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Secret Chat Between Julian Assange and Eric Schmidt Published By WikiLeaks

New submitter milkasing writes "The Verge reports, 'Google chairman Eric Schmidt and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange secretly met in 2011 and held a lengthy interview, according to a transcript published on the whistleblowing site. The leak is surprisingly timely — Schmidt was apparently conducting research with Jared Cohen for the pair's book The New Digital Age, which is set to be released on Tuesday. Assange was under house arrest in England at the time the five-hour conversation took place. The conversation is a fascinating look into the minds of the two men, both of whom have had immeasurable impact on issues surrounding technology over recent years."

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  1. fascinating look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place" - Eric Schmidt

    What a great guy!

    1. Re:fascinating look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I write bad poetry/ am gay but not out/ have cancer. I can think of many different things that people don't necessarily want to tell the world but aren't amoral acts. "I'm ashamed of X because X is questionably moral" and "I don't want to announce X because I'm embarrassed" are not the same thing.

    2. Re:fascinating look by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your mother would have given you exactly the same advice.

      Exactly, because no mother has ever been know to give anyone a bad advice.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    3. Re:fascinating look by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude, didn't you pick up ANY context of what he was saying?

      Here we go:

      "People are treating Google like their most trusted friend. Should they be?"

      "I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place, but if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines including Google do retain this information for some time, and it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that, that information could be made available to the authorities."

      You should really take that as a not-too-subtle reminder that the cops are looking over his shoulder and he's required by law to turn all your info over to the cops.

      If all your little brain is capable of retaining is the bold section, then big issues like Internet privacy might not be for you.

    4. Re:fascinating look by lars · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's been something like three years since Schmidt said that, and people are still quoting it out of context (facepalm). The comment was in reference to activities performed using Google's services, and was qualified with "the reality is that search engines including Google do retain this information for some time, and it's important, for example that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities."

      People need to realize that spreading knee-jerk misconceptions like this is damaging to Internet activism. You aren't helping the privacy cause by building up straw men instead of attacking the actual problematic stuff. The members of congress who support this legislation and the corporations backing them must be loving that so many people are ignoring them to instead focus on telling everyone how bad Schmidt and Google are.

  2. In what way is this a 'leak'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a publication. Assange reserved the right to view/review/approve the transcript and presumably is doing this for the benefit of both sides. It benefits Assange that he gets to publish the precise transcript to rebut any criticism that they talked about anything else. Schmidt gains the same protection (ZOMG Google Chief Talks To Known Criminal About... What?) and also some pre-launch publicity. This interview is presumably not the underpinning of his entire book, nor featured in entirety as an excerpt, so it's not a leak of the content of the book either.

  3. Re:I wondered by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Lee Iacocca built Chrysler into a powerhouse, he said he didn't know anything about how to build a car.

    You may be shocked to discover that CEOs specialize in running companies. They don't have to be expert engineers. And given Schmidt's previous statements (that people with nothing to hide shouldn't be so worried about privacy) I can understand why he'd never have an interest in TOR.

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  4. Re:I wondered by cffrost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think Eric Schmidt just doesn't get anonymity or privacy as applied to individuals (except when it applies to himself — then he's an expert lobbyist).

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    Thank you, Edward Snowden.

    "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
  5. Re:Rapists! by fredprado · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he was guilty, which is probably not the case, they wouldn't need him to prove his guilty. This is just a smear campaign and nothing else.

  6. Fasciniating indeed... by bayankaran · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Completed the first half of TFA. It is indeed fascinating.

    Fascinating to know Julian Assange...his technical know how and philosophical underpinnings make him one of the foremost thinkers of our world. The way Assange connects geo-political issues, the ideas behind publishing, instant publishing to the basic design of Wikileaks is brilliant. (We have to put aside his issues in Sweden.)

    Erich Schmidt comes across as a better version of Steve Ballmer. It would have been interesting if Larry Page / Sergey Brin had a conversation with Assange...they would be more interesting and the conversation would not be completely one sided.

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  7. Re:Rapists! by fredprado · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would flee if I was in his position as would anyone with a brain. Especially considering the ridiculous nature of such accusations and the horrible track record of injustice from Swedish justice in the last years (check the piratebay trials for reference). Sweden justice system has been consistently proved to be subservient to US interests.

    Your second "accusations" is basically hearsay, and your third accusation is ridiculous and completely false.

    Governments feel entitled to secrecy. They are not, and it is past time for them to be accountable for their acts. Assange is not a hero or a saint, just a man who likely did both good and bad things throughout his life as all men, but one of those things happened to be something very useful for mankind.

  8. Re:Rapists! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The Law" is not an objective measure of morality. If it were incorruptable, that may be arguable. But considering the nature of the charges, how the case was prosecuted, and the fact that one of his two accusers was kicked out of Cuba for being a CIA asset, the likelihood of his prosecution representing actual justice is very small. The government of Ecuador seems to concur.

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  9. Re:Rapists! by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This attitude assumes that the law and those who create it and enforce it are always on the right side of it and completely above board and beyond any sort of mischief, or worse. An attitude I do not share. I mistrust my government greatly.

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    Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
  10. Re:Wouldn't have gotten caught if he'd used HOST f by todrules · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dude, you're not the only one who can post as AC!! They're not trying to impersonate you. That's just how the system works. Everybody can be AC.

  11. Re:I wondered by rs1n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...how long it would take before Eric Schmidt said something that made me facepalm. Accidentally referring to TOR as "Thor" in the very first topic he brought up was bad, but not bad enough. Admitting right after that that he doesn't really understand what it is or how it works? In 2011? Just two months after stepping down as the CEO of Google? Facepalm.

    The other simple explanation is that Eric, as an investigator, wants Assange to share as much information as possible. The best way to do that is to make your audience feel knowledgeable, as if he was an authority on the topic at hand. People do this all the time--not just investigators, but anyone who wants to have their audience participate in the fullest. Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People is an excellent read and may give you a different perspective as to why Eric behaved the way he did during the interview. It is very possible he does not know much about TOR, etc. Or, it may very well be the case that he is deferring authority to the person he wants to have speak freely in the interview.

  12. Re:Rapists! by fredprado · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Swedish justice system left piratebay alone because that is what they should do accordingly to the law, but then, when enough pressure from US was applied they basically ignored their own law and did what US and their corporations wanted.

    There is a motive for hearsay be unusable in court. That is because it means absolutely nothing. It is irrelevant.

    The third accusation isn't bullshit. It was widely reported.

    It was reported that the data leaked had the names. Nowhere there it is said that he asked for money to take the names of it, as you falsely accuse him of. He only asked help from the Amnesty to edit the names.

    His partner outlined how the entire purpose of Wikileaks was to funnel money to Assange

    Again hearsay. You seem to like it a lot.