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Windows 8 Killing PC Sales

yl-roller writes "IDC says Windows 8 is partly to blame for PC sales suffering the largest percentage drop ever. 'As if that news wasn't' troubling enough, it appears that a pivotal makeover of Microsoft's ubiquitous Windows operating system seems to have done more harm than good since the software was released last October.' According to a ZDNet article, IDC originally expected a drop, but only half the size."

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  1. My theory by dugancent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There hasn't been a damn thing in the last several years worth upgrading for. Gamers and developers aside, there has been nothing at all interesting happening in the PC world.

    I'm still on a 2.0ghz C2D laptop and had no intention of upgrading anytime soon.

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    1. Re:My theory by trparky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only thing I would suggest as an upgrade to that computer is an SSD. But that's about it. It really is amazing what an SSD can do to an older computer.

    2. Re:My theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The things that are good about windows 8 (modularity of features and some options for speedy lightweight installs, for example) are not at all apparent to most end users.

      The things that are absolute fails about windows 8 are the things that are completely in your face for most users.

      Features from the first group won't successfully justify the antifeatures in the second group.

      All M$ has to do is fix their UI and sales will go back up.

    3. Re:My theory by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Only thing I would suggest as an upgrade to that computer is an SSD. But that's about it. It really is amazing what an SSD can do to an older computer.

      It depends on the spinning disk I suppose. I upgraded from striped 15K RPM SCSI drives. The SSD was noticeably faster, but not anything on the scale I was hearing.

    4. Re: My theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speaking of fixing things, whenever you attempt to type a capital S it turns into a dollar sign.

      It could be the basementdweller virus. You should run a scan.

    5. Re:My theory by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was waiting for laptops with a decent screen resolution.

    6. Re:My theory by wisty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      MIcrosoft doesn't want to fix their UI. They want to train users in their touch UI.

      The tablet space is an attractive market, and Microsoft wants to use their power on the desktop to win the tablet war.

      This won't win them any friends in corporate IT, but corporate IT is so tied to Microsoft that they could release the next version with MS Bob as the interface, and businesses would still be forced to buy it when they upgrade. The only reason corporate IT is slow to upgrade now is that XP (and now Windows 7) is good enough, and corporate upgrade cycles are slow. Businesses skipped Vista, and went with 7. They'll skip 8 no matter what. When they are ready to upgrade again, Microsoft can just release a "Pro" version which enables a "classic" interface, and leave regular consumers with an interface that trains them to use MS tablets.

    7. Re:My theory by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Starting abou 2009-2010 the lowest end computer could play Youtube/Facebook/Netflix out of the box without any upgrades. Those are the killer apps of the home PC experience... and also things that a $150 android Tablet excells at. Your kid can still type up their book report on the old family Pentium 4 from 2002, but a $150 tablet outclasses it in every other way in both features, connectivity and speed for consumer use.
       
      PCs hit a price floor at around $350 due to the size and cost to ship, along with the various modular components. The $80 tablet (not sale price, the MSRP price) is a thing now, in five years the $50 tablet will exist, and people will look at you like you're crazy if you buy a $150 tablet. Google is about to announce their new $149 Nexus 7.

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    8. Re:My theory by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There hasn't been a damn thing in the last several years worth upgrading for. Gamers and developers aside, there has been nothing at all interesting happening in the PC world.

      I'm still on a 2.0ghz C2D laptop and had no intention of upgrading anytime soon.

      Except memory.

      I settled on Win 7 Pro so I could cram 32GB of RAM onto my mother board. Life with Photoshop and some other hungry apps is quite a lot easier when you aren't paging like a paging fiend on national paging day.

      As for the interface, I wanted to stick with familiar, not revolutionary. Win 8 reviews worried me. Generally Windows releases have departed from the previous one with less emphasis on keeping the system familiar. First things I do is turn off the Mac imitation peek, which I find extremely irritating. Gone also is the Aero/Glass look for the Classic look. I bought this to do work on, not bother me and try to look futuristic.

