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Researcher Evan Booth: How To Weaponize Tax-Free Airport Goods

New submitter MickeyF71 writes "At the Hack in the Box security conference security expert Evan Booth shares the results of his two year research on the effectiveness of airport security. He demonstrates how easy it is to produce lethal weapons from goods easily bought from the tax-free section at most airports." Google's translation of the Dutch in that link isn't ideal. For those who prefer English to Dutch, Booth's presentation at CarolinaCon 2013 (YouTube video) may be a better bet.

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  1. First Post by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll be reading TFA while standing in the TSA security line at the airport.

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    1. Re:First Post by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the TSA guys could read they'd probably give you an hard time.

    2. Re:First Post by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they are not there for security. They are there to enforce conformity.

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  2. They needed research for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go into any duty free shop and make a bee line to the liquor section. There's something wonderfully flammable stuff there.

    Although, for some of those Scotches, if a terrorist were to use them, you'd see Fark headlines like: "The Horror! 30 year old Scotch murdered in terrorist act! A plane and people died too."

    1. Re:They needed research for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's what I was thinking. Some vodka, a lighter, a handkerchief...

    2. Re:They needed research for this? by sribe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You've watched too many action movies.

      When someone splashes alcohol in your face and lights it, the very last
      thing you will be thinking about is beating them up. You WILL be thinking
      about you face being on fire.

      I think it's you that's watched too many movies--booze does not burn all that well. While splashing alcohol in 1 person's face and lighting it might, possibly, incapacitate that person, it is not any way to incapacitate the entire flight crew and all the other passengers. The end result would be an attacker struggling to not suffocate, because it is actually very hard to breathe when hog-tied, and especially with one or more knees in your back.

      Oh, by the way--you do realize there's fire extinguishers on board, and the flight attendants know where they are and how to use them? Right? So what do you think they're going to do with the fire extinguisher after they empty it? ;-)

    3. Re:They needed research for this? by kryps · · Score: 2

      I think it's you that's watched too many movies--booze does not burn all that well. While splashing alcohol in 1 person's face and lighting it might, possibly, incapacitate that person, it is not any way to incapacitate the entire flight crew and all the other passengers. The end result would be an attacker struggling to not suffocate, because it is actually very hard to breathe when hog-tied, and especially with one or more knees in your back.

      You can not "incapacitate the entire flight crew and all the other passengers" with knives either. But planes have been hijacked with knives before.

    4. Re:They needed research for this? by AJWM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But planes have been hijacked with knives before 9/12/2001.

      Fixed that for you.

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    5. Re:They needed research for this? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2

      And the keyword is "before". As we all know, 9/11 changed everything.

      Before, a hijacking meant an unplanned trip to Cuba or an inconvenient delay on the tarmac while the hijacker negotiates for ransom money. (And the hijacking situation was probably more convenient than some flight delays) . So sit back, relax, and do what they tell you.

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    6. Re: They needed research for this? by AJWM · · Score: 4, Informative

      Molotov cocktail with vodka?

      It won't work. Vodka -- and in fact most liquors -- are mostly water. 80-proof beverages are only 40% alcohol, and it needs to be at least 50% (100 proof) alcohol* to burn (strong stuff like 151-proof rum is sold with a flame arrestor built into the top of the bottle.)

      (*If the beverage is warmed you can coax a flame off of the alcohol evaporating out of the liquid -- this is how you ignite brandy; it has to be warmed first. But as soon as you splash it or try to spray it, it will cool below the ignition point.)

      If the bottle is glass it would make a more dangerous weapon than the liquid inside it.

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    7. Re:They needed research for this? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. 9/11 changed the perception of hijackings. And hell, during 9/11 one plane's passengers did resist successfully.

    8. Re: They needed research for this? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The bottle the stuff comes in makes a pretty good weapon. Also, a bit of flaming booze thrown around a plane would cause quite a but of panic even if it didn't hurt anyone much. Certainly a few glass bottles of alcohol are more dangerous than my tube of toothpaste or that old lady's orange juice.

    9. Re:They needed research for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes - and no. It depends on levels of adrenaline, testosterone, somewhat on rational decisions, training, and more. The pain, and the surprise, in the situation you describe will stop almost everyone, almost 100% of the time. Pure shock almost always stops everyone.

      But - there are exceptions. Depending on how things developed into a struggle to the death, the guy being sprayed with burning alcohol may well understand that he is dead whether he fights or not. Some really hard core sumbitches will struggle to make their deaths mutually painful, for him and his attacker.

      Call me a numbskull, or whatever. I've been injured a couple of times in my life. (who's counting, anyway?) It takes time for the pain to soak in sometimes. Not always - it depends on how I was injured. But, it can take literally minutes for the shock to hit home. Until the shock hits, you can be fully functional.

      After the fact, shock may have reduced me to a helpless idiot, but as long as something remained possible and necessary, I continued to act for my own self preservation.

    10. Re:They needed research for this? by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But planes have been hijacked with knives before 9/12/2001.

      Fixed that for you.

      Aye. That fact pretty much makes the whole TSA utterly pointless. No one is going to even try hijacking a plane, not anymore. Blowing it up, maybe, but not hijacking. And there are vastly easier targets if you just want to kill a few people with explosives (the queue for the security checkpoint, for example).

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    11. Re:They needed research for this? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They knew they were dead anyways, fight or not. They did save a bunch of other lives...

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    12. Re:They needed research for this? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ok, I'm obviously not the only one who got that.

      9/11 was like the trojan horse (the original one, not the malware). It was a once in a lifetime, actually, once in history stunt. It will never ever work again. The reason it worked was simply cooperation on the side of the attacked. Yes, cooperation. Not in the sense that they actually helped them, but that they didn't resist thinking that it's "only" a simple plane hijacking.

      Try it again and at the very least 50% of the people in the plane will be all over you. Quite seriously, if I let you continue, I will die anyway. If I fight you, I have a fighting chance to survive. Cut, bruised and maybe lethally stabbed, but there's a chance.

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    13. Re:They needed research for this? by Kreigaffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've never been around liquor, have you?

      It's not really flammable. Yeah, no. Until you start getting to high-proof stuff, it *won't* burn (unless you throw it into a hot skillet and light it, the heat will evaporate it quickly and the alcohol VAPOR will light, but the liquid form? no dice brah, you can't light your shot of bourbon on fire). 151 will burn if lit, and pure grain alcohol obviously burns REALLY well, but 80 proof? 90? That won't burn.

      Throw it in my face, go ahead. The only thing that'll hurt is possibly a stinging in my eyes. Now, try to light it, and while you're fumbling with a tiny lighter thinking that just by bringing it near me that I'll combust like in the movies?... haha, well, go ahead, that would be fucking hilarious.

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    14. Re:They needed research for this? by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Half successful. The plane was rendered unable for use as a weapon against those on the ground. And those people had to debate and make a decision. I think today the decision would be automatic.

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    15. Re:They needed research for this? by matfud · · Score: 3, Informative
    16. Re:They needed research for this? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      IIRC there have been a few cases since where one guy on a plane starts to set off an explosive and the people around him go medieval on him, trying to disable him and the weapon.

    17. Re:They needed research for this? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      People with young children on the aircraft.

    18. Re:They needed research for this? by skegg · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, many passengers may also have the following thought:

      If I do nothing, I can let someone else be cut, bruised and maybe lethally stabbed, but I can come out of this unscathed.

    19. Re:They needed research for this? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Quite possibly. But there's a plane of 300 people against you. One PERCENT of them is enough. And all it takes is a father/mother thinking "I may die, but my kid who sits next to me will survive".

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    20. Re:They needed research for this? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Count the number of US flags in that list prior to 9/11/2001 (you'll need more than than the standard complement of fingers and toes).

      Now count the number of US flags in that list post 9/11/2001 (I'll help here, the answer is 0).

    21. Re:They needed research for this? by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Beyond the many parents who have chimed in, I'd be running in the front if my wife were on the plane.

      I've been in situations like that. And I've run into some really bad things. It's a powerful instinct. Sure your life is valuable: but if you're living it right, it isn't the most valuable thing in your care.

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    22. Re:They needed research for this? by chaboud · · Score: 2

      I dunno. I drove the wrong way up a one way, slid to a stop, hopped out of my car, and wrestled a bike thief to the ground today, all because I saw a guy in bike clothes yelling "stop that guy!" Only later, when I was telling my wife about it, did it occur to me that there was a fair bit of risk involved.

