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Debian 7.0 ("Wheezy") Released

First time accepted submitter anarcat writes "After two years since the last Debian release (6.0, nicknamed "squeeze"), the Debian release team has finally published Debian 7.0 (nicknamed "Wheezy"). A newly created blog has details on the release, which features multi-arch support (e.g. you can now install packages for both i386 and amd64 on the same install), improvements to multimedia support (no need for third party repositories!) and improved security through hardening flags. Debian 7.0 also ships with the controversial Gnome 3 release, and the release notes explicitly mention how to revert to the more familiar 'Gnome classic' interface. Finally, we can also mention the improved support for virtualization infrastructure with pre-built images available for Amazon EC2, Windows Azure and Google Compute Engine. Debian 7.0 also ships with the OpenStack suite and the Xen Cloud Platform. More details on the improvements can be found in the release notes and the Debian wiki." An anonymous reader points out (from the announcement) that "[t]he installation process has been greatly improved: Debian can now be installed using software speech, above all by visually impaired people who do not use a Braille device. Thanks to the combined efforts of a huge number of translators, the installation system is available in 73 languages, and more than a dozen of them are available for speech synthesis too. In addition, for the first time, Debian supports installation and booting using UEFI for new 64-bit PCs (amd64), although there is no support for Secure Boot yet."

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  1. Well done guys! by OneMadMuppet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It took a while, but all the effort was worth it.

    1. Re:Well done guys! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I didn't realize that Debian was so user-friendly.

      "Debian can now be installed using software speech, above all by visually impaired people who do not use a Braille device."

      That's pretty awesome, when you think about it. Maybe add in memories of slaving your butt off to make drivers work while trying to install Linux, and the awesomeness is increased by a couple orders of magnitude.

      I really want to see this installation - I'll download it soon. Stick disk into computer, boot up. "Computer - I want to use drive sda1 for installation. Use the existing virtual memory on drive sda3 please. Just use default partitioning on sda1, only use free space though. Yes, use enhanced security. I don't wish to join any networks. User name is Muppet. Password is CookieMonster. There will not be any other users. I choose the K desktop environment. Yes, go ahead. What? You didn't understand me? Very well - proceed."

      Yeah, I've made it all up - but that's about the way it should go. Simple, to the point, and all verbal.

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  2. Re:Outdated by kthreadd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh, kernel 3.2... this OS comes outdated out of the box.

    It's not outdated. It is well tested.

  3. Re:Upgrade Ubuntu ? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ubuntu pulls packages from Debian unstable on a rolling basis, and then has their own release cycle. So the releases of stable Debian versions aren't that relevant to Ubuntu releases.

  4. Why Debian? by andreassonjohn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone that is new to Linux I've always found Debian to be somewhat weird. I guess a lot of Debian users uses it since they are used to it. But as a new Linux user, why would I use Debian when the software is so old and outdated? We're at Firefox 20 and Debian has only version 10. OK that Firefox revs every six weeks, but you get the point. If it's old from day one then how old won't it be when Debian 8 is released.

    1. Re:Why Debian? by masternerdguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Debian places a strong emphasis on stability compared to most distros. Instead of being on the bleeding edge they are conservative and try to provide a stable, bug free, and secure system which is well tested and well understood. Debian also has an extremely strong stance of software freedom, which appeals to some people. Debian is a solid enough distribution that plenty of other distros use it as a base, that should say something about the quality of the work they do. Without Debian there'd be no Ubuntu or Linux Mint since they both pull packages from the unstable (read: under testing / "current" ) Debian repos.

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    2. Re:Why Debian? by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Without Debian there'd be no Ubuntu or Linux Mint since they both pull packages from the unstable (read: under testing / "current" ) Debian repos.

      When you look that sentence and think about it, Debian's role has changed more towards being a professional backroom workshop for other distributions. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, this kind of ecosystem seems to work great. But for many people it's not the main OS but more like a solid reference implementation. Just an observation.

    3. Re:Why Debian? by ultrasawblade · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Linux has been historically considered a good OS for servers, where uptime and stability are very important. Don't forget the Debian project goes back really far, 1993 or so if I'm not mistaken.

      Once you have a server running that many people depend on, you become change-averse to it, because change = risk. So having mature, well-tested, stable software is more important than having the latest and greatest.

    4. Re:Why Debian? by mpol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always used to feel that Debian was a bit behind the curve in regards to included packages. 10 years ago there was really visible progress, like anti-aliased fonts in GTK or the X compositor, so I went with other distro's that were more bleeding-edge. The install and configuration also was a bit hardcore (it still somewhat is, where is my DrakX?).

