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Rep. Mike Rogers Dismisses CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeter On the Internet"
gale the simple writes "Mike Rodgers made a minor splash Tuesday when he decided to liken CISPA opponents to 14-year-old basement dwellers. The EFF, naturally, picked up on this generalization and asked everyone to let the representative know that it is not just the 14-year-olds that care about privacy."
I resemble that remark!
Title says it all. EFF page says nothing was found.
It has an extra lowercase "l" at the end, remove that and it works.
Should be leading here
If computers were people, I'd be a misanthrope.
This 50 something year old say FU Mike, and facebook and google too. You are welcome to your big brother future, but leave the rest of us out of it.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Who do you trust more, really?
Teens in their basement, or slimebag politicians in washington?
At least we know teenagers in their basements aren't taking money from special corporate intrests trying to fuck us all over.
My first thought was...after sitting down and discussing it with his 14 year old nephew, it must all have gone over Rodgers' head, and he didn't learn anything. Hey, next time let the kid write the legislation, leave it to the experts.
Chaos, panic, disorder...my work here is done.
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The us congress need less Reps like Rogers. They need people that will actually go outside the corporate bubble.
But what does it matter how old I am? Is this law bad? Yes.
I used to be
We need the same backing we had against SOPA for this. They're selling this way too hard towards the common users that we saw fighting with us agains SOPA. This is the wrong approach. The internet should be free, and regulated by those of those who contribute to it, not the government. They don't know what they're talking about in this issue, they use the phrase "tweeter", and all together we can realise that those are not the people who we need to help make the internet a better place. Right now we have more freedom on the internet than ever. The moment they lock us down... http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan
Honestly, 14 year olds tend not to be remotely aware of the evils of bills like CISPA. In my experience it's the best and brightest segment of society that's united against this nonsense. On the other hand, 14 year olds are quite familiar with answering criticism with a false ad hominem attack.
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If you want congressmen to take your opinion seriously, you need to speak in the only language they understand... votes. Someone needs to start a crowd-funded super PAC that specifically targets politically vulnerable candidates who opposed privacy. Start running negative ads in their home districts and you may see a change, but last I checked no one in Washington gives a crap about what is posted on /.
14 year olds care about privacy? Really? REALLY? Hello, there's a website we'd like to introduce you to Mr. Congresscritter. It's called Facebook. You should find out what happens there sometime.
Is it just me or has the rate of public officials mouthing off like children increased? Don't these people have any dignity anymore? (That last is a rhetorical question...)
Rep. Mike Rogers == Insensitive Clod
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
You have just funded your opposition, and if I didn't consider it a near-certainty that you were in a contrived electoral district that would re-elect you for anything short of being caught with a dead 14 year old in your bed, that would spell your doom.
As it stands, there's always some hope.
Republicans doing sweeping generalizations...
They always do that sort of thing
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"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
Heh I'll reply to you. Yeah, this one is a pretty bad mis-step.
I won't even use logic because that's too hard for this person. Let's stay at the Pre-logic level that the dev. psychologists say works for children.
Age 14. Really?! SO many things wrong with that age metaphor. Let's try to keep it obvious.
14 year olds can't vote.
So what are they doing, brainwashing their older brothers and sisters?!
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Unfortunately, the man has something of a point. There are a lot of 14-year-old basement dwellers in the anti-CISPA crowd, and a lot of people who just want to get their entertainment without paying for it. In short, a significant number of the people who oppose CISPA are doing it for the wrong reasons. CISPA is wrong, but so are they.
Those of us who care about the real issues might do well to disassociate ourselves from the creepers and the pirates. Even they need protection, but let's not kid ourselves, that's more a matter of logistics than principle: protection is meaningless if it doesn't protect everyone, and so they get a pass in order to make it work at all. Their voices in this debate only harm the side they fight for. But this presents a problem: how the heck would a community like this disassociate itself from its less savory members?
It's a shame he only cares about one part of the bill of rights.
So are we going to have this song and dance every year?
1. Politicians introduce legislation against common people's interests.
2. Initial concerns over privacy/abuse of power are voiced.
3. Companies of all sorts voice support, and how much it is needed.
4. Apparently clueless politicians make statements minimizing critics as somehow insignificant.
5. Huge outrage swells up from 'the people'
6. Politicians and Companies back-pedal
7. Last clueless politician stays the course.
8. Bill dies.
9. ???
10. Rince and Repeat
Because I believe I am substantially older than 14 years old and I oppose the CISPA.
I'm fairly sure the President of the USA is not a 14 year old tweeter.
A congress-critter who doesn't understand legislation's effect on technology. Will wonders never cease!
"To stop the terrorists."
It's not just you, but I wouldn't slander the Kids!
(Have we forgotten that meme that fast, that all the cyber bills are For The Kids?!)
They are mouthing off, but not kids - some kind of weird way they think the "mood is right" and they can get away with it.
Any 3 of these 10 stories would have been career enders Back In The Day.
But there's some kind of magic going on - they can say *absolutely anything* and still keep their elected posts.
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If you have not yet figured it out, there is no line between Democrat and Republican any longer. They are all on the same team, and hint: it is not your team. Keep thinking they differ and the same will continue. They want us bickering over rep. Vs dem. and black vs white, and atheist vs religious , or anything else that keeps you from watching what they are doing.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
He claims that Silicon Valley CEO's support this bill. Well, let's see. Google never took a stance, Facebook and Microsoft rescinded their support, while AT&T and Verizon (big surprise), IBM, Intel and McAfee support it (didn't Intel buy McAfee?)
So no, Silicon Valley CEO's do NOT all support it - and even if they did, it isn't a ringing endorsement against privacy concerns. After all, what does the CEO know about the technical ramifications? In many cases (esp. for long established companies), they are business school graduates. They know that they are now off the hook for breaking privacy contracts. Gee, I'm surprised that some companies don't support it!
And for the love of God, can it be made illegal to give cool sounding names to acts and bills that sound all "PATRIOT-ic"? Not that I expect the politician who writes the bills is dumb enough to believe that they are rally helping their country (instead of their political backers), but it stops silly soundbites like "My opponent voted against the CyberSecurity bill".
...Mike isn't going to be able to go after the 14 year old tweeter for a TOS violation under CFAA, as the TOS at Twitter do not seem to have a minimum age requirement that he would be violating.
As someone on the far side of 40 from the described 14 year old, I have to say that I appreciate that 14 year olds who are opposed to CISPA are aware that this will have an affect on their privacy, and are being vocal about it. It suggests that civic responsibility is recognized as part of one's personal sense of duty to our youth, which suggests that at least someone is paying attention to their school classes, which may be counter to what Mike expects of any of the public, much less the 14 year olds out there. It also suggests that a 14 year old is more aware of the issues involved than this sitting representative. While I think that's a positive reflection on our youth, I think it's a very poor reflection on at least one of our representatives in Congress.
You never know...
Look, this guy may be an out of touch jackass, but what he should have said was "These people are not my constituents, and they did not elect me". Look people, I don't call and harass elected representatives from YOUR state and district. He is accountable first to his constituents (the people who voted for him to be precise), THEN to his state, THEN to the nation. remember, his vote on a bill is supposed to be his district's vote. and let's be honest, we don't know how many of them feel the way we do. Call YOUR representatives in Congress, and let THEM know how you feel about the bill. That is the appropriate and fair thing to do in this case.
We already know Republicans are totally out of touch. Nothing new here. Move along.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
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@RepMikeRogers I wonder if calling me a 14yro in a basement & implying I'm uneducated&unprosperous bc I disagree with you counts as slander
"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." - S. G. Colette
I'm 45 and it is still not okay for my parents to come into the basement without knocking first!
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Who?
That's how it should be. When you hear the name of a representative or senator that you recognize, that person has been in office for a while. They should be ousted and brought back only after a term hiatus.
Every year or more often, it seems, we have yet another jaw-droppingly fascist and Orwellian proposition to fight.
Some wrinkly old dipshit psychopath completely disconnected from reality, at the behest of his (or her, but mostly his) corporate cronies, makes some astoundingly malevolent proposition to sacrifice the rights of everyone but himself and selected entitled individuals. We then have to step up and expend an enormous amount of time and energy battling to retain the rights we should be able to take for granted. Time and energy that could otherwise be used constructively.
If this becomes a big enough threat, the response needs to be alike to that of SOPA. Even after the people won, they rubbed it in: practically half the web went dark and DC went batshit. It's been little more than a year since then, have they already forgotten or has the dark lens of pure evil blinded them that much?
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/04/17/bonus_quote_of_the_day.html
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Age 14. Really?! SO many things wrong with that age metaphor. Let's try to keep it obvious.
14 year olds can't vote.
I think that's the point of the insult: Rep. Mike Rogers was trying to say that the people making anti-CISPA posts on the Internet are immature and irrelevant. In other words, that there is no real opposition to CISPA. This, of course, is absurd, but the problem with his statement is that it is false and ad hominem, not that is it inconsistent.
Sounds like something a 14-year-old would say.
Way to construct a straw man and burn it down, girl. Can you please show me were did I say: "democracy IS..."?
I said "... in a democracy... " (it's like saying: "A required condition(s) for democracy is/are...").
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
In 3 to 4 years, these 14 year olds in their basements will be VOTING 17 (primaries)/18 year olds. Dissing your future electorate is not a good way to keep your seat. Anyway, this soon to be 50 year old has a great deal of concern over the way US computer related statutes are being drafted, even though I'm not even a US citizen, but a UK citizen
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Lets assume for the sake of argument, that he is right. And the only people who care about privacy are 14 year olds... Is he saying that they don't deserve their privacy? Won't he at least think of the children?
Wish I had a basement to stick my 14 year old in.
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
It took me all of three minutes to isolate his Flash Cookie.
My my my. Just LOOK at what he's been doing!
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Either he doesn't understand the implications of the bill, even after his 14 year old nephew (who quite obviously does) tried, and tried hard enough for him to remember it, to explain it to him.
Or he does understand it very well, but someone is spending enough to make him push it through.
So which is it, Representative? You incompetent or a ho?
You called me a 14 year old, don't wonder when I respond like one.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If you don't like the turd sammich anymore, there's still the giant douche.
In other words, yes, he can say anything. 'cause the only other guy you can vote in is about the same pile of crap, and a lot of people catch on.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The "14-year-old" crack is of course code for "the complainers don't count becase they don't donate money to anybody". IMHO, that's even more aggrevating.
So are you little angry about being insulted by this corporate puppet? Well, there is a way you can get back at him. Show your displeasure in a way he understand.
Donate money to his opponent.
There's a Democrat trying to challenge Mike Rogers, by the name of Lance Enderle. I don't know too much about the guy, but he has apparently pledged to take no PAC money. So he may be a drooling pinhead, but if you donate he'll at least be your drooling pinhead, and not the RIAA's.
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well, they cant vote for him so why should he care ;)
If 14 year olds oppose a law that is simply evil than more power to them. Means that the kiddies are smart than the schmoe that's trying to diss them. Fuck you Mr. Mike Rogers.
However I'm quite sure that it ain't the case and that he labels everyone that does not think like him and the lobby groups he works for as being stupid/immature. Well, I said it before and now I say it again, "fuck you Mr. Mike Rogers"
if they were all 14 year old's, you'd think he'd refrain from dismissing their opinions.... since they'll be voting in just 4 more years, the length of one term in office for Mike Rogers.
always trying to shove something down a 14 year old boy's throat.
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Even using your own example of it's like saying: "A required condition(s) for democracy is/are..."
you should be able to see that your example is specific for the democracy that is the United States of America as defined by the articles of the Constitution and the various Amendments I cited earlier. These specific articles and amendments apply specifically to the U.S.A. and do not apply generally to the concept of a "democracy" in the general sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#History.
For the general definition of a democracy as defined by the Greeks, please see the three wikipedia articles below, all of which cite numerous references. Democracy refers to "ruling by the people" or "power held by the people" rather than by someone above or over the people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
He must have taken the same privacy (or rather anti-privacy) course as our own Vic Toews (Canada's Public Safety Minister) - known for his comment "you can either stand with us, or with the child pornographers", during discussion of the Omnibus Crime Bill C-30. http://bit.ly/ZwWNZ5