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Film Critic Roger Ebert Dead at 70 Of Cancer

New submitter AndyKrish links to the BBC's report that just two days after penning a "leave of presence" in which he says "I am not going away," Roger Ebert — "arguably the world's most famous film critic" — has died of cancer. Ebert was a long-time film critic for the Chicago Sun-Times, as well as (most famously along with Gene Siskel) for a string of television shows. In the course of dealing with persistent cancer that affected his thyroid and jaw, and which took away his voice, Ebert became a prolific blogger on movies as well as other topics, and drew on cutting edge technology to regain the power of speech.

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  1. Sad Day by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't agree with every review, but all in all he was damned good critic, and a significant part of his Great Movies list is a must-see for me.

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    1. Re:Sad Day by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think a huge part of what made him a great critic was that even when you disagreed with his opinion, you could usually sympathize with him anyway. It takes an unusually talented critic to pull that off.

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    2. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a sad day. I also read earlier that Iain Banks has only months to live.

    3. Re:Sad Day by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think a huge part of what made him a great critic was that even when you disagreed with his opinion, you could usually sympathize with him anyway. It takes an unusually talented critic to pull that off.

      I generally felt that way more about Gene Siskel, he always seemed to be down on movies I enjoyed, but he did articulate well why he didn't like something, rather than be a complete a** like Rex Reed.

      Sneak Previews was one of the few television shows I'd free up some time each week to watch. It was a great show and taught that you don't have to agree with all or any one film critic(s). More often I'd agree with Roger, he seemed like he enjoyed basically fun films, where Gene was looking more at the quality of the production. As I grew older I'd appreciate both points of view and not just throw my money away just because Disney, Lucas or anyone else rolled out yet-another movie.

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    4. Re:Sad Day by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is one thing that Ebert said about movies that stands above everything else:

      “It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.”

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    5. Re:Sad Day by tedgyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I generally agreed with his reviews much more than his partner Siskel. Roger recognized that not all movies have to have a greater purpose. Sometimes it is ok to just have fun.

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    6. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Steve Jobs also died of cancer. I guess everyone's a critic.

    7. Re:Sad Day by Jeff321 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dark City! He did a commentary track for the blu-ray even.

    8. Re:Sad Day by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And put it on his Great Movies list, and it is indeed an astounding movie, the greatest of all of the children of Metropolis.

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    9. Re:Sad Day by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I thought Ebert killed Siskel because he was tired of second billing.

    10. Re:Sad Day by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But both of them were capable more than most of saying "I didn't like 28 Days Later, but for a zombie movie, it was so much better than most, I'll give it a thumbs up" (28 Days just being something I could see them saying, I can't recall a specific incident at the moment). They didn't rate every movie like it was for the Best Picture Oscar, but managed some context. Sort of like Skyfall. If you like Bond, you'll like Skyfall. If you think Bond movies have become too slow, and the action scenes all try too hard to out do the previous movie's scenes, then you'll hate it. So how do you rate it? It depends on what you want to see. They were better at articulating that distinction within their reviews than most, who would just give it a star rating and move on.

    11. Re:Sad Day by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I loved it too. I don't know why Matrix got all the big press at the time when Dark City was a lot better in many ways with many of the same themes.

    12. Re:Sad Day by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Even if you disagreed with him you did better damn well listen to what he said.
      His opinions were well founded and he will be sorely missed.

      He would propably appreciate the irony that the biggest wreath of them all will come from Rob Schneider.

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    13. Re:Sad Day by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Ebert had something taken off his bill, that's for sure.

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    14. Re:Sad Day by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      rather than be a complete a**

      Say "ass". You know you want to. We're all adults here, we can take a vulgar reference every now and then.

      Seriously, either curse or don't; this *bleeb* business is simply pathethic.

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    15. Re:Sad Day by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Siskel commented that Ebert may have been the better writer but that he was the better reviewer, to which I agree. Nevertheless I'm a big fan of his writing and appreciate his takes on Herzog and Scorcese, among others. It's rare I care at all about the
      passing of a personality but for me this is a sad day.

    16. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Bond. I hate Daniel Craig as him. Skyfall sucked.

      Frankly I believe the whole franchise died once Connery and Moore were out. They were it and it will never be the same or as good.

    17. Re:Sad Day by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      I like Bond, I've read most of the books, but I did not like SkyFall. The whole "the old ways are better" meme was overkilled and the villian had worked out/predicted the movements of MI6 personel to accurate to even be entertaining.

    18. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound rather sensitive for someone who doesn't mind belting out the f word in every conversation.

    19. Re:Sad Day by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

      Thanks odd. I remember the disagreement between the two about a Bengie movie. Ebert hated it while Siskel liked it as a fun movie for what it was. It was a hilarious disagreement because both were so passionate. They even went on Oprah later and got into it a bit.

    20. Re:Sad Day by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

      Pardon I was completely wrong. The positions were indeed reversed. Ebert was light hearted about the movie. But I still got a kick out of watching that segment again. I think it's interested they were more passionate about that film than about Full Metal Jacket.

    21. Re:Sad Day by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that. And I own the Director's Cut blu-ray, too.
      I'll have to rewatch it now with his commentary turned on.

    22. Re:Sad Day by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Funny

      You sound rather sensitive for someone who doesn't mind belting out the f word in every conversation.

      Are you by chance referring to the fuck word?

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    23. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skyfall was horrendous. Just off the top of my head....we'll temporarily move MI6 to a WWII bunker because the current building's network got hacked.
      OOPS! Somebody accidentally hooked up all the trapdoor covers with electronics so they can be controlled via the computer network! Fucking Doh!!!!
      Don't get me started...
      Fuck me...how can ANYONE from Slashdot not hate that piece of shit movie?

    24. Re:Sad Day by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I only read a few of his reviews because I found most of them to be rather thoughtless and lame. Take his review on "Team America" for example. He gave it a bad review mainly because it joked about those waging the war on terror. The content of the movie, even its purpose, was just completely lost on him. I later found out that he gave Fahrenheit 9/11 a good review for exactly the same reason, only that movie wasn't even entertaining unless you like watching the blooper reel of political messages. I know its purpose wasn't intended to entertain, but it wasn't useful for anything else unless you like watching political propaganda.

      I really don't see any sense in respecting the opinion of such a person. My opinion of him isn't just based on that though - rather that is one of the most egregious examples of where I can think of him giving a movie an unfair review because it offended him. (And that's part of the message of the movie - they intended to offend everybody who watched it in at least some way.)

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    25. Re:Sad Day by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      I actually rather enjoyed Skyfall. It seemed back to the more "superhuman gentleman" of old Bond movies, which I prefer. Much better than the couple of "actionhero" movies that came before it; felt like they were just trying to follow Mission Impossible (which were horribly bland and boring IMHO).
      Bond movies can have all the plot-holes and 1-dimensional story they want, I just expect them to be over-the-top and he'd damn well better get all the girls at the end.

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    26. Re:Sad Day by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      rather than be a complete a**

      Say "ass". You know you want to. We're all adults here, we can take a vulgar reference every now and then.

      Seriously, either curse or don't; this *bleeb* business is simply pathethic.

      HEE-haw!

    27. Re:Sad Day by dywolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Truth. Also, a good, consistent reviewer makes a great weather vane, even when you disagree with em. Ebert was a truly talented writer who always gave more than enough information for you to get a sense of your own (future) opinion, even if it was a movie you were likely to disagree with him on.

      Plus he had that most essential quality: he genuinely loved movies and simply wanted to share that and them with everyone.
      contrary to a lot of critics who simply want to flame everyone and everything, and dictate the opinion of the masses.

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    28. Re:Sad Day by dywolf · · Score: 2

      work filters dude.
      work filters.

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    29. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're right. I hated most of the movies he loved, and he hated nerd movies. His ctiticism was worth watching, anyway.

    30. Re:Sad Day by dywolf · · Score: 1

      intending to offend isnt a message. its just a middle finger. no more, no less.

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    31. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoyed Dark City, but Ebert thought it was amazingly original while I thought it was hugely derivative (particularly of Jeunet's City of Lost Children). And like The Matrix, it may seem original if you're not a science fiction reader. Just because the ideas hadn't been done on the big screen before doesn't mean they were new ideas.

  2. he liked boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He worked with Russ Meyer.

    1. Re:he liked boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't for the life of me remember where read or saw it, and and a quick search didn't reveal anything of note, but someone pointed out that Ebert apparently had a crush on Angelina Jolie since he seemed to give good reviews to movies that she starred in even if they were complete crap like Hackers

    2. Re:he liked boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, he played favorites, all right. It was his stalking horse. He couldn't escape the allure of the power, money and glamour the film industry had (while Gene Siskle was immune to it), and got sucked into co-option at times. He also put social message ahead of artistic merit, particularly in the oscar races (Crash being the most notorious movie he actively campaigned for). He was far from perfect.

    3. Re:he liked boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > he liked boobs

      Who doesn't???

    4. Re:he liked boobs by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      His most notorious crush was on Ingrid Bergman. He was constantly comparing other actresses to her. And a lot of people (me included) think that the reason he savaged "Blue Velvet" was because he thought Lynch mistreated Isabella Rossellini (Bergman's daughter) by -gasp- portraying her as a mess instead of an idol.

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  3. Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These really opened up a lot more films to me, beyond the Hollywood pap. Miss them both. Massive, massive props to them both.

    Never dreamed I'd ever converse with either of them, but did tweet a bit with Roger. Great guy.

    RIP, Roger

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    1. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Siskel & Ebert was from a different time when you could turn on the TV and see two educated people have a lively and respectful disagreement about matters of quality. I don't expect I'll live to see such a thing again.

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    2. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I remember we used to make a point of watching Siskel & Ebert every weekend - real "appointment TV". Even though sometimes we were laughing at them - even the best film critics can be rather pretentious at times - I thoroughly enjoyed their banter and was disappointed when I would miss a show.

      It was a very sad day when Gene Siskel died fairly young, and now we've lost Roger Ebert as well. It's just movies, I realize - but it's also another part of my youth that's gone away.

      Now please - show some respect and get off my lawn.

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    3. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by tool462 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Siskel & Ebert was from a different time when you could turn on the TV and see two educated people have a lively and respectful disagreement about matters of quality. I don't expect I'll live to see such a thing again.

      There's always the internet...

    4. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It was a very sad day when Gene Siskel died fairly young, and now we've lost Roger Ebert as well. It's just movies, I realize

      It isn't "just" movies - movies are a major part of modern culture. Once a society gets above the level of mere subsistence, culture is pretty much the entire point of human existence.

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    5. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      A respectful disagreement on the internet? Jane, you ignorant slut!

    6. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many "Funny" points were you shooting for, anyway? ;)

    7. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      It was a very sad day when Gene Siskel died fairly young, and now we've lost Roger Ebert as well. It's just movies, I realize

      It isn't "just" movies - movies are a major part of modern culture. Once a society gets above the level of mere subsistence, culture is pretty much the entire point of human existence.

      If you don't mind, I will steal and share that quote. With attribution, of course.

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    8. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reviewer # 2: Yeah, I got a review, you're a dick! Sun Times, what's up!

    9. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 3, Informative

      While it probably won't appeal to many Slashdot readers, the ESPN show, "Pardon the Interruption," is of similar style and caliber. The hosts, Michael Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser, were both veteran staff writers for the Washington Post (and were still active for the first several seasons), and their opinions are consistently well developed and expressed. Even my wife, who only watches the occasional big game, enjoys watching the show.

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    10. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty interesting coming from you. You're an asshole and a Linux zealot. You're exactly the type of person who's incapable of having a respectful disagreement either because you are not sufficiently educated or it's simply not in your nature. Even if you don't see yourself as the prick you really are, you can at least recognize those who have qualities you do not possess.

    11. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by antdude · · Score: 1

      What did you guys say to each other? Are they still up?

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    12. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by drcagn · · Score: 1

      I have to respectfully disagree with you there. While some good points can be brought up on PTI, at most times the show seems so scripted that I cannot possibly accept that Wilbon and Kornheiser believe what's coming out of their mouths. It's like they are purposely given point and counterpoint by writers.

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    13. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by RoninSA · · Score: 1

      "Once a society gets above the level of mere subsistence, culture is pretty much the entire point of human existence." One sentence so simple, yet poignantly stated. Art, is our testimony to the future that we've made an impact in the millisecond of time on Earth. Whether, that impact is substantive or not knows. Ebert his genius was his ability to critique works as complex Stanley Kubricks "Eyes Wide Shut" and analyze the work fully while at the same time reviewing a piece like South Park Bigger badder and Uncut and give it the same standard of attention and respect of process.

    14. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Once a society gets above the level of mere subsistence, culture is pretty much the entire point of human existence..."

      What ridiculous, pretentious crap.

    15. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you, Roger..? A thumbs-down from beyond the grave!

    16. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use it for whatever you want. I prefer you don't give me attribution, I'd rather not invite any attention.

    17. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      That was me, posted AC by mistake.

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    18. Re:Siskel & Ebert Sneak Previews by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      Acknowledged. Thank you.

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  4. Most world famous?? by guantamanera · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I never heard of Mr Ebert, may he rest in peace, until today. Maybe he is anglophone world famous, but not world's most famous film criti. I am very sure 1 chinese critic or indian critic will take his spot away easily. And I do know of Anglophone critics, one that I follow is Robbie Collin.

    1. Re:Most world famous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And I do know of Anglophone critics, one that I follow is Robbie Collin.

      If you know of Anglophone critics, then you know of Ebert. Instead, you just know a person that happens to be an Anglophone critic. Ebert was the giant of Anglophone critics. He was big enough to get his own TV show, and it was very popular! This is astounding when you consider other types of art criticism.

      Really, all your post is doing is professing your ignorance. Yes, he was American and Americans are going to remember him the most, blah, blah, blah. But if you watch English language movies and you haven't heard of him, then you are sitting under a rock. If you own 100 good English language movies, his name and rating will probably be on at least 10 of them, if not more. Have you ever heard a movie referred to as "two thumbs up/down"? If so, then you've heard of Ebert.

    2. Re:Most world famous?? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect if you talk to a Chinese or Indian film critic, they would know exactly who he was. In fact, he'd started to integrate foreign reviewers on his web site with his "Far Flung Correspondence", something I hope whoever takes over his job (I'm assuming Jim Emerson) will do.

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    3. Re:Most world famous?? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am very sure 1 chinese critic or indian critic will take his spot away easily.

      . . . beautiful idea for a Saturday Night Live Sketch, with the Chinese critic and the Indian critic playing Siskel & Ebert . . .

      Chinese Critic: "There was just too much missing from this plot. Take the hero, for example. His father didn't get killed by an evil tyrant. His son, our hero, didn't swear revenge against the evil tyrant. He didn't go to the Shaolin temple to learn Kung Fu. The Master there didn't tell him to learn sweeping the courtyard before learning Kung Fu. Just nothing of a plot was there."