      Nowadays I feel it's just the right spot. No over-engineered crap like systemd or journald. You can easily disable pulseaudio. And everything and the kitchen-sink is available in the repositories. And for just Firefox or Chrome you can easily add packages. There's no real need for bleeding-edge anymore. Linux is mature and stable.

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    5. Re:Why Debian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To expand on this point: Debian enabled Ubuntu to exist, and Ubuntu got popular. There is a trend, though, that long-term Ubuntu users backtracks and find themselves using Debian instead - not least after Ubuntu's well publicized ideological and technical curiosities (Amazon integration, Ubuntu One, Unity, Mir, etc.).

      It's not a zero-sum game, so Debian is enhanced by usage of its derivatives, even though e.g. Ubuntu has grown relatively larger during the years. It's just the system working - and Debian isn't going away.

      The intercommunication under the Debian umbrella could always work better, though. In particular the one from Ubuntu towards the base maintainers in Debian. I always hate to see duplicate and unnecessary effort.

    6. Re:Why Debian? by KugelKurt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Debian places a strong emphasis on stability compared to most distros. Instead of being on the bleeding edge they are conservative and try to provide a stable, bug free, and secure system

      That generalized claim is wrong. Three prominent examples:

      The KDE Workspaces/Apps releases 4.8.4 are less stable than 4.10.2. The 4.8.x releases as well as 4.9.x reached End Of Life quite some time ago and don't receive any bugfix any longer. 4.10.2 contains many bugfixes upstream doesn't bother backporting to older releases (at least not 4.8.x which is two versions behind).

      Same with GNOME. I could understand if the package maintainers decided to use 3.6 instead of 3.8 because 3.6 still includes the Fallback Mode but 3.4 is old and unmaintained.

      Xfce 4.10 is already a year old and 4.12 should be around the corner. 4.8 just unmaintained and lacks many crucial bugfixes from 4.10.

      Not being cutting edge means not blindly jumping towards the latest dot-0 release. It means sticking to software with long term support (eg. Mozilla's ESR versions which regularly receive bugfixes).
      However skipping releases that contain many bugfixes just for the sake of shipping >1 year old software has nothing to do with providing stability or security. On the contrary.

    7. Re:Why Debian? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sort of fit into the group you're talking about.

      My intro to Debian was through Suse. I've been a distro hopper all of my Linux life, but I settled on Ubuntu as my "household" distro, because it was easy to use. The wife and kids used Ubuntu for a long time. We broke with Ubuntu when Unity came along. Now, the household distro is Linux Mint Debian. I still use anything and everything, but at home, it's Mint.

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    8. Re:Why Debian? by KugelKurt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, debian does backport all relevant security bugfixes.

      No. Wheezy’s QtWebKit is stuck at version 2.2. QtWebKit 2.3.1 is out since a while featuring many important bugfixes of which none were backported: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/qtwebkit/2.2.1-5

      Debian stable focuses in being a bugfree distribution, not a distribution comprised only of bugfree software.

      That's not what masternerdguy wrote.

      if you campare it to, say, Fedora 17's or even Kubuntu 12.04's KDE 4.8, you'll realize how marvelously quirkless Debian's KDE is and why it pays to have stabler distributions.

      And when you look at openSUSE, your whole argument falls apart: openSUSE is also relatively conservative but still manages to bring recent GNOME, KDE SC, and Xfce releases to its users. That's because the openSUSE maintainers decide on a case by case basis (eg. they waited a while to adopt systemd or Plymouth) instead of blindly picking only old software.

    9. Re:Why Debian? by andrew3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      We're at Firefox 20 and Debian has only version 10.

      From the Debian perspective there was only Firefox 10 ESR and Firefox 17 ESR. Since the freeze was made before 17 was released, version 10 was included.

    10. Re:Why Debian? by thomas.venieris · · Score: 3, Informative

      for Firefox specifically, Debian chose version 10.0 because it's an Extended Support Release version (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/) . In order to be able to support it with security fixes in the next 2-3 years. It makes perfect sense if you think about it.

  5. Missing Apache 2.4 by whtmarker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like debian is still using Apache 2.2.... no wonder nginx is gaining ground. Apache 2.4 has OCSP stapling support which gives a huge boost to SSL performance.

    1. Re:Missing Apache 2.4 by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only this, but you can use the stable Debian version as a base to install / compile whatever new stuff you want (just work your way up the upgrade path tree), this way you can choose stability in some places and newest features in others. Despite sometimes having dependency hell, I've found it even more difficult to go the opposite direction -- Installing the latest stuff, then going after the more stable things in certain places.

  6. Re:Dated, old, irrelevant to many except the dieha by masternerdguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until you put it under load on a mission critical server somewhere.

