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Variably Sunny: SCOTUS Allows Local FOIA Restrictions

v3rgEz writes "The Supreme Court ruled Monday morning that states have the right to restrict public records access to locals, meaning one more hurdle to would-be muckrakers everywhere. Even in-state requesters are harmed: It means one more bureaucratic hurdle and another excuse for agencies to respond in paper rather than electronically. MuckRock has helped file requests in all 50 states — important for projects like the Drone Census — and we're looking for more volunteers to help ensure transparency from sea to shining sea. States impacted: Alabama; Arkansas; Delaware; Georgia; New Hampshire; New Jersey; Tennessee; and Virginia. If you live in one of the above, fill out a simple form and we can help ensure that sunshine isn't restricted depending on where you live."

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  1. One area the UK got right by Albanach · · Score: 2

    While it took much longer for the UK to get a freedom of information act., it does seem much more powerful than that available in the US.

    There's no cost for most inquiries (where the cost to the government body to respond is less than £600. It covers the bulk of public bodies. Anyone, anywhere on the world can use it. Replies are expected within 20 business days.

    Combined with the Data Protection Act, and it seems UK citizens have far greater rights and protections when it comes to personal and public data than who live in the United States.

    That's not to say the UK FOIA is perfect, far from it. Exceptions are too wide, and some government bodies can be obstructive. Still it has delivered useful information that would likely not have been discovered otherwise.

    1. Re:One area the UK got right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah! Just imagine if Stephen Hawking had been British! He'd have never survived!

      lol.

    2. Re:One area the UK got right by Albanach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one is ever denied care for lack of insurance in the emergency room.

      That's simply not true. The ER does have to provide emergency care to stabilize a patient. If, however, you have cancer you can't just go to the ER for treatment. If you need an organ transplant to live you won't get one in the United States without some form of insurance/state coverage to pay for the operation and the ongoing costs. As your liver fails, you will be able to go to the ER to try and help reduce the toxins in your bloodstream or stem excessive bleeding. But once your life is no longer in danger and you are considered stabilized, you can be dischaged - even though the doctos know your only hope for survival is a transplant.

      If you are older and break a bone, the ER will treat you and set the bone in a cast whether or not you have insurance. They won't however cover the cost of physiotherapy to help you walk again afterwards.

      There are many who visit horpital emergency rooms and are denied the care they need to function or indeed to live.The largest for-profit network of hospitals, HCA, now demand up-front payment from ER patients if their condition is deemed to be not a true emergency.

    3. Re:One area the UK got right by JabberWokky · · Score: 2

      There's no cost for most inquiries (where the cost to the government body to respond is less than £600. It covers the bulk of public bodies. Anyone, anywhere on the world can use it. Replies are expected within 20 business days.

      Are you sure you'e not comparing it to Sunshine laws? What you're describing sounds like the already existing set of laws that demand most government bodies operate transparently and have openly available records (often requiring they be available online for instant viewing for free, in more recent updates). The FOIA allows citizens to request sealed and classified information: it is reviewed against a set of very limited criteria, and if it doesn't fit any, it is released. If only portions fit, those parts of the information are struck out and the rest released.

      There is some overlap between Sunshine laws and FOIA, and Sunshine laws tend to be State laws, versus FOIA, which is Federal. But most of what government agencies do in the US is already a matter of public record, and has been such from the beginning (in the past resulting in vast libraries of printed material).

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  2. One person by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If with all the Internet at your disposal you can't find one single person in the state willing to submit the FOIA request and pass you back the results, it's a good sign you're wasting everybody's time and *shouldn't* have access to the information you seek.

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    1. Re:One person by Anarchy24 · · Score: 2

      A Congressional audit has found extreme waste in the document security system... classified documents are very burdensome to track and secure. I believe it was something like 30% of all documents contain no sensitive information whatsoever. The government opposes releasing information because it can make them look bad by exposing wasteful spending, secret investigations where prosecution was declined, or the government intentionally poisoning its soldiers to test chemical weapons and "cures". A very small percentage of documents are secret because they stand to damage national security. Most are secret to cover up bad behavior because the contents would make some important people look bad.

    2. Re:One person by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the government's time. As a citizen of Virginia, it's my time. *I* paid for it.

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    3. Re:One person by Spazmania · · Score: 2

      And in case it wasn't clear, I don't want some dope from California wasting my Virginia tax dollars on some paranoid quest to find out what Virginia knows about alien abductions. If you can't at least find a like-minded Virginian to sign his name to the request, something is seriously wrong with the request.

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    4. Re:One person by Spazmania · · Score: 2

      The overwhelming majority of classified documents are classified because they were derived in part from some other document that was classified and were written by a government contractor who is not authorized to declassify any portion the prior document marked classified.

      Even if that weren't true, it has no bearing on a state government's response to FOIA requests. Classification is purely a Federal government thing where Federal FOIA rules apply.

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  3. 9th amendment by Anarchy24 · · Score: 2

    The SCOTUS loves to ignore the 9th amendment. They seem to find all these restrictions on civil liberties all over the place, because things aren't explicitly enumerated. Oh wait. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    1. Re:9th amendment by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      As long as there's a postage stamp sized piece of land somewhere in the country where you can exercise your rights, they have not been infringed.

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    2. Re:9th amendment by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The constitution restricts nothing. It grants powers to the government. Anything not explicitly granted is prohibited.

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    3. Re:9th amendment by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

      How does the ninth amendment even apply, in any way? The FOIA isn't in the constitution at all. Anyways, the SCOTUS found a long (long) time ago that the 9th amendment only applies to the federal government and isn't enforceable against the states, so even if it was in some way relevant, it still wouldn't apply, as this is a state-level FOIAs that the ruling was on.

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    4. Re:9th amendment by Zak3056 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The constitution restricts nothing. It grants powers to the government. Anything not explicitly granted is prohibited.

      "Congress shall make no law," "shall not be infringed," "excessive bail shall not be required," etc, sure sound like restrictions to me.

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    5. Re:9th amendment by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      "Congress shall make no law," "shall not be infringed," "excessive bail shall not be required," etc, sure sound like restrictions to me.

      Congratulations on demonstrating why the founding fathers didn't want to create the Bill of Rights in the first place.

      Those aren't restrictions - they're clarifications. The government never had those powers in the first place, because they were never granted to them. All the Bill of Rights does is spell it out in plain language that these are things that the government cannot do.

      (Which it does anyway: see gun control, health care laws, obscenity laws, and most recently, the refusal to allow the Boston marathon bomber his right to an attorney.)

      The Tenth Amendment tries to make this clear, but no one ever bothers to pay it any attention.

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  4. Mistagged - Better Conclusion would be.... by Notabadguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    FTFA.....

    Summing up what the court had to say:

    1. The government of a state works for the citizens of that state - who pay their salary. Not for non-state residents.
    2. Information that is freely available online or at a clerk's office does not need to be provided through a FOIA request.
    3. You do not have the right to treat the government of another state like a slave.

  5. Re:simple workaround by number17 · · Score: 2

    Until the government stonewalls.

    I used to follow the site illegalsigns.ca until its demise a year or two ago. They quite frequently crowdsourced FOIA requests until somebody in the City department decided they were frivolous. A decent article on what took place: http://torontoist.com/2008/04/no_stonewalling/.

  6. This (might be) a good thing. by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I admit, I haven't read the full thing, but as soon as I made it 1/2 a page in, I had to respond ...

    First off, this doesn't seem to be about the federal FOIA, it's about a state's act. And the limit here is that states don't have to respond to people who aren't citizens of their states. The 2006 Lee v. Minner decision (458 F.3d 194) found that Delaware wasn't allowed to have such a clause in their FOIA, so this isn't even going to affect all states.

    That being said, I'm an elected municipal official in Maryland (which falls under the Lee vs. Minner ruling, as I understand it) ... and it's possible that we'd get sued under the equivalent Maryland law, as someone recently tried to demand from us *EVERY* *LAST* business transaction that we made for the last 7 years. (I can't remember the exact wording; it's possible that we claim that the report requested was a 'new record' and thus something that didn't exist) Mind you, we have 8 employees, 3 of whom are police officers, and 3 of whom are public works. So that'd mean that we'd have to tie up our accountant or town clerk for weeks to go through all of the records, properly sanitize everything to keep from leaking restricted information (like PII, as we're so small that we have a single system that also handles payroll), which would mean that we couldn't actually serve our citizens in the process.

    Why did the person want this it? Because they were starting a website to charge businesses for access to this information.

    If a person has a legitimate need for the information, they should be able to get a citizen of the state to file the request on their behalf. How much time has been wasted in Hawaii by responding to birth certificate requests over the last few years?

    (note; I have a full time job and don't participate in the day-to-day operations of our town; I have no idea how the request ended up playing out (or if it's finished playing out yet); I believe it was sent to our attorney to deal with)

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  7. 10th amendment by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Informative

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    It seems that State held information is a State matter and not a federal one.
    It is interesting that people look upon the US as a monolithic country when it was formed more as a confederation of independent States. The states guard their sovereignty very strongly. The SCOTUS appears to see FOI requests from different states the same as FOI requests from different countries and, as it is the way the US is set up, it should. If a State does not want to respond to FOI requests from different States or countries there is no Federal power that requires them to.

    Here is a quote from the decision;

    The state FOIA essentially represents a mechanism by which those who ultimately hold sovereign power (i.e., the citizens of the Commonwealth) may obtain an accounting from the public officials to whom they delegate the exercise of that power.

  8. Re:simple workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had to read both TFS and your post multiple times before I understood that "restrict public records access to locals" meant that they are restricting everyone else from accessing those public records.

  9. just in case you didn't notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was a UNANIMOUS decision. Whatever you may think of Sarah Palin's politics, she was forced to step down as the governor of Alaska because of the cost of out-of-state FOIA requests to such a small state. If this has a cost so prohibitive that the corporations without any employees in a state can actually undermine the will of the voters of the state, then stopping such a practice is a Good Thing(TM).

  10. Re:Laws don't apply to the state! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    The people of Virgina can access their information that way. Most of the rest these out-of-state people wanted they got through other means. One guy wanted his own records related to his kids...and got it. Another wanted info already on the Internet by Virginia, and ruling he had to spend a few minutes surfing to get it rather than the cumbersome FOIA process was hardly "burdensome".

    Also, there is no constitutional right to records -- it has never been considered so historically, and is something elected officials did because citizens demanded it. Indeed, the right to inspect other peoples' records has historically been seen as a no-no.

    So if the records don't concern you directly (you, a court case, property you may want to buy, all of which have mechanisms) and you are not a Virginia citizen, tough shit. FOIA doesn't help you.

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