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Anonymous' "OpIsrael" Has Little Impact
An anonymous reader writes "The Times Of Israel and AlArabiya.net report that the planned and announced April 7th attack by Anonymous failed to frustrate the Israeli government or its citizens. The country's national Cyber Bureau quipped 'So far it is as was expected, there is hardly any real damage,' Ben Yisrael said. 'Anonymous doesn't have the skills to damage the country's vital infrastructure. And if that was its intention, then it wouldn't have announced the time of attack. It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."
"It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."
In other words, you're saying they won...
Well done.
I don't see why Anonymous would have succeeded where morenskilled groups in China and Russia have failed.
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Israel doesn't have pizza delivery.
"Anonymous" claims to be acting against Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. Did they consult with any Palestinians about this attack? Or do they share the official Israeli point of view, that Palestinians are not worthy of their own point of view?
If this were true, then why would the Israeli propaganda machine be downplaying the effectiveness of the attacks? Instead, you'd expect them to be wailing about the terrible carnage about to be unleashed on society by Anonymous, unless their "cyber-warrior" budgets are immediately increased and a slew of new controls imposed on the internet --- not saying that already existing infrastructure is already 100% effective at preventing real damage.
Whoever dropped the ball on the title should be sacked. I mean, you seriously missed the opportunity for "Anonymous \"OpIsrael\" Is Not Very Effective"??
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It is the new Al-CIAda, designed to justify the elimination of the free internet as we once knew it.
Yeah, so you don't know many twenty-something, single, idealistic computer geeks. If they're CIA, the CIA is pretty silly. I suppose that doesn't rule out the possibility of useful idiots, but the idea that the bulk of Anonymous is secret agents appears to be highly unlikely.
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If this were true, then why would the Israeli propaganda machine be downplaying the effectiveness of the attacks? Instead, you'd expect them to be wailing about the terrible carnage about to be unleashed on society by Anonymous, unless their "cyber-warrior" budgets are immediately increased and a slew of new controls imposed on the internet --- not saying that already existing infrastructure is already 100% effective at preventing real damage.
...And you clearly don't know enough about Israel or what it is like to live in constant fear.
The last thing they want is to alarm their people.
And they seem to pull it off quite well, look it up. Safest airports in the world, 0 body scanners. Just well trained people.
AND the majority of the country has gone through the required 3 years of military training, so their population does not need to be treated like the sheep that the US population is treated as
Good point but the possibilities are varied. It might be that the US or some other state wants to throw money at cyberwar prevention (a bogus issue most of the time), so Israeli contractors have one succesfully thwarted attack in their track record.
Or OTOH Israel has some infrastructure problems and that they fake an Anonymous attack to deter other from trying the same.
After all, everybody can impersonate Anonymous.
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I doubt that a few defaced web sites or a barely-noticeable DDoS would concern the IDF or Mossad. Anonymous are like a bunch of virtually-unnoticeable gnats; Israel has real security concerns like rockets from Gaza and instability in Syria to worry about.
I'm absolutely certain that the US wants to throw money at the boogeyman of cyberwar --- however, they've already got a propaganda line. Look at all the fear-mongering in the media about Chinese hacking; this is the credible enemy of which we are supposed to be terrified. As for deterring a real anonymous attack against vulnerable infrastructure by posing as anonymous --- this seems overly risky, based on the way anonymous functions. Indeed, anyone can pose as anonymous, by announcing upcoming attack plans through the internet forums where anonymous hangs out. If the CIA/Mossad tried to rally a failed attack in this way, there would be far too much risk of inciting the "real" anonymous to show up in typical independent, uncoordinated style and "help" the attack to find the real vulnerable targets.
[Cyber Bureau bureaucrat] Ben Yisrael said. 'Anonymous doesn't have the skills to damage the country's vital infrastructure. And if that was its intention, then it wouldn't have announced the time of attack. It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."
On the one hand, a challenge response...on the other hand, a political response designed to defuse.
I guess they're soliciting a mixed response to their response.
Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
(If this were true) it's about priorities. Sure they would want Anonymous to look strong, but certainly not stronger than Israel.
Even the tiniest tin-pot dictatorships can have noisy propaganda machines (or do you think info from North Korea's state media is truthful?); even larger corporations can flood the media with propaganda. And the Israeli government's propaganda is given free amplification by the US, which makes it by far the most pervasive voice in shaping perceptions about everything that goes on in Israel's section of the world.
They very easily could say that externally while internally screaming. Given the amount of funding of their country that comes from the US government, they don't have to tell the public anything at all to get an increase in funding. They've had a blank check from the US for over 50 years.
As bad as you outed yourself on slashdot Jeremiah Cornelius http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 pasting that crap in hundreds of posts on slashdot for all of last month by anonymous submissions but slipping up on that one, giving away it was you doing it annoying the rest of us?
"After all, everybody can impersonate Anonymous."
Really? Can I be anonymous? I don't have to get someone's permission first? I don't need to apply for a permit, or a license? That's just awesome!
Oh - wait - What about that "trusted computing" crap? And government tracking? And, corporate tracking? And, don't forget the proposed laws that would have government and corporations sharing all that tracking information.
Maybe only the computer savvy minorities can be anonymous. Of the people that I know, I really don't think any of them see a real need for anonymity. And, only one of them seems to understand the mechanics of maintaining anonymity. For that matter, I understand a need for anonymity, and I pretty much understand the mechanics. Still - I'm rather careless. A committed investigator could connect a lot, if not all, of my online accounts and identities. Just because Google fails to do so doesn't mean it can't be done.
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http://www.opisrael.com/ is playing Hatikvah, Israel's national anthem all day today.
This is nonsense. Have you even looked at the Tel-Avi Stock Exchange website?
The attack is ongoing and has already had a major financial impact!
http://www.tase.co.il/Heb/Pages/Homepage.aspx
http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2013/04/08/attacks-on-israel-creating-major-financial-loss-from-opisrael-v2
The only people on the planet not livng in a "stolen house" are the Icelanders.
Maybe they are just goading them in the hopes that some more talented anons come along and really hack them, thus giving them justification for cyber-defence spending.
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I am a firm believer that the US should withdraw from North America.
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I don't think he outed himself by posting his google docs account as much as he did by posting from eponymous slashdot account with account number 137(!!!!). That's about as genuine as anything I would ever trust on the Internet.
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One of the big scores for Anonymous was that they defaced the page for Adalah.
Adalah is an organization providing probono legal help to Israeli minority citizens for discrimination cases.
Way to go, Anonymous. What a bunch of fuckwits.
(Added style points for starting this op on Holocaust Memorial Day, and trying to DDOS Yad Vashem.
And for getting this op led by a citizen of Mauritania, the one remaining country that still has slavery.)
Israel is pretty terrible at managing perceptions. I wouldn't attribute to them this degree of subtlety. For all the talk of the size of the jewish lobby, its effectiveness is pretty abysmal. How else can you explain that Israel (1) doesn't get to define its own capital; (2) doesn't get to lawfully annex East Jerusalem even though it is an acceptable international law that territory conquered in a war can be legally annexed; (3) must answer for building buildings as if it were equivalent to burning down of school children (yes, the media does make that equivalence all the time); (4) must moderate itself in how aggressively it defends itself from those who try to wipe it out? Are my points "israeli propaganda?" Depends on whether true statements can be called propaganda. They can be, of course, (for example, if they are guilty of omission). But nonetheless, the general meme is to not buy these statements as true even though they are. So Israeli PR machine is failing even at selling the truth as true. I'd say that's pretty bad perception management.
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Any criminal can. Stolen laptop, open or cracked wireless access point.
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North Korea doesn't allow free reports roam free across its territory. Israel even allows BBC and Al Jazeera (both state media of hostile regimes) to be report freely. Oh, and for any Brit sycophan, spare me the line about BBC not being a state medium. And if you are feeling like reaching for "you have no idea how..." type of statement.... I do have a pretty good idea as to state medium of any state works. Brits have a history of using propaganda to advance their causes around the globe. BBC is no different despite their perception of independence.
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Israel doesn't have pizza delivery.
Sure it does. When I was in Israel 4 years ago, I saw Domino's Pizza delivery via scooter in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and in Haifa.
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Isreal hardly needs to use propaganda to make their neighbors look like homocidal maniacs who when not screeching about Isreal are busy killing their own citizens. The only thing that unites the entire middle east is their hatred of Isreal. This hatred is used by the governments to deflect attention from their own shortcomings. These are the same governments who really do not want the Isreal-Palestinian conflict to end. They would lose the one thing that they can use to manipulate their citizens. Isreal didn't steal any land they won it fair and square in war. Every country on the planet was established using the same methodology. Isreal enemies basically want a "do over" because all their previous military efforts have failed. The "palestinians" have been kicked out of every country they have tried to enter. They tried to overthrow the Jordanian government and were shown the door in spectaculer fashion. They were the only group of people in the middle east who supported Iraq's takover of Kuwait in 1991. As soon as Kuwait recovered they deported close to 100,000 palestinians. And the people who complain about the US relationship with Isreal need to understand that the US has been the only country capable of restraining Isreali actions. Take away US support and Isreal would have no reason to restrain their military the next time the war flares up. Although it would probably be a good thing because Isreal could then settle matters once and for all.
I'm listening on IRC right now, and these twatwaffles just got trolled into DDOSing Sakhnin College, an Arabic trade school.
It's funny to see these idiots fall for it, but Sakhnin's students are probabl having an annoying day.
Way to go, Anonymous.
Isreal didn't steal any land they won it fair and square in war.
You really think anything is "won fair and square in war" --- that "I've got bigger weapons and am better at killing your folks than you are mine" justifies "therefore, all your stuff belongs to us"? To you and anyone who shares your "might makes right" philosophy: fuck you. Attitudes like yours make it clear that "homocidal maniacs" aren't exclusive to the "other side."
Your mask is slipping
you forget that it was Isreal that was the one being attacked during the seven days war everyone around them were the aggressors they won land after they were attacked this was hardly they bigger stick situation you describe.
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I don't care so much "who started it"* in the playground fight, that doesn't justify the stronger bully walking away with the weaker kid's lunch money, and declaring him his bitch for life. Nor does groups of Palestinians being militarily evicted by other countries justify their plight (being a persecuted loser doesn't make you worthy of said fate either; one might think that more Israelis might have more introspection on that point, given significant facts in their past history).
*) Not that it changes whether or not Israel is justified in taking land by force, but, from the Wikipedia article on the 1967 Six Days war:
The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields after a period of high tension that included an Israeli raid into the Jordanian-controlled West Bank,[12][13] Israeli initiated aerial clashes over Syrian territory,[14] Syrian artillery attacks against Israeli settlements in the vicinity of the border followed by Israeli response against Syrian positions in the Golan Heights and encroachments of increasing intensity and frequency (initiated by Israel) into the demilitarized zones along the Syrian border[15] and culminating in Egypt blocking the Straits of Tiran.[16] and ordering of the evacuation from the Sinai Peninsula of the U.N. buffer force.
so this was certainly *not* a case of a one-sided offense against Israel's defense; there is no measure by which Israel is not at least a co-aggressor, if not the primary culprit for the war.
The entire conflict between Israel and the palestinians could be resolved if the palestinians and their supporters would come out in the open and offer Isreal the only thing they need, security. No more driving the jews into the sea rhetoric. Remove the intent to destroy Isreal that is stated without reservation in the Hamas charter. Remove the map of Palestine that shows no Isreal that is currently hanging in Abbas office. Silence the so called leaders that live in foreign countries and loudly promote violence against Isreal. These supporters really do not care about the palestinians all they care about is the money they can collect through international donations and the "taxes" collected for any goods moved through the tunnel system. Their main sources of income would go away if the conflict is settled.
"They've had a blank check from the US for over 50 years"
No they have not. It was not until 1973 that the US provided military re-supply. To obtain this cooperation required Isreal to issue orders to arm their F-4s and Jericho missile with nukes. The order was announced in the clear to insure everyone knew what they were doing. This is what promted Nixon to agree to resupply Israel.
It is the new Al-CIAda, designed to justify the elimination of the free internet as we once knew it.
Ask yourself, who really benefits from the activities of "Anonymous"? The neocons and the military industrial complex, spreading fear so that we beg for the internet to be regulated and censored.
Don't fall for it.
*sigh* Of course it is. It can't possibly be immature, short-sighted kiddies taking advantage of easy targets for the notoriety, completely unable to comprehend the long-term policy effects of their actions due to a solipsistic culture that rewards selfishness and impulsiveness for an unattainable anarchic utopia best described as "self-serving", "sophomoric", or "on the same level as junior high self-insert power-fantasy fanfics". That'd just be silly, right? Imagine that, thinking that a bunch of noisy kids with internet connections were wrong about something. Come now! They have internet connections and they agree with internet culture! How could that possibly be wrong?
any publicly open channel you are 'listening to' [are] a bunch of fuckwits.. infiltrated by the cia, fbi, the mainstream media and normal armchair commentators/criticizer/dumbasses such as yourself.
No shit, Sherlock.
That didn't stop the Anonymous twatwaffles from DDOSing Sakhnin College. And I checked: it fell off the web shortl afterwards.
Im sure those students are having a really annoying sunday when they are all at the mosque
Sunday's a regular workday in Israel, dumbass. Including in the Arabic schools.
You seem to have missed the difference between Anonymous and anonymous, the post you replied to was obviously referring to the proper noun.
It's called being a script kiddie. Anonymous is just a gang of them. Script kiddies can be dangerous, even though they aren't as smart as they'd like you to believe.
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Yes. They have. Israel has been receiving money and food since the Eisenhower administration. Good story though.
But word on the wire is that the number of "Super sayanim" outed were "Over 9000"
I love it when people refer to "Anonymous" as a coherent entity, or even one with a defined membership or even single motive.
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"Anonymous" is not a group, but a tactic, or even a posting style. It comes from message boards that work like this one, and is dirrectly analougous to the "Anonymous Coward" on this site. So fellow
So its highly likely "Anonymous" is really many many diffrent groups and inviduals with diffrent, and even contradictory or even opposing views and goals using the exact same tactic. Just the same as the AC on
I think you can judge how popular an idea by judging how many people actually show up to attack it, and the group that does the attacking. Of course you don't know, but just guess via their skillsets.
Most Israeli Jews have ancestors who fled Arab countries to come to Israel.
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Abbas has repeatedly offered the following to Israel to settle things once and for all:
A two-state solution marked by the 1967 borders, East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital and a cessation by Israel of building settlements on Palestinian lands. In exchange for that, complete and unequivocal peace.
To date, Israel has rejected all offers and continues to confiscate Palestinian lands which it then builds subsidized (by U.S. tax dollars) housing, continues to expel Palestinians from East Jerusalem despite the people having been there since before Israel existed, denies Palestinians building permits in East Jerusalem, turns a blind eye towards violence against Palestinians by Israelis while going full bore against Palestinians who so much as give a dirty look at an Israeli, all the while claiming, "But we've been persecuted for so long! We're the victims!"
Certainly, groups such as Hezbollah will never accept peace with Israel, but they're not the issue. You want peace, get off the Palestinian land, let them manage their own country and borders and you'll be amazed at what can happen. Until Israel stops obstructing the peace process, there can be no peace.
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Lets not forget that Israel assassinated high UN officials who dared suggest the two state solution or any solution that didn't involve giving (what would come to be Israel) all the land. Yes this was before Israel was formed but David Ben Gurion rewarded the assassin by making him his closest adviser and confidante which cannot be seen as anything other than endorsement of the act.
Read the party manifest of Likud and the other right wing parties they formed a government with, they say very similar things to what the Hamas charter does only in much more politically correct terms. Instead of talking about eradication of a people they say that the greater Israel(which includes occupied areas or areas not under their control) is the god given birthright of the Jewish people and that no other people have a right to the land or to form a state within this area.
The past and current ruling parties of Israel uses very similar underlying rhetoric that Hamas does, only they do it in less politically and emotionally charged terms, they never had any intention of allowing the two state to become reality. When u spend the last 60 years oppressing a people can you be surprised that they want to eradicate every last one of the oppressors?
There will never be a Palestinian state until the threats and violence against Israel comes to an end. The Israelis have the upper hand in any military conflict and asking them to lay down and let the nice and peaceful Palestinians invade their neighborhoods to setup better firing positions is ridiculous. The entire issue of Palestine was created to cause Israel problems after the Arabs finally figured out that any more military adventures on their part was not going to end very well. Classic military tactic when fighting a better force is to wound a one person so the rest will have to slow down to help the injured. Palestine was created by the Arabs for just this purpose. Egypt and Jordan abandoned their citizens in 1967 which effectively made them stateless. Fatah and Hamas will have to come together because a 2 state solution is probably unlikely but a 3 state solution is even more unlikely.
It does not matter which political party holds sway in Isreal. Even the most suicidal "give peace a chance party" is not going give up a single foot of land until they feel safe. So far they have seen no indication that the attacks would stop if only Isreal stopped settlements and set formal 2 state borders. There is no trust between the parties in this conflict. Look at that entire region of the world and you do not see anyone peacefully coexisting with other who might look different or have different ideas. Every despot in the middle east has used the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to deflect attention from how they run their countries. Hate and distrust is at such a high level that any peaceful resolution is not going to happen.
You really think anything is "won fair and square in war" --- that "I've got bigger weapons and am better at killing your folks than you are mine" justifies "therefore, all your stuff belongs to us"?
Not saying it's the best way, but isn't that how country lines have been drawn since the beginning of recorded history?
It's not even remotely true, but hey it has nothing to do with the argument at hand, so I will not bother to debunk it. Given the level of sadistic vitriol in your statement, you already heard the rational arguments which prove you wrong, but you want to cherry pick facts which make it seem like you are right and spew them, anyway. Have at it.
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