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Most Projects On GitHub Aren't Open Source Licensed

PCM2 writes "Kids these days just don't care about open source. That's the conclusion of the Software Freedom Law Center's Aaron Williamson, who analyzed some 1.7 million projects on GitHub and found that only about 15% of them had a clearly identifiable license in their top-level directories. And of the projects that did have licenses, the vast majority preferred permissive licenses such as the MIT, BSD, or Apache licenses, rather than the GPL. Has the younger generation given up on ideas like copyleft and Free Software? And if so, what can be done about it?" Not having an identifiable license is one thing, but it seems quite a stretch to say that choosing a permissive open source license is "not caring"; horses for courses.

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  1. Open Source License by bestgjs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The vast majority preferred permissive licenses such as the MIT, BSD, or Apache licenses, rather than the GPL. Has the younger generation given up on ideas like copyleft and Free Software?

    No, they haven't. They've just noticed that licenses like BSD is better open source license than GPL. There's a simple reason for it too - BSD license is truly in the spirit of freedom. Anyone, either open or closed source projects, can use BSD licensed code.

    This means younger generation haven't forgotten about open source licenses (BSD is one), they've just chosen the better one of them.

    1. Re:Open Source License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words: this generation doesn't care for limiting other developers' choices in development in the way Stallman wanted. They prefer to just give away the code instead of forcing everyone who uses it to open their own work. Good for this generation, I'd say. They've seen the outcome of a "GPL-only" world, and they didn't like it.

    2. Re:Open Source License by Microlith · · Score: 5, Informative

      They've just noticed that licenses like BSD is better open source license than GPL.

      I love it when people take subjective opinion and present it as if it were fact. Going BSD does mean you give up on copyleft.

      BSD license is truly in the spirit of freedom. Anyone, either open or closed source projects, can use BSD licensed code.

      It depends on your goals. GPL is very clear in its intent to keep the sources of the software it covers open, and that necessarily excludes closed source projects.

    3. Re:Open Source License by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, commentary on licenses, particularly BSD vs. GPL, falls into the purview of Poe's law. They could be trolling, or they could be totally serious and there's no way to tell.

    4. Re:Open Source License by Microlith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      this generation doesn't care for limiting other developers' choices in development in the way Stallman wanted.

      Ooh, I can twist this one around:

      this generation doesn't care to preserve the freedom of others in using their computers, the way Stallman wanted

      That's a good one!

      They've seen the outcome of a "GPL-only" world, and they didn't like it.

      What exactly would be the outcome of a "GPL-only" world?

    5. Re:Open Source License by drakaan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Closed-source projects can't be distributed under the GPL (that would be in direct conflict with the terms of the license...you have to make source code available, including any modifications you have made...at least for code that you distribute)...I think that's the degree of exclusion the OP was talking about.

      That doesn't mean you can't run a closed-source program on a GPL-licensed OS stack.

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    6. Re:Open Source License by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

      The GPL doesn't exclude closed source projects.

      It does. You can't take GPL sources and integrate them into a closed source product.

      Otherwise stuff like Word Perfect, Oracle, SimCity 3000, and Steam wouldn't exist for Linux. Free Software can co-exist quite peaceably with coders that want you to pay for their work.

      This suggests that you don't understand the point you're trying to make. The GPL does not cover the products you listed.

    7. Re:Open Source License by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's in fact the key difference, and interestingly each side more or less agrees. The "free software" side's key interest is the freedom of users to modify their hardware and software, and distribute those modifications: the freedom-to-hack. The "open source" side's key interest is the freedom of developers to reuse software in a distributed, "bazaar" manner. Sometimes the goals overlap, and sometimes not.

    8. Re:Open Source License by HiThere · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you write the code, the GPL doesn't prevent you from including it in commercial products. You're the copyright holder, so you can relicense it to suit yourself.

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    9. Re:Open Source License by verbatim · · Score: 5, Funny

      I much prefer Godwin's law. After all, Hitler supported the GPL.

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    10. Re:Open Source License by nametaken · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this generation doesn't care to preserve the freedom of others in using their computers, the way Stallman wanted

      You can complain all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people want their code to be more open and available than gpl allows, when they think it's appropriate. That their decision.

      What exactly would be the outcome of a "GPL-only" world?

      A world with less freedom than a world where we can choose the license we want? Why are you so upset by people doing what they want with their own work?

    11. Re:Open Source License by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most will be serious, and most will be AWARE that their posts are making strawmen of the license they disapprove of, but that wont stop the posts.

      Seriously, who among GPL proponents is not aware of the BSD arguments / goals? Who among BSD proponents doesnt get what Stallman et al are going for? Do you REALLY think they hate freedom, do you REALLY not understand that they are concerned with different "freedom" than you are?

    12. Re:Open Source License by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BSD license is truly in the spirit of freedom.

      The BSD license says, "I will not use copyright to impose regulatory monopoly restrictions on you, but you can incorporate my work in a derivative work which imposes regulatory monopoly restrictions on others."

