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Why Your New Car's Technology Is Four Years Old

Lucas123 writes "While you can buy a 1TB hard drive for your computer for less than $100, Ford today offers 10GB. Don't expect much more anytime soon. Apart from the obvious — a car's development process can be four years long — the automotive industry also tends to be behind the tech curve because of a lack of equipment standardization. And, while it's possible for the industry to build modular infotainment systems that could be upgraded over the life of the car, there are no plans to do so. Instead, car companies intend to offer software upgradable vehicles through 4G connectivity and data storage and entertainment streaming through the cloud, which means they have to worry less about onboard hardware reliability and standardization."

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  1. Not to mention... by Scoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'd probably rather sell you a new car with fancy new technology than let you upgrade your existing technology.

    1. Re:Not to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sell us a new car rather than a 64GB card to allow for more storage? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

      With so many cars being leased, then returned in two or three years, most people wouldn't bother replacing or upgrading anything in the car. How they can't develop a car with "hooks" for a new (eg, less than 6 months old) piece of technology is beyond me. These are top shelf engineers and I bet they could work wonders without the corporate red tape.

      TFA mentions at least one challenge. Kit in automobiles have to be built for extreme conditions (temperature range, vibrations, chemicals, dust, etc). I can see consumers grabbing a cheap pc-grade harddrive and putting it into the vehicle then complaining when it gets fried. The car manufacturer would probably be blamed, much as Microsoft gets blamed anytime a program crashes on Windows.

    2. Re:Not to mention... by jbolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Laptops are not left out in the cold to experience -20 temperatures for weeks at a time.
      Laptops are not left out in the sun to experience 130 temperatures for weeks at a time.
      Laptops don't experience the degree of shaking a car component does.
      Laptops don't have a 6-10 year life expectancy.

    3. Re:Not to mention... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Kit in automobiles have to be built for extreme conditions "

      Nice theory, in reality that does not happen. most of the electronics in your car is standard old consumer grade crap. GM is king of this. in 2001-2005 the BCM (Body Control Module) computer would wig out on most of their cars... problem was the capacitors would die because the modules were built in china with low grade caps that spewed their guts on their own after 2-3 years. I have seen the inside of the ECM, the engine computer, on most cars and there is nothing that is "extreme condition" about them.

      Your car is built as cheaply as possible to maximize profits, dont ever forget that.

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    4. Re:Not to mention... by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take a consumer hard drive, put it in a deep freeze and let it chill to -20C. Now take it out and plug it in your PC.

      Is it gonna work?

      Yes.

    5. Re:Not to mention... by dead_user · · Score: 4, Informative

      My Empeg mk2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empeg has been living in my current car for over a decade (and my jeep for 3 years before that). It uses standard ide laptop drives (dual 30gb). The same two drives have been mounted in my car since February, 1999. The only special consideration they get is the rubber mounting grommets holding the drives to the frame of the Empeg. The ONLY issues I've had with this setup was with the rotary encoder getting dirty and now the VFD is getting weak. So now I have an mp3 player that is almost old enough to drive itself that has been parked outsidein a mustang in the elements on the Gulf Coast for the entire time. Nothing on the market yet can do what the Empeg does, at least without me having to take my eyes off the road.

      I know my story is anecdotal, but I've had my car 3-5 times as long as most people keep theirs and I just haven't seen the hard drive failures you are talking about. To be fair, the empeg guys did a lot of smart things when they built it, such as using caching to memory heavily. This way that the drives could be spun down when not in use. The drives auto-parked when not active, etc.

      And remember, we're talking about laptop drives. They're slow on purpose. 5400 rpm drives are preferable in a situation like this. We're not talking about 15k server class multi-TB storage units.

    6. Re:Not to mention... by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most of the cops around here have Dell Latitude ATG laptop variants which are hardened for harsh environmental use, yet look remarkably like their unhardened versions. I've also seen plenty of Panasonic ToughBooks as well. Just an anecdotal counterpoint.

    7. Re:Not to mention... by tragedy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think there are any fundamental laws of physics that follow your claim here. Please don't go around making up imaginary laws of physics based on bad models. Of course, it may all depend on what you mean by increasing vibration. As you say, it could increase amplitude, but it could also increase the duration of the vibration. There's also no reason to think a particular, although unusual arrangement could increase the frequency as well. In fact, the right mechanical arrangement could increase amplitude, duration and frequency. Your concern about where the energy comes from is a little silly. There's plenty of energy to be exploited from the motion of the car as it is jostled around. Just look at those watches that wind themselves. While the swing arm may not be a custom designed device, the existence of such devices shows that such a thing is not absolutely impossible.

  2. Reliability needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or, it could be that older technology is more reliable, and that's needed for the service of the vehicle. Much like how SCSI drives have never been up to the same spec for capacity as their IDE counterparts because SCSI was using tried & true technology to maintain reliability. Imagine having a rash of failed 1TB HDs in vehicle infotainment systems. Backlash galore.

    Flash will fill the gap eventually, if not already happening.

    1. Re:Reliability needs by dpilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There has been enough time for it to have a known reliability - time enough to measure it.

      It may well be that new tech is more reliable - but there hasn't been time to measure that. By the time there is, today's new tech will be tomorrow's old tech.

      Accelerated life testing is all well and good, but sometimes there are new mechanisms that aren't kicked out by the old testing. Nothing beats time in grade like time in grade. Twas ever thus when life and liability is on the line.

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    2. Re:Reliability needs by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Often confusing equipment they bought 20 years ago that cost thousands of dollars and comparing them against their modern counterpart that cost a few hundred bucks.

