for the employees involved to familiarize themselves with the process of making videos (before making regular training videos), if so it was money well spent.

    Was it something to lighten up the mood and engage the participents at the start of the training conference? If so it was probably worth it.

    Was it just play money for the involved employees? If so it was probably wasted, but I don't think that was the objective.

    The fact they found a way to make part of their job enjoyable doesn't mean it was a waste.

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