      The GPL says, "I will use the regulatory monopoly restriction of copyright in the narrowest way that prohibits the use of my work in any greater exercise of monopoly restrictions on others."

      The BSD license uses your copyright to maximize the freedom of primary recipients of your work. The GPL uses your copyright to maximize the freedom of secondary recipients of your work. Claiming that one is objectively more free betrays a lack of comprehension.

    13. Re:Open Source License by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I first considered Gnu Scientific Library, but if I used this I would have to GPL my own code

      If you think so, you're suffering a major failure of imagination. You can always find a practical way for non-GPL code to interact with GPL code that doesn't subject it to the GPL. Worst case, you build a light-weight wrapper around the GPL code and run it in a separate process. The beauty of it is that the authors of the GPL code can't even say nay: the GPL expressly forbids them from modifying it terms to disallow that higher level interaction.

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    14. Re:Open Source License by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No my argument is that if the FSF wanted GPL software to be used only with other GPL software, they'd have written the license that way. They didn't. They wrote the license so that if you link with the code yours becomes GPL but if you merely use the programs together, it doesn't. So, make your improvements to the GPL code, release your improvements to the GPL code and if you want to keep the rest of your application closed source then do it. We'll appreciate what you chose to contribute and those of us with a brain will respect your choice for the things you chose not to contribute. We probably won't use the closed source parts, but we'll respect your choice.

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    15. Re:Open Source License by istartedi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This line of reasoning also brings us down another familiar path--the cognitive dissonance among Free Software folks concerning "theft". When you discuss "piracy" they are all on board with the idea that "IP can't be stolen because it isn't property, and you still have the first copy", but when you mention permissive licensing they immediately complain that it allows companies to steal code.

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  2. It's a matter of trust by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really like the GPL, I like what it is trying to do.

    But over time I've gravitated to BSD like licenses, because I really do want as many people as possible using something.

    It's a matter of trust - I trust that generally others will do the right thing, and good changes will come back. It's re-enforced by the fact that contributing code back makes it was easier to absorb updates to the main codebase, selfishly keeping your updates private makes lots of extra work for you over time.

    The GPL tries to enforce something that will happen naturally, which I feel is overkill.

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    1. Re:It's a matter of trust by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It depends on the kind of code for me. With machine-learning or statistics code, I generally prefer GPL, because I don't really think Mathematica, Matlab, or Excel should be able to use my work for free without giving something back. If they don't want to GPL their own software, they can purchase a proprietary license from me, just like I have to purchase one from them to use their products. But I ain't giving them a free one.

    2. Re:It's a matter of trust by Microlith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In the case of commercial applications, I like to think of the GPL as the asking price for my software. You're always free to re-negotiate if it's too high.

    3. Re:It's a matter of trust by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget who said it:

      I learn politics and war now, so my children can learn math and engineering, and my grandchildren art and poetry.

      RMS fought for the GPL, so the next generation could have the BSD/Apache likes, and the next generation could not have to worry about licenses at all.

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    4. Re:It's a matter of trust by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a matter of trust - I trust that generally others will do the right thing, and good changes will come back.

      This is optimistic, like the tragedy of the commons. It's also worth mentioning that there are several times in history when companies used open source code, and wouldn't have given back if it weren't for the GPL requiring it. For example, that is why GCC includes Objective-C support. NeXT wouldn't have given that back at all if they weren't required.

      Microsoft released it's Hyper-V code due to the GPL. They wouldn't have if the kernel had been BSD licensed. Many mobile companies only release the modifications to Android that are required under the GPL. If it weren't for the GPL, they likely wouldn't release the drivers either, and projects like CyanogenMod would be a lot harder. There's a long list of source code that we have because of the GPL.

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  3. Missing the point. by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see the two comments up top completely missing the point, as does the original submitter.

    only about 15% of them had a clearly identifiable license in their top-level directories.

    This is why. And this is because they don't understand copyright law and don't realize that unless they explicitly put the code into the public domain or apply a license, no one can touch it without violating copyright law.

    It's probably a mixture of that and outright laziness.

  4. real software projects? by ssam · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am sure most of those 1.7 million projects have no aspiration to become a real software project. do they have a website, mailing list/forum, releases, users? or are they just random little scripts, snippits and exercises, just put on line for the education of others?

    For a large piece of coding i might care about getting bug fixes back. for the script i use to sort my digital photos in to folders based on the date in their exif, and is 50% lines pasted from documentation or stack exchange, i don't care. if you want to know which licences are used for serious projects then grab the top hundred or thousand from ohloh and check them.

  5. No license by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have uploaded the meagre, puny code that I've written in a small number of projects without bothering with a license. I expect people to steal it and be quiet about it, because I am the noise floor of github.

    Frankly for most projects on github (1.7 million is not a small number of computer software projects), legalese is a bother. It is simply uncouth and considered harmful.