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    9. Re:My theory by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You had 15k rpm scsi striped drives in a laptop? Even if you did, you should have noticed these benefits: - much faster random access - improved battery life - zero noise - no mechanical failure

      No, not in a laptop. Video editing is mostly why I like having the speed. So there's not a lot of random access. I'm working with 12 GB files. Noise is definitely better. Not that I found them too loud. I used to have some Micropolis Tomahawk drives years ago. Those sounded like jet engines spinning up. You still have flash wear out on SSD drives. Most spinning disks can last a very long time too. I have a few older drives that have been spinning for close to 15 years now.

    10. Re:My theory by CheshireDragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I upgraded my MacBook Pro from 4 to 8GB RAM and from a 500GB HDD to a 128SSD and it is like a new comp. It boots in 7seconds rather than 40 seconds. The SSD is what made it all the new.
      I then built two desktops with the same SSD drive. All the same parts except one AMD and the other Intel. They are wicked fast because of SSD.
      I used to tell folks that adding RAM would be their best speed upgrade, but now I tell them that an SSD is the best speed upgrade.

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    11. Re:My theory by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm waiting on a 24 inch laptop.

    12. Re:My theory by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Informative

      corporate IT is so tied to Microsoft

      I work for a multinational company, very structured, AMAZING levels of bureaucracy and I thought we were joined at the hip, neck and everywhere else to Microsoft products - yet I was amazed to hear they are moving this company (200k+ employees) over to Gmail for emails and contacts as well as a bunch of other things. Until I heard that, I would have bet body parts to say that they would never move off their current technology.

      Having said that, we are still on XP rather than having skipped Vista to Win 7.

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    13. Re:My theory by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can't say I'm surprised. XP (or possibly Windows 7) is about as grown-up as Microsoft have succeeded in making their interface, though they're not alone. Both Microsoft and Apple have gone down the path of attempting to make their desktop UI look like a smartphone's, and all they succeed in is making it look dumb.

      I often wonder what will happen first: Microsoft/Apple realising the error of their ways and making a useful UI, or users collectively sighing and sucking up the crap they are given.

      Fortunately, in the *nix world, we have a choice.

    14. Re:My theory by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have one of those, I think theyre called "desktops".

    15. Re:My theory by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm waiting on a 24 inch laptop.

      Fatty. Not all of us have laps that large. Not even all Americans.

    16. Re: My theory by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

      People do not want or need a new OS. That's pretty much it. Hell, Win7 wasn't that big a step up, there wasn't even any compelling "must have" thing in 7 that justified going out and tossing the old crate.

      You'll notice that Windows (and also the entailing hardware) sales numbers are a matter of necessity. Nobody really upgrades just 'cause MS creates a new OS. But sometimes, the new OS comes along with critical support that makes the change viable, if not necessary.

      Win95 was just the big leap from CLI to GUI. Yeah, there was Win3.11 before, but it was little more than a frontend. Win95 was the big step ahead and people went and bought it because it really WAS a big step up.

      Win98 was pretty much Win95 "done right". It had everything you wanted, like a working Winsock implementation. The internet became a big thing and 98 made TCP/IP connections easy.

      Win2k was a bit of a hybrid of NT and 98, bringing the compatibility of 98 and the stability of NT together, so it was another big seller. And yes, I'm deliberately omitting ME. Notice how it didn't sell? Not just 'cause it was crap, but even if it had been halfway as good as 98, it didn't bring anything new that you needed. 2k also brought USB support (or at least, usable USB support...), so even if people didn't care about stability wanted to get it.

      XP was a "what for?" for long for me, but it does have its advantages over 2k. Better WiFi support was one thing. A lot of other goodies, not only the improved DirectX support, was certainly part of its appeal. Security became an issue eventually, and XP saw the beginning of an attempt to secure Windows.

      Vista and 7... well, they don't really bring any "must have" things to the user. Yes, the security is way superior to XP, but users don't care about such petty crap. It's not a selling point. Everything you'd want to plug into your computer already works with XP. Why upgrade?

      8 has even worse problems in this area. There is no really compelling reason to step up, get a new system and a new computer (since the average user gets both at the same time). There is no "must have" feature that users want in those systems, nothing they need or at least want.

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    17. Re:My theory by elashish14 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suggest that they add speed holes. I say they'll make the computer go faster.

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    18. Re:My theory by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, and make sure to slather on a thick coat of red paint. The red ones go faster.

    19. Re: My theory by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 5, Informative

      XP was the true NT/98 hybrid. Win2K was still firmly in the NT camp, with no Home version and much more expensive pricing.

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    20. Re:My theory by symbolset · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stripes, you fool! Speed stripes. And a spoiler.

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    21. Re:My theory by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you also need stickers of all the things you add, they add an additional 10 hp per sticker.

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    22. Re:My theory by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I often wonder what will happen first: Microsoft/Apple realising the error of their ways and making a useful UI, or users collectively sighing and sucking up the crap they are given.

      Put it this way, how many corporations have dumped their awful flash-sites? How many websites have you seen give up those hateful JS pop-ups, slide-outs, rolling banners, jiggly follow-me sidebars...? Or the "HEY WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUBSCRIBE INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY READING THE PAGE YOU CLICKED ON?!!! [Yes] [No but please ask me every fucking time]" pop-overs? Or "links" that are JS triggers that don't work like links, even though there's perfectly standard coding for JS pseudo-links? Or...

      How many websites of major newspapers don't use third-party ad-hosting because they have an entire fucking in-house marketing department for their print edition, thus solving 95% of the problem with people using ad-blocking software?

      How many major game companies stop requiring always-on net connections, or other obnoxious DRM, after having yet another first-week horrorshow on the authentication servers, which didn't stop pirates anyway, and instead decide to stop treating gamers who actually paid for the software as criminals?

      How many....

      Well, you get the idea. There's something about the corporate mindset that tends to just double-down on stupidity.

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    23. Re:My theory by friedmud · · Score: 5, Informative

      This pretty much means you aren't in any industry that has government contracts

      Not true. I work for a government research lab and we switched to GMail last year. Check it out: https://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/government/

    24. Re:My theory by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Corporate IT is happy with ThinPC, aka Windows Embedded Standard.

      Almost.

      In reality, the elephant in the room is not much bigger than your thumb.

      MK809 II Android 4.1 Mini PC HDMI Dual core 1GB RAM 8GB Bluetooth MK809II 3D + Fly air mouse RC11, US$34.47 / piece

      Plenty of SMEs in Asia are replacing their Windows desktops with these little gadgets plugged into a screen and USB hub with mouse and keyboard attached. They do the same job as a Windows box for a little over $35, and with far less fuss and effort to maintain.

      Microsoft isn't dumb - they have more than enough clever people to see the writing on the wall for their 85% OS profit margins, in fact I doubt MS could even afford to support Windows on their share of a $35 computer. W8 is indeed a lame duck product, intended for a market that's in a race to the bottom, as will be their next PC Office product.

      Microsoft HAS to migrate their customers away from Windows to survive.

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    25. Re: My theory by tftp · · Score: 5, Informative

      XP64 was poorly supported by driver developers. For Vista and 7 MS mandated that both 32-bit and 64-bit drivers must be available at the same time, or MS will not sign any of them. This helped. Another factor is that in XP days 2 GB or RAM was all that most people had, and 64-bit bought you nothing. Today there is probably no new PC out there that has less than 4 GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS is a necessity. RAM-hungry applications also come now as 64-bit builds; a build for XP64 was unheard of.

    26. Re:My theory by Genda · · Score: 5, Funny

      you also need stickers of all the things you add, they add an additional 10 hp per sticker.

      You mean RallyArt and Evolution stickers? Also rip the Type R badging off an old Honda. That'll add a least 25 HP to your laptop.

      Damned overclocking hooligans! Runnin' them souped up 8 core Xeons. and 6 core i7s. Mark my words, someone's gonna get themselves killed! Lolligagging all day, drinkin' orange and grape Nehi... braggin bout yer chrome, and cruisin the internet showin off all yer fancy puter hoohah!!! Git a job! Make somethin of yerself! Stop all that puter racin, an grow up!!!

    27. Re:My theory by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The key as always is what you are using the hardware for determines what type of hardware is best for you.

    28. Re:My theory by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Informative

      I used to tell folks that adding RAM would be their best speed upgrade, but now I tell them that an SSD is the best speed upgrade.

      The problem with giving this advice to unsophisticated users is that they will use the SSD in ways that tend to shorten its service life. It can be quite a shock to these users when they go to boot their machine one day and find it dead. Their experience with traditional hard drives, which rarely fail so badly and suddenly that there isn't at least a chance to move data off, may earn them a nasty surprise when their data is lost. If you recommend an SSD upgrade you should probably also recommend a traditional external hard drive as a backup device, with regular automated backups, and at least warn them that SSDs have a limited number of writes and can become unreadable with little or no warning.

    29. Re:My theory by Nivag064 · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops

      Linux laptops, no Microsoft Tax.

  2. Apple sales as well by blarkon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the original data, Apple sales dropped 7.5% as well. 's good to see that Windows 8 is killing Apple as well!

  3. Too bad for MS by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the Windows ME days there were no viable options for business to go to, except for NT which many were already using. They can't afford a colossal mistake every other OS release anymore. At this rate, they'd be better off keeping Windows 7 for twelve years, or however long XP went without a replacement. At least then they wouldn't be losing market share.

  4. Are tablet PCs counted as PCs or tablets? by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    An "important note" at the bottom of the ZDNet article explains that much of this drop is caused by the rise of convertible tablet PCs that run a PC operating system, which IDC counts as tablets, not PCs. Gartner appears to count them as PCs if they run a PC operating system, not a smartphone-derived, all-maximized-all-the-time operating system like iOS or Android.

  5. Jumped the shark by h8sg8s · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Windows is bad enough, but Windows + Ballmer is a disaster. MS could save itself with some new management.

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  6. Win8 Experience by camicarl0923 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have had Windosws 8 since before it came out (somehow my school got it a couple days before release...) and I can honestly say that I wouldn't recommend this to anybody. The new start menu, without a touch screen computer, is absolutely ridiculous. I found that I would go to my desktop as soon as I started my computer, and never use the start menu, ever. Sure, startup is fractionally faster, but the interface I would give a score of 2/10. I had to make desktop shortcuts just so I don't have to navigate through the cryptic menus just to shut down or restart. Speaking of the interface, Microsoft should seriously fire the people who are responsible for this garbage. Windows 7 was amazing. It was fast, sharp, and easy to use. Now Microsoft is going in a different direction, trying to make Windows 8 too easy. Like seriously, how the fuck am I supposed to use these native apps on a day-to-day basis? The interface is obnoxiously minimalist and is WAY too much hassle for the everyday user. I have a nice chuckle every time I see the Windows 8 commercials on tv about using their Surface Pro's in a work environment. No person in the technology industry in their right fucking mind would buy one of those to use for work. Soon, I'm gonna downgrade to Win7, and I recommend everyone else to do the same. Not surprised at all that Win8 pc sales are down, it only makes sense. Shitty product = shitty sales.

  7. The biggest problem is lack of options by toygeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I buy a new PC (I did buy one instead of build last year before windows 8 came out- for a quick gift to a friend in need) I would not hesitate to buy one with Windows 8 on it. I know how to install a program that'll make it friendlier for every day use. Or if I want I can put 7 back on it or a linux distro if I want. But for the average person, I see nothing but frustration from people.

    PC makers need to give options. 7 or 8 should be available. People will say that Linux should be available too, and I won't disagree, but I don't think it will give an overall good user experience from most PC makers. But that's not what this is about.

    This is about MS forcing vendors to force their customers to be guinea pigs for windows 8's new paradigm that totally sucks. Sales are down? GOOD. Maybe they'll get the message:

    THE NEW WINDOWS 8 GUI SUCKS.

  8. Microsoft removed the biggest anti-Linux argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "People won't switch to Linux/Android/whatever because they don't want to have to learn a new system."

    Microsoft: "I know, let's make everybody learn a new system!"

    Suddenly they've given their core customers a reason to look at their competition that they didn't have before.

  9. Re:Definition of Insanity by istartedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result" quote is only applicable if you "did the same thing" more than once and got poor results.

    Windows 7 was working. People would have upgraded eventually. It wouldn't have been a blowout, but this is a mature industry now. You can't expect blowouts unless you really innovate. In other words, Microsoft was getting good results, "did something different" and got poor results. The saner course of action is to go back to what they were doing, namely working on making their desktop robust, working to make it more secure, maintaining as much backward compatability as possible, and maintaining their Office suite and other products that have solid traction at corporations.

    If they wanted to get into mobile the "sane" way, they should have parallel tracked it like the X-box. When they introduced the X-box, they didn't turn the desktop experience into a console experience. That was their fundamental error--deciding that a mobile UI with lots of eye candy was the future, and imposing that on the rest of us.

    As for going OSS/FS, it's like telling Apple to release their OS separately. The response to that is "Apple is a hardware company", likewise, "Microsoft is a software company". Of course neither company is "pure" hardware or software; but they both get their "bread and butter" from one or the other.

    Definition of insanity? Doing something different just for the sake of it, especially when that something is contrary to your historicly successful business model and you are sitting on more than enough cash to help you make much better plans.

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  10. Like a refrigerator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    PCs are now like refrigerators. They are not obsolete, they are (for most people) essential household appliances. Just like your refrigerator, you don't need to replace your PC every year. Your PC may not last 10-15 years like your 'fridge, but 5 years is perfectly reasonable. Just like your 'fridge, you only need to replace your PC if it breaks, or goes out of style.

    The "death of the PC" has been overhyped. The PC isn't dead, it's just mature. Sales will stabilize at a sustainable level, barring some radical innovation. I'm a little afraid that people are really going to screw up the refrigerator trying to make it into something it isn't, trying to solve a problem that is unsolvable.

    OBTW, this will happen with mobile devices also. Mobile devices get beat up a little more, so they will tend not to last as long, but in the not two distant future the only legit reason to upgrade your phone/tablet will because the old one broke. I know several people still using the iPhone 3GS (4 years old).

  11. Bloatware, mobile, and good enough by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is the one two punch of abusive bloatware, and people having many needs met through mobile that have knocked the PC to the ground and then the kick to the face that a 5 year old machine is fine for most people's needs.

    Basically everyone who buys a nice machine from wherever boots it up and is presented with a pile of icons and popups that confuse/scare/annoy the crap out of them. Usually the browser is infested with "helpful" toolbars. The search engine has been redirected this way or that. And some crap like Norton pops up and tells them that they are going to die if they don't give them money. The Apple PC market is doing OK and I think that people are willing to pay the huge bucks because they turn the damn thing on and it works, no threats, no weirdness. I am not saying that the Mac is way better but that people would basically be just as happy turning on their Windows machine and being greeted with a default one icon for connecting to the internet unimpeded, no Asus Game world, Trial this or trial that.

    Then there is the fact that most people are consumers not generators of content. Thus a tablet or larger screened smart phone will get them all the cat videos they can eat. These smartphones aren't cheap and thus will eat up many people's technology budget.

    And lastly there is the point that many people who have a PC of some sort can keep it running and running. If they have a laptop their mobile phone might have reduced their porting it around and increased its lifespan even to the point where they don't care that the battery has 5 minutes of life when unplugged. If they have a desktop then the lifespan is even better seeing that most repairs (if any) should cost less than $100. My mother is using a desktop running Linux that is about 8 years old. She has a nice keyboard, nice mouse, nice B&W laser printer, and a nice monitor so she is quite happy. It runs gmail and can play youtube videos at full screen; an upgrade would be a foolish waste of money.

    In the past people upgraded their computers because they had some application that really wouldn't run on their old computer. Now about the only non professional (Photoshop, IDE, etc) application that demands an upgrade is the OS itself. So if you need an OS that can run a browser and some sort of Office Suite then why would you upgrade your OS.

    In the past I can remember getting Windows 95 and bouncing around when it booted up for the first time. It was such a vast improvement over 3.1.1. Then when I finally had a machine that could handle 2000 I was happy again. XP waited for a long time until some application or another wouldn't run and then I left the Microsoft embrace so got to largely avoid Vista on. Even with the Mac about the only reason I have upgraded my OS is that the latest versions of XCode wouldn't run on the slightly older versions of the Mac OS.

    As for games I just about lost my mind when I finally got a 3DFX card. But if anything gaming is probably the last thing keeping people buying the latest and greatest in the PC market. Personally I have long given up making my PC game friendly. I have an XBox for that.

    Personally if I were running MS beyond looking past a world where the OS and office suite drive the bus I would have a super research project where you create the killer app that requires that you have a PC with 100GB of ram and a crazy new processor.

    But maybe this whole PC dying thing is missing the point. Way in the past an IBM PC "killed" my commodore 64. And apple seems to be racing, with other, to a smart watch goal. This will mean that your average person will have a computer on their wrist, a computer in their pocket, computers in their car, computers in their work, multiple computers hooked up to their TV, and maybe(or maybe not) a computer on a desk at home. Yet if we scroll back say 13 years to the dot com boom most people had at most 1 computer that they paid well over $1000 for and a home network was exotic.

  12. No, this is Microsoft's doing. by Gordo_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, PC sales are on the decline. This we all know. So MS decided to tackle tablets in a big, audacious way in order to increase their relevance in the post-PC era. And it might have worked...

    HAD THEY NOT BEEN SO ARROGANT AS TO REMOVE THE GODDAMNED START MENU AND FORCED OLD PC HARDWARE TO USE THEIR TOUCHSCREEN UI!

    Seriously, how difficult would it have been to do a quick hardware check upon install and say "hmmm, it looks like you have a keyboard, mouse and non-touchscreen monitor. Let's make Metro an icon on the classic desktop and boot to explorer.exe with a mouse-friendly start menu by default."

    Personally, I think Windows 8 offers several welcome improvements over Win7. I installed the OS, downloaded and configured Classic Shell, and haven't so much as whiffed a Metro screen in at least 2 months on my PC. It's great for me, but I'm not your average Windows user! The masses are clueless and if you give them enough reason to dislike your product, you're doomed.

    MS, you successfully borrowed Steve Jobs' arrogant decision-making skills, but failed to deliver on the other half of the equation: an overall better user experience.

  13. The "lightweight" person that you mention by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is now the vast majority of non-business computing users.

    They want:

    (1) Web (95% of needs)
    (2) Office (5% of needs, and even then, only at a very rudimentary level)

    Didn't you notice when all of the big-box stores shut down and the software aisles at the Wal-Marts and Costcos got emptied out? Yes, there was a time when people had a shelf full of CDs and DVDs that they wanted to install on their "next computer."

    Those days are long gone.

    The baby boomers in my extended family are happy to be free of the complexity. They tell "remember when" stories about how hard computing used to be, and how confusing computers were before you could just do everything that you needed to do online, in Firefox (most of them switched to Firefox during its heyday and are now solidly married to it, even if other options have become competitive). Most of the things that used to be standalone applications they now do online:

    - Email (Google replaces Outlook)
    - To-do (Todoist, Toodledo, etc. replace Outlook)
    - Calendaring (Google replaces Outlook)
    - Contacts management (Google replaces Outlook)
    - Personal data management (Evernote replaces the file system)
    - Reference (Wikipedia replaces endless varieties of CD-ROM encyclopedias)
    - Entertainment (Social Gaming and YouTube replace CD-ROM gaming and multimedia)
    - Document editing (Google replaces Office)
    - Digital photos (Flickr/Facebook+Smartphone replace assorted "old" consumer digital photo apps+USB digital camera)
    - Music (Pandora replaces MP3 collections on hard drives)

    I teach a bunch of college kids at local U, and have done now in two states over the better part of a decade. In 2006, kids showed up with Thinkpads. Now they show up with iPads.

    In 2006, departmental policies often still required hardcopies of submitted work and installs of university-site-licensed educational software. These days, assignments are required to be submitted through online portals (Blackboard, Canvas, etc.) in digital form and devices like iPads are the *suggested* college study equipment. The Real Serious students get a bluetooth keyboard and the Pages app, but most of them type onscreen into Google Drive to do their work.

    Seriously, the applications argument is dead—just like the PC. Specialized fields and roles will still require it, but I suspect that over time even those will go the way of the dodo as mobile devices get more and more processing power and more and more users move to them—which will tend to produce as web apps or mobile apps those things that used to be PC apps.

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  14. And a turbo button! by AmazingRuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Computers just aren't as fast without the turbo button.