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Hatebase Tries To Scan For Precursors of Genocide In Language

An anonymous reader writes "Hatebase, a new crowdsourced database of multilingual hate speech from The Sentinel Project, is an attempt to create a repository of words and phrases that researchers can use to detect the early stages of genocide."

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  1. Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.

    The "crowd" will include activists for one (or more) sides of contentious political disputes, who will feed the database with typical word choices of their enemies, in the hope of branding them as potential genocide perpetrators. The result will be a produce far more false positives than true ones (if it produces any of the latter at all).

    Indeed, the very phrase "hate speech" is such a faction-specific term. It is used by the US left wing to attempt to suppress politically incorrect free speech - especially politicall speech - of those with whom they disagree.

    For an example of what I'm talking about, look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's pronouncements - including especially their advice to law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security that displaying bumper stickers supporting Ron Paul during the presidential primary, or any of a number of other pro-Constitution or Tea Party political position messages, was a sign that the driver was a terrorist.

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  2. China-Friendly by caiocaiocaio · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) They are missing most Chinese-language racial slurs, and are apparently not searching for Chinese characters. I think the results would be predominantly Chinese otherwise. I mean, how could they miss "waiguolao"? In China, hearing that word was my red flag to get indoors or to a cop as soon as possible. 2) I could find you literally thousands of websites calling for genocide in China (either against resident minority groups or towards immigrants in China) which don't use any ethnic slurs. Most of the ethnic slurs in China are condescending more than hateful (except those directed at the Japanese), and using more neutral terminology gives pro-genocide Chinese an air of legitimacy. I can remember when "nanlaowai", for example, was quite a popular blog, but their didn't use any racial slurs in spite of the constant demands for the ethnic purification of China. Chalk it up to cultural difference I guess.

  3. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.

    I rather think this will be used to weed out political dissent among the population.

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  4. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 5, Informative
    The parent was right. Why do you think the Left and leftist media completely ignore the genocides happening *today*. These are happening and you are completely unaware of them. Why? because the Left don't want you to know. If you care to look you can see:
    • The Islamic genocide against Assyrian Christians in Iraq. Most Assyrians have fled and the rest have been killed. Don't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq. It happened under Saddam. Now under democracy (as in, "mob rule") the pace has accelerated, but the motivation is the same. Sura 9:5 "The Verse of the Sword". See
      http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
      Did you know this?
    • The Sudanese Islamist genocide against animist and Christian Southern Sudanese. Jihadi raids still occur and non-Muslims are taken as *slaves* (as permitted under Sharia). This is happening *today*. See the testimony of Simon Deng (a former slave).
    • The call for genocide against Jews, as commanded by the Qur'an. See the following article for all the reasons the Qur'an and Palestinians give for killing Jews based on *mainstream* Islamic doctrine: http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=584
      Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
    • The expulsion, killing, and denial of rights to Serbs in northern Kosovo by Albanian Muslims. This is happening today. Did you know that?
    • The genocides between Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, and the Sunni+Shia attacks on more peaceful Sufis. This is happening *today* in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey (against Kurds), Pakistan as Islamic sect battles Islamic sect (with the aim of expelling the "apostate" sects): See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
      particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
    • We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").
    • Then we have the genocides soon to come. The persecution and subjugation of Christian Copts in Egypt. Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod the life of Copts is going from bad (as dhimmis) to worse. Bad stuff is happening to the Copts *every day*. And the media and leftist "human rights" organizations are mostly silent (with a few exceptions). Did you know all the bad stuff happening to Copts today? http://www.amnes
  5. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not in the US, so maybe I'm missing some context here, but...

    How on earth are either of the links you've just posted examples of hate speech? The first is a line on the abortion debate that we've seen many times over the years. I'm not going to pick sides in that one; but if you approach the debate (as some people do) with the starting point that foes "life begins at conception" then abortion is infanticide. I think a lot of the lack of civility around that particular debate stems from the fact that neither side recognises just how high the stakes feel for the other side in it.

    The second link is a fairly silly take on the gun control debate that somehow slides into an odd reductio ab absurdum take on the gay marriage debate. But again, incoherent though it is, is it really hate speech?

    If somebody says "All members of (ethnic group x/social group y) are scum! Let's (kill them/throw them out of our country/deprive them of their property rights)" then that feels like hate speech. That's a hell of a long way from either of the examples you link to.

    As a test, let's take an example from a left-wing perspective of somebody linking a (generally supported - the UK public consistently backs a tougher line on welfare in polls) Government policy to murder. In this case, it's the murder of the disabled rather than the infanticide, but I think that's still pretty emotive. So: from the UK's Guardian newspaper. Is that hate speech?

    If you answer "yes", at least you're consistent. If your answer is no, then it looks more like you're just demonstrating totalitarian instincts to suppress speech that goes against your own values.