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Genetically Modified Plants To Produce Natural Lighting

kkleiner writes "A team has launched a crowdsourcing campaign to develop sustainable natural lighting by using a genetically modified version of the flowering plant Arabidopsis. Using the luciferase gene, the enzyme responsible for making fireflies glow, the researchers will design, print, and transform the genes into the target plant. The project, which was recently launched on Kickstarter, has already raised over $100k with over a month left to go."

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  1. Mosquitos by TrollstonButtersbean · · Score: 5, Funny

    They need to do this to mosquitoes, let the modification spread around several generations and make a better world ...

    1. Re:Mosquitos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But how long before the gene dies out? Glowing mosquitoes make easy targets. Unmodified ones will have a distinct genetic advantage.

    2. Re:Mosquitos by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If not having the gene provides a survival advantage to the mosquito, expect all your efforts to be for nothing until you understand natural selection a little better.

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    3. Re:Mosquitos by kanweg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, it will keep working in countries where evolution is just a theory.

      Bert

  2. Just say NO to GMO by RussR42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just kidding. Here's the Kickstarter Link.

    1. Re:Just say NO to GMO by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 5, Funny

      One way to find out.

      And you just added something to my list of things to try.

    2. Re:Just say NO to GMO by Local+ID10T · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is GMO I can truly appreciate. Of course, I would also support development of gigantic venus-flytraps that are self-mobile...

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    3. Re:Just say NO to GMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Watching AC shit?

    4. Re:Just say NO to GMO by Khyber · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At some point in the not too distant future technology will advance enough for a grad student to transplant the gene to produce THC into some other plant. I vote for <URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaceae> Glowing plants are just the beginning.

      "At some point in the not too distant future technology will advance enough for a grad student to transplant the gene to produce THC into some other plant."

      Umm, yea, no. You need certain structures to produce THC, and thus your chosen plant would fail pretty miserably.

      The closest plant you could even remotely think of transplanting the gene into would be the Tomato, which produces capitate-stalked trichomes, a structure essential for the production of THC.

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  3. Going to Hell in a (brightly lit) Handbasket by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    While I think this is pretty cool and all (Avatar anyone?), once people get a hold of the fact that the enzyme is called 'Luciferase', things could get rather warm for the company (at least in the US).

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  4. Sustainable? by manu0601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Energy will come from sun, so the idea is basically to store it as ATP and/or glucose, and release it as light using luciferase. Is it efficient? More efficient than solar cell/battery/LED? At least it has a point: this energy storage system will need no rare element, and it will be disposable without generating any solution.

    1. Re:Sustainable? by Hentes · · Score: 4, Informative

      These stuff are just decoration, they glow nicely but don't produce enough light to illuminate anything.

    2. Re:Sustainable? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes indeed. In fact it might actually screw the plants up and cause them to think it's daytime. Personally, I think it would be a better prospect to do this in a fungus. Some of them already glow a little.

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    3. Re:Sustainable? by lazybratsche · · Score: 5, Informative

      This was my first concern. Some back-of-the-envelope calculations:

      Photosynthesis is pretty lousy in terms of thermodynamic efficiency. About 1% of the light that hits a plant is converted to useful chemical energy. The plant will have to use most of that energy for its metabolic processes. Luciferase itself is a very efficient enzyme, however, so I'll generously assume that 10% of the energy that the plant captures can be turned into useful light. So the overall efficiency can't be much higher than 0.1%. By comparison, solar cells are around 10% efficient, and LEDs 20%, so at first glance the luciferase plant seems to be an order of magnitude less efficient than the solar powered flashlight my in-laws gave me for christmas.

      In absolute terms, there is about 100 watts/meter^2 of energy in sunlight. If you've got a one-square-meter window full of the hypothetical plants sitting in sunshine all day, let's say they can absorb 1500 watt-hours, and then convert 1.5 watt-hours into useful light. That'd be comparable to running a 5-watt LED for an hourish, which could be useful if you could turn the luminescence on and off at will. But if the plant is glowing all night and only a portion of the light is emitted in a useful direction, maybe the window-full-of-plants would give off light comparable to the little cluster of LEDs on the front of my computer. So overall I'd say that the idea is not completely impossible, but still totally impractical.

    4. Re:Sustainable? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      So the overall efficiency can't be much higher than 0.1%. By comparison, solar cells are around 10% efficient, and LEDs 20%

      The difference is that you pay to grow one plant, then it replicates on its own until you have millions of them. So you pay for the first plant, then the rest are essentially free. Solar cells and LED bulbs OTOH don't grow on trees - you're paying the same high fixed cost to manufacture each panel or bulb.

      And if you think about it, what's hindering wide-scale PV and LED adoption right now? High up-front costs.

      In absolute terms, there is about 100 watts/meter^2 of energy in sunlight.

      The solar constant (energy flux of sunlight at Earth's orbit) is about 1360 W/m^2. A bit more than half of that reaches the earth's surface - about 750-800 W/m^2 (the rest being absorbed by the atmosphere). The 125 W/m^2 commonly quoted is the power output of widely-available 15% efficient PV panels under ideal condditions at the Earth's surface.

    5. Re:Sustainable? by philip.paradis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that you pay to grow one plant, then it replicates on its own until you have millions of them. So you pay for the first plant, then the rest are essentially free.

      Tell that to Monsanto.

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  5. Re:Going to Hell in a (brightly lit) Handbasket by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Informative

    It brings light. It's a very deliberate and literal biblical reference. :)

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  6. Re:energy? by danudwary · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Luciferase genes are common throughout nature. Not just fireflies. It's just where they were studied from first. There's no heat produced - it's essentially the most efficient light source we know of. Far more efficient that anything we can manufacture. The actual reaction is not terribly different from one of those plastic glow sticks, just a biological form of it.

    The only problem I see is that I just can't see how it's going to be very bright. I remember a classroom demo where the professor took purified luciferase and the reactants you need, and it lit up and glowed for a while, but petered out pretty quickly. The bio reaction is ATP-dependant, so having a plant with a bright light is going to have to consume tons of energy that the plant would rather be using to maintain normal processes.

  7. Re:Poor choice by kaliann · · Score: 4, Informative

    I imagine that they started with a Brassica because it's one of the most common experimental plants, and there's more genetic information available on it vs. most houseplants. Proof of concept work is best done in a thoroughly understood system, and if you're adding a gene from another phylum, knowing a lot about the organism you are working with helps to control for some variables.

    However, I love the idea of a hardier plant with high leaf area!
    (I admit to fanciful imaginings of a calm voice announcing, "In the event of a blackout, low level emergency lighting will be noticeable in street-side shrubbery.")

  8. Re:Poor choice by danudwary · · Score: 4, Informative

    Probably because Arabidopsis is one of the most well studied plants in terms of its genetics, and, thus, easier than other plants to genetically modify.

  9. Re:Poor choice by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They should use carnivorous plants. Put a few around the yard and you get rid of insects all while lighting it up for free!

  10. Re:No more GMO! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These bastards are going to eventually kill the human race. GMO corn, wheat, canola, etc...is already in the food supply. Go to google and type in "gmo tumors" or "gmo infertility" to research for yourself.

    Yup, I sure did. In all the whack-a-doodle sites, it was ZOMG You eat this shit and ye shal surely DIE. DIE a Horrible Tumor infested death!

    Oh...... Wait..... CRIIGEN, an organization devoted to lobbying against GMOs Guaranteed to be honest and report only the truth.

    Oh...... Wait...... The "researchers" Joel de Vendomois, is a homeopath, Seralini is the other scientist.

    Yup, Homeopathy, that's the ticket.

    By golly, this is sounding a lot like the anti-vaccine crowd, first degree murderers in my book.

    Especially fun is that the Rats that they fed the fucking roundup pesticide live longer than any of the other rats.

    Why don't you take up something with more credibility - like creation science.

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  11. $10,000 Pledge by xstonedogx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your name (or anything under 30 characters) will be written, in DNA, into the glowing plant genome!!

    Just imagine if it was your name that caused the plant to produce an airborne toxin that caused the end of the world. (I'd blame my parents.)

  12. Franken Bulbs and Glowing Mustard! Run! by Hartree · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aren't they worried the pollen will drift and crossbreed with our all natural compact flourescents?

    And they're doing it with mustard plants, Mandrake! Mustard for childrens hot dogs!

  13. Natural? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think that means what they think it means.

  14. Re:Going to Hell in a (brightly lit) Handbasket by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We could simply rename the enzyme.

    Hey, it worked for Rapeseed oil: when they cultivated it, they renamed it Canola oil.

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  15. Re:No more GMO! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go to google and type in "gmo tumors" or "gmo infertility" to research for yourself.

    Wow. While I was at it, I googled "measles and autism" and "moon landing hoax."

    After all, they can't put anything on the Internet if it isn't true.

  16. Re:No more GMO! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like you read the Forbes article and are just repeating what they said.

    Especially fun is that the Rats that they fed the fucking roundup pesticide live longer than any of the other rats.

    Just because they didn't get cancer from drinking the pesticide doesn't mean the pesticide-resistant GMO crops are safe.

    And that's really the problem with GMO, testing sucks. There are very few, if any, meaningful and rigorous tests. Lots of short term test and tons of grandfathering in genes because they came from other organisms where they were not a problem. But when it comes to comprehensive testing that could reassure the general population of the safety of GMO crops, there just isn't any.

    Given the history we have with things like thalidomide, DDT, leaded gasoline, fen-phen, etc it is not unreasonable that people be genuinely concerned about GMO crops, especially given how widespread they've become with such little public notice. Dismissing those concerns as the equivalent of creation science is at least as bad as creationism itself because it is just another misplaced faith.