      No doubt there are at least a few dudes on that plane who watched Bourne with a magazine and want to see if it works against a knife. It won't be box-cutters that take a plane ever again.

      I give an attacker about 15-30 seconds of confusion before it's game over. Taking a full 737? I'd wager 8-15 people would be required. The era of low-effort hijacking is over.

      I'm pretty sure that my MacBook Air 13" will do some damage if thrown, and I've been really looking for an excuse to get a Retina...

    23. Re:They needed research for this? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Precisely.

      Young children are compact and easily thrown to distract or injure a hijacker.

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    24. Re:They needed research for this? by Inda · · Score: 2

      40% ABV Sambuca lights with a simple flame. No warming in needed. It's actually desires to have it on fire before drinking.

      Also, see Brandy and her many sisters.

      Next question.

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  3. All I could tell from the link by fermion · · Score: 2
    Is that Dutch looks like german, in which everything seems angry. The web page seemed very very angry about my lack of cookies. I never knew a web page could look so angry.

    As far as the article, this is not surprising given that security theater dominates our security policy. Look at school shootings. Evidently from what I have read, professors do not have the ability to lock many university classrooms, so they have to barricade of sacrifice themselves. I read this week that the police are now recommending that we take defensive action when someone tries to shoot us. What were school doing before, opening all the doors and lining the kids in the hallways to be executing? At school the policy is to lock doors, hide, and stay away from windows when a attack is announced. Which is to be done before the administration sacrifices themselves. Good defensive positions saves lives.

    Of course the answer is always more guns, which is really going to some good when a truck full of claymores and fertilizer is driven into a school courtyard, or when some explodes their group 1 element on the plane.

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    1. Re:All I could tell from the link by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I don't know why they were ever removed. Back in my day, classrooms not in use were locked as a matter of policy (when no staff was present). Otherwise, students could enter and utilize them for 'unsanctioned' activities. I have many interesting stories from my high scool music department practice rooms.

      I had a private smoking lounge in the maintenance space above ours. (Wonder if anyone ever found the bong I think I left up there.) I was in practically every musical group the school had, and so received a key that just so happened to open *that* lock, too, my sophomore year... :)

      Nobody ever guessed how I managed never to get busted in the restrooms or trying to sneak out to the far parking lot. Since I wasn't supposed to tell any of the other students that I had what turned out to be a master key to every room and office in the whole music wing... I of course abided by the conditions under which I'd been given the key, and didn't tell a soul!

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    2. Re:All I could tell from the link by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      I don't know why they were ever removed. Back in my day, classrooms not in use were locked as a matter of policy (when no staff was present). Otherwise, students could enter and utilize them for 'unsanctioned' activities. I have many interesting stories from my high scool music department practice rooms.

      I had a private smoking lounge in the maintenance space above ours. (Wonder if anyone ever found the bong I think I left up there.) I was in practically every musical group the school had, and so received a key that just so happened to open *that* lock, too, my sophomore year... :)

      Nobody ever guessed how I managed never to get busted in the restrooms or trying to sneak out to the far parking lot. Since I wasn't supposed to tell any of the other students that I had what turned out to be a master key to every room and office in the whole music wing... I of course abided by the conditions under which I'd been given the key, and didn't tell a soul!

      No worries, slashdot readers do not have souls.

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    3. Re:All I could tell from the link by shikaisi · · Score: 2

      The Dutch are probably the least angry people on the planet lol.

      Q: Why are the Dutch such nice people? A: Because all the real bastards went to South Africa.

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  4. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA recently changed policies to allow pocket knives, nail clippers, hockey sticks, and box cutters back on planes. Box cutters, you'll remember, were used on 9/11/2001. The reality is, many prohibited items pass through security on a daily basis. You've heard stories about people the TSA failing their own security checks (fake bombs, guns, etc). You probably haven't heard any stories about the TSA actually stopping a terrorist. This is not because they're too modest to tell anyone.

    All is not lost, since cockpit doors are still locked during the flight and passengers know a plane hijacking no longer means "free trip to cuba" but "you will die" which changes the dynamic (c.f United Airlines flight 93).

