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Hatebase Tries To Scan For Precursors of Genocide In Language
An anonymous reader writes "Hatebase, a new crowdsourced database of multilingual hate speech from The Sentinel Project, is an attempt to create a repository of words and phrases that researchers can use to detect the early stages of genocide."
My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.
The "crowd" will include activists for one (or more) sides of contentious political disputes, who will feed the database with typical word choices of their enemies, in the hope of branding them as potential genocide perpetrators. The result will be a produce far more false positives than true ones (if it produces any of the latter at all).
Indeed, the very phrase "hate speech" is such a faction-specific term. It is used by the US left wing to attempt to suppress politically incorrect free speech - especially politicall speech - of those with whom they disagree.
For an example of what I'm talking about, look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's pronouncements - including especially their advice to law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security that displaying bumper stickers supporting Ron Paul during the presidential primary, or any of a number of other pro-Constitution or Tea Party political position messages, was a sign that the driver was a terrorist.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Now instead of just laws requiring data retention to prevent child pornography, we can now also use genocide prevention as an excuse. And then of course just use it to go after copyright infringers.
If you want to learn about genocide speech, go to stormfront.org, there's no need to build a new database when somebody has already created one for you.
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How many picohitlers is that?
Precrime!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Sweet. We finally reached the point where we're just looking for thought crimes.
From hatebase.org:
"Language-based classification, or symbolization, is one of a handful of quantifiable steps toward genocide.
To support Hatebase, please contribute to our database, either by adding vocabulary or by logging sightings and citations.
My submission:
Language: Beltwayspeak
Vocabulary: "senior operational leader", "enemy belligerent", "imminent threat", "organized armed groups"
Source: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
Set your phasers on "funky"!
1) They are missing most Chinese-language racial slurs, and are apparently not searching for Chinese characters. I think the results would be predominantly Chinese otherwise. I mean, how could they miss "waiguolao"? In China, hearing that word was my red flag to get indoors or to a cop as soon as possible. 2) I could find you literally thousands of websites calling for genocide in China (either against resident minority groups or towards immigrants in China) which don't use any ethnic slurs. Most of the ethnic slurs in China are condescending more than hateful (except those directed at the Japanese), and using more neutral terminology gives pro-genocide Chinese an air of legitimacy. I can remember when "nanlaowai", for example, was quite a popular blog, but their didn't use any racial slurs in spite of the constant demands for the ethnic purification of China. Chalk it up to cultural difference I guess.
I read that as "hatebook".
Where you 'enemy' people instead of 'friend' them...
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Oh, calm down.
This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment. No one is planning to use it to pass restrictive laws. It's just useful for people who are involved in a country, but are not fluent speakers of $foo or involved in the right subcultures, to know that a certain word has now acquired a negative connotation.
Maybe those people should butt out, sure, but you're jumping the gun a bit, here. If they could force everyone to use ``political correct speeches", they wouldn't need this app in the first place.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.
I rather think this will be used to weed out political dissent among the population.
Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
Here is a FTFY (aka fixed-that-for-you) example. I will now conjugate the following:
No, they do not believe in the true concept of FREE speech - their only aim is to force everyone in using political correct speeches
With the FTFY conjugation which takes ownership of all aspects of society by turning all third person plural forms into first person plural forms that quote becomes:
No, we do not believe in the true concept of FREE speech - our only aim is to force everyone in using political correct speeches (sic)
My point is that "they" are not the problem. My point is that "we" are the problem. Every last fallible one of us can be a problem or a solution. The difference is often a matter of how compassionate we are combined with how much we are able to take personal responsibility for problems. Even (maybe especially?) the problems which seem to be caused by other people.
While I may be liberal and you may be conservative, the reality is that our society is comprised of both of us and we are both liberal and conservative. We are all the things we which are. By treating the problem as "our" problem instead of "their" problem we can approach the solution with realism and healing, instead of idealism and revenge.
Of course we could, instead, go on blaming other people, but look where that has gotten us so far . . .
This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment.
In case some of you were wondering about the acronym. That becomes:
This is the same as any natural language processing crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment.
To take the conjugation one step further it becomes:
This shit be the same shit as any goddamn shit where we get other motherfuckers to do the fucking dirty work of working out when shit-talkers, shit-talking in some other fucking language, be talking shit is a way that means that those fuckwits mean to start some shit.
Of course, sometimes you can take conjugation a bit too far.
I'm with you. Haterbase would be a much cooler name.
This sounds a bit off to me. Statistical NLP needs large amounts of data. How many data points do they have that can reliably be labelled "precursor of genocide" vs "no precursor of genocide"? There haven't been that many genocides, is it? And as the article says: "hate speech isn't in short supply"...
Just read the part about the 8 stages of genocide of this so-called "Genocide Watch" ( http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/8stagesofgenocide.html )
Unfortunately they focus mainly on religious and ethnic hatred, which doesn't really account for some of the biggest genocides of the 20th century like in Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's USSR and Mao's China, They do mention Pol Pot a couple of times, for the "blue ribbon" symbolism and the "Denial" stage, but miss the root of the problem. Their view is shallow at best, IMO.
It is fashionable to focus almost exclusively on race, religion and nationalism, but ironically, the biggest killings in the past century came from ideologies aiming to unite mankind beyond those "hate" barriers.
"Genocide Watch" would have probably missed those "early stages" of Communism...
The basis for this appears to be pure speculation. There is no actual data (big or otherwise) showing the validity of the assumptions on which this is based.
Always looking for new ways to feel morally superior and lecture others. 'You don't say this', 'you don't say that'. Everyone says that? No negative connotation? Who cares? We say it is discriminating and if you don't follow us, you are a racist. Fortunately those cannot read thoughts, else they would tell you what to think and what not to think.
Eradicate ALL those with precursors for perpetrating Genocide!
Precursors to genocide. hyperbole much? "Timmys blog sure is strange, seems like he might be on the road to wiping out an entire race of people"
The problem with Minority Report is they were arresting them without knowing if they actually would have committed the crime or not. Getting upset over arrests of innocent people isn't a slashdot thing, it's a world thing.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I think you just proved his point. You are doing exactly that, you are using this as fodder for political infighting. You don't like it so you label it as hate speech. Does that mean we treat it the same way Europe treats it? Somebody makes an anti-Semitic comment on twitter, so France wants to put them in jail?
Anyways, yes they both do it. 10 seconds of google and I found something that tops yours: Obama makes fun of disabled people:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/03/president-ob-15-3/
You're one of those people who I commonly rail against when I say we need to stop treating the election like we're rival football teams. Quite possibly one of the ones I rail against for blind voting.
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
Did you know this?
Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
I'm not in the US, so maybe I'm missing some context here, but...
How on earth are either of the links you've just posted examples of hate speech? The first is a line on the abortion debate that we've seen many times over the years. I'm not going to pick sides in that one; but if you approach the debate (as some people do) with the starting point that foes "life begins at conception" then abortion is infanticide. I think a lot of the lack of civility around that particular debate stems from the fact that neither side recognises just how high the stakes feel for the other side in it.
The second link is a fairly silly take on the gun control debate that somehow slides into an odd reductio ab absurdum take on the gay marriage debate. But again, incoherent though it is, is it really hate speech?
If somebody says "All members of (ethnic group x/social group y) are scum! Let's (kill them/throw them out of our country/deprive them of their property rights)" then that feels like hate speech. That's a hell of a long way from either of the examples you link to.
As a test, let's take an example from a left-wing perspective of somebody linking a (generally supported - the UK public consistently backs a tougher line on welfare in polls) Government policy to murder. In this case, it's the murder of the disabled rather than the infanticide, but I think that's still pretty emotive. So: from the UK's Guardian newspaper. Is that hate speech?
If you answer "yes", at least you're consistent. If your answer is no, then it looks more like you're just demonstrating totalitarian instincts to suppress speech that goes against your own values.
we can approach the solution with realism and healing, instead of idealism and revenge
Realism/Healing vs. Idealism/Revenge
You should write speeches for politicians. This is an excellent false dichotomy. While I'm also a liberal, I'm hesitant to label myself as such because all too often the term is used to indicate that one is a member of the PC-Police, such as yourself. If there was a Ministry of Truth you'd be a great writer for them. It's sad that the flamebait you responded to has more truth in it than your attempt to rationalize political correctness -- oh, I'm sorry, your attempt to approach the 'problem' with realism and healing.
Save your bullshit for your Sociology class. Fuck your inclusiveness, I'm an individual.
Maybe I missed the point. I apologize if your post is a tongue-in-cheek. Now that I think about it, it's so absurd I really hope so. Of course, it's also the type of thing that Sociology professors say with a straight face.
Ha, only 729 ethnic or national slurs?
Come on, even I could do better than that :-)
The programming seems interesting too: non ascii characters in the Search box will break the site.
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Yeah dude. Political scientists don't think like that and tend to be fairly serious minded men. If activists are putting in bogus data, its going to stick out like a sore thumb.
This seems to be more like some of the research google was doing spotting emerging trends via language use.
Go read the stuff about the 8 stage genocide model and specifically on the 'symbolization' phase. I suspect its more about looking for trends like where a population for instance stops saying "jews" and starts saying "kikes" or whatever, whith the observation that a population is heading towards the crucial dehumanization phase needed to allow people to sleep at night whilst committing genocide.
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I wonder if there is any hate term that includes the phrase " DROP TABLE Submissions;-- " .....
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Almost right.
The Tea Party *wishes* that it were a terrorist org.
Congratulations on falling hook, line and sinker for the "one side is out making grandiose statements which aren't true and used for political disputes" as pointed out in the above post. While you're at it, you should really pay attention to exactly who's pushing that narrative.
Om, nomnomnom...
While precursors of genocide may have been detected in some of my posts, I submit that careful measurements of the skulls of the hatebase designers reveal that they are pathological liars, according to the long established science of phrenology.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
"waiguolao" definitely has a negative tone to it, and no it cannot be interpreted as "foreign elder". "waiguo" is "foreign country", you got this correct; but here "lao" is not the same Chinese character for "old/elder", it has ren (person) radical and it's a slur for a group of people. I think you confused it with "laowai", which is considered a neutral word to describe a foreigner by Chinese but not so much by the foreigners themselves.
While I may be liberal and you may be conservative..
You are not a classical liberal, which is his point.
The whole modern liberals and conservatives idea is a false dichotomy, because the former is about social liberalism via the theft of freedom while the later is about social conservatism via the theft of freedom.
When you vote for the lesser of two evils you get ever increasing evil. Both will enslave you to their agenda.
"His name was James Damore."
I'm curious what search terms you used. I just read the article you linked, and I would argue that the article is evidence *against* your point rather than for.
Firstly, it's from 4 years ago. The parent was talking about how stuff is said by republicans continually, and pointed out something from last week.
Secondly, the president reached out by phone to the head of the special olympics, profusely apologizing for the comments. Unless you can point to a more recent article where Obama, or any other Democrat, says something else disparaging then to me this means the comments was a one-time gaff and that the lesson was well learned.
I'm reminded of another discussion where someone pointed out how Democrats like, because one particular Democrat was discussed in a "false truth" article on politifact. However, when you start looking at the sum total of "false truth" articles on politifacts, Republicans outnumber Democrats by a pretty large ratio.
I used to think there was no difference between the Republicans and Democrats apart from who they pander to. But now I think that, while the Democrats arn't the 'good guys', they're the overwhelming lesser of two evils.
BTW, I don't expect anyone to get the "Mindless" thing without having studied Zen. (In 15+ years, not many have, so you're in good company.)
Sounds like you need a few more decades of it, assuming it helps at all in your situation.
the Tea Partiers *wish* they were brave and fanatical enough to be terrorists, but they're too cowardly and self-centred either to put up, or to shut up.
You're at the point where you're so divergent from reality that you're almost not even wrong. At least you still use labels that can be matched with real world things. There's no "wish" like that in the real world.
