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UK Passes "Instagram Act"

kodiaktau writes "The UK govt passed the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Act which effectively makes so-called 'orphaned' content posted on social media sites public domain. Corporations now only need to have made a "diligent search" to find the owner of the content before use. From the article: 'The Act contains changes to UK copyright law which permit the commercial exploitation of images where information identifying the owner is missing, so-called "orphan works", by placing the work into what's known as "extended collective licensing" schemes. Since most digital images on the internet today are orphans - the metadata is missing or has been stripped by a large organization - millions of photographs and illustrations are swept into such schemes.'"

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  1. hint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    don't post shit you want kept to yourself online

    1. Re:hint.... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No...it means don't allow anyone else in the world to find/scan/copy your work and post it online or they own it. You don't have to ever post something online yourself to be affected by this.

    2. Re:hint.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is why I post everything online with disappearing ink. When I close my browser it all disappears.

      Oh - wait - I guess it only works if we all close our browsers at the same time? Dang - that sucks!

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    3. Re:hint.... by eth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it's not worth enough to go to the bother of registering it then it's not worth adding to the legal quagmire that is default copyright.

      The problem with this is that a picture I take might be worth something, but that worth is less than what it would cost me in time/effort to get the money out of it (as opposed to an established publisher or news organization), so I don't. This legislation basically lets those established players hoover up that stuff and get money out of it, but without ever having to compensate the author.

    4. Re:hint.... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone else that removes identifying info from the EXIF so they can claim it's theirs.

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    5. Re:hint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Anything I post is small and watermarked. It is a sad statement about our online society. This means I do not participate in sites like Flikr and many others - too many tales of stolen images, copyright nightmares, etc. A lot of the sites are one0sided in their terms - suddenly THEY own your pictures, forever.
      In October last year there was this article about this issue:
      http://petapixel.com/2012/10/10/what-famous-photos-would-look-like-if-their-photogs-used-ugly-watermarks/
      The UK has not made any friends by passing this law.

    6. Re:hint.... by gsnedders · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no concept of copyright registration in the UK.

    7. Re:hint.... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I feel oddly compelled to point out that self-destructing documents were one of the proposed uses of DRM.

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    8. Re:hint.... by paddysteed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perfect destruction is assured by snapchat, they have done what the NSA couldn't.

    9. Re:hint.... by Spamalope · · Score: 3, Informative

      No... you should post it on your own web site with clear copyright information and metadata. That way there is no way any company can claim that they made a reasonable effort to find the owner and couldn't get the information.

      Incorrect. In the US right now it's not uncommon for newsrooms to strip metadata and use photography even taken from professionals then claim ignorance or worse that they have a license (from a never specified third party). Corporations stealing photography for advertising, websites and promotional print media is common too.

      Media companies own the big stock photography houses. The purpose of this law is to devalue photography for anyone but themselves, and to make sure that perpetual copyright isn't a two edged sword for them. The same legislation has been floated in the US.

  2. This could go both ways by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now does this mean that big corporations can scoop up these so-called "orphaned works" and then place their own copyright on them, or do they stay in public domain in perpetuity? If so that wouldn't be so bad, other than "diligent search" sounds like sending my teenage daughter into the other room to find something sitting behind something else.

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    1. Re:This could go both ways by narcc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Once it's in the public domain, that's where it stays.

        Copyright law isn't that absurd ... yet.

    2. Re:This could go both ways by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I imagine they would get a copyright on the derivative work, but not the original image. This seems to me like a good idea, with two caveats: 1 - If, after a diligent search, the owner comes forward and is able to prove they own the copyright, they should be able to receive a fair, standard rate compulsory license fee. 2 - If, after a search designed to not find the real owner, the owner comes forward, the compulsory license should have a much higher punitive rate. Also, keep in mind that just because you can use a picture, doesn't mean you have the likeness rights to the people in that picture. That's bit a few companies with Creative Commons licensing.

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    3. Re:This could go both ways by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not in the USA.