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  17. Re:energy? by Alsee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, my first thought was that it's not going to be very bright. I did a back of the envelope calculation.

    According to Wikipedia photosynthesis efficiency is about 3 to 6% of incoming sunlight. Lets call it 4.5%. That's the energy a plant uses to grow and just to keep itself alive - lets assume we can burn about half of that energy for light production without starving the plant itself. In fireflies Lucifer is about 90 to 98 efficient in converting energy into light. Lets say out engineered plant manages 90%. Next let's note that this plant is going to waste energy glowing even during midday sun. That basically cuts in half (or less) the amount of useful energy spend on blowing at night in the dark. Next let's note that the light is going to be generated inside the plant, but only a portion of it will make it out and be visible. The rest will hit internal plant tissue and be absorbed (remember, the very purpose of leaf tissue is to be a good absorber of light). The fraction of light that usefully escapes is hard to estimate, but lets call it 50%.

    At this point we're down to about 1/200th.

    Peak direct visible sunlight is about 440 watts per square meter. Average from sunrise to sunset will be less than half that. And with the 1/200th factor above we're looking at less than 1 watt of light output per square meter. (Note that we don't need to mess with the leaf surface area, we only need to consider the 2-D cross-section of the plant intercepting the available sunlight.)

    The good news is that at this point in our calculation our wattage gets translated into light as if it's 100% efficiency. This means that a modest size BUSH that's 1 meter (or 1 yard) in diameter could, optimistically, glow at night with the equivalent light output of a 20-watt to 40-watt incandescent bulb.

    That's probably close to the high end of what's possible, and I doubt their first attempt will be that good, but it is more than I expected. If you have good night vision, and if you sat right up against a bush, it may be just enough to (uncomfortably) read by. If all you have is typical size potted plant you'll only get a tiny fraction of that much light though.... maybe 5% of that.

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  18. turn the light off by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So how do we turn the light off? Move the pot out of the room?

  19. Re:No more GMO! by locopuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big problem with pesticide resistant crops isn't that the are genetically modified, it is that they use a ton of pesticide on them. The people eating them get more pesticide in their system. Pesticide is not something you want to eat.

  20. Re:Going to Hell in a (brightly lit) Handbasket by preaction · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lucifer, the Light-Bringer, the Morning Star, also known as The Fallen One, Satan, and the Devil.

  21. Some relevant biology... by the+biologist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adding the Luciferase gene is fine and dandy. But to get the plant to glow, it also has to produce the appropriate luciferin. The photo they use of a glowing tobacco plant was produced by watering the tobacco with luciferin solution and then using a very long exposure. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glowing_tobacco_plant.jpg)

    That said, the luciferin found in dinoflagelates is derived from chlorophyll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferin) and it is conceptually possible to introduce the relevant algae genes into their plant... once the genes have been identified. This sort of metabolic engineering is a MUCH bigger task than the Kickstarter campaign people are planning for.

    The energetic difficulty could be worked around by making the plant into a biological capacitor... where it builds up luciferin all day and then discharges in a flash at night. The plants wouldn't be of any use in landscape lightly, but they would be a really cool landscape feature. The downside is they might drive any local fireflies insane.

  22. Re:Going to Hell in a (brightly lit) Handbasket by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    The name is derived from Lucifer, the root of which means 'light-bearer' (lucem ferre).

    Wait... So, God allegedly says "Let there be light", and it's Satan that makes the Sun? The single most important object of this corner of the Universe? Not just one of them, but he's apparently done such a good job of the "light bringing" that there are billions upon billions of suns to chose from -- variety being the spice of life, and all that. Yeah, I'd be pissed at my boss too if he ignored the beauty of that master piece and instead went all gushy over a bunch of insignificant ungrateful chemical reactions on a single wet rock; That's like giving the GUI designer praise for a stable kernel and file system. Oh, hey, I know, Let's cast the insubordinate angel down into the thing he hates most -- Nevermind him having the power to create Stars, all of 'em -- instead of oh, I don't know, giving him his own different wet rock and saying, "Well if you're so damn smart then let's see YOU make some life"; No, the prickish boss of the Universe wouldn't want to give anyone else the chance to outshine them, eh?

    Seems to me Satan's just under appreciated, and the fact the world still exists would point to a god-like degree of restraint or at least pity for said mentally midgetized primates -- I mean, it's not their fault they exist. I can't fault the guy for tripping up the little hairless apes whenever the opportunity presents itself to point out just how fickle and stupid they are -- I mean, what the fuck else did God expect to happen? Seems a bit of a dumb thing to do, IMO, unless you WANT the humans to wind up on the short end of the morality stick.

    Well, I guess you can't blame the writers since they hadn't invented the terms "plot hole" or "antagonist sympathy" yet and thus had to rely on the oldest plot-hook in the book, "irrational demonization". No wonder new UFO religions are springing up; I mean, if there's a market for origin stories this bad then ANYONE could weave a more believable tale and make a fortune.