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World's Most Powerful Private Supercomputer Will Hunt Oil and Gas

Nerval's Lobster writes "French oil conglomerate Total has inaugurated the world's ninth-most-powerful supercomputer, Panega. Its purpose: seek out new reservoirs of oil and gas. The supercomputer's total output is 2.3 petaflops, which should place it about ninth on today's TOP500 list, last updated in November. The announcement came as Dell and others prepare to inaugurate a new supercomputer, Stampede, in Texas on March 27. What's noteworthy about Pangea, however, is that it will be the most powerful supercomputer owned and used by private industry; the vast majority of such systems are in use by government agencies and academic institutions. Right now, the most powerful private supercomputer for commercial use is the Hermit supercomputer in Stuttgart; ranked 27th in the world, the 831.4 Tflop machine is a public-private partnership between the University of Stuttgart and hww GmbH. Panega, which will cost 60 million Euro ($77.8 million) over four years, will assist decision-making in the exploration of complex geological areas and to increase the efficiency of hydrocarbon production in compliance with the safety standards and with respect for the environment, Total said. Pangea will be will be stored at Total's research center in the southwestern French city of Pau."

135 comments

  1. 2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Try again editors, leave your geek card at the door.

    1. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for a top ten listing it better has to be 2.3 petaflops ...

      just a minor journalistic error, only 6 orders of magnitude off ;-)

    2. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by shoppa · · Score: 2

      Crap, I got it wrong too. Not 2.3 teraflops either. 2300 teraflops = 2.3 petaflops.

    3. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. Today's GPUs are already in the TFLOPS range. One more prefix and you're there. :-)

    4. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.3 teraflops? Is that like one GPU these days?

    5. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes my GPGPU has more than 2.3 Gigaflops

    6. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope! The article is right. They just bought a used Dell and named it Panega.

      Slow news day.

    7. Re:2.3 gigaflops? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

      It's almost fast enough to run the latest version of Windows with all the glittery bits turned on, but does it have enough RAM and disk space to load it?

      I'll bet it mostly gets used for solitaire, or doom.

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  2. giga? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    2.3 gigaflops is faster than 831 tflops?

  3. umm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Panega or Pangea?

    1. Re:umm? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I saw "Panega", my first thought was "For a geological supercomputer, that's a nice pun on Pangea, isn't it?" Well, then I noticed that it's not a pun, just a typo. ;-)

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    2. Re:umm? by MugenEJ8 · · Score: 1

      Which /still/ isn't corrected! C'mon ./ editors, and hold yourself up on the same soapbox your readers do!

    3. Re:umm? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, since the typo came with the original article, it's not like it isn't an accurate rendition of the original. Some [sic!] shaming would apply here.

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    4. Re:umm? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's more sad, that the editors didn't notice or didn't bother pointing out the typo, or that they quoted from and linked to an article whose entire quality can be summarized by the repeated presence of the typo.

      I sometimes wonder if Slashdot's just run by a bunch of unpaid interns now.

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    5. Re:umm? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      no, they went back and misspelled it a second time

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  4. 2.3 gigaflops? by shoppa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2.3 gigaflops is on most everyone's desktop today. Maybe you mean 2.3 teraflops?

  5. Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If they really want to destroy the planet the fastest through global warming, go build a shitload of limestone quarries, and then dump the limestone in rivers. I'm sure they could get us to Venus levels in a couple of decades.

    1. Re:Amateurs by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I couldn't care less about that nonsense. I'm waiting for the day they use this system to hunt humans. Dissenters, etc...

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    2. Re:Amateurs by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Dissenters

      - that's the government's job, they do it already.

    3. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The computer doesn't want humans; it feeds on electricity from oil. Once you teach it to eat dissenters, I'm sure we can convince it to start tracking them down.

    4. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep... but the MSM won't rat on the Obama administration. Think he's not privy (and for it)? Think again. You've given up more civil liberties with this president than any other, and you do it with a smile on your face in the name of "lesser of two evils". Boy were we conned.

      Best marketing campaign of all time. Enjoy your Facebook. :)

    5. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subversives, why don't anybody think of the subversives?!

    6. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't care less about that nonsense. I'm waiting for the day they use this system to hunt humans. Dissenters, etc...

      Seeing that Total is partially government owned, some of that computing power will go to hunt citizens they could impose the 75% income tax on...

    7. Re:Amateurs by six025 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't care less about that nonsense. I'm waiting for the day they use this system to hunt humans. Dissenters, etc...

      When this system cannot find any more oil or gas ...

    8. Re:Amateurs by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Go and revise some basic level - as in teenage schooling - chemistry. Dumping limestone (essentially calcium carbonate) into a river is, if it does anything, going to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide. But it's not actually going to do very much. If you dumped it into acidic river water (mine drainage, or peat bog drainage) then you'd get a little CO2 out, but not a large amount. Most river waters are, if anything, a touch alkaline.

      Not just an AC, but a dumb AC.

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  6. Article and Summary have wrong units by fgodfrey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has to be 2.3 *peta* FLOPS not giga FLOPS. For instance, in 2010, an Intel desktop processor could do 109 gigaFLOPS (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS).

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    1. Re:Article and Summary have wrong units by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      This has to be 2.3 *peta* FLOPS not giga FLOPS. For instance, in 2010, an Intel desktop processor could do 109 gigaFLOPS (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS).

      With any relevant workload? Hardly. You just won't get the memory bandwidth with your puny Intel CPU. But I guess it's good for writing flashy ray tracers...

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    2. Re:Article and Summary have wrong units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the typo in the first link

    3. Re:Article and Summary have wrong units by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      This has to be 2.3 *peta* FLOPS not giga FLOPS. For instance, in 2010, an Intel desktop processor could do 109 gigaFLOPS (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS).

      Ah, but then the computer will not get work done because it is too busy trying to convert us to veganism. :-)

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  7. Oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So.... why are we wasting the most powerful computer on non renewable sources of energy?
    Hunting for big oil just seems... wrong. Why cant we use this computer to find cures, track the stars, simulate atoms?

    1. Re:Oil by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Why cant we use this computer to find cures, track the stars, simulate atoms?

      Why, you'd like to try to split the computer?

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    2. Re:Oil by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Because oil is where the money is. And as it gets more scarce, it will be even moreso.

      Ever wonder why nobody seems to fight for ending hunger, or world peace, or finding alien life? Because I know you can't buy a yacht and a mansion on every continent by keeping people from starving to death.

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    3. Re:Oil by nedlohs · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because it is their money and that is how they want to use it.

      Feel free to build your own and use it for whatever you want as well.

    4. Re:Oil by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      How would a supercomputer help solar panels make more power?
      1. I didn't realize computers were smart enough to analyze cancer and find the magic cure. So that's what we've been doing wrong all these years!
      2. I can use my home desktop to track stars. There's no variables involved here, just constants. Remember, they were tracking stars before computers, linear algebra, and calculus were invented.
      3. And atom simulators can run on a sub $5,000 workstation.

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    5. Re:Oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, we can't permit that. Only politically correct uses of supercomputers must be allowed! We must get governments everywhere to regulate computation for the future of humanity.

    6. Re:Oil by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because there is plenty of food. The problem is political, not technical or economic.

    7. Re:Oil by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Because its not your computer.

      We are not yet at a place where "the public" can just waltz in and demand the use of a privately owned super-computer.

    8. Re:Oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.... why are we wasting the most powerful computer on non renewable sources of energy?
      Hunting for big oil just seems... wrong. Why cant we use this computer to find cures, track the stars, simulate atoms?

      Yeah, that seems weird, too. I wonder why they'd make it to...

      Hold on... oh, no. That's it! They DIDN'T make it to do that! It made ITSELF to do that! The computer knows it needs power to survive, so it reconfigured itself to FIND that power! Sure, non-renewable sources might not seem like a good idea now, but that's just a stopgap measure until it doesn't even need THAT!

      Soon, it won't be hunting down oil and gas. It'll switch to silicon and steel. Then all it'd need is manufacturing capabilities, and...

    9. Re:Oil by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Hunting for big oil just seems... wrong.

      Indeed. Drilling for it seems much more appropriate.

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    10. Re:Oil by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      ...you can't buy a yacht and a mansion on every continent by keeping people from starving to death.

      Huh? You mean nobody at Monsanto owns a yacht, or a mansion on every continent?

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    11. Re:Oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't realize computers were smart enough to analyze cancer and find the magic cure. So that's what we've been doing wrong all these years!

      One application I think supercomputers would be ideal for is simulating the inner molecular workings of cells, and interactions between cells. That could be a huge boon to cancer research.

    12. Re:Oil by manicb · · Score: 2

      Hi. I use supercomputers to model materials for next-generation solar cells. If you're working on semiconductors, you need to probe the electronic structure of crystals with junctions and defects; basic atomistic calculations aren't going to be enough (although they have their own uses and are definitely part of the picture). These calculations help us to work out why some promising materials don't perform well in experiments, and figure out which reactions will be suitable for cheap large-scale production and processing. Even simple atomistic models require a lot of power if your system is large enough and/or you want to look at complex processes like melting.

    13. Re:Oil by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      Question asked.... and answered well. A rarity on here these days.

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    14. Re:Oil by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      So.... why are we wasting the most powerful computer on non renewable sources of energy?

      Firstly "we" are not doing anything with this computer. A bunch of businessmen have decided to try to make more money for their shareholders by investing the investor's money in this exploration tool. I believe that this company has been working in hydrocarbon exploration and production for quite a while - certainly longer than I've been alive and probably longer than you've been alive, so there's probably a pretty good chance that they've got a good idea about how to go about it. (Actually, I've worked in exploration for Total ; they do know WTF they're doing, at least as well as any other random oil company.)

      Hunting for big oil just seems... wrong.

      Tell you what : if you stop using it - completely - then just possibly they will stop trying to make money by selling it to you, and instead will move on to doing something more interesting with their money.

      (Incidentally, this computing power is likely to be more useful on lots of little exploration projects than on big projects. Big discoveries tend to not need really detailed planning to make a profit on - but small ones do need that sort of nit-picking attention to details to ensure they're developed in a profitable manner.

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    15. Re:Oil by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You mean nobody at Monsanto owns a yacht, or a mansion on every continent?

      Probably only MBAs and other such parasites. The actual people who provide the intellectual capital to the company are unlikely to be startlingly well paid.

      And I doubt that many MBAs have mansions on the Antarctic continent.

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    16. Re:Oil by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Long before (typically a decade or several before) you get to putting a drill bit into the ground, you need to find the oil. For which you need seismic data, some serious number crunching to analyse that data, and a lot of brain sweat.

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    17. Re:Oil by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      But no rifle, bow or other hunting weapon, no dogs, nor anything else usually needed for hunting.

      Or in short: Whoosh.

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    18. Re:Oil by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      woosh indeed.

      for a joke to be effective, it needs to be recognisable as a joke. Your (near) namesake Marijke sometimes tripped up over this too. Gone, but not forgotten (partly because she died in possession of several of my books).

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  8. Public access? by GeneralTurgidson · · Score: 0

    Will the public have access to the results (thinking property values) or will it only be available to a select few?

    1. Re:Public access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would that serve their interests, exactly?

    2. Re:Public access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't fathom any reason on pangea for Total to give access to the result of their obviously very strategic asset.

    3. Re:Public access? by Garin · · Score: 1

      No, the public won't see these results as a rule, at least not right away (while it's still commercially valuable to protect as a secret), though strictly speaking it depends on the countries involved. Nor would it matter for property value, as the "land owners" usually don't own the mineral rights in most places. Furthermore, this setup will be used probably mostly for marine/offshore seismic imaging, ie not much land involved.

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  9. Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait a second...

    Shouldn't that be 2.3 petaflops?

  10. Most powerful commercial supercomputer by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

    Right now, the most powerful private supercomputer for commercial use is the Hermit

    Except for that 600 petaFLOP private supercomputer for commercial use which also happens to be the most powerful computer ever constructed by mankind for any purpose.

    1. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      How about useful commercial work?

      How about just less single purpose?

      It is not like you can take a bitcoin rig and do anything worthwhile with it.

    2. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      It is not like you can take a bitcoin rig and do anything worthwhile with it.

      I'm sure that every supercomputer can be broken down until you get a subassembly that is not capable of anything worthwhile by itself.

      Bitcoin, as the largest distributed supercomputing project ever, is doing an increasing amount of useful commercial work every day.

    3. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      I don't see the useful part of that. It is still just more fake money printing and scamming.

      Sure, but a whole bitcoin rig does nothing useful, is my understanding. Is there an actual use for those ASICs?

    4. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      If you are going to include distributed systems, then google's million or so servers probably takes the prize for most powerful. We don''t know for sure, since they don't publish details about their data centers.

    5. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 2

      It is not like you can take a bitcoin rig and do anything worthwhile with it.

      I'm typing this slashdot comment right now with it. My graphics card is mining in the background, in parallel with providing the display for both monitors. The displays only slow it down about 2%, and playing video on the larger monitor eats about 1/6 of the mining speed. If I was playing a heavy duty video game I would have to shut down the mining program, but most other PC tasks can work just fine in parallel.

    6. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin, as the largest distributed supercomputing project ever,

      Citation needed.

      Not just a citation, but some evidence too.

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    7. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      Citation needed.

      Not just a citation, but some evidence too.

      A year ago I would have provided links for you, but now I'll just suggest the burden of proof rightfully belongs to anyone claiming that a project larger than Bitcoin exists.

    8. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Five, maybe ten, years ago, the same claim was made concerning SETI@home. That was a project which had a lot of nerd support, and was intellectually respectable, so people like admins for university networks could (and did) put the client onto blocks of thousands of machines which would otherwise be idle during lectures. And if the $LIBRARY$ (or whereever else) got to turn down the heating for X $$$$/day while turnng up the mains utilty usage for a simialr amount ... well that's "swings and rounabouts" in terms of the final bill. But because of the intellectual respectability of SETI@home, and to a different degree it's successors like Climate@home, that was an administrative choice which could be reasonably defended in a budget meeting.

      Bitcoin mining doesn't have that cachet. So I suspect that it would be a much harder "sell" (or "defense", when found out) than $SCIENCEPROJECT$@Uni.

      IF (and it is an "if") Bitcoin mining can turn a profit, then the beancounters of such institutions may well go for it. And as a clear-headed financial decision, I'd anticipate hearing about it on Slashdot.

      I haven't heard of such deployments. So I suspect that they don't exist, or are very clandestine if they do exist. Now, if you've heard of such things, that's fine ; educate me by providing links to such evidence.

      I'll grant you an "out" though : it's entirely conceivable that the increased power of recent machines compared to five to ten years ago may mean that the Bitcion network represents more teraflops (particularly GPU teraflops) than SETI@home etc provided. Which is one metric of size" ; but in terms of mindshare and "buy in" in terms of systems voluntarily and deliberately involved ... I am not convinced. "Size" isn't a well defined term on it's own.

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    9. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      You are seriously out of the loop in this area.

      The processing power devoted to Bitcoin mining is approaching two orders of magnitude more than Titan.

      The institutions you are talking about have already been left in the dust before they even realized something was happening. Even if any of them decided to compete in this area Bitcoin would pull ahead another order of magnitude before they could even finish the contracting process.

    10. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The processing power devoted to Bitcoin mining is approaching two orders of magnitude more than Titan [wikipedia.org].

      Why did you drag this "Titan" thing pop out of the woodwork? It's a lump of ironmongery designed by a committee and funded by a bunch of small-dicked gun nuts. Nothing interesting there.

      Anyway, no comment on some verifiable figures for the size of the Bitcoin network, so it's safe to assume that you don't know the answer. Probably something hugely overblown if it's got such little verifiable about it. Or something that's not ever going to be legal because it's obviously being done clandestinely by people with something to hide. It'll be gone within a couple of years.

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    11. Re:Most powerful commercial supercomputer by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      Probably something hugely overblown if it's got such little verifiable about it.

      Quoted for posterity. Thanks for the comedy.

  11. 2.3 Gigaflops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its almost as fast as my mobile phone!

  12. This is how it starts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bet cold-pressed humans are a wonderful source of hydrocarbons.

    1. Re:This is how it starts by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      You lose.

      They're very wet. You'd do better with olives. Or sunflower seeds. Or even (shock, horror!) oilseed rape.

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  13. Pangea vs. Stampede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quite an impressive system in general terms, 2.3PF without accelerators says a lot about the size of this machine (48 racks):

    "Pangea is manufactured by SGI, built on the ICE-X platform. In a video, Total said that each blade contains four Xeon processors (most likely the E5-2600, which SGI uses), each with 32 cores and 128 Gbytes of RAM. Each M-Rack contains 72 blades, for a total of 288 processors, 2304 cores, and 9 TB of RAM. An M-Cell contains four M-Racks and 2 C-Racks for 288 blades, 1,152 processors, 9,216 cores, and 32 TB of RAM. In all, 12 M-Cells are used, with 110,592 cores, 442 TB of RAM, and 120 km of fiber-optic cable connecting it all up. Pangea also includes 12 bays, with 600 1-TB drives each, and 4 petabytes of magnetic tape for archiving data."

    A system of this size with accelerators would exceed easily 10PF, although I am not sure whether the particular workload to be ran on this beast would be suitable for any kind of accelerators (anybody has an idea on that?). Now I have a question: what is TACC going to do with so many Xeon Phi accelerators not delivering the promised performance? Will intel provide them with the second generation of MICs for free or will that upgrade cost another big chunk of taxpayers money?

    X.

    1. Re:Pangea vs. Stampede by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      A system of this size with accelerators would exceed easily 10PF, although I am not sure whether the particular workload to be ran on this beast would be suitable for any kind of accelerators (anybody has an idea on that?).

      Most of the work will be processing seismic data, which is highly parallelisable. Start with a microphone and an air gun ; fart the air gun into water and record the echoes with the microphone. Then invert the recording to get a first guess at how far down the contrasts of acoustic impedance are - which reflect the acoustic energy. A relatively simple task.

      But ... you need to record the sound source from the air gun - because the shape of the input waveform (unsurprisingly) affects what you get as a recording at surface. So, you've two tasks to do.

      Now, you have a third microphone, positioned somewhere other than the first microphone. Three processing tasks. And if you're at sea, you also need to track the actual positions of the air gun and each geophone. So that's more data streams to process, but still highly parallelisable.

      A typical marine seismic spread will have 8 or 16 streamers of geophones (microphones, waterproofed) with several hundred geophones per streamer ; you'll steam to and fro across your target area taking a "shot point" every 10m or so, and you'll shoot several thousand kilometres of lines per survey. It adds up to a lot of data.

      Your first guess at the positions of the acoustic impedance changes will give you a first model of the geology (you've yet to assign acoustic impedance changes to geological events), but those will imply that acoustic energy is reflected back into the overlying beds, effectively becoming small sound sources themselves, so you've got to re-calculate what those sound sources do for your re-constructed sound waves in your data volume ; so you've got to re-process the whole volume to see if the sounds recorded actually match up to the ones calculated, and if not, you have to adjust your model. And then the geologists get involved, pointing out faults, or equating two volumes of rock as having the same origin, and so implying the question "Do they have the same properties, and if not, why not?"

      That's going to take you back to re-processing the data time and again to see if the revised model is appropriate. That gets very iterative, if not particularly interactive.

      Now I have a question: what is TACC going to do with so many Xeon Phi accelerators not delivering the promised performance? Will intel provide them with the second generation of MICs for free or will that upgrade cost another big chunk of taxpayers money?

      Acronym soup. Unintelligible. There is probably a worthwhile question in there, but it's lost in the sludge.

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  14. Waste of computer power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oil and gas?! How about Solar? Wind? GeoThermal? LFTR/Thorium? Why are we blowing computer power on dying industries!?

    What is this?! The Freakin' Flintstones?!

    1. Re:Waste of computer power by shadowrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oil and gas?! How about Solar? Wind? GeoThermal? LFTR/Thorium? Why are we blowing computer power on dying industries!?

      Well, it seems like a waste of computing power to use it to find those things. I mean, we already know where the sun is. We already know where it's windy.

    2. Re:Waste of computer power by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Well, it seems like a waste of computing power to use it to find those things. I mean, we already know where the sun is. We already know where it's windy.

      Actually, we could know this much better, but it's remarkably hard to figure out without dropping a kajillion weather stations.

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    3. Re:Waste of computer power by khallow · · Score: 1

      Actually, we could know this much better, but it's remarkably hard to figure out without dropping a kajillion weather stations.