      Works may be moved back into copyright so sayeth SCOTUS.
      http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-re-copyright-decision/

      Fritz Lang's Metropolis was one big one moved back into copyright by Congress.

    4. Re:This could go both ways by narcc · · Score: 4, Informative

      For clarity, in case no one reads your link:

      Congress has the power to take works out of public domain. You can't just re-copyright any public domain work you run across.

    5. Re:This could go both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the US, photos meant to reproduce a 2-dimensional out-of-copyright work cannot be copyrighted. Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp established that even difficult reproductions of 2D works are not original (this does not apply to photographs of sculpture, which has some degree of artistry to it).

      Any classical performance and recording is a new work, but the original remains public domain. If you go secure some copies of the original sheet music (much of what is actually used today has been cleaned up more recently, and isn't actually out of copyright), you can perform any sufficiently old piece of music without any concern for royalties.

  3. Great an image laundering scheme for big business by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a) find image you want to use at site X
    b) have someone strip the the image of identifying information and repost it at site Y
    c) discover image at site Y lacking traceable information
    d) do "due dilligence" based on image from site Y
    e) declare image from site Y as 'orphaned'

    f) PROFIT

  4. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by ericloewe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With some luck, Google's "search similar images" function may make that scheme much harder

  5. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by Loether · · Score: 4, Informative

    I also like tineye.com for image search based on an image. The database size isn't the biggest but I like the engine a lot. It can find photoshopped images too.

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  6. lol wut? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So does this go both ways... can individuals claim orphaned corporate content or do the corporates have YET ANOTHER special right?

    1. Re:lol wut? by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Basically, if you don't know the source then you wouldn't know if it is a corporate work or a private work, that's an orphaned work.

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    2. Re:lol wut? by Simply+Curious · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would love to see this used as a legal basis for abandonware.

  7. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My first thought was that happening on accident. I've had text and code copied and posted with no attribution before, which would now make it public domain if in the UK? Doing that on purpose is easy though, and perhaps more of an issue.

    Does this only apply to works where the copy right holder (which must be unknown) is in the UK? If so, this law means nothing. If not, it violated the international copyright treaty requiring respecting the copyright in the country of origin. Seems broken either way.

    Anyway, someone please seed anonymized torrents in the UK. As long as its properly anonymized, we can all reseed it legally, since it a orphaned works from the UK, right? Just do a "diligent search", which finds no owner, and you're set!

  8. What the hell is going on here? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is it possible that copyright not only keeps being extended to prevent works of corporations from entering the public domain, but now other laws start stripping rights of the public for their own works for the benefit of corporations?

  9. And yet... by PortHaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We can't get access to orphaned films that are not available for sale?

    I believe that should be part of ANY copyright law. In order for copyright to be maintained. A work of art must be available for sale within a 5 year period. Stop selling it, and you lose your copyright.

    1. Re:And yet... by sribe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe that should be part of ANY copyright law. In order for copyright to be maintained. A work of art must be available for sale within a 5 year period. Stop selling it, and you lose your copyright.

      Absolutely. Especially now that advances in technology have made small-run distribution much more affordable, from on-demand printing to e-books.

    2. Re:And yet... by c · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe that should be part of ANY copyright law. In order for copyright to be maintained. A work of art must be available for sale within a 5 year period. Stop selling it, and you lose your copyright.

      So, if I buy a one-of-a-kind painting and hold on to it for 5 years and one month, the original artist loses his/her copyright (since it's no longer being sold) and I can sell as many copies as I like?

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    3. Re:And yet... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe that should be part of ANY copyright law. In order for copyright to be maintained. A work of art must be available for sale within a 5 year period. Stop selling it, and you lose your copyright.

      No you don't want that. If that's how the law worked, every open source project would lose their copyrights after 5 years, and the GPL, BSD license, etc. would become pretty useless. Likewise, if you and your wife videotaped yourselves having sex 6 years ago, and someone repairing your home found it and copied it, they'd be free to release it to the public with no repercussions because it was public domain.

      Copyright is for controlling distribution of a work you've created. Not necessarily making money off of it.

  10. That's great by guruevi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One can now post images of music, movies, software etc and have it be instant public-domain!

    No more copyright in UK which means ThePirateBay could legally operate there (if they jump through the hoops correctly)

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  11. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With some luck, Google's "search similar images" function may make that scheme much harder

    It's almost like you think corporations (that have interest in declaring the item "abandoned") will do a diligent search. Google "search similar images" function will be helpful if the searcher is trying to find the owner.

    And if someone falsely declares an image to be "abandoned", what are the penalties, I wonder? Would the owner have to sue to recover his or her image ownership?

    The abuse possibilities (for someone who has a legal department at ready) are practically endless!

  12. Protects individuals from copyright trolls by coldsalmon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA's author uses only examples of corporations using content created by natural persons, but I see nothing in TFA so suggest that the law only operates in this direction. According to TFA, the law permits "commercial exploitation of images where information identifying the owner is missing, so-called 'orphan works'." This would also protect an individual or small business which innocently uses an orphaned image. The legislation makes it possible to use orphaned works, which otherwise would be impossible to use legally, as it is impossible to obtain permission from the copyright holder. Wikipedia's summary of the problem is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_works

    This legislation could also prevent "copyright troll" situations like this: http://www.ryanhealy.com/getty-images-extortion-letter/

  13. Re:This just makes no sense by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't make any sense because The Register is full of shit as usual. This isn't a free for all. This is enabling legislation for one or more future (or present) licensing bodies to search for owners of apparent "orphan works" - works that at the moment cannot be used by anyone - and issue licenses.

    There's pros and cons to that. With the biggest question, does the licensing body charge for licenses, and if so who gets the money.

    What this is not is a law that will make it legal for any person, company or corporation to decide themselves that a work is an orphan, and so do what they want with it.

  14. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the point is not to find the real copyright owner. The idea is to NOT find the copyright owner. "due diligence" means a lot of things if you have enough money to pay lawyers.
    Shouting "Anybody here knows who this belongs to?" from behind your desk might be enough (again IF you have the right amount to pay lawyers. Don't try this if you are not a company.)

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  15. All your base are belong to whom? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So how would one go about looking up who owns the copyright in Zero Wing, a video game published by Toaplan, which is now a defunct company?

  16. Re:This just makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2013/april/copyright-law-reforms-in-pipeline-after-royal-assent-given-to-enterprise-and-regulatory-reform-bill/

    "Under the Government's plans, organisations that wish to use orphan works would have to conduct a 'diligent search' for the owner of orphan works before they could use the material. The searches would have to be verified as diligent by independent authorising bodies. In addition, organisations would have to pay a "market rate" to use orphan works so as rights holders could be recompensed for the use of the works if they were later identified."

  17. Re:they are doing it backwards! by robot256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're making YOUR content usable by corporations. What they are NOT doing is applying the same standard to works of corporations that no longer want your money so that Google Books et. al. can serve them up to the masses. Not surprising at all, really.

    Wouldn't it be awesome if as soon as the original rights holder stopped offering a work for convenient sale, it entered the public domain? Sure, there are a zillion loopholes in that idea, but still...

  18. Re:Great an image laundering scheme for big busine by robot256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is a good point about the treaties. Thus the law is only applicable in the hilarious circumstance where they can say to a judge, "We know the owner is a U.K. citizen, but we don't know who."

  19. Article is wildly exaggerated by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Informative

    As always when it comes to IP, the Register is wildly exaggerating to the point of trolling.

    What this bill will actually do is allow museums to use orphan works, but only if they put the market value of a licence to use them into escrow, in case the owner is found later.

    The details of how this will work haven't been published, but there's going to be a very interesting legal minefield in there.

    What's a fair market value for a modern image where CC0 alternatives exist?

    What they will do if an image is highly likely to be out of copyright? For example photo of Queen Victoria is almost certainly out of copyright, because the photographer probably died over 70 years ago. What's a fair market value for the rights to use one of the rare ones that isn't out of copyright because the photographer was young when he took it, and lived to a ripe old age, if plenty of public domain ones also exist?

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