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SkyDrive 3.0: Microsoft Gave Up Fighting Apple's 30% Cut

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft on Wednesday released SkyDrive 3.0 for iOS out of the blue. Last time the app was in the news, Apple was stopping Microsoft from pushing out an update in the App Store because the company doesn't pay a 30 percent cut of the subscription revenue it generates. Now we've learned how Microsoft managed to update its iOS app today. 'We worked with Apple to create a solution that benefited our mutual customers,' a Microsoft spokesperson told TNW. 'The SkyDrive app for iOS is slightly different than other SkyDrive apps in that people interested in buying additional storage will do so via the web versus in the app.' Does this set a precedent for an iOS version of Microsoft Office?"

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  1. Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    It sounds like Microsoft didn't so much as give up, as go around Apple. If you buy on the web, Apple doesn't get the cut. Microsoft got the app into the app store. Pretty much seems like Microsoft got most of what they wanted, and Apple got nothing other than the ability to say their policy is still unviolated. Which, considering the nature of it, isn't exactly a great marketing ploy.

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    1. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      It sounds like Microsoft didn't so much as give up, as go around Apple.

      Microsoft did not give up anything and there was nothing to "get around". Apple's rules are very clear: in app purchases pay Apple a percentage, web purchases do not. No deceit involved by either party.

    2. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by laird · · Score: 2

      Exactly right. Apple charges for providing the in-app and app-store purchasing infrastructure,marketing, consistent user experience with high adoption rates, etc., for which they charge 30%. Companies have been free to choose not to use it, and do try to drive people to web sites for purchasing for as long as there have been iOS apps. It's a simple decision, really. If you would lose more than 30% of your sales due to the "friction" you use Apple's in-store and in-app purchasing. And if you think that you would lose less than 30% of your sales you sell access to service/content through the web site, and give the app away for free.

    3. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, Apple wins. Because there is competition between apps, and some app publishers will decide pay the 30% tax and make it easier for customers, and they might get more paying users that way.

      It's like those immensely profitable companies bleating that their money is "trapped" overseas and they can't use it to "invest" in the USA. No it isn't trapped at all, just pay the taxes.

    4. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exact opposite for me, it ensures I'll never use iBooks, no matter how many times it prompts me to install it. I can ready my Kindle catalogue across all my devices, and buy pretty much all f my books on there. Weird how things have changed - I'll root for any company against Apple now. They're just a greedy shell with no innovations, leeching as much as they can from customers and devs alike. Fuck em.

    5. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by keytoe · · Score: 2

      Well will you look at this bullshit. There wasn't an App Store in the 1.x era. If you must shill or be a fanboy at least try to keep your facts straight.

      Whoops - I meant 2.x days. It was when the store first opened. Settle down, puppy.

    6. Re:Maybe I'm not reading this right, but by warrigal · · Score: 2

      Well, it's just as well nobody else charges 30% for in-app sales through their curated App Store on top of the initial sale...
      What? Who? Oh!

  2. iOS Office? No! by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 2

    The majority of iOS users would not want office since they do not use it in a productive manor. They use it to text, play games, and send pictures of their penis's / boobs to random people. no need for an access database to sort your penis pix.

    1. Re:iOS Office? No! by AlphaBit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Speak for your own penis pix, please.

    2. Re:iOS Office? No! by anagama · · Score: 5, Funny

      The majority of iOS users ... send pictures of their ... boobs to random people

      I'm trashing my android phone and getting an iPhone today!

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  3. Uhhhh . . . by Kimomaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Does this set a precedent for an iOS version of Microsoft Office?"

    No, it means I'm now officially tired of both companies. I hadn't realized that computers had just become red-tape machines instead of facilitators.

  4. Re:Bifurcated Pricing by mwolfe38 · · Score: 2

    I wonder if any developers have bumped up rates for in app purchases (+30%) while still giving the option to buy on the website w/o the premium. Not sure if this would violate any rules, but this would seem to offer customers a choice, while exposing Apple's cut for convenience.

    It is against apple's terms. And honestly, it's pretty ridiculous IMO. I don't see how they can both force you to use them for in app purchases, and then dictate that you must pay 30% for anything purchased through the app. Thank god apple didn't create the first web browser or every website that sold products would have to pay apple to do so.

  5. This is the standard, "permissible" way for Apple by bradgoodman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple explicitly allows this - I think this goes back a couple years with Kindle stuff. If you sell through apple, they get a cut. If you are going to take money thought the app, you have to do it via the AppStore, thus Apple will get a cut. The other provision is that if you allow you app to merelty talk to an existing "subscription", you can do that. You just cant do purchases, or exchange money through the app. For example, I can go to Amazon's web site and buy a Kindle book and link it to my Amazon account. I can get the Kindle app and look at any books in my Kindle account. I CANNOT however purchase books through the Kindle app while NOT doing this through Apple and the AppStore. This is why you can read Kindle books, but not purchase them via the iOS app.

  6. Re:Not really news... by dhavleak · · Score: 2

    So Microsoft had to follow the same rules as every other developer...even after all of their stalling & complaining? Either pay the 30% cut to have in app purchases or have the purchase separate on the web & sync it separately.

    For you the customer (or potential customer) either the convenience of in-app purchases gets lost, or the purchases cost you 30% more for no good reason. You're happy about this why?

    Office is a potential 3 or 4 billion dollar business on the iPhone. That would make Apple roughly 1 billion dollars in revenue, for work they didn't do. Obviously that cost is passed on to customers. It's not just Microsoft -- it's kindle books from Amazon and many other things. Why do you want to pay more?

    Apple's rules certainly are clear. That's not the same as saying they make sense. 30% cut, one-size-fits-all-business models? Doesn't make sense.

  7. Re:This is the standard, "permissible" way for App by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pray they don't alter the deal any further.

  8. Re:We have to to do the same thing by dhavleak · · Score: 2

    Companies might have to start issuing license keys in this manner for their s/w to get around Apple's stubbornness..

    - Download app for free from the store
    - On first launch, app sends you to a webpage where you can buy a license
    - Copy-paste license key into app (or something like that)

    Apple's basically messing with the user experience by being stubborn.

  9. Re:Not really news... by DaHat · · Score: 2

    There is a larger issue at hand I'd expect... subsequent billing... as services like SkyDrive, Office 365, Netflix, etc aren't just used on one device... and tend to be paid for on a regular cycle.

    Letâ(TM)s take MS out of it... letâ(TM)s say you buy an iPad, download the Netflix app and sign up for an account (something I do not believe the app supports)... by doing so Apple gets it's 30% cut... each month in theory.

    A year or three goes by and you decide to wipe your iPad and buy a non iOS device... in fact, you no longer have any Apple device in your home and now watch Netflix through a Roku or PS3... should Apple still be getting a 30% cut each and every month until you cancel the subscription and re-subscribe?

  10. Re:We have to to do the same thing by teg · · Score: 2

    Companies might have to start issuing license keys in this manner for their s/w to get around Apple's stubbornness..

    - Download app for free from the store - On first launch, app sends you to a webpage where you can buy a license - Copy-paste license key into app (or something like that)

    Apple's basically messing with the user experience by being stubborn.

    This is not allowed. What is allowed, and many companies do, is that you sign up on their web site and can then access the service on iOS. Or you get free access if you already have the service, the IOS app is just another delivery mechanism - e.g. you get The Economist free on the iPad if you subscribe on paper.