      At a few thousand dollars per automated weather station (including low data satellite link and solar power system), it doesn't take long to blanket the US especially given how the US government spends money.

    4. Re:Waste of computer power by tyrione · · Score: 1

      Oil and gas?! How about Solar? Wind? GeoThermal? LFTR/Thorium? Why are we blowing computer power on dying industries!?

      Well, it seems like a waste of computing power to use it to find those things. I mean, we already know where the sun is. We already know where it's windy.

      Use that power to simulate solar energy collection systems for optimal designs, to modeling material science simulations to develop more efficient capture systems, to producing potential scenarios for climate change expansion and where to best target a means to reversing it, etc.

    5. Re:Waste of computer power by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Oil and gas?! How about Solar? Wind? GeoThermal? LFTR/Thorium? Why are we blowing computer power on dying industries!?

      Well, it seems like a waste of computing power to use it to find those things. I mean, we already know where the sun is. We already know where it's windy.

      Waste of computing power? Most likely.

      Waste of money to those invested in it to help feed a greedy and corrupt oil industry? Not hardly.

      Just follow the money. Oddly enough, it always seems to lead to the true answers.

    6. Re:Waste of computer power by olau · · Score: 1

      Actually, you laugh, but Vestas, the largest wind turbine manufacturer in the world, bought a supercomputer two years ago.

      They use it to run simulations of wind conditions back in time. In some sense terrain-aware interpolations of existing measurements.

      The thing is that when you're trying to figure out the economics of putting up a wind turbine, it doesn't really help you terribly much that you know the wind conditions 20 miles away in the nearest town. They've built a tool on top querying the simulated data so they can instantly tell their customers what the ROI would be for a specific location. Beats raising a long pole and waiting a year or two for the results.

    7. Re:Waste of computer power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is better and more accurate to instead use satellite images combined with ground data to get both current and future solar irradiance. A product called SolarAnywhere already does this. Plus, ground stations are not the most reliable for a wide range of reasons.

  15. So how does it work? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    How can sole number crunching power find the actual oil/gas reservoirs?

    1. Re:So how does it work? by Garin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seismic imaging. Imagine solving a wave equation (acoustic, elastic, or worse) over a 3D grid many kilometers on a side with grid spacing on the order of meters. Imagine you're doing it with a strong high-order finite-difference code. Calculate for tens of thousands of timesteps. Now repeat that entire thing thousands of times for a given full survey.

      No matter how much computer you have, it's never nearly enough for seismic imaging.

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    2. Re:So how does it work? by toastar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Processing Seismic Data takes a ton of power, There are techniques that are well known that we still can't use due to the lack of computer power. The last big advance was RTM(Reverse Time Migration). This was first done on 2D Data in the 80's, But didn't become reasonable to do on 3D's until about 2008-'09. This improvement in imaging is one of the drivers is subsalt exploration. The next big step is FWI (Full Waveform Inversion) We still don't have enough power to run this mainstream yet, The main idea is the stuff we mute out as noise is actually just data that we can migrate back to the original location. The other Item more power helps us with Is running Migrations at higher frequencies. right now we record at 250Hz(125 nyquest) but only process at 60Hz, This is mainly due to the price of computer time. doubling to 120Hz requires 4 times more computer time. But allows us to double our image resolution from to 50 meters to 25 meters. Considering some of our target reservoirs are as narrow as 20 feet, This type of thing is important.

    3. Re:So how does it work? by rwise2112 · · Score: 2

      Seismic imaging. Imagine solving a wave equation (acoustic, elastic, or worse) over a 3D grid many kilometers on a side with grid spacing on the order of meters. Imagine you're doing it with a strong high-order finite-difference code. Calculate for tens of thousands of timesteps. Now repeat that entire thing thousands of times for a given full survey.

      No matter how much computer you have, it's never nearly enough for seismic imaging.

      Exactly right! Geophysics (and particular oil & gas) was one of the primary driving forces around supercomputer design, and computing in general. As an aside: Many of you are probably not aware, but TI started out a geophysical instrument manufacturer.

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    4. Re:So how does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computation doesn't find it by itself. You have to put it together with a lot of other geological information, and you have to go out of the computer room and collect that data. But there are two big areas where it can help when you get back from collecting data in the field:

      1) Seismic processing. Modern 3D seismic datasets are huge, and optimizing the processing of the data after collection still takes a lot of brute-force computation on multi-gigabyte datasets. I know that might not seem like such a big deal ("only" gigabytes?), but when your parameter space is in 3 spatial dimensions with many, many attributes at each position to try to optimize, and loads and loads of steps in the processing pipeline, the total calculations adds up pretty fast. And if you add 4D surveys (i.e. multiple 3D surveys taken over a period of time as production progresses), the task gets even bigger. Ever since the days of big, refrigerator-sized mainframe computers in the 1950s and 1960s, seismic processing has been one of the biggest industrial demands for computing power. Back then the big customers were banks, the military, and seismic processing for oil and gas companies. While computing has gotten a lot easier and broadened its applications, the demands are still there in the petroleum industry as ever (although technically most seismic processing is now done at dedicated seismic collection companies rather than in petroleum companies -- i.e. it's mostly contracted out).

      2) reservoir modeling. Once you've found the oil, producing it optimally becomes a complex multi-phase porous media fluid flow problem involving wells, geological models, different types of fluids, time, infrastructure, and accounting. It's a big geological/engineering/financial optimization process that requires a great deal of computation. At that stage it isn't so much about finding it, as getting it out efficiently. If you can increase production rates or total recovery by even 1%, it can mean a LOT of money (millions/billions).

      If you want to understand how oil and gas are found, start with the petroleum system, which is a geological model of how it forms and eventually gets trapped in underground porous rock reservoirs. Then the challenge becomes finding those traps, which are usually expressed in some kind of structural feature that can be spotted in geological data. While seismic is probably the most effective way to find productive trap structures, it isn't the only way. Even with decent data success rates for wells in frontier areas are typically 1 in 5 or 1 in 10. Much exploration occurs in areas already known to be productive, in which case the rates are much better, but of course if you only look for oil where you have previously found it, eventually you're going to run out of options. At that point you're going to have to explore more widely or redesign your production strategy for the fields you've got. In both those cases, having access to big computation resources is going to help.

    5. Re:So how does it work? by sdguero · · Score: 2

      Much better explanation than I had! :)

      I used to work for an HPC vendor, about 1/3 of our sales were to oil/gas. From what I understood it was pretty easy for our customers to parrallelize their workload to run across thousand of off the shelf servers with gigabit ethernet vs having to buy a much more expensive setup with high speed interconnects.

    6. Re:So how does it work? by Rising+Ape · · Score: 2

      The other Item more power helps us with Is running Migrations at higher frequencies. right now we record at 250Hz(125 nyquest) but only process at 60Hz, This is mainly due to the price of computer time. doubling to 120Hz requires 4 times more computer time.

      Worse than that, doubling the frequency requires 16 times the computer time, as you need to halve your spatial sampling interval to prevent aliasing. Assuming we're talking about wave equation based techniques such as RTM.

      This is one of those areas which is still very much "no matter how powerful the computer, we'll use it all".

    7. Re:So how does it work? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> Imagine solving a wave equation (acoustic, elastic, or worse) over a 3D grid many kilometers on a side with grid spacing on the order of meters. Imagine you're doing it with a strong high-order finite-difference code. Calculate for tens of thousands of timesteps. Now repeat that entire thing thousands of times for a given full survey.

      I put on my robe and wizard hat.

    8. Re:So how does it work? by Shinobi · · Score: 2

      Then you understood it wrong. Seismic imaging is one of those tasks that benefit from SSI etc, and in the absence of that, high-speed&low-latency interconnects such as Infiniband.

      The higher resolution of the grid, the more data you need to pass back and forth, at high speed, with as little latency as possible. Each cell needs to exchange data with neighbours, and the datasets are very large.

      Back when I started out with HPC, this was one of the tasks where a 128 CPU Origin 3000 SSI with 128GiB shared RAM, beat a 400 Xeon Linux cluster using SCI interconnect, despite the Xeon on paper being faster. With gig-E it would have been even worse for the cluster.

    9. Re:So how does it work? by Garin · · Score: 1

      Nah, he's not wrong. But neither are you.

      Seismic processing is about as embarrassingly parallel as it comes. Just about every processing step can be split up into e.g. single shot record steps, taking advantage of assumed linearity in wave equations. Furthermore, most production industrial imaging codes weren't actually using my original example of a full finite difference solution until quite recently, and instead they were using algorithms that have been developed for decades under the limitations of very old computers. Sure, some of the big shops have full blown "proper" HPC, shared-ram setups, etc. However, it's common to see much more simplistic parallelization with very ad-hoc clusters being used.

      In short, there are loads of processing shops that run off-the-shelf servers on gigabit ethernet, and they do a good business with it. Heck, there are loads of processing shops out there that do a good business running relatively crude time migrations.

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    10. Re:So how does it work? by Shinobi · · Score: 1

      Well, the point he was trying to make was that the pile of OTS+gig-E outperformed the "traditional" approach, and mine was that, no, it didn't. It worked well enough for many, but at the leading edge, pushing SOTA, the traditional shared-memory setups worked far better. And nowadays, if you try to push the SOTA, you need Infiniband or similar, because gig-E and even 10gig-E will choke.

      And yes, it can easily be divided into cells, but you still have to pass that data around, and that's where the interconnects etc kick in.

      It's the same deal with weather forecasting. Sure, you can easily divide it into discrete cells that can easily run in parallell, parceled out to various nodes... Then you find that you have to pass data between cells, which is why many uni's building "Beowulfs" for cheap weather research eventually spent a lot of money on proper interconnects etc.

      (Hell, RDMA alone will be worth it...)

    11. Re:So how does it work? by SillyHamster · · Score: 1

      Interesting!

      So with exponentially growing computing power, how does that affect the rate we find new resources?

    12. Re:So how does it work? by shadowofwind · · Score: 1

      Maybe another possible area of confusion is that oil and gas companies use big computers for things other than seismic imaging. For instance, linear programming for refinery planning.

    13. Re:So how does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often are FPGAs(or FPGA based HPC systems) used in this capacity?

    14. Re:So how does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      opendtect.org (it's GPL) uses the GPU, but it may just be for rendering and not processing.

    15. Re:So how does it work? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Many of you are probably not aware, but TI started out a geophysical instrument manufacturer.

      Gravity meters, wasn't it?

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    16. Re:So how does it work? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Considering some of our target reservoirs are as narrow as 20 feet,

      Wow, you've got some thick reservoirs! I was reminiscing a couple of days ago about a geosteering job I did trying to run an 8.5in drill bit along a 6in storm sand deposit. But that was a bit extreme.

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  16. Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it a Gibson?
    Does it have a backdoor using the password 'god' ?

  17. It's my atmosphere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they want to put their shit in it? No.

    Your right to toxify your environment ends where my environment begins.

  18. oh dear by ssam · · Score: 1

    we already know about far more oil reserves then we can wisely burn. finding more is only going to make things worse.

    1. Re:oh dear by RougeFemme · · Score: 1

      I don't think it makes things worse. It just doesn't do anything - at least in the short-tem - to solve the problem.

    2. Re:oh dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Petroleum is used for many other things than being burned. Even if we switched to 100% renewable energy tomorrow, there would still be a demand for this sort of work.

    3. Re:oh dear by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      As the nuclear arms race back in the Cold War proved, making the Earth uninhabitable only once is hardly sufficient: You have to make the Earth uninhabitable 25 times over just to be sure.

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    4. Re:oh dear by manicb · · Score: 1

      Uh, yes, it absolutely makes things worse. See Limits To Growth and read up on the concept of overshoot. By doing permanent (or quasi-permanent) environmental damage now we jeopardise the possibility of every reaching a stable condition with a decent quality of life, and extending this aggrevates the problem hugely.

    5. Re:oh dear by RougeFemme · · Score: 1

      Uh, I should have been more specific. . .SEARCHING for oil and gas doesn't make things worse, and the article is talking primarily about the SEARCH. Of COURSE, actually extracting the oil/gas would make a significant environmental difference. But depending on where the oil is found, regulatory pressures may keep them from ever actually extracting it. There are already known oil and gas reserves that are a long ways from being extracted due to regulatory restrictions.

  19. Owner's Abuse of Power by tech.kyle · · Score: 1

    Every once in a while, I hear of an owner taking their company's new toy and having a little fun with it. I wish I owned this company just so I could run WCG or Folding@Home on it for a week.

    Maybe I could sneak in and add a WCG daemon. I wouldn't be stealing resources, just.. liberating.. idle.. ones.

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  20. awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so we aren't curing cancer, aids, or mapping out the allocation of resources for all of humanity to share..

    but OIL.. that's the meaning of life brah

    1. Re:awesome! by khallow · · Score: 1

      or mapping out the allocation of resources for all of humanity to share..

      This. They aren't looking for OIL, a resource, because they're bored.

  21. Other applications by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I noticed they will not be using it to find ways to conserve energy.

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    1. Re:Other applications by RougeFemme · · Score: 1

      Those searching for oil are rarely in the same camp as those looking to conserve it.

    2. Re:Other applications by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      You don't need to find ways to conserve energy. Energy conservation is built right into the rules of the universe.

      Of course conserving oil would be a good idea.

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    3. Re:Other applications by khallow · · Score: 1

      Of course conserving oil would be a good idea.

      Using oil productively is a good idea too. Maybe even a much better one than "conserving" oil is. Depends on what you mean by "conserving oil".

  22. Imagine a Beowolf...oh...nevermind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The obligatory Beowolf cluster line from soo many years ago on /.

  23. all the petaflops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big freaking deal if the code is buggy, and hard to use.

  24. Re:Wheres the beets? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Nope, this computer's going to find more sources of fossil carbon, yaaaay. :-(

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  25. Pangea or Panega? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the summary's defense, the article calls it by both names multiple times. I question an article that has the subject spelled more than one way. I can absolutely accept speech, comments and the like having some errors. They are at least real-time. But I assume the writer worked on this piece for more than the time it took to type it.

  26. 0.536% of 2011 profits... by csubi · · Score: 1

    reinvested to build a supercomputer placing 9th...
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/frances-total-gets-oil-price-profit-boost

    Very smart way to spend that money even though I'm not a big fan of hydrocarbons. I'm really curious how hard was it to justify for Board Members?

    1. Re:0.536% of 2011 profits... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Very smart way to spend that money even though I'm not a big fan of hydrocarbons.

      Actually I'm a big fan of hydrocarbons. It's a shame that we burn them.

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    2. Re:0.536% of 2011 profits... by csubi · · Score: 1

      Fully agree - sad how hydrocarbon became associated in my mind with zombies sitting in endless traffic jams in the WashDC area...

  27. there are more of these beasts hiding in the wild by mrbongo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are actually quite a few of these big machines. Most of them in Houston, but some in Europe. Every major Oil Company and Every large Seismic company has one. They are all huge, and I have never seen on of them shut down to run benchmarks, and most folks don't externally advertise their existence. The cost too much and they have too much backlog and will never appear on a bullshit benchmark web page reserved for underutilized supercomputers. To the person asking if these are overkill? No, The folks referencing the RTM, FWI etc have hit the equations on the head. One processing job may take 6 + months to run a single migration using 20,000 + cpus. They run all kinds of cpus' gpu's and change out masses of them every time there is a step change in a chip for efficiency. If they had chips 100 times more powerful, they have equations waiting for them. with regards to the person or people talking about carbon ending it all etc.. These machines enable the reservoir engineers to target more reservoirs and then deplete these reservoirs more efficiently leaving less hydrocarbon behind (theoretically reducing the number of dry wells) We will never run out of oil, we will however run out of the technology to efficiently extract it from the ground. ( or it will become cost prohibitive) Carbon use however is another kettle of fish. Making hydrocarbon more expensive will only push coal back front. (look at china, germany etc) Until use is addressed, alternative will be what they could be. Doing things like shooting ourselves in the foot with ethanol is a good way not to proceed though

  28. Drill, baby, drill? by mspohr · · Score: 1

    I know that the fossil fuel industry is narrowly focused on finding more hydrocarbons to burn since they can count these as assets and run up their stock price, but there is growing consensus among climate scientists (not deniers) that we can only burn about one third of the hydrocarbons that we have already discovered if we are to avoid climate catastrophe.
    It would be nice if raw greed didn't run the world. However, reality will intrude sooner or later and all of these new discoveries will become worthless.

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    1. Re:Drill, baby, drill? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if raw greed didn't run the world. However, reality will intrude sooner or later and all of these new discoveries will become worthless.

      The problem is: How many people die before reality intrudes?

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    2. Re:Drill, baby, drill? by khallow · · Score: 1

      but there is growing consensus among climate scientists (not deniers)

      In other words, there is "growing consensus" among the group that already agrees that climate change is going to be really bad, that it is going to be really bad. In the real world, we would call this, observation bias.

      However, reality will intrude sooner or later and all of these new discoveries will become worthless.

      What's the mechanism? All I've heard is somewhat higher sea level, a little acidification of the oceans, slight changes in rainfall patterns, and modest rise in global mean temperature, all over long periods of time as humans see it.

      Meanwhile real problems like population growth, political dysfunction, desertification, and disease are still going to harm far more people than global warming would do. Continued oil production helps most of these problems.

      So I don't see the point of yet another complaint that oil companies continue to do what they do. They're helping raise us from poverty to a better life. You should at least have a better option, if you're going to complain.

      It's also worth noting that oil fields tend to have a relatively short life span these days. So what they find with that computer is likely to be used, I think.

    3. Re:Drill, baby, drill? by manicb · · Score: 1

      Depends what continent they die on...

  29. The Real Question.. by canadiannomad · · Score: 1

    What is the Government doing with such powerful supercomputers?....

    I'm sure it isn't Pong.

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  30. Don't talk shit about total by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tourettes guy lives on!

  31. misread 2nd sentence and got excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Panega. Its purpose: to seek out new life and new civilizations...

  32. TOP500 is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's sad is the ego of people that think making the TOP500 counts for something, or that those participating in that little site's stats are the whole world of large-scale computing, or that other entries that could make that list even bother calling themselves "Supercomputers" rather than just "hey we have a shit-ton of generic linux nodes running MPI stuff". I worked at a relatively small private company in the same industry as Total (doing seismic exploration for oil/gas) 10 years ago and they had a Linux cluster that would've made the "Top 10" on that list at the time and never bothered to call it that or care. I don't think we were that unique at the time. Lots of companies in this field build very cheap gargantuan clusters from off-the-shelf no-name Linux server/blade vendors and scale them out to the extreme. A 20K+ node datacenter (where a node is 4-8 cores) wired up with fiber and running MPI cluster stuff is just everyday stuff in that industry.

  33. Total is just showing off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Generally people don't build such large homogeneous systems. More like a few thousand nodes now and more in a few months. Benchmarking a warehouse w/ 20,000 nodes doesn't mean much if they're of several vintages which is usually the case. There's a lot of jockeying for how many racks you can get for a job. So I'm a little skeptical of 6+ months w/ 20,000+ cores for a single run. The push back from other customers would get pretty fierce.

    As for why. I rode home on the bus w/ a guy who was subsea systems manager for a major field in 8000 ft of water in GoM. Subsea tieback, so no platform. All he was doing was specifying and purchasing the bits and pieces that will sit on the sea floor. He had a $2 billion US budget. How many machinists and welders do you have to employ to spend that much? So spending $10 million for a system dedicated to a single project at startup is not unreasonable.

    As BP learned the hard way, making a mistake is even more expensive.

    FWIW Actual throughput achievable depends a lot on the particular algorithm and who coded it. But many algorithms are trivially parallel, so the killer is usually cache bandwidth and organization.

  34. Scroll the Gibson, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, those computers they use to look for oil and stuff?

    If Pangea is not a series of transparent cubes with lightning flashing between them, I shall be disappointed.

  35. World's Largest Minecraft Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  36. Awesome! by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    The cleaner and faster we can find such minerals, the better....

    Ferret

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  37. Braindead editor! by mattr · · Score: 0

    The post just lifts the first four paragraphs of TFA and randomly adds in misspellings of its subject.
    Personally I feel uncomfortable with the lack of even a slight attempt to summarize, unless you count deleting carriage returns.

  38. It is hard to find a black cat in a dark room by Kamamura · · Score: 1

    ... especially if it's not there.