And while I understand the psychological need of political rivals to talk trash about the Tea Party movement, I don't understand at all the need to just make up wild shit. What is it about fiscal responsibility, honoring the Constitution (for those who care, a real "social contract"), and reduction in government power that brings out such "hate speech" to use the term of the day?
Also, while dismissing people's religious beliefs as "pychopathy" is perfectly valid in some contexts, it is not very smart at all in others.
Which contexts apply here? It looks to me like we're talking about the religious beliefs of "terrorists". The people who can on occasion be conned into believing that killing someone for the mere act of not sharing exactly to the last iota your beliefs, allows you to go to a heaven where there are X number of virgins to wait on your every need?
You mean those psychopaths? Sure, if they have my testicles hooked up to a battery or my neck on the chopping block, I would, no doubt, try to find a more diplomatic term for it, but that context doesn't apply here.
I don't agree with Al-Qaeda's objectives
This is the strongest criticism you can muster? Why do you disagree? Not a high enough body count? They could have better target selection? Because they commit great evil for crazy ends?
I find it interesting how you can make up outrageous stuff (no doubt with a sneer) about one group whose most vile crime is merely to disagree with you and then pussy-foot around a second group which deliberately targets and kills innocents on a regular basis. Even the US military doesn't do that and they've killed a lot of innocents over the years.
This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment. No one is planning to use it to pass restrictive laws. It's just useful for people who are involved in a country, but are not fluent speakers of $foo or involved in the right subcultures, to know that a certain word has now acquired a negative connotation.
Except that it's not going to work. Show me an NLP system that correctly distinguishes statements from quotations and references. You'd need an AI-complete system to divine the actual state of mind of the speaker. Or does the "crowdsourcing" part mean that there are going to be scores of people checking and rechecking flagged texts?
Ezekiel 23:20
Prove it.
Speaking of "stupid moron",
All of the American left, right, center, up, and down supported the use of Islam, Christianity, and religious identity in general as a weapon against the Soviets. Islam was not as uniformly hostile and violent back then as it is today, although the CIA made awful choices of which Muslims to partner with.
The Russians began a large-scale campaign of terrorist funding in 1964. The reason so many Islamic terrorist organizations speak the language of anti-American postcolonialism is because their founders learned it at Patrice Lumumba University.
It is largely the left today that allies with the Islamic right wing. Look at what happened to Michelle Bachmann when she reasonably suggested that people in sensitive wartime posts with possible Muslim Brotherhood connections should be vetted; not fired, not punished, but simply vetted. She was mocked and condemned for such a thing, and called a racist. Look at what happened to Amnesty International's Gita Saghal when she protested Amnesty's alliance with the Taliban; she was fired and Amnesty shut down its womens' rights division so that no more uppity women would interfere with the great deal Amnesty has with the Taliban. Look at what happened to Eric Allen Bell when he criticized the website Loonwatch as "a terrorist spin control network"; the Daily Kos banned him. Look at what happens whenever anybody references the Muslim Brotherhood or the Hamas charter in the Guardian's comments section; their post is immediately deleted.
The right has its own alliances with Islamic terrorism. During the 1990s, it was Republicans who got into the news for praising the Taliban. Grover Norquist partnered with Abdulrahman Alamoudi to raise terrorist funds for George W. Bush. More recently, within the past few weeks, the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) banned Jihad Watch founder Robert Spencer from receiving an award for fear that he might criticize Norquist or another Republican fundraiser, Suhail Khan.
This discussion is not about Democrats or Republicans, it is not about the worker and the capitalist, it is not about the rich and the poor. It is about the double standard of modern society's tolerance of hate speech and actual genocide if done in the name of Islam, and the triple standard of ostracizing anybody who opposes the hate speech and genocide.
The question is in the air as to whether Hatebase will end up like the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, which has made the decision not to report hate speech by Muslims in its reports on hate speech in the United States. Their excuse is (paraphrasing) "the Jews do that", and evidently the SPLC does not want to risk being associated with the Jews.
Will people speak up or remain silent?