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  5. Over thinking it by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That guy is over thinking it. A wine bottle and a roll of duct tape can be used to make a good knife - and on international flights they serve wine in glass bottles. Credit cards can have their edges honed to the point of being as sharp as box cutters.

    About the only thing worthwhile is using a remote controlled toy to trigger something.

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    1. Re:Over thinking it by houghi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My grandfather sharpened the edges of coins, so they could put them between their fingers when fighting.
      Bar fights are done without the duct tape. Just use any glass or bottle and break the end while holding it.

      Look at the average documentary about prisons and you will know that anything can be made into a weapon.

      And if you are a danger with a nail clipper, you are a danger without it.

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    2. Re:Over thinking it by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bar fights are done without the duct tape. Just use any glass or bottle and break the end while holding it.

      That's a good way to end up with a handful of blood and broken glass. It's not easy to break the end off of a bottle without breaking the whole bottle. Amateur bottle fighters are little more than business for surgeons. There's a very good reason for the duct tape.

    3. Re:Over thinking it by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      That, and the bottle unbroken is a good weapon. A solid hit on a head would be fatal (assuming wine bottle, not beer). And if it breaks on someone's head, then you have the broken bottle you were aiming for anyway.

    4. Re:Over thinking it by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Be prepared to find your name on a no-fly list for no real reason. You clearly are a problem to national security. You can think.

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    5. Re:Over thinking it by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Someday children will have stories about how their parents met while suing each other for sneezing inappropriately. Times are changing.

      My daddy's lawyers are bigger than your daddy's lawyers.

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  6. Ruining it for everyone by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who wants to bet that the ultimate outcome of this talk becoming known to the public at large will be to close duty-free stores at international airports? Frankly, while I agree that airport security as it exists is basically theater which provides little-to-no meaningful increase in actual safety, I sort of feel like pointing out what you can do with items you're allowed to purchase on the "secure side of the fence" as it were, is akin to the people who point out that more murders are perpetrated with hand guns than assault rifles: they think they're making a logical point, but all they're doing is creating a causus belli for their opponents to expand their reach to target handguns, too -- NOT providing a rational argument for passing over banning assault weapons.

    On the other hand, as a security industry professional, I'm naturally inclined to find things like this kind of cool. But seriously, I don't think anything good will come from this from a policy standpoint.

    1. Re:Ruining it for everyone by Imagix · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True story: Passing security, my wife had her nail clippers confiscated. As soon as we cleared security, we walked into one of the shops and bought another pair of nail clippers. What was the point of seizing them at security? Equally true story: we bought water in the security area in our originating airport. Transferred planes in London, and they seized the water. BTW: do they somehow scan all of the merchandise that was brought into the secured area, like the bottled water that you can't bring across security?

    2. Re:Ruining it for everyone by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 5, Funny

      The replacement clippers you bought in the shop were made of approved inert metal. The ones you tried to smuggle on the aircraft could well have been made of plutonium. You and a few of your terrorist buddies put your plutonium nail clippers together and... BOOM! So you see, the policy was effective. Now please report to Guantanamo Bay.

    3. Re:Ruining it for everyone by MLCT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That won't happen, because ultimately airports are only profitable as they are run as giant shops. Antiquated rules on the requirements for how long people need to be there before the flight are maintained to ensure there is a large number of trapped people sitting about who want to buy food/drink and who get bored or are addicted anyway to buying things they don't really need in shops.

      Ultimately our security means little compared to the ability of the shops to sell "things" - hence the fact that we can still buy such things in the departures lounge even though it is clearly a security risk. The money they make (and thus the rent the pay to the airport) matters more than absolute security. Indeed some of the shops were no doubt delighted when the 100 ml rule came in, as now they can sell us elementary things like a bottle of water that we are not allowed to take through security.

    4. Re:Ruining it for everyone by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Informative

      What was the point of seizing them at security?

      Aside from the obvious security theater, they also sell the items.

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    5. Re:Ruining it for everyone by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What was the point of seizing them at security?

      To make you buy from the duty free store. The stores were losing money, and needed an influx of forced shoppers so that the airports could increase rent fees. I'll bet most of the confiscation rules were suggested by airports and not airlines or security professionals.

    6. Re:Ruining it for everyone by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 2

      Although I can imagine certain items being banned or screened more careful, I'd suspect that the lobbying of airports / airlines will protect the duty free shops from significant changes. Similarly, I've always suspected that the restrictions on liquids would have been lifted quickly if they were a financial pain (rather than a financial benefit) to the airports / airlines / shops.

      Just my opinion, though, it's not like there's (as far as I'm aware!) particularly good insight available into how and what the interested parties communicate.

    7. Re:Ruining it for everyone by chihowa · · Score: 2

      Good deals, too. That's where I get all of my discount used nail clippers!

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    8. Re:Ruining it for everyone by Mitreya · · Score: 2

      BTW: do they somehow scan all of the merchandise that was brought into the secured area, like the bottled water that you can't bring across security?

      No! That's the best part. As I am forced to throw away my water-bottle, I see a random worker bring in a palette of water bottles and go in without so much as a scan (they just open the door).

      I am almost certain the airport vendors lobbied for that particular rule. Water/soda prices have almost doubled in the last few years.

    9. Re:Ruining it for everyone by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      And that was a reaction to the security. I remember as a child going up to the gate to meet incoming passengers. Yes, it was trivial to get to a gate with no boarding pass. The airports complained when the rules precluded non-passengers from going to the gate. Airports in other countries still let you go to the gate if not traveling. I've been to some that looked like malls more than airports. No idea if the locals went there.

    10. Re:Ruining it for everyone by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Sounds like Gitmo is the place to be. Lots of educated and devoted people. Would be a good group to work with. Furthermore, I love the Cuban climate and the cigars are to die for.

      Sign me up!

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    11. Re:Ruining it for everyone by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      That won't happen, because ultimately airports are only profitable as they are run as giant shops. Antiquated rules on the requirements for how long people need to be there before the flight are maintained to ensure there is a large number of trapped people sitting about who want to buy food/drink and who get bored or are addicted anyway to buying things they don't really need in shops.

      Yeah, the airport shops like having people there, but you know what? They don't need "antiquated rules" to force people to come early. You know what would make them even MORE money, get rid of the stupid security checkpoint. BOOM instant customer increase as non passengers would be allowed in the airport.
      They already have enough people due to lay overs, and people wanting to come earlier. Throw in non passengers who are waiting for arrivals, or hanging out until departure...
      Some of train stations in Europe have ENORMOUS malls associated with them, and are quite busy, and they don't have these "antiquated rules" Not everything is a conspiracy

  7. Why work so hard? by putaro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While cute, this is really overthinking the problem.

    If you want to kill lots of people in an aviation related way, send a suicide bomber to the security checkpoint at Thanksgiving.

    If you want to get weapons onto the plane, infiltrate someone into the cleaning staff or maybe the caterers. There are lots of people and vehicles who enter the airport without being rigorously searched. Have them leave a weapon for you in the airplane's bathroom or taped under your seat.

    1. Re:Why work so hard? by Shompol · · Score: 2
  8. Rubbish weapons by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The weapons in the photos look scary, but I bet they'd be really rubbish in real life. For example, the club is made from a rolled up magazine and some Liberty statuettes. It is small, not very heavy, not very sharp, and would probably fall apart if it was used.

    Really any of these weapons is insignificant compared to what an fit but unarmed human can do. And that's why aeroplanes are safe these days: any hijacker will have to take on a hundred or more strong and highly motivated passengers.

    1. Re:Rubbish weapons by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      The weapons in the photos look scary, but I bet they'd be really rubbish in real life. For example, the club is made from a rolled up magazine and some Liberty statuettes. It is small, not very heavy, not very sharp, and would probably fall apart if it was used.

      Really any of these weapons is insignificant compared to what an fit but unarmed human can do. And that's why aeroplanes are safe these days: any hijacker will have to take on a hundred or more strong and highly motivated passengers.

      +1. The rules have changed - it used to be "submit, avoid confrontation and eventually the hijackers will release you; even if it is after a prolonged period of time." Now it is "Kill the bastards before they can kill you." Whenever I fly I take note of what I can use to protect myself - whether it is my very sharp point all metal pen, my all metal laptop, or the power cord.

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    2. Re:Rubbish weapons by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet it can smash a coconut in multiple pieces in one hit according to the article. He did 2 years of research so it would be rather rubbish if he came up with a armory of weapons that fall apart on first use.

      Sounds impressive doesn't it. But if you tried you could easily smash a coconut with your bare hands. However it would be very different if the coconut had arms and legs and was defending itself. And if there were a hundred of them, you would soon be overwhelmed.

      If your goal is to injure one random person on a plane then nothing and nobody can prevent you. Almost anything will serve as a weapon, and if you are reasonably strong you don't even need a weapon. But that's a preposterous idea, because the remaining passengers will flatten you and you will spend the rest of your life in jail.

      If your goal is to take over a plane then a rolled-up magazine laced to a handful of trinkets will not help.

    3. Re:Rubbish weapons by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Informative

      The weapons in the photos look scary, but I bet they'd be really rubbish in real life. For example, the club is made from a rolled up magazine and some Liberty statuettes. It is small, not very heavy, not very sharp, and would probably fall apart if it was used.

      You'd be surprised at how effective seemingly benign things like this are. It sounds akin to a Milwall brick.

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    4. Re:Rubbish weapons by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

      Yah, a club made from stale airport sandwiches would have been better.

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  9. Self defense classes by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Anyone who takes a self defense class (especially women's self defense) will learn how to "weaponize" ordinary objects that we all have at hand every day. Umbrellas and CDs/DVDs make vicious weapons when broken.
    "That's my purse! I don't know you!" -Bobby Hill

  10. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by AikonMGB · · Score: 4, Informative

    You missed the point: you can bring in large empty bottles, or small bottles filled with liquid, but not large bottles with a small amount of liquid. The regulations are arbitrary and near-useless.

  11. My Q&D human translation of the Dutch article by fondacio · · Score: 4, Informative

    Researcher builds bomb out of articles from airport shops

    To demonstrate the futility of current airport security, next week a security expert will demonstrate a remotely controllable bomb. All the materials were bought at the airport once past security.

    The detonation mechanism will be presented at security conference Hack in the Box in Amsterdam. It is the result of two years of research by security expert Evan Booth.

    “There are all kinds of things we cannot take with us and security checks for those. But it turns out that this doesn’t make much sense,” says Booth.

    The detonation mechanism is the result of more than two years of research into deficient security at airports and available materials which are sold the in stores which are located ait airports behind customs.

    Drone

    To build the mechanism, Booth has used a Zippo lighter, disposable lighters, adhesive tape, dental floss and a remote controlled drone. “Which can be opreated with a mobile phone through a wireless network”, claims Booth.

    He used the engine from the drone to operate the zippo lighter. With disposable lighters, it is possible subsequently to create a blowtorch. By doing this, it would be possible to cause a fire, but at the conference Booth will present a more developed concept which even enables the detonation of a bomb.

    Simple

    “The trick is to prove that you can have dangerous weapons on board without carrying any forbidden items with you”, Booth has stated to NU.nl.

    Apart from a bomb, Booth also managed without much effort to create a bow and arrow out of items he had bought in a shop at an airport. For this, he used an umbrella, a hairdryer, socks, a leather belt and condoms. He did not want to further develop things were too obvious, such as using a lighter and deodorant as an alternative gas burner.

    Also remarkable is a club he created out of a souvenir, some magazines, dental floss, a leather belt and adhesive tape. During a test, this club turned out to be so solid that a single strike sufficed to break a coconut into several pieces.

    Profiling

    “Airport security has not been done well for a while now. What annoys me, is that we spend a lot of money on it and, for example, violate people’s privacy with body scanners. In the meantime, it turns out it doesn’t work well”, explains Booth.

    “It is a difficult problem, but I don’t know if this security makes any sense at all. I believe more in good intelligence and preventing the wrong people from coming to the airport.”

    To pre-empt problems with authorities, Booth has contacted the responsible government agencies in the United States in February. “I have offered to demonstrate my research and provide explanations, but I haven’t received any response. In the meantime, I have continued my research.”

  12. Not news: knowledge has always been ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... a more powerful weapon. Anyone with a basic knowledge of physics and turn anything into a powerful weapon, including their own body. Anyone with a knowledge of chemistry of physics is more capable of making use of the things that they find around them. Anyone with a knowledge of psychology or security is better able to manipulate the mechanisms that are supposed to keep us safe. And the list could go on.

  13. Uhm, no. by raehl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Antiquated rules on the requirements for how long people need to be there before the flight are maintained to ensure there is a large number of trapped people sitting about who want to buy food/drink and who get bored or are addicted anyway to buying things they don't really need in shops.

    There are three sets of rules about when you need to be at the airport:

    - Check-in time: Usually 30 minutes. This cutoff is to both give you time to get through security and the airline time to put other people in your seat if you don't show. But, since you can check in online anytime within 24 hours of your flight, this doesn't really put any requirement on you as to when you have to be at the airport.
    - Back Check Time: Usually the same as the check-in time, and usually 30 minutes, although at some airports it's more. This is to make sure that the airline has time to get your bag to the plane and loaded on it. 30 minutes is pretty reasonable here (and the airports where it's longer, like Las Vegas, there's a reason.)
    - At The Gate time: 15 or 30 minutes prior to departure, depending on whether you're doing domestic or international departure. As a practical matter though, this is really "before they are done boarding the plane". If it's 10 minutes to departure and they've still got a line of people getting on the plane, they won't know you're not there. But if it's 25 minutes before departure on an international flight and you're not on the plane and they are done boarding, they're going to pull your bags from the plane.

    Why 30 for international but only 15 for domestic? Because the airlines are not required to fly your bags on the same plane as you domestically, but they are required to do so internationally, so they need the extra 15 minutes to get bags off the plane.

    So, yes, there are rules about when you have to be at the airport and at the gate. But they have nothing to do with getting people to shop.

    1. Re:Uhm, no. by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2

      As my former boss used to say, "if you've never missed a plane, you arrive to the airport too early".

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      My first program:

      Hell Segmentation fault

  14. Next headline by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next headline will read:

    TSA: How To Eliminate Researcher Evan Booth While Pretending To Be In Line With The Constitution

  15. What this tells us about the scope of the problem. by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This ought to teach us just how disorganized and scarce these "Al Quaeda" suicidal terrorists are. If there were that many of them, they'd have figured out how to make airplane assault weapons long before this guy's ideas made it into print.

    We are being sold a bill of goods by contractors who want the government to buy their overpriced "anti-terrorist" product-of-the-month.

    Every damn politician is now afraid of being perceived as "soft on terrorism," and we now have an Antiterrorism Industry intent on perpetuating itself.

    This is getting REALLY stupid . . . almost as stupid as the internet bubble.

  16. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, correct. And people on slashdot continue to post this on every airplane-related story, and continue to mod these posts insightful, and continue to agree with them.

    Meanwhile, the TSA continues to get more funding, continues to grow in power, and continues to perpetuate its injusticies against innocent people both inside of and outside of airports.

    Pointing out how wrong and wasteful they are, to an audience of geeks, accomplishes nothing.

  17. What Israeli Airport Security Teaches the World by wabrandsma · · Score: 2

    Once again, the Israelis have led the way.

    Much of Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport’s security protocol is achieved through a combination of comprehensive due diligence, common sense, and consistency – which, one would think would be the objective of airport authorities throughout the world. If more airport authorities were to adopt Ben Gurion’s approach, surely it would be more difficult for those intending to do harm to succeed.

    http://www.internationalpolicydigest.org/2012/06/19/what-israeli-airport-security-teaches-the-world/

    1. Re:What Israeli Airport Security Teaches the World by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      This comes up every time we talk about this problem.

      Israel is not a good model for the US. It is the size of New Jersey with a single International airport. Their admittedly effective system cannot be used in the US - it just won't scale and it revolves around racial profiling - another no no in America.

      Try again.

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  18. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by BubbaDave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heh, the *boom* will be when you try to compress acetylene above 15psi.

    A few liters of acet-oxy mix makes a nice boom but little damage, I've had a quart sandwich bag of mix go off in my hands, not even a tingle.

    30 gal trashbag with a nice lean mix will audibly echo in the hudson valley for at least 190 seconds, assuming your ears were plugged for the boom.

  19. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by Kreigaffe · · Score: 2

    REALLY? VALIDITY?

    aaaghhhh my head.

    LIQUID EXPLOSIVES ARE NOT AND WERE NEVER A DANGER, THEY ARE FAR LESS ENERGETIC THAN SOLID EXPLOSIVES AND FAR MORE DANGEROUS TO TRANSPORT.

    Anyone trying to blow up a plane with a liquid explosive is either going to blow up on the way to the airport, or do just enough damage to hurt themselves and no one else.

    The whole liquid restriction bullshit is just that, bullshit. And furthermore Susan I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that it was encouraged by the vendors on the 'safe' side of the security checkpoints. I can't fathom how much their sales of beverages must have increased..

    --
    ... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about. :|
  20. Re: WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wanna hang out with this guy..

  21. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by Kreigaffe · · Score: 2

    The cabin is a fairly large area and can take in air from the exterior. The risk isn't nearly what you make it out to be, unless someone's carrying a few gallon jugs onto the plane -- but realistically, without TSA and their liquid restrictions, *someone carrying several gallons of shit would never get on a plane anyway*.
    Because it's strange, and someone would ask "why are you carrying 3 gallons of liquid" and the game would be over.

    But, yeah. Cabin air isn't enclosed, it's not a tight space. There is air exchange taking place at all times during the flight.. just not much when at cruising altitude. It can be adjusted, though, and there's always those wonderful oxygen masks that can fall from the overhead bins.
    Liquids have never been a danger, except in the hollywood-addled minds of people who make too much money for too little work to ever grow a working understanding of how the real world actually fucking works as opposed to their gilded fantasies.

    --
    ... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about. :|
  22. But can it down the aircraft? by bdwoolman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As evidenced by TSA's recent and uncharacteristically sensible decision to ignore pen knives and other little sharps the agency has reaffirmed that they only care about stuff that can down the aircraft. No one can hijack any more by threatening the life of another passenger or crew member because since 9/11 the response to such threats has shifted from compliance to defiance. Armed with a bow and arrow made from an "umbrella, hair dryer, socks, a leather belt and condoms." a would-be attacker would receive a hearty laugh and a face full of mace. Emergency landing to treat passenger wounded by umbrella shaft? Yes.

    I dare you to try to visualize the weapon in question and keep a straight face.

    Joking aside, a determined group of attackers could create a lot of chaos with or without crap bought in duty free. In the right hands even a pair of eyeglasses is lethal. Godfather III anyone? But with the flight deck firmly locked the bird is probably safe.

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    "No fear. No envy. No meanness." Liam Clancy
  23. Re: WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject by BubbaDave · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wanna hang out with this guy..

    Bring ear protection.

  24. Re:Wait what? by Zaelath · · Score: 2

    I've only ever seen "multiple" lighters confiscated.

    I've done most of my flying post 9/11, I think one trip before. I had one of two lighters confiscated, after the agent confirmed you're only allowed the one, kinda. That was pre 9/11.

    My mother is a lighter kleptomaniac, she took a flight once with a dozen lighters in her handbag, only realised when they got confiscated on the return trip.

    Post 9/11 I had an entire computer sans the case in my carry on luggage, including a power supply which just scans as a black box with wire hanging out of it. All I was asked was, "whatcha got, a playstation in there?", once, at one of about 5 scans.

    The idea that you can "make a weapon" from shit at the souveneir shops is ludicrous, simply because it's easier to just bring one with you, or at least significant parts of one.

  25. Re:Flight 93 is a myth by nedlohs · · Score: 2

    Both are fine. Though I doubt the US military command was competent enough that particular day to manage with your version.

    And we all know that no news company has ever had incorrect garbage entered into their news feed before, so that particular example must have been gospel truth, right?

  26. Re:WTH does tax-free have to do with the subject o by sFurbo · · Score: 2

    It isn't just energy density, but also how fast that energy is released. IIRC, explosive power* of a brisant explosive is proportional to the third power of the density: The explosive power is proportional to the energy released per time unit, which is proportional to how much explodes. In a brisant explosive, this is proportional to the density times the volume of explosive swept by a detonation wave. The latter is proportional to the square of the speed of sound in the material, which is roughly proportional to the density.
    Last I checked, this was believed to be the reason why octanitrocubane had less explosive power than calculated before its synthesis, the density was lower than expected (but that was a long time ago, and I might remember wrongly).

    *To the degree that you can quantitate explosive power

  27. Re:Flight 93 is a myth by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not always intentionally incorrect, either. Sometimes they're just prepping two possible stories with different headlines and differing by only a paragraph or two.

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    You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.