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  7. fire up your torrents! by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's your quick and easy way to give back. I don't code in c/c++, I hate writing documentation, so share some bandwidth and seed the torrents for a few hours or a few gb.

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  8. No, Debian is a free software OS via its manifesto by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    re: for many people it's not the main OS but more like a solid reference implementation.
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    That others use Debian as their "backroom workshop" does not define Debian's true role, no more than one person using another person as a slave manifests that slavery as being the defining characteristic of that other person.
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    I disagree with your statement that debain's role has changed "more towards being a professional backroom workshop for other distributions". Debian has stayed being what it has always been. It's just being used more as the foundation that supports the work of the facade builders and marketers that put a pretty face (or not-so-pretty Tammy Faye Baker clown-makeup face, if you want Gnome 3, imho) on top of all that and market it as if they made the whole thing.
    .
    I agree that Debian is a solid implementation. But I disagree with your contention that it's more like a solid reference implementation. A "reference implementation" would imply that it is a demo of some of the capabilities of what can be done and that others are to build upon it. (whoops, the second half of that sentence is actually true! That's exactly what GNU's GPL licensing allows!) A "reference implementation" implies that it's built specifically just to be a partial implementation, which debian definitely is not. While others may build atop Debian, that is not Debian's sole purpose.
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    For details on Debian's purpose, see Debian's own documentation about their "social contract", or read about it on articles about it.
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    For info about how it started and about Debian's manifesto, read about the Ian who makes up the "-ian" half of "debian" or read the original Debian Manifesto .

  9. Re:Dated, old, irrelevant to many except the dieha by jgrahn · · Score: 3, Informative

    the fact that everyone who runs debian runs the testing version just makes my point

    Except not everyone does. Most machines under my control run Debian stable, because I don't want any trouble from them. I just need them to do their job.

  10. Re:Linux 3.2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel

    Take a look at Maintenance. Linux 3.2 is the version with longest support: until 2015.

  11. Re:Outdated by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now, I am running wheezy with kernel 3.8.5. Noone keeps you from building your own kernel. It's just that the stable version (and the installer) come with 3.2.

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  12. Re:Dated, old, irrelevant to many except the dieha by Luna+Argenteus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good point, but you got it wrong from the very beginning though: it's not ``since it's old it's stable'', it's ``since it's in Debian stable, it's stable''.

  13. Re:Outdated by jakykong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've found that pulling tools together from desktop environments other than KDE and Gnome and just using a few of the indispensable apps from them is the best way to go. For example, I use Thunar instead of Nautilus or Dolphin. The simpler desktop environments tend to have more portable components, not as tied to their parent.

    Then again, except for a web browser, e-mail, and feed reader, the majority of my time is spent on a terminal anyway, so I may be the outlier here.

  14. Took a whole lot of trying - Wheezy by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fish don't fry in the kitchen,
    Beans don't burn on the grill.
    Took a whole lot of trying
    Just to get up that hill.
    Now we're up in the big leagues,
    Gettin our turn at bat.
    As long as we live
    It's you and me baby.
    There ain't nothing wrong with that.

  15. Re:Outdated by Robert+Frazier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What if one is happy with one's desktop setup from last century? Mine has, more or less, looked the same since about 1998, although I've updated the underlying packages, e.g., I now use awesome window manager rather than icewm, and I now use rxvt with unicode. I still use gnuit as my file manager (the name changed from git because of the popularity of version control program). I've tried various other things on occasion, such as Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LDXE, but I always go back to my home rolled "desktop". I'm not a programmer (academic in the humanities), but still appreciate the control this combination gives me using my very rudimentary ability to write scripts using such languages such as bash and lua.

    Best wishes,
    Bob

  16. Re:Outdated by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heh, kernel 3.2... this OS comes outdated out of the box.

    It's not outdated. It is well tested.

    Pro Tip: Guys/Girls: Do not use that phrase to describe your genitals.

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  17. Re:Outdated by jgrahn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if one is happy with one's desktop setup from last century? Mine has, more or less, looked the same since about 1998

    Mine has looked the same since 1992 or so -- it's what I ran on Solaris at the university.

    I still haven't understood what's the big deal with a desktop anyway. You need ways to move your windows around, a way (like a menu) to start your favorite GUI programs, and a way to logout. A way to lock the screen too if you have people around you. A clipboard, but that's built into X11. I can't come up with a lot more useful features, and yet there's all this heat generated by various desktops reinventing themselves and pissing people off.

  18. 3.2 supported longer by andrew3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Linux 3.2 will be supported until 2015. That's longer than the support lifetime for any other kernel version at the moment, unless the maintainer for 3.4 decides to support it past 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance