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US Gov't Blocks Sales To Russian Supercomputer Maker

Nerval's Lobster writes "T-Platforms, which manufactured the fastest supercomputer in Russia (and twenty-sixth fastest in the world), has been placed on the IT equivalent of the no-fly list. In March, the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security added T-Platforms' businesses in Germany, Russia and Taiwan to the 'Entity List,' which includes those believed to be acting contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States. U.S. IT companies are essentially banned from doing business with T-Platforms, especially with regards to HPC hardware such as microprocessors, which could be used for what the government views as illegal purposes. The rule, discovered by HPCWire, was published in March. According to the rule, Commerce's End-User Review Committee (ERC) believes that T-Platforms may be assisting the Russian government and military conduct nuclear research — which, given historical tensions between the two countries, apparently falls outside the bounds of permitted use. An email address that T-Platforms listed for its German office bounced, and Slashdot was unable to reach executives at its Russian headquarters for comment."

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  1. US vs. Russia & China by drinkydoh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These artificial limitations on what and with who US companies can work with are just creating a wall between US and other countries. The nations that mainly benefit from this are Russia and China and they can do a lot of business and even military research together. Not only that but Russia and China have always been good friends, even after soviet russia fell down.

    Therefore, both Russia and China wins and US loses.

    1. Re:US vs. Russia & China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...Russia and China have always been good friends, even after soviet russia fell down.

      I guess you never heard of the Sino-Soviet Split then? Other than that, I agree with you. The US is only harming itself by alienating Russia and China. They will now have more incentive to work together, and with the amount of money their economies are pulling in it will only be a matter of time before they overtake the West.

    2. Re:US vs. Russia & China by Minter92 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not only that but Russia and China have always been good friends, even after soviet russia fell down.

      Actually this statement is inaccurate. Russia and China have been antagonistic toward each other through most of the past. There was a short period of cooperation after the Chinese civil war but that quickly turned sour as the two countries differed in their approaches to communism. Relations only began to improve after the fall of the USSR

    3. Re:US vs. Russia & China by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's time to stop pretending all this is going to work. If anyone in the world wants software or hardware it's pretty easy to get it.

      It works as well as expected. It slows things down but doesn't pretend stop the flow of information completely. Nobody except the black and white brigade thinks otherwise. Slowing your enemy down is a useful strategic goal. And, in this case, Russia and China are enemies in the great game.

      And lots of things aren't 'easy' to get. You might get the part. You won't get much support. And in complex tech, support is often a deal breaker.

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    4. Re:US vs. Russia & China by poity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're making the assumption that the US's plan rests entirely in closing the "open market" gate. Of course it won't stop unwanted tech transfer, so of course it can't be the whole plan, because there will always be black markets and back channels. However, those routes are places where intelligence agencies thrive, and by limiting the avenues of sale, the US makes it more likely that the Russian company or their proxies stumble across CIA-compromised suppliers. It doesn't stop a determined buyer, but it will make that buyer think twice, use more diligence, and generally expend more time, effort and resources to avoid falling into such traps, which, given enough of these speed bumps, will make their project increasingly cost-prohibitive. That's what I think they're doing -- they know they can't stop it, so making Russia pay out the ass to accomplish their goal is the next best option.

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    5. Re:US vs. Russia & China by hjf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Argentina tried to buy 5 nVidia TESLA units. We bought 4 and when we ordered the 5th (a public university here in Argentina) the US export controls kicked in. They had to send someone to the US to explain why they wanted "so much computing power".

      We were developing a UHD 3D video codec.

      (We as in Argentina. I have no participation in that).

      Argentina is not China, Russia, and has never been an enemy, or at war, with USA.

    6. Re:US vs. Russia & China by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Sure sure, but does this really apply as well to your frenemies?

      Lets be serious, there is no real concern with the USSR having a nuclear program. If there is any country in the entire world where we have less interest in interfereing with their nuclear program, I don't know who it is. To call this a day late and a dollar short is being generous.

      So whats the REAL issue? Because this sort of pissing back and forth tends to be over far more petty and mundane issues than pretending to be actual enemies.

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    7. Re:US vs. Russia & China by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Except that Russia has changed a whole lot since the Soviet Union disintegrated, but for the US bureaucrats, nothing happened. Hence, in their foreign policy analysis, Russia is still considered an enemy, which is why you see moronic Western support to Chechnya, Bosnia, Kosovo and anything that's anti-Slavic.

    8. Re:US vs. Russia & China by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      You can use that argument against any economic system that you want to justify that failed.

