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MySQL Founders Reunite To Form SkySQL
mikejuk writes "The founders of the original MySQL, the open-source database, are getting back together in a merger between Monty Program and SkySQL. SkySQL was created by around two dozen former MySQL executives and investors after Oracle bought MySQL from Sun. Widenius started Monty Program AB and created the MariaDB database from some of MySQL's open source code. The merger will provide a stronger rival to MySQL, so reassuring users who are worried about Oracle's future plans for the database."
That's all I needed to hear.
Anything that takes Oracle out of the way of MySQL gets my vote!
...Hasta la vista, Baby!
Table-ized A.I.
If I understand the release correctly, this will mean that MariaDB will continue with organizational support from SkySQL. Sounds like they are well on the road to being the top MySQL "distribution" which is good reassurance for making the switch.
"Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
Are they kidding? These people have already demonstrated their incompetence.
There are several good open source/free to use database engines. MySQL is not one of them.
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But Monty doesn't have a daughter named Sky?!
All generalizations are false
skySQL will be part of the skyNET infrastructure that will kill us all :)
It's all in the sky.... and clouds....
So both MariaDB and Sky will coexist, or are the combining?
Monty needs to stop crying about what Oracle is / will do with MySQL. He sold MySQl walkng away with almost A BILLION DOLLARS! If he cared that much, he wouldn't have sold.
"general absence of programmers, engineers fails to deter C-levels from merging two companies in an effort to become a more robust alternative to databases that still arent hadoop, couch or hypertable"
Good people go to bed earlier.
There are several good open source/free to use database engines. MySQL is not one of them.
That depends on what kind of user base you want. If you develop a web application for installation on hobbyist web sites, something comparable to WordPress or phpBB or MediaWiki, you need to make it compatible with MySQL because so many budget web hosts provide only MySQL (and possibly SQLite).
The majority of the internet would disagree with you.
The majority of Internet users use web applications as a user, not as a server administrator, and definitely not as a developer.
I'd happily go to Postgresql if my provider offered it though.
Have you considered SQLite? Some MySQL haters would claim that some of SQLite's features are better even if the concurrency is worse, and if your site is on a plan smaller than a VPS, it probably isn't popular enough to need heavy concurrency yet.
Let's all back these guys so that they can sell us out a second time later down the road, when the community makes them successful again.
I was just coming around to the idea I might explore MariaDB next time I needed to do something, where normally I've been turning to MySQL. Is SkySQL replacing that, now?
Also, do any of the large, inexpensive web hosts (hostgator, dreamhost, servint, etc.) provide either of these alternatives yet? Because frankly I'm not going to do a lot of personal configuration or pay a lot extra just for the novelty.
The Quirkz Handbook of Self-Improvement for People Who Are Already Pretty Okay
1. Create a popular but flawed FLOSS product (MySQL).
2. Build a business atop flawed FLOSS product (MySQL AB).
3. Ca$h out by selling your baby to formerly glorious tech company on the ropes (FGTCOTR, aka SUN).
4. Profit!
5. Leave FGTCOTR after a tasteful waiting period to start your own company DOING THE SAME THING YOU JUST SOLD because you can fork the OSS codebase you just sold.
6. Take public potshots at EVIL Corp (who very predictably acquired FGTCOTR) for mismanaging the baby you sold (because EVIL), while flogging your fork of the product you sold as a viable alternative (FLOSS, to cloak yourself in the veneer of legitimacy because you can live off of steps 3 and 4).
7. Reunite to form company that does the same thing the company you sold for big $$$ did, to compete with the product you willingly relinquished control over.
8. GOTO #1?
I can't decide whether to admire Monty for successfully gaming the system, or condemn him as an amoral manipulator who wasted no time screwing over the very people he sold out to at the earliest possible opportunity.
Grudgingly, I lean toward admiration. Nicely done, sir.
That said, I avoid MySQL as the half-baked relational DB pretender that it is and use PostgreSQL whenever possible. Better technology without the drama. I have never regretted PgSQL once, MySQL many times.
Ok honestly, what has Oracle done with MySQL that has been so bad? They've been pretty good stewards. MySQL 5.6 came out and even included full text search for InnoDB. I'm pleased with the product and it's progress.
