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Repeal of Louisiana Science Education Act Rejected

egjertse writes "A Louisiana law that opponents say leaves the backdoor open to teaching 'creationism' in public schools will stay on the books after a Senate committee Wednesday effectively killed a bill that would repeal the statute. After hours of testimony for and against House Bill 26, which repeals the 2008 Louisiana Science Education Act, the senators narrowly deferred the legislation, effectively killing it in committee. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Karen Carter Peterson, D-New Orleans."

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  1. Why? by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are we allowing people who aren't smart enough to decide what's best for children do just that? Why aren't we re-thinking how our government operates to prevent this from happening again?

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    1. Re:Why? by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What metrics do you use for determining when people are smart enough and when they aren't? I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to come up with any that don't create massive abuses.

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    2. Re:Why? by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Democracy. Rule by the people, half of whom have IQs in the double-digit range.

      Or, as Mencken put it even better: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    3. Re:Why? by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, we have democracy whenever it suits the interests of a tiny power elite. If "the people" really ruled by democracy, we'd be entangled in a lot less foreign wars, have much lower disparity in wealth distribution, no big push for austerity, no too-big-to-fail bank bailouts, etc. As it is, we get stupid crowd-pleasers like nods toward eliminating separation of church and state, but not any democratically favored changes that oppose the oligarchy.

    4. Re: Why? by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whereas evolution has not been revised since it was proposed by Darwin.

      This is blatantly wrong. Our understanding of evolution, like our understanding of gravity, has been immensely refined and elaborated since Darwin's time. Perhaps the most radical addition was the discovery of genetics --- a physical mechanism for inheritance of traits and production of variability unknown in Darwin's time. We've now got a huge array of tools to produce a far more detailed and comprehensive evolutionary model, quantitatively answering a huge number of questions left open by Darwin, while posing new ones.

  2. Re: And then there's this asshole: by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not "other ideas" just utter bullshit.

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  3. Re: And then there's this asshole: by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Close minded towards precisely the kind of fuzzy thinking based on anecdotal evidence that science was designed to avoid? Yes, I think sensible should be.

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  4. Re:History by Longjmp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    History is a breeze on these schools... they only go back 6,001 years (to include 2013).

    What puzzles me, or rather amuses me is how many of the people believing in this nonsense are happy to operate their DVD players and/or GPS (among other things) without hesitation;
    - And accept they will work, completely ignoring that those items are based on the same physical laws we determine the age of earth with.

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  5. Re:And then there's this asshole: by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Politicians are perfectly rational. They do and say exactly what it takes to get themselves re-elected. Whether or not this man believes a word of what he said, he knows full well which side his bread is buttered on.

  6. Re:So sue them. by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? It's their own kids that will suffer.

    Is this the same logic you'd use if you noticed that your neighbor came home stinking drunk and beat his kids every night? And, in case caring for the well-being of other peoples' kids is too much of a stretch for you, how about a little self-interest: you own kids are going to grow up to share the world with these guys.

  7. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because such people do not think about why their GPS works, they expect that it just does as an article of faith. In short, it's magic.

  8. Re:So sue them. by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I wouldn't use the same logic there. ... See the difference now?

    Yes, I can see that if you are a coward, standing on principle to help others is not part of your logic.

  9. Re:And then there's this asshole: by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's more the career beaurocrat track, but whatever, my point is that there was never a stupid and successful politican. Don't kid yourselves, these guys are slick fish, and it suits them just fine to let people believe they are stupid. Even the most celebrated of the ignorant politicians, GW Bush, famed for his consistent foreign policy gaffes, knew full well that his constituency didn't give one fuck about offended foreigners or their customs. The problem doesn't lie with the politicians, they're just working the system and the electorate.

  10. Re:And then there's this asshole: by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What countries are not like that? You will find those people everywhere, don't be smug and assume they're not where you live.

  11. Digital code in genes, proof that Jesus rode dinos by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "Discovery Institute", the leading purveyors of pseudo-science hokum to the Far Right, who have somehow become a "think tank" involved in creating science curriculum in more than 25 states, has started a nationwide campaign on right-wing radio programs, pushing their notion that it's the Christian Conservatives who are the "real protectors of science" not those awful secular scientists (who are probably kenyan muslims too).

    I heard their "director of research", a "Dr Stephen Meyer" who wrote a book called Darwinâ(TM)s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design on the radio earlier this week, talking about how the fact that our genes have "digital code" in them is proof of an "intelligent designer" because you can't have things like "circuits and digital code" without someone intelligent to design them.

    I'm not joking, they are spending millions on a PR campaign talking about how the Christian Right are the true lovers of science. And exhibit A is how "the science establishment" still teaches evolution.

    We are so fucked.

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  12. Re:And then there's this asshole: by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as they vote the way their consituents want them to, I think they are effectively doing their job correctly. It's only when they take corporate money, and don't listen to the people that they are doing it wrong.

    The problem is, their constituents are corporations, not meat citizens.

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  13. Re:And then there's this asshole: by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True, those people are widespread in many countries, but they usually don't run them.

  14. Re:So sue them. by cusco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't want your kids exposed to it, put them in private school or move out of state.

    Must be nice to grow up with enough wealth that it doesn't even occur to you that not every fucking person can afford private school or to pull up stakes and move to another state across country (because none of Louisiana's neighbors are any better). My niece is stuck in Louisiana for the foreseeable future, through no fault of her own. Her kids are in public schools because the private schools in her area that are affordable are all Baptist shitholes that are even worse.

    Education should be a local issue.

    Why? So that the children who grow up in Grosse Pointe Shores can get great educations to ensure that they continue to rule unopposed over the children who grow up in Benton Harbor? This was always the whole point of funding schools through local property taxes, so that the rich can forever dominate the poor no matter how intelligent and talented the poor kids might actually be.

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