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  6. Re:BSD license by geek · · Score: 4, Informative

    I personally prefer the BSD license. To me freedom means "do whatever you want with it," as soon as you start attaching strings and restrictions it's no longer free.

    Then why not make it public domain? Why attach a license at all?

    Good question. Because without a specific license attached companies and individuals alike wont touch it. The default is "all rights reserved" meaning its not open unless specifically stated. You retain rights until you explicitly give them up. Hope that makes sense, I'm not a lawyer and may not have explained it in the best of terms.

  7. False Dichotomy by slackergod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but the entire premise that there is one "best" open source license is completely wrong. Where did this obsession arise to see one license crowned victor over all others, in all situations?

    BSD (and MIT and variants) -- I've found they work best for providing backend and reference libraries, which by their nature are trying to provide a standard implementation of something, or at least a standard API. Open and closed sourced projects alike can use and modify it to suit their needs. This means such a library gets the widest adoption over the alternatives (all other factors being equal). This is especially great for server-side programs which want to promote multiple third-party clients - just release a BSD reference client.

    LGPL -- A step down, for when you want the adoption level of a BSD license, but your project is complex and high maintenance enough that it needs to keep all the developers focused on a single api and codebase in order to thrive. Graphics libraries like GTK, audio processing libraries like LAME, are a great example of this.

    GPL -- Finally, for the same reasons as LGPL, your want everyone contributing back to a single codebase, whether it's because you don't want to give the codebase away to closed source products that then profit from it, prevent brand confusion, or just maximize developer contributions. Mind you, closed source projects *will* choose an LGPL/BSD alternative over this or closed source, so it doesn't make much sense for libraries, etc. Primarily, this is useful for applications, which are vying for user (not developer) eyeballs.

    So given they all have different uses that fit better for different project types and target markets, who in their right minds thinks only one of these licenses is correct?

  8. Re:I agree with all but the flame bait.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Meh, there's plenty of substantial work (coulda-been-paid-for-it) on GitHub.

    However, it's is nearly all web-related. And the GPL doesn't offer much for web code, because the resulting application is rarely "distributed" beyond the company who built it. BSDish licenses are just a better fit for what they're trying to accomplish.

  9. Re:BSD license by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To me freedom means "do whatever you want with it,"

    That's exactly the freedom the GPL guarantees. The GPL guarantees that every user of the software will have the freedom to do whatever they want with it. The only things prohibited by the GPL are actions that remove the freedom of others.

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  10. Free Software in its working clothes by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, even RMS refers to the BSD and Apache licenses as "GPL-compatible free software". So the GPL and other two popular licenses, BSD and Apache, are all free software by the Free Software Definition. The difference is that GPL is a copyleft license and the Apache and BSD licenses aren't.

    Why are the Apache and BSD licenses becoming more popular than the GPL? Because free software has grown up. Where I work, we would not dream of implementing the whole software stack from scratch. We use lots of open-source libraries. My company's legal department is allergic to the full GPL because they want to keep open the option to do exactly what the GPL is designed to forbid -- make a proprietary product using open-source code. Usually our code is custom developed for a specific client but we might want to re-use that and/or make a general purpose product some day.

    So, for us, using Apache/BSD licenses is easy. It's almost frictionless. Legal is comfortable with them, and pretty much all we have to do is include the license file and do a quick audit to make sure we've complied with it. GPL is much harder for us to work with because we have to justify to legal why we're signing away the rights before the product is even developed.

    The whole point of the Open Source Initiative, as I understand it, is to promote adoption and use of free software. It turns out that copyleft is {sometimes, often} a barrier to that in the business world. So I would say that "open source" (aka non-copyleft) has simply beaten "copyleft" in the marketplace.

    Copyleft was a brilliant idea but non-copyleft free libraries are what I use in day-to-day development work. And I say that as a dyed-in-the-wool, sandals-wearing, free-as-in-freedom, latte-sipping, corporation-hating hippie wannabe.

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  11. Re:GPL is poison to many business models. by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to the point. If you aren't willing to open source your code as well, then I don't want you to use mine. You can pay someone to write your own version. Pay in cash or pay in code, but no free ride to businesses.

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  12. Younger? Er, what? by seebs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am pretty sure I'm not the younger generation.

    And yes, I've pretty much abandoned the GPL, because the GPLv3 is to open source what the anti-circumvention cause in the DMCA is to copyright. RMS had a vision of a cooperative paradise. Then he realized that some people wouldn't play nice, and did what everyone else does when they realize that not everyone will voluntarily adopt the business models they want everyone to use. Tried to figure out a way to make it happen by force.

    So, yeah, I'll use the GPL where it's the established license, and some of the stuff I work on ends up being put out under LGPL. But for stuff I write because I want it to be open source? Permissive licenses. Usually the lightweight BSD (no advertising clause) or Artistic, or heck, public domain. My goal is to give stuff away, not to force other people to give stuff away.

    It's the same thing that's happened to my morality over the years; I've started focusing more on living according to my own moral beliefs, and less on trying to find ways that society can force other people to do so too.

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