      Indian Critic: "I was waiting the whole time for half the state of Uttar Pradesh to sing and dance, but that scene never came. That bit with the Munchkins Ding Donging it was kinda sorta ok . . . but it just lacked the full gala of a real film."

      Chinese Critic: "Yes, there is no reason for further discussing it . . . it is quite seldom that we agree, but we unanimously give two thumbs down to this 'Wizard of Oz' work . . . lest I dare call it a film."

      Both Siskel and Ebert were good-humored enough to laugh at parodies of themselves.

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    4. Re:Most world famous?? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      As far as I know, he's primarily known in the United States.
      I had never heard of him while growing up in the UK.

      He and partner pioneered the 'low information' form of review, that amounted to 3 states, where all reviews were members of the set {two thumbs down, 1 thumb up, 2 thumbs up}

      That's all I know on this topic.

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    5. Re:Most world famous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to scan through my english movies library. No mention of Roger Ebert in the description.

      One such example is Black snake moan, in spanish is "El lamento de la serpiente negra" I googled the DVD images, and I noticed in the US version it mentions Roger Ebert, but not in the Brittish version.

      Another such example is the movie look who is talking. That one has the 2 thumps up and ebert's name. But there is no mention of Ebbert in the Brittish, australian and spanish version.

    6. Re:Most world famous?? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      The "thumbs" rating setup was just a gimmick. From what I remember of the show (and I'm old enough to have watched the earliest ones when they were new), they usually went in-depth into the movie at hand, often in ways that challenged the viewer to think it through. Also, their show began in the age before most of you even knew what an Internet was, and the only other way to get a sneak peek at the movie were the (incredibly over-hyped) TV ads or the (ditto) upcoming movie trailers at the local theater (when everyone was getting popcorn or whatever at the last minute).

      Besides, the intelligent person would forget the whole thumbs up/down stuff at the end anyway, and listen to what they were actually saying about the movie before then.

      Overall, it was hit-or-miss as to what they liked versus what I liked, but I appreciated the way they approached the subject, and in the way they explained how they reached their respective conclusions.

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    7. Re:Most world famous?? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The chief difference between the earlier shows and the later ones was more about the camaraderie that grew between Siskell and Ebert. In the early days they were a lot more sincerely combative, and my brother and I (who were just nine or ten at the time we started watching them) genuinely thought the two didn't like each other very much. As it progressed into the mid-80s, I think they had spent so much time around each other that the nastier aspects of their relationship fell by the wayside, and I gather in the last years of Siskel's life they in fact had become very close (btw. Ebert put Saturday Night Fever on his Great Movies list not so much because he thought it was a great movie but because it was Siskel's favorite film).

      The two thumbs concept was what they would do at the end of the review, but the reviews themselves were usually pretty in depth, particularly considering the show was just a half an hour in length. If you wanted their in depth criticisms, you had to read their newspapers. Still, the show did a lot to shape my taste in films.

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    8. Re:Most world famous?? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Both Siskel and Ebert were good-humored enough to laugh at parodies of themselves.

      They were even willing to particpate in the parody as themselves.

    9. Re:Most world famous?? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      He and partner pioneered the 'low information' form of review, that amounted to 3 states, where all reviews were members of the set {two thumbs down, 1 thumb up, 2 thumbs up}

      The idea behind the "thumbs" was that all people really wanted to know is if they should go see a movie, and no other rating system really gives that sort of yes/no answer.

    10. Re:Most world famous?? by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      He was big enough to get his own TV show, and it was very popular! This is astounding when you consider other types of art criticism.

      He was also the first writer to win a Pulitzer Prize ... for movie reviews. That achievement, in and of itself, deserves respect.

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    11. Re:Most world famous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This should help you understand his significance. I put the size at 500 so that you wouldn't have to constantly re-size it.

      Note: if it is linked in a Wikipedia article, his reviews have been at least argued to be notable. And in case you are counting, his article is linked to nearly 5,000 other articles in the English edition.

      And your use of Black Snake Moan is a shitty example. He was hospitalized during its review for his TV program, so he didn't give it a thumb ranking. It is also not a great film. Unless you get a great review from Ebert, you won't be putting his name on your product. He gave it 3 stars. I'm sure there is an obscure critic they can use that gave it 4 stars to replace Ebert's ranking. But if Ebert gives a 4 star ranking, nobody would replace that.

    12. Re:Most world famous?? by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      imdb.com:
      Black Snake Moan / Critic Reviews / #1 - Roger Ebert
      Look Who's Talking / Critic Reviews / #1 - Roger Ebert
      Wall Street / Critic Reviews / #1 - Roger Ebert
      The Remains of the Day / Critic Reviews / #1 - Roger Ebert
      Santa Sangre / Critic Reviews / #1 AND #2 - Roger Ebert
      Battleship Potemkin / Critic Reviews / #1 - Roger Ebert

      I'm not saying he's ranked as the #1 reviewer on the site. He's just, pretty much *always*, the first on the list.

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    13. Re:Most world famous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never heard of Mr Ebert, may he rest in peace, until today.

      What, after today, no more resting in peace? Are you some sort of zombie fan?

    14. Re:Most world famous?? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Take the hero, for example. His father didn't get killed ...
        two thumbs down to this 'Wizard of Oz'

      His father? I think I spotted the problem.

    15. Re:Most world famous?? by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      I came across one "RIP Ebert" tweet yesterday from an ethnic palestinian living in UAE. Most of his followers are Muslims from that part of the world, and he didn't bother to try to explain who the guy was, just reported it.

      Yes, I think that qualifies as "world famous". Your own ignorance is your personal problem.

    16. Re:Most world famous?? by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      Quite correct. You have to realise that they were the head film critics for the two competing daily newspapers in what was at the time the second largest city in the USA. To make matters worse, Gene Siskel grew up in elite boarding schools and graduated from Yale, while Roger Ebert was the son of an electrician who graduated from Illinois. They were set up to hate each other from the get-go, and at first they did.

      A large part of what made the early shows entertaining and informative was the arguments they had over the movies they saw. It was almost like they wanted to fight. So if they both agreed on something, it was almost reluctantly, and meant they couldn't find anything to fight over. Thus a "two thumbs up" became a really big deal. If a movie got that, a promoters job was pretty much done. Rather than burying you under positive review verbiage full of suspicious elipses, they'd just say "Two thumbs up!" - Siskel and Ebert, in the promotional material, and go cash their checks.

      Over the run of their partnership we got to watch them acquire grudging respect for each other, and slowly that transformed into something more. When Gene Siskel died, it was almost like watching a death in a long-running marriage. Now that Ebert is gone too, we all have to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing is really and truly gone. Its hard.

    17. Re:Most world famous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 states. {siskel:up, ebert:down} is a very different state than {siskel:down, ebert:up}

    18. Re:Most world famous?? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Only a fool trusts others to decide who is worthy of respect or not.

      He disrespected me and my craft, and was always just a bit daft. Whatever happened to "respect is earned"?
      It wasn't earned from me, nor would I award it to him on the whim of those who grant the Pulitzer Prize. Can you name these awarders? How can you say then that their award has merit?

      Think and judge for yourself. Perhaps this is why I have little care for critics? It is the target audience who's opinions I value. Not out of touch pompous windbags.

    19. Re:Most world famous?? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      True. But I've never seen it reported that way.

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    20. Re:Most world famous?? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      On reflection, I've only every seen "Two Thumbs Up!" reported. Presumably they aren't interested in mentioned the S&E review if it isn't two thumbs up.

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    21. Re:Most world famous?? by itchybrain · · Score: 1

      Nice try.

      However, it's not the same without a third character (as in: an Irish, an English and a French walked into a bar...).

      Here, let me demonstrate (off-topic):

      An Indian, a Malay and a Chinese waited outside the prime minister's office.

      The prime minister summoned the Indian into his office and asked, "How much will it cost to send you to the moon?".
      The Indian replied, "One million dollars because it is a risky job".
      Taken aback, the prime minister next consulted with the Malay.
      The Malay replied, "Two million dollars because I have two wives to feed should anything happen to me".
      Disappointed with the answer, the prime minister called upon his last candidate, the Chinese.
      The Chinese curtly replied, "Three million dollars".
      Outraged, the prime minister demanded an explanation, to which the Chinese replied,
      "You keep one million, I keep one million and we send the Indian to the moon for one million".

      If you like this joke, you can thank my dad. Otherwise, sorry, no refund.

    22. Re:Most world famous?? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      He disrespected me and my craft

      What ... did he send you a letter or something? Let us see it.

      If you're claiming that Roger Ebert disrespected the craft of movie-making, on the other hand, you're a fool.

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  5. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had hoped to one day convince him that video games were art. I would have loved to see him write a review for something like Planescape: Torment. Instead, I will have to continue having this argument inside my head. Without Ebert's blessing, video games are still going to have to go a long way before anybody considers them art, and that is sad.

    1. Re:Damn by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Well, Mail Order Monsters and Paradroid were clearly art and a helluva lot of fun to play.

      I'll get me walker...

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    2. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      He addressed that very question in his last blog post. He was always one of us; a science fiction fan from the beginning, and an enthusiastic adopter of technology as it arrived. While he was on the wrong side of the question of video games as art, at least he cared enough to think about it and debate it.

      From http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2013/04/a_leave_of_presense.html

      "And gamers beware, I am even thinking about a movie version of a video game or mobile app. Once completed, you can engage me in debate on whether you think it is art."

      I read in that good humour and an open mind, even at death's door.

    3. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To get off the walker you just need to add more to HP after winning your bout. OR transfer to a 123 or 247 droid.

    4. Re:Damn by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I would have loved to see him write a review for something like Planescape: Torment.

      Hell, I'd love to see just creative and competent un-paid-for review of a given video game. Between the thirst for ad money, and pressure from gaming companies? Damn, you know?

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    5. Re:Damn by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Mail Order Monsters is now called "Pokemon" (same general idea).

    6. Re:Damn by dissy · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'd love to see just creative and competent un-paid-for review of a given video game. Between the thirst for ad money, and pressure from gaming companies? Damn, you know?

      Definately wading into offtopic I know, but would you settle for creative, comedic, nostalgic, and un-paid-for-by-gaming-companies?

      The closest I know of, and one of my personal favorites, is the angry video game nerd

      Certainly not on the same level (or even game) as Siskell and Ebert, but entertaining in a different way none the less, and it is obviously a work of love and not money.

      Just thought I'd share.

    7. Re:Damn by Kelbear · · Score: 2

      Giantbomb doesn't take money for video game reviews. It was founded by a guy who was fired for giving a bad review, and the fellow reviewers who left with him.

      They review games they think are interesting or their community is interested in, if they aren't sent a review copy, they'll just go buy one at retail after release. They know they can't cover everything, so if a gaming company wants to "pressure them", they'll just buy their own copy to review. They know that means they won't have a review on launch day, and they're explicitly ok with that.

    8. Re:Damn by UncleRage · · Score: 1

      Ben Croshaw (aka Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation) also does an admirable job; to the point of questioning how video games can achieve the status of art when so many AAA producers refuse to break away from bad television cliches.

      Back on topic, never having known the man (Roger Ebert, that is), I'm still saddened by his passing. He was a standard in his field -- and always appeared to approach his task with professionalism and genuine integrity. Regardless of whether I agreed or disagreed with his final view, I managed to respect him for his efforts.

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  6. One of the great public philosophers of our time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On a regular basis his reviews lept from discussion of the movie to discussion of life and the questions and problems that we face. His clarity of writing was combined with a clear and solid morality. He illuminated whatever corner of life he looked in to. He will be greatly missed.

  7. Very Sad by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    Absolutely my favourite film critic, he will be missed heavily. I didn't always agree with his reviews but there were almost always more well thought out and articulated than any other critic I can think of. I trusted his evaluation of movies and I think the world is lessened with his loss.

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  8. No reviewers worth reading, now. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are maybe 5 or 6 modern writers whose ability to think and penetrate issues I am in awe of, since Mark Twain, and he is one of them.

    Winston Churchill, George Will, and former radio talk host David Newman from WJR in Detroit.

    I guess that's just 4. :(

    All other reviewers are, to borrow one of Ebert's phrases, like little kids banging pots and pans on the floor of the kitchen.

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    1. Re:No reviewers worth reading, now. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I liked Harry Truman's description of the usual critic the best: "eight ulcer man on four ulcer pay."

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    2. Re:No reviewers worth reading, now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel this way as well. I quit watching movies a few years back, but every now and then I would run across an essay or a journal entry of his while searching for something else.

      I think there was one on atheism or Christianity that just made my jaw drop with amazement at how well he had framed his thoughts and presented them. And his statement if his beliefs was spot on too. Truly a wonderful and amazing man.

    3. Re:No reviewers worth reading, now. by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      The Filthy Critic is back and just as good as ever. And he's always right IMHO.

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    4. Re:No reviewers worth reading, now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that this one ?

      He also wrote I Do Not Fear Death in Sept. 2011. Wonderful piece.

  9. Epitaph by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    Two Thumbs Up for Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel.

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    1. Re:Epitaph by FlameWise · · Score: 2

      You know, I'm thinking, there's bad ways to end a movie, and good ones. And all movies have ends.

      He found a rather good one. I envy this.

    2. Re:Epitaph by houghi · · Score: 1

      They died both?

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    3. Re:Epitaph by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Er, Gene Siskel's been dead for some thirteen years now.

    4. Re:Epitaph by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      Yup.

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    5. Re:Epitaph by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Excuse me, fourteen.

    6. Re:Epitaph by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      And all movies have ends.

      What about "The Never Ending Story"?

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    7. Re:Epitaph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure -- I walked out of that one after 46 hours.

    8. Re:Epitaph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  10. His last review was the Host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I blame Stephanie Meyer. Likely a suicide after that piece of Sci-Fi shart.

  11. Don't mess. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking of Winston Churchill, Ebert is author of the biggest burn since Churchill. Rob Schneider took out an ad about a generic critic ragging on his Deuce Bigalow, or maybe that animal man movie, saying, "Who does his guy think he is, some Pulitzer Prize-winning movie critic?"

    Ebert then writes, "Well, speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize-winning movie critic, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks."

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    1. Re:Don't mess. by julian67 · · Score: 1

      What gave Ebert his ability to confront people like Schneider was the glass of Badger Milk he drank every morning.

    2. Re:Don't mess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What gave Ebert his ability to confront people like Schneider was the glass of Badger Milk he drank every morning.

      Liberally dosed with honey?

    3. Re:Don't mess. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      My favorite burning Ebert review was the one he did about The Human Centipede, which had the incredible ending "I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine."