This smells like the Jenkins/Hudson gayness... All these projects are forking because of big bad Oracle, before Oracle has even done anything. Good god, the open source community is LUCKY to have a corporation that is willing to sink dollars into an open source project. If that means giving up a little control, I'm cool with that. If they try some bullshit, we can fork it. Stop the friggen whining until then. You cry wolf enough times and the community isn't going to be there when you really do need them.
So I have a brilliant friggen plan. How about the circle jerk of founders in the SkySQL project go to Oracle and offer and olive branch? There would be rainbows and unicorns and one code base. Wouldn't that be best for the community?
"The merger will provide a stronger rival to MySQL, so reassuring users who are worried about Oracle's future plans for the database"
Aren't they the same guys that sold MySQL the first time? How will the new alliance be any more reassuring?
This soap opera is getting way too confusing. Way too much money, way too many project names. In the end, whatever they come up with to circumvent Oracle, they will just sell to the next highest bidder for another billion, then rinse and repeat.
It seems the only way for us to circumvent all this BS is not to use anything affiliated with Oracle, MySQL, or its creators.
SkySQL is a sequel to MySQL. Whose sequel? Your sequel? My sequel? SkySQL.
Another branch of a product that has already been branched... I can just see where this is going.
Fan-friggin-tastic.
MySQL was sold to *Sun*, who were good stewards of the code and community. Then Sun was taken over by Oracle.
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Well, that's like, your opinion, man.
I think the FOSS community would probably have been fine if MySQL had remained with an independent (and profitable) Sun. But Oracle is not Sun. For me, personally, the Oracle v. Google lawsuit pretty much gave notice that Oracle would go scorched earth on anyone who used "their" open source properties in ways they didn't approve of.
If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
Because the people who came up with MySQL shouldn't be touching PostgreSQL code.
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Well, yes, if Facebook could start an organization from scratch with a gazillion dollars in the bank to work with from day one, and a clear definition of what their final product will be, they might have made different design choices. Hell, they might have written their own browser for their own operating system using their own internet.
But that's not how things work. Facebook can afford to replace MySQL if they determine it's not meeting their business needs today.
I normally mod down both trolls *and* the people stupid enough- or with too little self-control- to be lured into replying to them.
However, given that at least three ****wits have already modded you "informative" for this post, I feel obliged to point out that the original comment is more than likely a Joe job (as well as a troll), and pretty obvious one.
Matter of fact, I wouldn't discount the possibility that "your" comment was made by the same person as the original, but the fact it was modded up shows that at least some people believe otherwise.
Seriously, I can't believe that there are Slashdotters stupid enough to take this crap at face value.
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Ulf Michael "Monty" Widenius, is the main author of the original version of the open-source MySQL database and a founding member of the MySQL AB company.
The main one is holding back security and critical bug fixes. That's a killer in itself. No, MySQL users are not going to migrate to Oracle, ever. Oracle cannot expand their business, and its future is looking very grim as legacy applications on late 90s early '00s Sun boxen are being replaced by significantly faster and cheaper x86 in racks.
MySQL does not need Oracle, nor does it need a big corp. It is the biggest DB community on the planet, whether you like the DB or not.
We're on a mission from God.
He's been posting these emails in almost every thread for the last few days. He's the "my fast pc" spammer for some unknown Linux website. If you check his Contact page [linuxadvocates.com] you'll see I am not him as he doesn't like his email address displayed in a scrape-able way
Are you really that dim? I already linked "joe job" and you still managed to miss the entire point.
Let me explain it in *very* *simple* *words*. The person that posted the original "spam" above is probably *not* "Dieter T. Schmitz" as they claim, but someone else who is (a) trying to make him look bad (b) trolling, and/or (c) stirring up trouble by pretending to post spam under his identity.
Your logic is circular- you're already assuming that "he" posted the original comment, when in fact "he" probably didn't and "he" isn't the same person.
Good grief...
He's the "my fast pc" spammer for some unknown Linux website.
This *does* explain a lot... about you. If you're one of the idiots that genuinely believed the "My Clean PC" comments were spam- even long after anyone with half a brain could see it was being kept going by trolls- then you're even more gullible and blinkered than I thought you were.
Anyway, I only posted my original comment as a heads up to those so lacking in common sense that they might have planned on harassing the alleged "spammer".
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maybe throwing themselves at mysql they will begin to shit on postgres? this isn't 2001 and mysql is not that far behind.
You have no idea what the term scorched earth means. It in no way applies to what they've done. Stop using words you don't understand just because you heard someone else say it and it sound scary evil to you.
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Thats what they did isn't it? They sold out, then took their toys and left, and are going to do it again.
Congratulations, you have illustrated to every business in the world who's paying attention why it would be absolutely fucking stupid to invest any money in a GPL project. Your greed has effectively manipulated the concept of FOSS into something more evil than even what Oracle does.
Oracle is up front about stabbing you in the back. They'll tell you they are going to do it. This prick is just a two faced fuck who will never get support from anyone other than GPL fanboys.
Anyone with any intelligence is already distancing themselves from this guy, he says one thing while his actions show his intentions are completely different than his words.
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Okay, we'll rework it, but will "asshat" be okay with you?
Table-ized A.I.
Why does it sound like a Russian word for "diarrhea" when the 3 merge? It would just invite too many "In Soviet Russia" jokes.
BUT, we need a whackjob name to compete with "Postgresql". In the FOSS world, sounding squishy, green, and crippled is "street cred" (gimp, grep, gnu, lisp, etc.)
Table-ized A.I.
Maybe this could give you a hint. Looks like a small factor, but is critical for validating whatever you want to do with the code. If is the start of a trend, better to be in a safe zone, i.e. elsewhere.
Oracle has been good stewards of MySQL. But it's like saying MS has made commendable effort to embrace open standards. Something doesn't feel right. Even at a superficial level, I dunno if it's Larry's desire to own a Hawaiian island while having the look of a Bond villain, or Ballmer -- just being himself -- the mistrust seems justifiable.
As for SkySQL, I just wish the original band members would go away. I mean, what happened to their billion dollar buyout? Hookers?
Shopping around is fine when establishing a new web site or if the installation of a new application requiring PostgreSQL coincides with the annual renewal of one's hosting plan. For users looking to add your application to an existing web site on a MySQL-only plan, your PostgreSQL-only application is going to lose out to a competitor's application that supports the hosting plan that the site operator has already paid for.
That out of the way, there's really no good reason to use MySQL or it's derivatives any more. Ever. Postgre is superior in pretty much every way.
Other than that PostgreSQL isn't part of the plan that a lot of shared web hosting customers have already bought. Hosting companies tend to consider PostgreSQL itself exotic.
Sure, CRTs still work just fine, but no one in their right mind would choose one over an LCD unless they have some really exotic requirements.
Light guns are "exotic". Zero lag in games is "exotic". Shared web hosting is also "exotic".
I actually expect it to be better or at least the same as pg otherwise why not just switch over to pg?
If you're not starting from scratch, MySQL or whatever it becomes is better because migrating your existing MySQL based application is easier.
Sorry, but Oracle and MySQL are playing to different audiences. The number of Oracle database customers is a lot smaller than the number of MySQL users, but I doubt that you could justly claim that less money is involved, and it's the money that Oracle (the company) cares about.
That said, though the MySQL community has the largest number of users, that's not at all the same as the largest number of active database program developers. I'd need some evidence for any claim that the MySQL project has more active developers than any particular other project (and I doubt that the evidence is publicly available). OTOH, I will agree that the number of active developers is less significant than the quality of those developers, and the quality of the management of those developers. Perhaps this article is evidence of an attempt to improve the MySQL project's management of the developers. (I'm not convinced that it's evidence of movement in the direction of improvement, but it may well be evidence of an attempt at movement in the direction of improvement.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
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I remember reading something on slashdot about a nullo ?
So, as far as I can tell he's just using "scorched earth" to basically mean "apeshit." Seems fine to me. Is there a more specific meaning of "scorched earth" in this context of which I was previously unaware?
Scorched earth means to destroy (burn) the land to deny your opponent the ability to sustain his army in the field. I used the term exactly as I intended; to suggest that Oracle is more than willing to destroy Java (or at the very least chill independent innovation) in order to win a hopeless IP battle against Google.
If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
Let me spell it out for the learning impaired. Scorched earth means to destroy the environment to win a battle by denying an opponent the environment needed to sustain his army. It's a strategy that has been used notably by Russia vs Napoleon and by the Soviets vs.Germany. You could also categorize the US Agent Orange tactics in Vietnam / Cambodia as scorched earth.
By attempting to exert patents and copyright protections to not only Sun/Oracle's Java implementation but to the language itself (interface specifications) Oracle was more than willing to destroy the community that made Java successful in order to win a battle with Google. In the end they lost the battle and, at the very least, made the Java community even more wary.
If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem