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Nuclear Power Prevents More Deaths Than It Causes

MTorrice writes "NASA researchers have compared nuclear power to fossil fuel energy sources in terms of greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution-related deaths. Using nuclear power in place of coal and gas power has prevented some 1.8 million deaths globally over the past four decades and could save millions of more lives in coming decades, concludes their study. The pair also found that nuclear energy prevents emissions of huge quantities of greenhouse gases. These estimates help make the case that policymakers should continue to rely on and expand nuclear power in place of fossil fuels to mitigate climate change, the authors say."

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  1. Long term? by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am still wanting to see a viable long term storage solution for the waste, with at least one example of a spent rod finding a final and safe resting place. Otherwise the tail risk of nuclear power is just a myth.

    1. Re:Long term? by MasseKid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, I'm still waiting to see the long term solution for the waste of coal plants. And no, existing as a greenhouse gas in the atmosphere doesn't count.

    2. Re:Long term? by CarlosHawes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we haven't even discussed the impacts of extracting the coal. Have you ever seen a large strip mine with dragline in person? Wow!

    3. Re:Long term? by Artraze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have yet to see a nonviable solution to storing nuclear waste. The problem is that no one wants viable, they want perfect. The standards are being set by the fearful, with the design to not really make storage safe, but to make it impossible in order to kill the industry.

    4. Re:Long term? by LongearedBat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...that would actually meet our current demands over the course of a typical day night cycle.

    5. Re:Long term? by JavaBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The long term waste is a known quantity, and needs to be addressed. But it is nowhere nearly as pressing a concern as the global CO2 levels are.

      We have to bring down the CO2 emissions dramatically, and fast. Doing this through renewable energies would be nice, but it is a pipe dream at best. At least for now. We have to go nuclear, and do so on an far more aggressive scale than we are using it now, if we are to survive long enough, to be able to harness the still elusive fusion and renewable energy bonanza, the greens and the lawmakers are still clinging to.

    6. Re:Long term? by denvergeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why must we always blame "the environmentalists"? Fuck, the US has less restrictive environmental regulation compared to Canada and Japan, and those countries have "the environmentalists" as well.

      Maybe it's because our rotten fucking system can't build anything in a cost efficient manner, without pork? Maybe some other reason?

    7. Re:Long term? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean, like the French, who were TRYING to reprocess spent fuel, and abandoned the project? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superph%C3%A9nix That was the closest that anyone came in making a commercial breeder reactor. All other programs are research programs, who are not scheduled to put out enough electricity to function as an actual commercial plant.

      Breeder reactors are a bitch to work. As far as I know, there is no successful commercial program on the horizon.

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    8. Re:Long term? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful
    9. Re:Long term? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This one can't be laid at the environmentalist's feet. The ban on re-processing is purely political and appears to be specifically to make nuclear power look much less attractive than it actually is. Follow the money.

  2. Re:So? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It isn't the deaths we are most worried about.

    Then what are you worried about?

    It's also contaminated less land. And takes up less space overall.

    Certianly compared to coal, which produces vast quantities of ash waste (which sometimes has massive spills), churns our mercury and requires insanely huge mining operations due to the sheer volume of coal required.

    So, basacilly nuclear provides solid, reliable baseline power with fewer deaths per kWh than any other scheme in existence.

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  3. It's not waste by MpVpRb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would argue that it's not waste..It's valuable raw material we don't currently use

    1. Re:It's not waste by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reprocessing of nuclear waste doesn't have technical or economic hurdles, our reasons for not doing it are all political.

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  4. Re:So? by LongearedBat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're worried about accidents, then you're worried about deaths and and sickness. But fossil fuels are worse.

    If you're worried about weaponisation, then you're worried about deaths. The cat's out of the bag, and not using nuclear power stations won't stop people from making bombs.

    If you're worried about waste, then you need not worry.

    So what are you more worried about than deaths?

  5. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can own a radio without a car; you cannot operate a hydro plant without a dam. Your analogy is flawed.

    The inherent dangers and ecological drawbacks of dams are necessarily inherent to hydro-electric power stations.

  6. Re:So? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nuclear Energy is part of a complete energy plan.

    Well it's a stepping stone to a sustainable energy plan anyway. But yes, it will be necessary for probably 50-100 years before we can fully finish converting to entirely renewable sources.

    The *only* way nuclear is 'good' is that its less bad than coal in terms of greenhouse gases. No more.

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  7. Re:So? by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what's a false dichotomy? Comparing nuclear to coal when talking about costs, and renewable when talking about environmental effect.

  8. Re:Sure by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    2) Provide for power in all parts of the world, from northern latitudes to the equator.

    This how opponents of renewables make sure they always fail to meet their requirements. Obviously it is dumb trying to use the same type of energy everywhere.

    Take Scotland as an example. Using wind they meet your base load requirement. Yes, locally wind speed varies, but over the entire country there is always enough energy being produced to supply a certain amount of base load. Furthermore wind speed is very predictable over the short term, and you can always keep some idling gas plants around to fill in those rare occasions when you need more energy.

    Further south solar collectors are the way to go. 0.3% of the energy that falls on the Sahara could power all of Europe. They work 24/7 all year round and are ideal of base load.

    Japan has massive geothermal resources, as does a lot of central and northern Africa.

    Discard your ridiculous "must work everywhere equally" requirement and the other two are easily met with current technology.

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  9. Re:So? by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nuclear wins... Hands down.

    At least until you factor in the cost of the bribes required to get enough politicians to tell the environmental lobby to take a hike long enough to get a plant approved and running... That has apparently killed the industry over the last decade or two here in the US. World wide though, it is pretty clear that nuclear power is the way to go for generating the base of an industrialized nation's electrical power.

    They would not have built them, if they didn't make financial sense... With the possible exception of North Korea and Iran who are building them for other reasons...

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