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Privately Built Antares Test Flight Successfully Launched From Virginia

After high winds (up to 140mph) delayed yesterday's scheduled launch (itself a re-do because of a cabling problem), Orbital Science's Antares rocket has made it to space. This launch was a test run, but Antares is intended to launch supplies to the ISS. Space.com reports: "The third try was the charm for the private Antares rocket, which launched into space from a new pad at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility, its twin engines roaring to life at 5 p.m. EDT (2100 GMT) to carry a mock cargo ship out over the Atlantic Ocean and into orbit. The successful liftoff came after two delays caused by a minor mechanical glitch and bad weather." Congratulations to all involved.

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  1. Horray for Antares by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congrats for Antares.
    The more ways to get to orbit, the better!

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    1. Re:Horray for Antares by sanman2 · · Score: 2

      I just want to add that the quality of the launch video was superb - even better than the quality of SpaceX's video footage.

      Their video was crystal clear from start to finish. Even SpaceX's onboard cameras tend to get moisture and ice accumulating on them during ascent, but the Antares cameras were nice and clear. Likewise, even the interior cameras gave a perfectly serene view of the interior before faring separation.

      A textbook launch - very nice and very smooth.

    2. Re:Horray for Antares by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      The reason it would be a weapon of choice is that the EMP alone would to trillions of dollars of damage. If the blast took out 10 GPS satellites as well, and some coms satellites, then another few billion, but if the satellites were blasted by the EMP such that they became ballistic, it may cause the Kessler effect without the blast causing it directly through first-order damage.

    3. Re:Horray for Antares by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      You're failing to grasp the size difference between NK's nukes and the stuff the US and Russians tested in LEO back in the day. We have conventional bombs that rival what NK can do with a nuke. We're talking something that would only take out a few city blocks... still very bad, but in space? Totally useless. The EMP would be tiny.

      The most destructive thing they could do with a nuke on a missile is hit one of our carrier groups. THAT would be devastating to our fleet. But we have some pretty fancy gadgetry designed to prevent that very thing from happening. The far more effective thing they could do with a nuke is forget the rocket. Put the biggest nuke they can get together on one of their subs, sail it into any major harbor in the world and detonate it. Just the fact that it happened at all would devastate the world economy and the environmental impact of half a dozen oil tankers dumping, now radioactive, crude into the harbor would be incalculable.

      I just hope China has as many spies in North Korea as I suspect. They're the only ones that really have any control over that psychopath.

  2. Re:Coming of the true Space Age? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    While it's a nice achievement, I'm not sure this has much to do with a new space age. Orbital Sciences already has a number of working launch options, which they regularly use to launch both commercial and NASA payloads. This is adding one which can launch larger payloads than their current options (such as the Minotaur) are able to do, but it's not for going to Mars or anything like that.

  3. Phones in Space! by backspaces · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like this:

    Antares also carried three coffee cup-size Phonesat satellites - called Alexander, Graham and Bell - into orbit as part of a space technology experiment for NASA's Ames Research Center in California. The tiny 4-inch-wide satellites use commercial smartphones as their main computers.

    1. Re:Phones in Space! by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I helped work on those. It was fun. :) The 1.0s use Nexus Ones and the 2.0 ueses a very gutted Nexus S.

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  4. No by rgbrenner · · Score: 2

    I wish you were right.. but the answer is no. What those rockets are used for has not changed. The missions are still the same; the customers are still the same.

    We have to discover something valuable in space.. then the space age will begin as everyone capable goes into space to claim their share of whatever it is.

    1. Re:No by rgbrenner · · Score: 2

      That made me laugh a little.. but seriously.. I don't think that would do it. There's no place on earth that comes close to the conditions on Mars (for example).. even if an asteroid hit earth, it would still be the best place for us to survive.

    2. Re:No by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. If we really want to "survive a catastrophe" it's orders of magnitude cheaper and easier to build a sustainable submarine station on multiple sides of the earth that only open their hatches once every year or so than to send one colony to mars.