      They referred to themselves as communist - western media did not start that label.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

    9. Re:US vs. Russia & China by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      These artificial limitations on what and with who US companies can work with are just creating a wall between US and other countries.

      The wall is full of holes. Companies can still sell equipment to a middleman that then resells to Russia. Even if this is forbidden, it is completely unenforceable if the middleman is not a US company.

    10. Re:US vs. Russia & China by cusco · · Score: 2

      Back in the '80s IBM was prohibited from selling computers to the USSR by the US government. They built a factory in Tacna, Peru, and that subsidiary merrily sold the Soviets all the computers they could come up with cash for.

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    11. Re:US vs. Russia & China by cusco · · Score: 2

      Argentina doesn't cooperate nicely with the New York bankers any more. They're paying off loans early, not selling of their infrastructure for pennies on the dollar, and generally acting like they're more concerned for the benefit of their own citizens rather than the mega-corporations. In Washington DC that's seen as 'hostile' actions.

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  2. Well, of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot was unable to reach executives at its Russian headquarters for comment."

    Executive's secretary: "Sir, Slashdot wants to talk to you."

    Russian Executive: *rolling eyes* "That's OK. No need to respond I know what they're going say. 'In Soviet Russia Super Computers you!'"

    1. Re:Well, of course! by gtirloni · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who cares about Russian supercomputers. I think Slashdot attempting to check the facts is the big news here.

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  3. Hi, this is Timothy from Slashdot... by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi, this is Timothy from Slashdot, I'd like to speak to...

    *click*

    I find it very amusing to think of Timothy calling up a company in Russia for comment on why they just got blacklisted by the US Gov't. I'm not sure why, though it could be because every time I see his name on the editor line I think of the monkey from ThinkGeek.

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  4. friends...enemies.....wtf? by stanlyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it is to use russian space station, they are good enough to be friends, but if it is to actually lend them some computer power, they become enemy!!! No, really, what the heck!
    And, just for the record, i don't see how this ban would stop them to buy the parts directly from the manufacturer, China.

    1. Re:friends...enemies.....wtf? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you ever stopped to consider that human relationships are complicated? People write books about this sort of thing. Plays and movies even. Tears are shed, bottles of booze drank and broken. Wars started. Wars ended.

      I mean, people Tweet about this stuff!

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  5. Hi, welcome to Toys 'R Us! May I help you? by RevWaldo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Da, may I have 10,000 PS4s please?

    .

  6. LOL; does not matter by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Our executives have been offshoring all of our technology. As such, all we did was move this company over to China who using our technology, some stolen, but far too much was given. Just for a few dollars.

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  7. Re:US vs. Russia by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes, those who lose, will come back to defeat you. Ask Europe how that works out.

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  8. Anything related to Nuke research is controlled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is fairly common knowledge in the electronics industry, that anything that can be used in nuclear weapon R&D is export controlled and taken very seriously by the Commerce department. I work for a company that makes extremely fast oscilloscopes. We can't sell anything without an export license that can acquire data faster than a certain sample rate to Russia, Isreal, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, and several other countries due to nuclear non-proliferation. This is a separate restriction from ITAR, which bans anything related to weapons R&D from export without a license. This doesn't mean that you can't export these things, just that you need approval to do it. Much of Europe and countries who are friendly with the US have similar legal constraints.

  9. Ban Microsoft by sinuscavity · · Score: 2

    In response Russia should ban someone like Microsoft for working against its foreign policy interests. Russia is already a nuclear power -- what advantages or threats is this going to bring to the world? This is about undermining Russian industry and nothing else. It's a sort of economic warfare.

  10. Out of business by T.E.D. · · Score: 3, Funny

    An email address that T-Platforms listed for its German office bounced, and Slashdot was unable to reach executives at its Russian headquarters for comment."

    That's because T-Platforms has gone out of business. Most unfortunate.

    However, there's somebody here from a new supercomputer company "U-Platforms", that would like to speak with you about purchasing some HPC microprocessors...

  11. T-platforms is a Russian company by Mike_EE_U_of_I · · Score: 3, Informative

    T-platforms is a Russian company headquartered in Moscow. This is no more surprising than Boeing selling military equipment to the USA.

  12. Export control on computers needs to stop by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    US export control on computers needs to stop. The need for it ended decades ago. All US nuclear weapons were designed with computers below 10 MIPS, and in many cases below 1 MIPS. (The most recent US nuclear weapon design is from the mid-1970s.) The problem isn't getting any harder.

  13. They could use ARM by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    ARM CPU's manufactured at TSMC completely removes the US from the supply chain. Paying royalties to a British company and manufacturing in Taiwan.