      Interesting, I always assumed that it had an element of confirmation bias to it. "I have a hard disk from 20 years ago that still works" gets conflated with "hard disks from 20 years ago last 20 years", as they ignore all the disks that had failed.

  3. Keep the tech out of the car by ModernGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no reason to have all of this junk in a new car. The only thing one needs is a USB charging port and an aux in for the smartphone to play audio through the cars audio system. Anything else the car does will be done poorly and until more standardization ensues, shouldn't be done. Where there is standardization, there is prosperity (USB, 3.5mm audio, Bluetooth, 12V power plugs)

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  4. so to better understand this by nimbius · · Score: 5, Informative

    car companies intend to offer software upgradable vehicles through 4G connectivity and data storage and entertainment streaming through the cloud

    in english: car companies are and will continue to be behind the curve because most technology has to be tested to ensure it does not affect the engine control module, electronic stability computer, or other critical systems necessary to have a car in the 21st century. a 10gb drive may be ok, but a 1tb drive with different geometric characteristics may result in a current induction or RF interference that overrides TPMS and reports tires as too low, or for example triggers impact pre-sensors for the airbags (or worse, enabling a multistage airbag for a passenger under 45 pounds.) Having worked for a major asian automotive manufacturer, i've personally seen RF emitted from a hybrid vehicle transmission that caused unpredictable, unintentional airbag detonation. after 6 months of additional testing it had been resolved before the vehicle entered production, but the fix produced another bug that resulted in TBW signal corruption and a sharp vehicle accelleration, followed by a forced shutdown as the vehicle detected the condition.

    TL;DR: your car has more technology than most people readily consider. slow and steady is a good thing.

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  5. Am I the only one? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one that doesn't want a car that needs software updates?

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  6. Re:the gizmos = huge pr0fit$ by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's because a lot of manufacturers bundle together unrelated systems for upgrade packages. Want in-dash navigation? You have to get our Deluxe Travelling Upgrade for only $2499, which includes a moonroof, spoiler and complimentary handjob.

  7. Re:A $15 dollar SD car gives me more. by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem here is that you will loose a lot of the things which make the engines smaller (better managing of head-gasket displacement, so smaller bore and stroke to get the same amount of power), more efficient (direct fuel injection and stroke cycles), less polluting (no need for a leaded fuel to get burn and temperatures necessary for combustion not to mention the catalytic converters), quieter (see the previous reasons), and generally more pleasant to be around as I am not choking on the smog created by the engine when it is started up.

    I, for one, like to have all of those things in my car and any future cars I wish to purchase. Of course those things will require special tools. Working on engines have always required special tools.

    There is a certain amount of missing the forest for the trees in your statement, I feel.

  8. safety tech by schlachter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the tech I care about is safety related...I can't wait until all this stuff is standard equip

    blindspot detection
    lane departure
    collision detection
    adaptive cruise control
    electronic brake distribution / ABS
    navigation

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    1. Re:safety tech by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you need technology in the car to tell you that you have just been in a collision, then I don't think you should be driving,

  9. Standard DIN anyone? by bertomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    International standard ISO 7736. Cars have had "modular infotainment systems" for as long as I can remember. My old Z car had an am radio, that later upgraded to FM cassette, then added a 6-disc CD changer, then when the changer finally died, yanked it all, installed a flip out 7" LCD w/bluetooth, NAVi, Pandora, etc. Every car I ever owned eventually got some kind of upgrade to the "infotainment system." What I see happening is bluetooth taking the show, and your phone does everything else, the car would only have an amp, speakers, touchscreen, and bluetooth, that is all, it doesn't NEED a hd, no 4G, no disks, no computer, nothing. Want an upgrade? Get a new phone, or may only need an app for that.

  10. Re:the gizmos = huge pr0fit$ by berashith · · Score: 5, Funny

    how frequent is the handjob?

  11. Automotive development time by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I spent 3 years (2003~2006) working with a company to deliver MP3 Car Stereos for GM. I believe they still deliver vehicles with them, but keep in mind, very little change had occurred in car stereos before that. Telematics (Auto PCs) had been worked on, too, I was involved with projects at Visteon and Lear, but that was 1999~2002 time frame, and the technology just wasn't there.

    There is also a lot more to development of automotive ANYTHING. Electronics have to be a lot more robust (-40degF~140degF, high humidity, vibration, shock, etc...), materials used have to match the car interiors (and be properly made to not fade 'differently' from the rest). Once a product is usable, it goes through a lot of tweaking, as product line engineers determine calibrations to set (like lighting, for example). Failure Modes need to be sorted out to make it as bullet-proof as possible.

    Oh, and LOTS AND LOTS of testing. On the bench, in the cars...

    We had looked at jumpstarting more advanced tech, like HDDs in the radios to act as radio 'DVRs' and store user's audio tracks. At the time, drives were cost prohibitive and there were still too many legal issues to make it practical.

    Mix in the regulatory issues like Driver Distraction, and an immature market, and there are good reasons why design hasn't settled down yet. It's just not as simple as throwing in a general purpose PC with a touchscreen mounted to the dash.

    Five years ago, we (drivers) were all buying dedicated GPS units - now we get those features in our smart phones and tablets and desire integration into the car. Dashcams are all the rage in Russia, and probably should be everywhere else. Cars are getting smarter with vision systems (having worked on some of those systems now in use, you cannot imagine just how complicated those are) that do everything from detecting lane changes, signs and oncoming headlights (to dim brights) to braking for unexpected hazards.

    The problem with this, and why I bring it up, is that we have no idea what form factors and features we'll demand in 5 years. Automotive, much like mobile, is undergoing tremendous growth where automation is concerned. Unlike mobile, there are still a lot of things computers can do for us as features of our cars that we really haven't fully figured out yet.