      What could kill the human race?
      - Disease. It's trivial to filter out microbes and viruses from air supplies here on earth. An antarctic base is also extremely unlikely to get a pathogen spread to it quickly. Avoiding contact with wildlife and all travel to and from would essentially guarantee even an unfiltered antarctic base would be free of disease transmission.
      - Asteroid/comet. It's highly unlikely that an asteroid would incinerate everybody on every continent. A small underwater base would be easier and safer. Nuclear submarines already provide a perfectly safe refuge if you have multiple subs in multiple oceans preventing the chance of simultaneous impacts. The dust would be problematic and the temperature but with a space heater from Home Depot and some grow-lamps you could just put on a hepa filter and be perfectly fine inside of an insulated aircraft hanger.
      - Nuclear War: It would be nearly impossible to hit a hidden submarine which can hold as many people as proposed martian bases. Also the radiation and fallout from a nuclear war is probably less than just the regular radiation a mars colony would experience on a daily basis from cosmic radiation.
      - The sun goes supernova: This is pretty much the only thing that we would need to be a space faring species to overcome and that's unlikely to happen not to mention we would need interstellar not just interplanetary travel to avoid.

      Any problem that an apocalyptic catastrophe would cause--would only render the earth almost as uninhabitable as everywhere else in our solar system is every single day.

  5. Interesting fact by stox · · Score: 2

    The engines used for the Antares are refurbished Russian NK-33's, originally built for use on the N-1 booster. These engines are pretty much 40+ years old.

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    1. Re:Interesting fact by Bureaucromancer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can anyone confirm or deny if the supply of them is limited? I've heard a couple times that there's no real possibility of Orbital Sciences getting more. How many Antares launches can we actually get? As much as Orbital Sciences has done some impressive things I have some real doubts about the usefulness of this system.

    2. Re:Interesting fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe Aerojet licensed the *design* and built new, somewhat modernized engines.

  6. Re:Why mock cargo? by Bureaucromancer · · Score: 2

    Basically because they wouldn't allow the ship anywhere near the space station as is, and the Antares/Cygnus stack just isn't useful for much other than station resupply. If there's anything like the confidence that there was in SpaceX they might be allowed to dock on the next launch, and almost certainly on the third. Whether they deserve that confidence could be argued both ways, but I tend to think they'll get it.

  7. Phonesats by photonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Congrats to orbital, even though launching a new rocket assembled from parts built by Russians by a company that is already working in the space business for many years seems a small accomplishment compared to what SpaceX pulled off. As is common on a first flight, the main payload is an instrumented dead weight. The coolest thing about this mission is IMO some small cubesats they launched as secondary payloads. These are some super cheap phonesats built by NASA, which are powered by a Nexus One or Nexus S. Data packets that could be received via amateur radio should hopefully appear here soon.

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    1. Re:Phonesats by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Nope. Android does not use Java. Besides these sats have to work so Windows was out (blue screams of death in space is a bad thing; nobody can hear it).

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  8. Re:Well done to all involved by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

    Why not? It would be nice if sending a rocket into space was easy.

  9. Re:Antares: an outsourced rocket by FullBandwidth · · Score: 2

    Not to denigrate the fine contribution of lobbying and paperwork to any successful endeavor, but you might find that turning a collection of components into an integrated system - even for something as trivial as a space launch - is a little more complicated than clicking Legos together. Besides, only the first and second stages were delivered as components. That still leaves the fairing, separation systems, launch vehicle interface to the ground systems, the ground systems themselves (1st stage is liquid), etc. etc. etc.

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  10. Re:Well done to all involved by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

    And I was hoping that one day rocket science might not be "rocket science."

  11. Re:Antares: an outsourced rocket by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Nope. They did not lobby for this. NASA approached them. BUT, you are right that OSC outsourced it all. All they did was assemble this. Heck, Cygnus was done 100% in Europe. And Antares will carry 5 tonnes to LEO for about 50-60 million. Right now, the Falcon 9 carries 13 tonnes to LEO for 50 million and shortly the FH will take 54 tonnes for 100 million. So for 2x the price of Anteres, you can carry 10x the cargo. Pretty scary.

    And all of that will be destroyed when SpaceX is successful with Grasshopper In about 2 years. At that time, the price of an F9 wll be less than 20M and possibly less than 10M. FH will likewise drop in half, possibly 1/4.

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  12. Re:Antares: an outsourced rocket by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The fairing has had a lot of issues with OSC. In fact, NASA will only use OSC for finishing this contract and will no longer use OSC's launch group. Worse, OSC not only did not build the fairing, but they have not built the seperation system, the avionics, etc. They have done little to nothing.
    As such, they one of the most expensive launch costs going, as well as zero control. Within 4 years, OSC will be out of the launch industry. Instead, we are likely to see Aerojet and possibly Rocketdyne merging with one of the smaller builders and then building a tug/depot, or perhaps their own form of a land-able launch system.

    But as for OSC, with 20 years worth of launch, they have control over next to NO technology. They outsourced it to Europe, Russia, Aerojet, ATK, and a few others. IOW, they are finished.

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  13. Re:Antares: an outsourced rocket by kupan787 · · Score: 2

    Instead, we are likely to see Aerojet and possibly Rocketdyne merging with one of the smaller builders and then building a tug/depot, or perhaps their own form of a land-able launch system.

    Not sure if you were implying that Aerojet or Rocketdyne merging independetly with a small builder, or if you meant the combined Aerojet/Rocketdyne merging with a small builder. Aerojet (parent company Gencrop) is actually in the process of closing on the purchase of Rocketdyne.

    http://www.aerojet.com/media/InvestorPresentation_GenCorpAcquisition.pdf

  14. Re:Why mock cargo? by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    A couple of corrections:
    1) Dragon has berthed 3 times. The first was under COTS, and then they have done 2 successful CRS missions. As you can see by the link, that SpaceX has 5 more launches for this year, with 1 of them for another CRS.
    2) The next flight is the COTS for cygnus which is June.

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  15. Re:Well done to all involved by AJWM · · Score: 2

    Rockets are very complicated machines, and we have much still to learn.

    They're complicated when the design criteria includes maximizing performance regardless of cost, which was the general design rule in the 1950s and 60s. (In the 70s and 80s, that morphed to maximizing NASA jobs and the number of congressional districts the work is done in, almost regardless of cost.)

    As an above poster mentioned, the Saturn F1 (for example) has been redesigned as the F1-B with different design goals, reducing the parts count (hence complexity, at the same time simplifying manufacturability) by two orders of magnitude and increasing thrust (at a very slight drop in Isp -- performance).

    So I'd say we're learning.

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  16. Re:Well done to all involved by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    May we never get to thinking that sending up a rocket into space is easy...

    We may never get to thinking that buliding a mechanical computation device is easy... However, regardless of how difficult that very complex engineering task is, you can't deny it's down right affordable now.

  17. Definitely not privately built by tp1024 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The whole second stage is from ATK, made using the same factories where they usually build ICBMs. The first stage engines are 1970ies Soviet relics. The rest of the first stage (tanks, thrust structures etc.) was build by Yuzhmash a state-owned Ukranian rocket builder. The Cygnus spacecraft will be provided by Tahles Alenia Space, which itself stretches the definition of "private".

    1. Re:Definitely not privately built by khallow · · Score: 2

      The whole second stage is from ATK, made using the same factories where they usually build ICBMs.

      That's private right there. I sense you started with that because you thought otherwise. Even being as dependent on public funding as ATK is, it is still a private company.

      The rest is correct, though I understand the private company Aerojet made the engines for the first stage using a 70s Soviet design.

  18. samsung sponsored? by schlachter · · Score: 2

    Cause u know how cool it would be to have Galaxy III satellites.

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