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H-1B Cap Reached Today; Didn't Get In? Too Bad

First time accepted submitter Dawn Kawamoto writes "Employers stampeding into the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service to get their H-1B petitions filed before the cap is reached are getting the door slammed in their face today. The cap was hit in near record time of 5 days, compared to the 10 weeks it took last year to have more than enough petitions to fulfill the combined cap of 85,000 statutory and advanced degree H-1B petitions. While U.S. tech workers scream that they're losing out on jobs as H-1B workers are hired, employers are countering that the talent pool is lacking and they need to increase the cap. Of course, Congress is wrangling in on this one as to whether it's time to raise the bar."

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  1. talent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    talent pool is lacking = we don't want to pay

    1. Re:talent! by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it has been a fairly interesting week. Let's see, got the jobs data right here, and it's a doozy: link

      Given those unemployment figures, it's kind of hard to argue that there is a lack of people in those fields seeking gainful employment. Oh, wait, I'm wrong; apparently, a large number of them have recently given up looking for work, as they simply couldn't find any, and thus are dropped from the count in the future (hurrah!).

      Personally, I can't wait until we see the past few months' employment figures readjusted, at some future date.

      But yeah, if you had to listen to the techs or business people on this one, the techs are probably telling it straight: they're being screwed. But that's alright, it's not like it's going to affect the security / whatever of our nation, as surely people will continue to enter into these great fields despite the now frequent hardships, right? Only no, it appears that a lot of programs seem to be having problems here. It warms the cockles of my heart to know that the US's CyberCommand will, in time, possibly be 100% foreign-born.

      Hey Congress, just keep doing what you've been doing. Fantastic job thus far, can't wait to see the results next quarter. Just know that a large, angry, and extremely vocal contingent of unemployed techs will certainly not spend their idle time trying to find ways to undermine you as you've undermined them. Nope, that'll never happen. Plus those are votes you can count on not getting on election day...not that it will matter with the kickbacks you will be earning for passing this crap...on the other hand, an untimely exposure of a scandal does tend to limit one's chances, and does cost a lot less. Price of a bought Senator? $5,000,000. Price of an Android phone? $300. Catching the good Senator making out with someone not his wife, and uploading it to YouTube? Priceless.

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    2. Re:talent! by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      talent pool is lacking = we don't want to pay

      So why not have a minimum salary for H1B employees? Increase with inflation every year of course.

      If an H1B is truly necessary because the talent is lacking, the presumably they'd be willing to pay. If it's because they only want to pay a foreigner $35k/yr for job with a market value of $70k/yr, then that's not what the H1B program is supposed to be about. Set the minimum at something like $80k/yr, and you'll be limiting it to folks who are really in high demand and the absolute in their field, otherwise you can hire an American.

      I mean, really, what talent is there that should pay less than $80k/yr that you really cannot find an American to hire for?

    3. Re:talent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (Microsoft, Intel, Infosys, and simila...

      When I see those assholes and others cry about the "lack of local talent" and see the out of work - willing and talented folks, I just shake my head and do what I have to. I have a 10 year old computer because I can't afford better. I have a 20 year old car because I can't afford better. I have student loans because I was told that if I "went up the food chain" and leave the low level jobs to overseas people the things would be better for me.

      I am sitting in a ton of student debt with no job prospects because I did what I was told was right - more education is better. NO, I don't have a PhD in Lit - almost as bad: MBA - I was hoping to get into tech mgt and be the PHB that actually knew about tech - ya know, the PHB that techies respected because I was there.

      Instead I'm told I was stupid for doing so. I was stupid for going back to school and I was a sucker.

      I am told that there's something wrong with me. I am told that I wouldn't be unemployed if I had the "skills".

      Really?

      Well folks, Java, C++,C,SQL, Windows 32/MFC.WPF,C#, Linux, Unix, OS/2 are all worthless skills! Because those are what I have.

      Wiling to have a book FedEx'ed from Amazon to cram to learn a new skill that the mgt decided to use after you were hired isn't worth anything.

      No, hiring mangers want you to know everything before hand.

      You know, I looked at current salaries and they're at about 70K for most higher level developers these days. Back in '99, those same developers were getting over 100K.

      Recently some friends of mine who are C++ guys jumped on jobs that paid 60K+ here in Metro Atl. They were making almost 100K at their previous job. But with all these H1Bs and others being imported, pay has been depressed and they got bills to pay - like student loans for that BSCS they paid through the nose for so that they could have job security.

      And in the meantime, Bill gates and Mark Fucker - Zuckerberg are begging kids to learn programming.

      I'm beginning to understand why people have become revolutionaries and followed some asshole who screwed everyone over after they took power - like Castro.

      Please excuse the grammar and spelling errors: I'm in a rage.

  2. They're not who you think by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From NPR, a few days ago. Why is Congress supporting this (other than the obvious answer, campaign contributions)?

    If you scroll through the government's visa data, you notice something surprising. The biggest employer of foreign tech workers is not Microsoft â" not by a long shot. Nor is it Google, Facebook or any other name-brand tech company. The biggest users of H-1Bs are consulting companies, or as Ron Hira calls them, "offshore-outsourcing firms."

    For the past decade, he's been studying how consulting firms use temporary work visas to help American companies cut costs. He says they use the visas to supply cheaper workers here, but also to smooth the transfer of American jobs to information-technology centers overseas. "What these firms have done is exploit the loopholes in the H-1B program to bring in on-site workers to learn the jobs [of] the Americans to then ship it back offshore," he says. "And also to bring in on-site workers who are cheaper on the H-1B and undercut American workers right here."

    The biggest user of H-1B last year was Cognizant, a firm based in New Jersey. The company got 9,000 new visas. Following close behind were Infosys, Wipro and Tata â'â' all Indian firms.

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  3. Re:Both opinions are true by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "In nearly every other case a foreign coder is a better match for the employer."

    In nearly every other case a foreign coder is a better match for the cheap ass that wants to give himself a bonus for having higher profit margins because he paid less wages.
    There fixed that for you.

  4. H!B is About Off-Shoring by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 10 largest users of H1B are off-shoring contract-houses. Last year, those 10 off-shoring companies claimed 40,000 of the 85,000 available H1B visas.

    The way it works is that they low-bid on some project, bring in their people on H1B get them trained up and then send them back home to work on the same project.

    Citation: Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? It's Not Who You Might Think

    All the PR about H1B says that we have a skills-shortage here, but if that is true, then H1B is contributing to the skills shortage rather than fixing it. Most of what is wrong with H1B could be fixed if the politicians actions matched their rhetoric - instead of being an unofficial dual-purpose immigration visa that typically expires just months before the immigrant clears all the paperwork for an green-card, make it a fast-track immigrant only visa - everybody on an H1B is guaranteed a green-card within just one year of residency. That way instead of being a brain-drain out of the US, we would be sucking in the (supposedly) higher-qualified foreign candidates to become permanent contributing members of US society.

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  5. Interesting- no jobs, but no h1b's by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jobs report today said no jobs being created.
    Yet we are hiring many h1b's.
    Meanwhile, many of our 30 year olds are suicidal over a combination of unforgivable debt and no jobs.

    Quite a disconnect.

    I think it's time to put a tariff on offshored/outsourced jobs- including h1b's.

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  6. Am I the only one not scared of Indian workers? by t0qer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just scrolling through the +5 comments, I see a ton of xenophobia...

    Can't find an entry level IT job? Where are you? Arkansas? Here in silicon valley, we're experiencing another surge in hiring. I'm pretty low on the skillset, so whenever I get myself back into IT, I consider the economy to be doing well. Case in point... Company I work for. We've been losing a ton of local talent to google who's been on a hiring binge. When a small shop like ours (120 or so employees) can afford to pay great salaries, but we lose out to name brands like google, we have to turn to H1B.

    And for the H1B worker, life isn't all cherries and apple pie. Case in point, this big ass march from immigration voice.
    http://imgur.com/YKxR6NG

    See the white guy with pelican case in tow? That's me.

    Let's say you're here from India on H1B and you have a family emergency. You have to go home. So many H1B's are scared to go home, because when they try to return more often than not, they're denied re-entry into the country. I haven't met a single H1B that wouldn't LOVE to be a US citizen, but instead we give them a non-citizen status as an H1B that gives them basically no rights as a US citizen.

    I think we should just trash H1B altogether, and allow anyone of decent education (BA or BS) come live here, become a citizen, and pay taxes.

    As slashdotters, we shouldn't hate on the H1B people. They are not the problem. It's our policy, the very creation of H1B to sidestep proper citizenship that is.

  7. If shortage == true then pay = pay + 1 by blue9steel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the shortage is so terrible why aren't we seeing tons of stories talking about exploding pay rates and people hopping from company to company because of ridiculous job offers? Oh that's right, it's because there is no shortage of talent, just an unwillingness for them to pay the market rate.

  8. You are right! And a woman shortage, too!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My mother tells me that I am sooo handsome, intelligent, and just wonderful. She asks, "Why are you still single at 47?!"

    I tell her, "Mom. There just isn't any adequate women for me!"

    She says," You're 5'7", 200 lbs, with enough hair on your head. What's the issue!"

    I say,"Mom. There isn't any 5' 10" blond haired, 25 year old, MDs with PhD in Particle Physics, with big tits, who love giving blow jobs on the first date, and great legs out there! Women are so pathetic these days!!"

    My mother agrees with me!

    I'm also an IT hiring manager BTW.