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Solar Impulse Airplane To Launch First Sun-Powered Flight Across America

First time accepted submitter markboyer writes "The Solar Impulse just landed at Moffett Field in Mountain View, California to announce a journey that will take it from San Francisco to New York without using a single drop of fuel. The 'Across America' tour will kick off this May when founders Bertrand Piccard and André Borschberg take off from San Francisco. From there the plane will visit four cities across the states before landing in New York."

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  1. Wonderful, but see it for what it is by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At 43mph, they're entirely at the mercy of local weather conditions. And "without using a single drop of fuel"? Tish. Factor in the fuel used by the support crew as they fuss around it. Don't like that? Then let's see them do it without support.

    Even with fantasy efficiency, there's no mass-to-surface-area that could make this a commercially viable form of transport, ever. It's a beautiful folly, and an impressive exercise in materials science, and should be enjoyed on that basis. The PV aspect is essentially a gimmick though.

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    1. Re:Wonderful, but see it for what it is by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, it seems like space would be the limit unless they give it a solar powered ion thruster. The ground is another limit, in the other direction... and unlike space, the ground is a much more... solid limit.

    2. Re:Wonderful, but see it for what it is by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even with fantasy efficiency, there's no mass-to-surface-area that could make this a commercially viable form of transport, ever. It's a beautiful folly, and an impressive exercise in materials science, and should be enjoyed on that basis. The PV aspect is essentially a gimmick though.

      I agree that we have reached the limits of technology. There will be no future innovation. The endpoint of humanities social and cultural evolution was yesterday.

      And it's fossil fuels from here on in.

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    3. Re:Wonderful, but see it for what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At 43mph, they're entirely at the mercy of local weather conditions. And "without using a single drop of fuel"? Tish. Factor in the fuel used by the support crew as they fuss around it. Don't like that? Then let's see them do it without support.

      Even with fantasy efficiency, there's no mass-to-surface-area that could make this a commercially viable form of transport, ever. It's a beautiful folly, and an impressive exercise in materials science, and should be enjoyed on that basis. The PV aspect is essentially a gimmick though.

      Fine. Then use it as a crop duster. Hell, make solar-powered drones for that matter. Plenty of pointless demand for those damn things to justify the fuel savings (well, kind of).

      The point is not every form of flight is specifically designed to haul the obese (m)asses and their 200 pounds of first-world essentials around. Try opening your mind a bit as to some of the uses this kind of hardware could provide, especially autonomously.

    4. Re:Wonderful, but see it for what it is by hey! · · Score: 2

      This is how America has become a nation of creative eunuchs: myopic focus on near-term profit. Commercial viability? Why the hell would you expect a beyond the bleeding edge technological adventure to be commercially viable? Hell, Columbus' voyage was not commercially viable, although it ultimately brought fabulous weatlh to Spain. The Wright Brothers' Kitty Hawk plane wasn't commercially viable, but it made the brothers rich men. The civilian space program was not initially commercially viable, it was initially an act of national vanity and competitive paranoia. It paid for itself many times over in remote sensing and communication satellites. Yes, I know about Clarke's 1945 proiposal for geostationary communication satellites, but if *that* had been the motivating factor, there'd never have been funding for the Explorer program (1958- present). It took the threat of the Soviets gaining access to and control of the high frontier for us to make the leap into the financial dark.

      The capacity to do something amazing is valuable in itself, because it is a step into the unknown. In the unknown is plenty of space for more timid imaginations to construct "commercial viability".

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    5. Re:Wonderful, but see it for what it is by claar · · Score: 2

      Solar is never going to replace any of the real gas guzzling aircraft that carry hundreds of passengers.

      Hahaha.. I love statements like this.

      How about a craft with mile-wide wings that unfold at altitude? How about solar power being beamed to the craft from a ground or satellite system (still qualified as solar powered in my book)? The old adage "never say never" exists for a reason.

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  2. The good thing is... by theillien · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...since the plane doesn't have fuel it can't crash and burn. It can only crash.

  3. I can see a business case for this by CdBee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But not as air transport. If it can fly without need for refuelling, it can stand in for a communications satellite, endlessly and automatically circling one spot above the cloud level

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    1. Re:I can see a business case for this by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Where does it say that?

      TFA says "Excess energy is stored in 4 lithium polymer batteries that provide backup power for night flights."

      On the project website, it talks about gliding down during the night to conserve energy from battery usage, and cruising up during the day.

      I can't find anywhere that says it needs to land to charge its batteries.

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  4. Re:"To show the world 'power of green technology'" by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It amy not hae any practical value, but it does have PR value.

    Did Lindbergh, or Earhart do anything practical with their feats? Did Gagarin, or Glenn, or Armstrong?

    Not really. But they did keep the public's mind on things which otherwise it may not have. This can be used as a diversion, but it can also be used to help drive technology forward.

    Maybe some people decide to put solar panels on their house. Maybe it drives some investors imaginations into funding the technology (or the government) and advancing the art. Maybe some kid sees it and gets inspired. Years later he goes to Harvard and makes an advance that makes solar energy more feasible as an energy source.

    My point is, you cannot sit in your basement being all cynical, stroking your neckbeard, and saying it doesn't work, so there is no point. People NEED to get out and try. They need to capture imaginations.

    By the way, I do not mean to say that YOU have a neckbeard or live in a basement, but am talking about that general cynical attitude often found here. An attitude that I contribute to more often than I like to admit.

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  5. Ornithopter by Westwood0720 · · Score: 2

    Now we're talking.

  6. Solar powered aircraft by stud9920 · · Score: 2

    Solar powered aircraft has been available for the better part of a century now. It's called sailplanes. And they're probably more practical.

    1. Re:Solar powered aircraft by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Why is it a farce? hmm?

      You people must be the most boring people in the world in your real life. Someone decided to do something adventurous. You people just whine.

      They aren't doing making any claim, and the admit that you can't make a practical PV aircraft. These are people who like to travel the world in hot air balloon.

      "that does not advance any state of the any art."
      why does it have to?

      That said, what cells are the using? what did they learn from wiring it up? How are the dealing with the harsh conditions?

      There is plant to be learned.

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  7. Re:"To show the world 'power of green technology'" by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Because turbines can be bought now, find me such a fuel cell that I can buy. Also storing H and O completely destroys the entire energy density storage of my plan. To make matters worse storing H2, is a huge PITA. It embrittles metal, leaks through everything and likes to pool in structures under roofs making it a hazard in buildings not designed for it.

  8. First? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.solar-flight.com/sunseeker/index.html

    During August of 1990, The Sunseeker crossed the country in 21 flights, with 121 hours in the air.

    First this century, perhaps.

  9. Re:Cheating by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    Oh no, the Apollo missions launched from a southerly location in the US to increase the boost from the earth's rotation! The worthless cheaters! We haven't really put a man on the moon until we've launched from Maine, and picked up burgers at a drive-through in California on the flight out!