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    4. Re:Don't mess. by a_mari_usque_ad_mare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He wrote an entire book about that incident. It is called ,"Your Movie Sucks." Most of the book is actually reviews of other really bad movies he wrote, but the Rob Schneider scenario was clearly the best part.

      It's a great read, and a great introduction to Ebert if you would like to know more about him.

      http://www.amazon.com/Your-Movie-Sucks-Roger-Ebert/dp/0740763660/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365120593&sr=8-1&keywords=your+movie+sucks

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    5. Re:Don't mess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He gave one Robin Williams movie one star and he received a letter telling him it was not that good.

    6. Re:Don't mess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deuce Bigalow was hilarious. Ebert was wrong.

  12. Nothing against Ebert but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need someone else to decide if I'm going to like or not like something. I know critics serve a purpose but I take in a small enough quantity of prepackaged Hollywood slop that I tend to just find out for myself instead of looking to public opinion for approval.

    1. Re:Nothing against Ebert but... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      I know this will come as a shock to many of you, but there once was a time before the Internets, when people had to decide, almost in a vacuum, whether a certain new movie was worth the money or not. Siskel and Ebert were one of the few reliable sources of decent information about new movies. And once you got to know them, you would know "Well, Gene liked it, but Roger didn't, (or whatever) so it probably is/isn't for me".

    2. Re:Nothing against Ebert but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watch Movie Bob's reviews on The Escapist quite a bit. There is more to a good movie review than a shallow score. He goes into various aspects of what movies represent and provide background knowledge to better enjoy the movie. Bob Chipman's work is gold as a reviewer and he stays busy with other projects, such as lecturing on aspects of geek culture.

  13. A huge loss by drewm1980 · · Score: 2

    It seems that http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/ is melting under the pressure of people trying to read one last Roger Ebert review. I spent over a decade at university in Urbana-Champaign, and the Roger Ebert film festival was a yearly pleasure. I have especially fond memories of Ebert interviewing Werner Herzog on stage after a showing of Invincible.

    1. Re:A huge loss by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Ebert should be given a helluva lot of credit for waving the flag for many years for Herzog, who really is one of the most daring and brilliant filmmakers in history. I suspect Werner will be grieving very much for him. If you want to read how just deeply Ebert admired Herzog, this is the open letter he wrote to Herzog upon hearing that Encounters At The End Of The World had been dedicated to him:

      http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071117/PEOPLE/71117002

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    2. Re:A huge loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am ashamed to say I was reading _just last night_ about this year's EbertFest and I thought to myself : "not this year, it's in a few weeks and it's too much trouble. I might go next year."

      If nothing else, his death has reinforced in me the idea that you have to take life's opportunities when they present themselves. Waiting is a fool's game.

    3. Re:A huge loss by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/ [suntimes.com] is melting under the pressure

      It seems to have literally crashed the blog site as well. Comments thread on Roger's last entry:

      Artur Artborg | April 4, 2013 12:47 PM | Reply
      Jody | April 4, 2013 12:49 PM | Reply
      Grant McGuire | April 4, 2013 12:57 PM | Reply
      Stephen | April 4, 2013 6:39 PM | Reply
      Jonny | April 4, 2013 6:40 PM | Reply
      The Dude in CA | April 4, 2013 6:40 PM | Reply
      Floyd | April 4, 2013 6:40 PM | Reply
      Jonathan | April 4, 2013 6:40 PM | Reply
      Jeff | April 4, 2013 6:41 PM | Reply
      Jim G. | April 4, 2013 6:41 PM | Reply
      Donna | April 4, 2013 6:42 PM | Reply
      Janet | April 4, 2013 6:42 PM | Reply

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  14. Steak & Shake by JeffElkins · · Score: 1

    He had a great love for the Steak and Shake hamburger chain, and wrote a lengthy essay about their food, available here:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/01/car_table_counter_or_takhomasa.html/

    This was written after his first surgery, when he could no longer take food orally. He recommended having the burger with mustard, ketchup and onion only, to better savor the meat. Great essay by a wonderful writer. Great burgers too. I always order a modified Ebert, leaving off the ketchup :)

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    1. Re:Steak & Shake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clicked on title... Ctrl+f steak

      Glad you're reppin'

      Death sucks :(

    2. Re:Steak & Shake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for sharing the link - you added an extra slash to the end, though.

      Very much enjoyed reading it. But I don't share his hate of In-n-Out. 'Course I've only tried that at Dallas, TX so maybe they do it better there.

      How sad it must have been writing that article knowing it was already too late to ever try it again.

  15. Old school criticism by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

    Something of a lost art in every genre, from restaurants to sports radio. The critics have become hyperbolic bomb-throwers because vitriol sells more papers and attracts more eyeballs. Second, he was a film connoisseur and enjoyed the art AND the craft of film making. I remember one review where he slammed the director for being lazy with fake snow and just dropping it in front of the lens!

    I worked my way through the AFI greatest list a few years back and I've gained a whole new appreciation for film and Ebert was one of the exemplars of how to watch and enjoy film. I believe this was his quote (paraphrased). You judge a movie by what it's trying to do and not against some universal standard.

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    1. Re:Old school criticism by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You judge a movie by what it's trying to do and not against some universal standard.

      This is why I liked him. Plus his writing was entertaining.

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  16. Re:FINALLY by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Hopefully, he used vaseline on you, jerk.

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  17. Finbarr Saunders by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1
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  18. Ebert was a demi-god. by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ebert had a plain common-man love for the movies, but he was, at the same time, a sophisticated critic.

    I'll miss him.

    1. Re:Ebert was a demi-god. by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      That was in fact his big contribution.

      Most people today don't realise what things were like back then. Movie reviews tended to be written in the same manner, and by the same types of people, as art criticim. We're talking about highbrow patrician types who looked upon their own work as its own kind of "art". (Gene Siskel being practically the prototype). This of course means that they tended to like highbrow art flics and dislike "common" entertainment. That made movie reviews nearly useless to your average Joe Schmoe.

  19. Re:FINALLY by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    ...I have to admit that was a pretty sick burn.

  20. First Siskel, now Ebert by kawabago · · Score: 2

    How many good journalists do we have to lose to cancer before we stop asking people to watch Hollywood carcinogens?

  21. Very sad news... and terrible ad placement. by kgoods · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Very sad news... and terrible ad placement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how that's suppose to be funny. He's dead, and there's an advertisement for a yellow shirt with the stay puft marhsmellow man and godzilla holding hands as they look upon a decimated city and hold hands.

      Are you saying Roger Ebert was a godzilla?

    2. Re:Very sad news... and terrible ad placement. by kgoods · · Score: 2

      Or.... it could have been the two "thumbs up" .... what? Too soon? I'm sure Roger would appreciate the humor. Or maybe I just got whooshed... yeah, probably more likely.

  22. One of two thumbs up worth more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    His was one of two "thumbs up" worth more than *all* the thumbs on FaceBook.

  23. One of my friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually wrote an open letter to him on his blog which after 2 weeks of not even his friends reading it, somehow landed on Ebert's desk leading to a twitter post about it and even an article on kotaku I believe it was. He still wasn't convinced videogames were art, but he did show respect for the points that were made regarding why it COULD be considered art.

    1. Re:One of my friends... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The fucker doesn't even play games. Why the hell would you even listen to his opinion on them? At least he actually watched movies. IMO, he was just throwing his weight around being mean and grumpy, then devolved into "full damage control mode" when folks called him on his ignorance. He was a fool in this regard, and I'd say that same mentality carried over into other aspects of his professional life as well.

    2. Re:One of my friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what his reasons were for saying that video games were not art?

      He had standards and he didn't bend to the popular notion that everything creative is 'art'. He held art to a higher standard.

      Saying video games aren't art wasn't an insult, it was a consequence of his definition of art. And if video games are going to be considered art that definition has to be refined. So be it.

      Would you give more more time to cheap and thoughtless praise than to considered criticism and commentary?

      He wasn't a fucker, he wasn't a fool, and you are thoughtless and rude to say so.

    3. Re:One of my friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really very honestly and very sadly miss him. And its not like that's normal for me, most times when a notable dies, it's sad. But this time it's much more personal. He spoke to you, unlike nearly every other writer out there. It was almost unique. In a funny way it's similar to what George Jr. projected, for a while at least: the image or impression of someone you could have a beer with and converse with. At the moment I can't name any other living writers that do that for me (though in truth I don't read enough). Dickens does it for me. Hemmingway, and Borges. Herzog is good, as is Kerat (Kerat isn't as immediate for me, though that's at least in part because he is from a somewhat dissimilar culture; sorry for droning on).

      But Ebert, too. He was that good. Though it's a cliche, with Ebert, I always knew he was interesting to read, but it's only after he's gone - and you know there's nothing more he will write - that you realize how much you relied on his work. It's very tragic.

  24. He did what he loved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I may not have always agreed with you, sir, but you did what you loved for the majority of your life. That's more that can be said for most of us.

    RIP.

  25. Well this sucks by gijoel · · Score: 1

    First Ian Banks has terminal cancer. Now Ebert dies.

  26. 'Eel, Foamy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody remember the National Lampoon comic strip take on At the Movies? They violently dismember each other. Hilarious shit. "You don't deserve a thumb!" The Fat Guy kicking the bucket made me think of all those NL comics, Hercules Amongst the North Americans etc. Shame to have lost both him and The Other Guy now.

  27. Form and content by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Insightful
    re "It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it."

    That's a great point. Form is separate from content. The point of a movie is not just its content, but also in the stylistic presentation form it uses to deliver that content. I've seen movies that had a nice "story" behind it but with poor execution of the plot by the actors or timing and editing of the scenes. I've also seen movies produced and directed by music video directors and by Michael Baye that are beautifully styled and paced and so well lit and with gorgeous sweeping camera movements that actually go with the underlying scene and with good music that punctuates and emphasizes the action but the content of the plot and the storyline is crap.
    .
    When both form and content deliver something beautiful, it's a wonderful movie. I like Ebert's side commentaries and I also like that he was part of some schlocky movie writing in the 1960s.
    .
    Ebert wrote the scripts for Who Killed Bambi?, a 1978 movie about the Sex Pistols that ultimately was not made because the financiers did not like what was in the script. Ebert's screenplay for the movie is on his blog. Bizarre.
    .
    He also wrote the for "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls," a movie for which he wrote the screenplay in 1969.

  28. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I first saw this I wondered what sort of demented hack could write such trash. Then I learned roger Ebert wrote it. So I decided that it was a work of genius.

    1. Re:Beyond the Valley of the Dolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AH! And there you have it, your comment is so true of our human community that its truth make my ears bleed. I await the coming apocalypse and the end to our blight on this solar system.

  29. An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by Loosifur · · Score: 1

    I'm a little surprised to see the outpouring for Roger Ebert, frankly. I never wished the man ill, and I really enjoyed his work as a critic. Let's remember that this is the same guy who said that video games could never be art, which is fine as it's his opinion, but it's just a little more myopic than I'd expect to see Slashdotters ignore. Still, a matter of opinion. However, when he immediately made cracks about the death of Ryan Dunn following his death, he fell to a level of tastelessness and cruelty that was absolutely unacceptable. It's hard to feel an excess of sympathy for the passing of someone who went out of his way to cast aspersions on the recently deceased.

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    1. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by JabberWokky · · Score: 2

      So you're against how he attacked somebody immediately following their death. I see. Tell me more about his -- in your words -- "tastelessness and cruelty" he demonstrated by doing so...

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    2. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, when he immediately made cracks about the death of Ryan Dunn following his death, he fell to a level of tastelessness and cruelty that was absolutely unacceptable.

      Ryan Dunn was an alcoholic faggot who couldn't drive worth a shit and killed
      his friend as a result of his own idiocy.

      And you are a worthless little cunt who whines about how someone
      "insulted" a worthless piece of shit like Ryan Dunn. You're a worthless
      piece of shit, faggot. So go to the nearest public restroom and find
      a floating turd and pick it out of the toilet and eat it.

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    3. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that reading comprehension is so poor on this site that you, JabberWokky, are currently rated higher than Loosifur.

      Loosifur's post was that it was tasteless and cruel to make cracks about a person immediately after his death, and he therefore, despite admiring Ebert's skill as a critic, feels less sympathy than he should. That's a well-reasoned argument, goes out of its way to point out that he was familiar with the person in question, and was certainly not in any way intended as humorous nor written in a cruel fashion. It was also not even derogatory about his death or manner thereof; it merely highlighted the connection between Ebert and speaking on death. It was, at worst, merely a comment on the man himself made at a time when you didn't want to hear it. It was, however, a quite proper critique of the man's behavior.

      Then you, long-time /. member JabberWokky, come along and cry "Hypocrisy!" This is apparently based solely on the content of his post and your lack of reading comprehension. You're even quite snarky about it - making "cracks", in fact - though not of course about anybody's death. For your conveinece, here is a summary of some of the finer points of the English language with which you appear to be unfamiliar:

      • "attacked somebody" is not at all the same thing as "made cracks about the death of [somebody] following his death".
      • Tastelessness, as a matter of taste, is a personal thing, however I see absolutely nothing cruel in pointing out that one does not feel more sympathetic toward somebody else than they should.
      • Note that Loosifur never claimed to be unsympathetic to the man's death, merely that he did not feel an excess of sympathy.
      • Excess: a greater amount than there should be, a wasteful amount, more than their should be.
      • Nothing in Loosifur's post states that to attack somebody - or even to crack jokes about their death - following their death is tasteless or cruel. Some people may feel that way, but he never stated it. Instead, he stated that when Ebert did so, he did so in a manner that was unacceptably tasteless and cruel. You apparently believe that Loosifur felt that the "attack" itself was tasteless and cruel.
      • One could certainly imagine cracking jokes which were tasteless but not cruel. The usual response to such things is merely "too soon" and nothing worse.
      • You'd have had a stronger argument if you'd chosen the "cast aspersions" sentence to target your sarcasm, but at least Loosifur targeted Ebert's behavior while still showing his resepct for the man in other areas... which is more than Ebert did, hence the fully appropriate casting of aspersions.
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    4. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      He lost me when he, like many celebrities these days, used his position to air his infantile political views instead of movie reviews. In particular, his over the top cheering of that despicable tub of lard Michael Moore, and even worse, cruelly mocking kids who were suspended from school for wearing an American flag on Cinco de Mayo. His reviews were all right, a bit on the lowbrow side. RIP, whatever.

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    5. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pennsylvania investigators concluded that Dunn was driving up to 140 miles per hour when he crashed. His blood alcohol content was .196, which is far higher than the legal limit of .08.

      This behaviour displays a wanton disregard for the life and safety of those around him. Would you bite your tongue in respectful silence when Patient Zero is freshly planted?

      From Snopes:

      Dugas appeared to move between denial that whatever he had could be transmitted sexually ("Of course I'm going to have sex. Nobody's proven to me that you can spread cancer"), depraved indifference to his partners' wellbeing ("It's their duty to protect themselves. They know what's going on out there. They've heard about this disease"), and a desire to take others with him ("I've got gay cancer. I'm going to die and so are you").

      In what way was Dunn's behaviour any better than Dugas? Was is the first time he ever drove over the speed limit? The first time he drove bombed out of his mind? The first time he combined being twice the legal limit and driving at twice the speed limit? Somehow I doubt it.

      Ebert's tweet was really aimed at the jackasses who knew about and enabled Dunn's behaviour and decided to tolerate it, not caring enough about public safety to have him arrested and jailed (which he certainly deserved), and not caring enough about Dunn himself to prevent his foreseeable death. As a former alcoholic himself, Ebert had some strong personal opinions about the behaviours of his fellow alcoholics and those around them, the same way a sex offender might be harsh in condemning another sex offender. In-group vitriol is 200 proof.

      What has it achieved this respectful biting of lips? Self-centered assholes like Dunn still put the public at risk after forty years of public awareness efforts. I would have been much happier with the outcome if Dunn had redeemed himself to "former asshole" by seeking treatment rather than killing himself.

      Somehow the polite grieving process and the social institution of denial has become joined at the hip. Ebert decided to fire a cap into this unholy union before the glue dried. As a result, every time someone criticizes Ebert for his tweet intended as true, the message behind his tweet is reopened for examination. We might even be saving lives here if the message finally sinks into the public consciousness that people behaving like Dunn aren't much better than people behaving like Dugas. Or is there a subtle hierarchy on acceptable ways to expose people to mortal danger without their consent? Not for me, there isn't.

      And who are we protecting by our polite silence? The people who either meekly or gutlessly enabled Dunn to continue his reckless behaviours? Well, guess what? Gutless sucks. And meek sucks, too. The respectful silence just serves to confirm in people's minds that they did the best they could, without forcing them to confront the public sentiment that it damn well wasn't good enough. The true enablers in this story? The phony friends who hung around and encouraged his outlandish behaviour because they found Dunn to be funny or entertaining, but didn't give a damn about his well being or the well being of the babies and children and parents and sisters and brother who shared the same highways with the drunken, hard-driving Jackass.

      If I had a family member who was a hard-living alcoholic and he hung out with a bunch of enabling carousers and high-functioning deadbeats who let him (or her) walk out of a pub shit-faced to hit the highway with death-wish testosterone or toxic depression, and someone of Ebert's status tweeted about it that "friends don't let friends drink and drive" my own reaction would have been an angry "Damn straight!"

      Or maybe I'm wrong about myself, and in my grief over my dead family member I'd be grateful for the social courtesy of respectful

    6. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Good comeback bro. You're one serious badass.

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    7. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's hard to feel an excess of sympathy for the passing of someone who went out of his way to cast aspersions on the recently deceased.

      It's hard to feel an excess of agreement with you when you're casting aspersions upon someone for telling the truth. There is no such thing as "too soon". Ebert said it best: "He drank, he drove, 2 people died." Drunk Drivers should be regarded the same way we regard patent trolls or physicians who overprescribe antibiotics: a scourge whose death we should, if not cheer, at least accept as an improvement in our environment, while feeling our sorrow at the other lives lost due to their selfishness. On one hand, we are all products of our environment. On the other hand, you have to act like free will exists, or the whole system shuts down.

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    8. Re:An entertaining, gifted critic. That's it. by JabberWokky · · Score: 1

      Then you, long-time /. member JabberWokky, come along and cry "Hypocrisy!" This is apparently based solely on the content of his post and your lack of reading comprehension.

      Actually, I didn't cry anything. I just found the message amusing, and replied with that mild amusement. That is all. If I twisted context (and I certainly shaved that quote down to within an picometer of context), it was purely for entertainment value. Lightweight fare, not really worth getting in such a tizzle over. I picture you foaming at the mouth, writing correction letters in a long feather pen to the Onion and Colbert Report every night. In this picture, you are wearing a long red sleeping cap and a monocle.

      If you're talking about issues of actual weight, I have no problem with somebody famous who has recently died being attacked. Even personally. I don't know them. Shall I illustrate? I bet he was really good at giving blowjobs right at the end there, what with not having a jaw and all. I wouldn't say that to his family or friends, of course, but this is not a forum where tastelessness is a necessarily bad thing (nor is it likely their family will visit). And by the voting, you'll note that a lighthearted reply is also appreciated by the people who visit Slashdot. I fear the voting on this comment might also demonstrate they like blowjob jokes, but that is the nature of dirty jokes: perpetually popular.

      You certainly took a fluff reply personally for some reason. And your tagline says you've found serenity...

      (Yes, that tagline comment was a joke. I note this lest you bullet point the Whedonverse to me in a long diatribe about how my minor joke about your tagline is factually incorrect. That was a joke, too. In fact, just print this out, highlight it all in yellow. The yellow bits are silliness.)

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  30. Goodbye old friend. by Nov8tr · · Score: 0

    I will miss him. I always did enjoy his reviews. He was more of the common man reviewer than his partner was. I'm 59 now and see too many friends and familiar faces disappearing. Goodbye and thank you for all the years of your service. My condolences to your family.

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  31. Great Writing made him a better critic by canadian_right · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not only did Mr. Ebert love movies, but he could WRITE. His reviews were not just excellent and insightful movie reviews, but generally good, to very good prose. This made reading his often lengthy reviews a delight, not a chore.

    Did you know Mr. Ebert was also a great fan of written SF? I did not until he recently wrote a guest column for Asimov's Science fiction. It was a warm, charming essay that showed off his writing skills in a whole new light for me who had only ever read his movie reviews.

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    1. Re:Great Writing made him a better critic by binarstu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only did Mr. Ebert love movies, but he could WRITE. His reviews were not just excellent and insightful movie reviews, but generally good, to very good prose. This made reading his often lengthy reviews a delight, not a chore.

      Exactly. When I'm curious about a film I've not yet watched, I almost always look for Ebert's review first. I also like reading his reviews after I've seen a movie -- even if I disagree with his conclusions, I feel like I learn something from his insightful and interesting commentary. It's really sad that he's no longer with us.

  32. Here's hoping that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Gene Shalit does the eulogy.

  33. Damn, Cancer, You Scary!!! by Roachie · · Score: 1

    Didn't he say yesterday something like: "Hey,I have cancer AGAIN... gonna take some time off, talk to ya soon."

    Then BOOM! he kicked-off the next day!!?

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  34. I for one could care less. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    This guy was a pompous idiot. Claiming books and movies were art, but videogames were not, and could never be. Dude had his head so far up his own ass that he couldnt accept any other form of media he didnt enjoy as artful. In what world does someone live that you can say that something like L.A Noire can never achieve the level of scary movie 4. Maybe im a cold hateful bastard, but i have no love with ignorant idiots so entrenched in their own ideals and times that they cannot accept new forms of media and entertainment. Let me know when Kojima dies, so i can devote 45 minutes to a cutscene of me shedding a single tear.

    1. Re:I for one could care less. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think L.A. Noire is a work of art? Hahahhahahah. Move out of your parents basement.

    2. Re:I for one could care less. by JBMcB · · Score: 2

      Maybe im a cold hateful bastard, but i have no love with ignorant idiots so entrenched in their own ideals and times that they cannot accept new forms of media and entertainment.

      Yes you are. Some people don't like the same things you do. Some people have different opinions than you. That's OK. It doesn't mean they hate you and it doesn't mean you have to hate them. Just relax and like what you like.

      I didn't agree with him on video games, either, and didn't agree with several of his movie reviews, but the man was a brilliant movie reviewer nonetheless.

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    3. Re:I for one could care less. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Oh i dont hate him. I just think he was an idiot. Having no love for someone and hating them are totally different.

    4. Re:I for one could care less. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So, because of maybe three or four articles out of the thousands that he wrote, you've decided he was an idiot?

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    5. Re:I for one could care less. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old often forget that times change and new things are always rising. It's easy to become mired in the old ways the longer you've been alive, as learning is hard and takes drive and energy.

    6. Re:I for one could care less. by dywolf · · Score: 2

      apparently you never actually read why he made that statement or held that opinion.

      it wasnt about how entertaining something is. that's not what or how he defined "art".

      if you actually listened to ebert he also considered very many books and movies to also "not be art". you must remember that he did view art in the old school way. people today think art is anything created. thus "entertainment" is a valid purpose for art. he didnt hold that view. he held a more traditional view that art should do more than just entertain because a monkey flinging poo can be entertaining, but it isnt art. he held the view that art should have some purpose, such as holding up a mirror to society, acknowledging things we'd rather not, or showing triumphs or defeats or other realities of the world, or simply to communicate an idea, a position.

      he essentially lumped videogames into that same category (purpose entertainment, no more) because of hte fundamental nature of the medium. and by and large, most video games have no purpose beyond entertainment. they provide a cheap, entertaining thrill of mowing down nazis, conquering planets, saving planets, revenge, etc. Only a few have tried to aspire to be more than entertaining.

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    7. Re:I for one could care less. by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      You're being too harsh but I find it unfortunate that he never got to understand video games. My guess is he never play much, if any games. If he took the time to learn the control and play a classic from start to finish like Zelda or something...

    8. Re:I for one could care less. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      If someone writes three or four articles about how they hate blacks and jews would you not consider them racist?

    9. Re:I for one could care less. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Oh i did. Apparently you didnt actually read what i said because i never mentioned entertainment. Many games are more than just mindless entertainment and provide rich stories that make you not only reflect on them later, but while you are playing the game. I also hold the view that art should have some purpose. And many videogames that i play have more meaning, and are more a reflection of society than most movies that come out. When someone sits there for 10 minutes deciding to do or not do something because the moral implications it will have on the in game world, i consider that art. When i almost cry because the young child i have kept safe for god knows how long will now be left alone in the world, i consider that art. When someone remains ignorant to new forms of media and instantly dismisses them without knowing what they are talking about, especially when that someone is a film critic that cherishes the artistic value in film and print media, i consider them an idiot.

    10. Re:I for one could care less. by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      If someone writes three or four articles about how they hate blacks and jews would you not consider them racist?

      I hate to answer a question with a question, but are you conflating the dislike of video games with racism?

      Linus Pauling was an absolute genius. He basically figured out how atoms bind together to form molecules. Incredibly important, fundamental research for just about every branch of science. He also thought taking huge doses of Vitamin C would cure *anything* And I mean *anything* - cancer, diabetes, the common cold, malaria, typhoid - anything.

      Just because he was a total quack in one area doesn't mean he was an absolute genius otherwise.

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    11. Re:I for one could care less. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      But we arent talking about otherwise. We are talking about his thoughts on media as art. More specifically media that conveys a message and meaning.

  35. Now giving god his review of his death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he's been given a sequel.

  36. "cutting edge technology"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, if we had cutting edge technology he wouldn't have gotten cancer in the first place.

  37. Video Games by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    If we make a video game about him, is it art?

    (Disclaimer: I like the guy, I just have a sense of black humor. And he's had numerous long-winded arguments why video games aren't art -- I don't concur.)

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  38. World will miss you, kid by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    RIP, Ebert. You and Siskel were the one place I could go for honesty.

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    1. Re:World will miss you, kid by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      kid? Are you like, 80 years old?

  39. USA = World? by the+agent+man · · Score: 0, Troll

    This idea that USA = World is really getting old. Yes, he was a great guy. I am sad he is gone but "arguably the world's most famous film critic"! What does that even mean? In how many of the 200 countries was he known? Are you following the international scene of film critics really closely and keeping score? Would it be really horrible to just say something like "arguably the USA's most famous film critic"

    1. Re:USA = World? by guantamanera · · Score: 1

      At least you got positive points with your coment. I didn't fare too well doing a similar coment, and I think I was nicer than you. I should not have posted so early when is dark in the rest of the world.

    2. Re:USA = World? by stenvar · · Score: 2

      Do you have any other candidates for "world's most famous film critic"?

    3. Re:USA = World? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      What is your favorite movie and where was it made?

      List the last 10 movies you saw, sort by country of origin (descending), and note which one comes up first.

    4. Re:USA = World? by guantamanera · · Score: 1

      My favourite movie is Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo. It was filmed in Spain and it was directed by the talian Sergio Leone. The USA title is The good, the bad and the ugly. I saw, Memoria de mis putas tristes form Mexico Heleno Brazil Frankenweenie USA The Hobit New Zealand Tengo ganas de ti Spain. Lincoln USA Masterplan argentina Tesis sobre un homicidio Argentina Ensayo de un crimen Mexico El secreto de sus ojos Argentina

    5. Re:USA = World? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That film's lead actors were all Americans. I'll agree it is one of the best movies ever made, but Leone clearly was making an international film. You're trying to make a movie starring Clint Eastwood, Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef, filmed in Spain with a lot of Spanish extras sound like an Italian film.

      Oh, and another Leone classic was Once Upon a Time in the West, again with most of the leads played by Americans.

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  40. Siskel & Ebert found my by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    two favorite movies for me.

    I hadn't heard of either The Right Stuff or The Dark City, but I stumbled upon their review somewhere. Both Siskel and Ebert thought The Right Stuff was by far the best movie of 1983 and should've won the Best Picture Oscar. So I watched it, and I agreed... it became my favorite.

    Then I saw the Dark City (much later), which Ebert thought was fantastic and his pick for the best picture of 1998. Siskel thought Ebert was out of his mind, he couldn't see what was so good about Dark City, but he was respectful in his rebuke. Anyways I saw it and I agreed with Ebert.

    I haven't really seen much of Ebert since Siskel died and that other guy took his place... but Siskel & Ebert always comes to mind even today whenever I see a movie review.

    1. Re:Siskel & Ebert found my by dywolf · · Score: 1

      i get goose bumps every time i see the the first few minutes of the right stuff.
      Ive seen it probably 50 times.
      still get them.

      favorite. movie. ever.

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  41. Once again, which one was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once again, which one was the fat one? I could never remember.

  42. What was his favorit curse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bite me.

    What? Too soon?

  43. Too much ass kissing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Roger Ebert was an asshole. He was a complete bastard towards Gene Siskel and there are many classic films in genre's we love that he slammed. Enough of this sycophantic ass kissing. The guy was a dick who slammed some absolutely classic movies despite his own rank incompetence at soft-porn screenwriting.

  44. black sperm of his vengeance by Boldizar · · Score: 1

    "'Ere this night does wane, you will drink the black sperm of my vengeance!" -- Ebert (with Russ Meyer) RIP

  45. Alas poor Ebert... by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone.

  46. Re:Fucking Faggotry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahaha, disregard both of my schizophrenic posts in this thread i suck cocks.