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Intel Details Silvermont Microarchitecture For Next-Gen Atoms

crookedvulture writes "Since their debut five years ago, Intel's low-power Atom microprocessors have relied on the same basic CPU core. That changes with the next generation, which will employ an all-new Silvermont microarchitecture built using a customized version of Intel's tri-gate, 22-nm fabrication process. Silvermont ditches the in-order design of previous Atoms in favor of an out-of-order approach based on a dual-core module equipped with 1MB of shared L2 cache. The design boasts improved power sharing between the CPU and integrated graphics, allowing the CPU cores to scale up to higher speeds depending on system load and platform thermals. Individual cores can be shut down completely to provide additional clock headroom or to conserve power. Intel claims Silvermont doubles the single-threaded performance of its Saltwell predecessor at the same power level, and that dual-core variants have lower peak power draw and higher performance than quad-core ARM SoCs. Silvermont also marks the Atom's adoption of the 'tick-tock' update cadence that guides the development of Intel's Core processors. The successor to Silvermont will be built on 14-nm process tech, and an updated microarchitecture is due after that."

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  1. Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by spamchang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Silvermont is a just core (CPU). It sits inside an SoC (system on chip), and your final power figures will still depend on the efficiency of the rest of the SoC (the GPU, the IO interfaces, the memory interfaces, any other dedicated hardware, etc.). And even then, the integration of technology is getting to the point where the SoC's power consumption is only a partially limiting factor in battery life. During lower power states and standby states, the comms units, the display, etc. can all consume way more power than the core.

    1. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by Amouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      During lower power states and standby states, the comms units, the display, etc. can all consume way more power than the core.

      Which is great really, because only a few years ago it was top of the list for power consumption. once it gets to the bottom, then we can start picking up the next heavy hitter to power consumption. It makes sense to work on what is hurting the most, and the CPU was hurting the most, now we can shift focus on to the next big one. Although that doesn't mean the CPU group should slow down, else they will soon be back at the top of that list.

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    2. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      If we keep this up, then eventually we'll have computers with negative power consumption and I can start using it as an air conditioner rather than a space heater.

    3. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm in Canada. I use AMD in the winter and Intel in the summer.

    4. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But wouldn't your work get undone? I'd rather not have negative fps when gaming.

    5. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Damn you, Gene Amdahl!

    6. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All fun asside, the largest heat generators in my setup are the screens, not the CPU, HD or the rest. While the computer uses 50-60W (AMD+nVidia 650+16G+2HD) at idle, the 3 LCD screens are well over 200W. And even if I upgraded to all LED LCDs, it would still be more than 2x the computer.

      The largest improvement in heat reduction from the computer has been replacement of a regular power supply with a APF correcting, 80-90% efficiency power supply.

      Inefficient power supplies are by far the largest waste of power, not AMD vs. Intel idle processors. Those are almost the same. And performance/watt, who cares if your CPU is 95+% idle? (like typical home CPU)

    7. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      80Plus ratings only measure PSU efficiency down to 20% capacity. Chances are at a mere 50W idle, you're running well below that level.

    8. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      your *PFC power supply doesnt do that much if the house you live in is already (it should be) doing this to the different plugs about your house

    9. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by amorsen · · Score: 1

      your *PFC power supply doesnt do that much if the house you live in is already (it should be) doing this to the different plugs about your house

      That makes no sense. How would the house cure phase distortion?

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    10. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Intel used to make a nice winter space heater: Pentium 4.

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    11. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Which is great really, because only a few years ago it was top of the list for power consumption.

      That's utter nonsense. Displays (backlights in particular) have always consumed several times as much as the CPU being used. This is true at least back to 386 laptops, and I haven't ever seen an exception... I supposed some idiot, somewhere, might have crammed a Pentium-4 Extreme Edition in a tiny laptop, but I'm doubtful you can find a salable device anywhere, where the CPU was the biggest power consumer.

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    12. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      well a quick google search for "laptop power consumption by component" first link is a PDF

      http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.87.5604&rep=rep1&type=pdf

      Which is a fairly nicely done research paper, sure in idle the screen is the most, but under load the CPU dominates, and that is very true even in a lot of newer laptops..

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    13. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      To be fair though - even current Clover Trail Atom SoCs are astoundingly low power. It's one of the few good things about the Win8 tablet I bought. The (30Wh) battery lasts surprisingly long... I haven't gotten below 50% in a day (and that's with extremely heavy use, with nearly permanent inking in OneNote). I'd say I'm averaging less than 2W total power consumption (that's including the display and network connections).

    14. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see them cover power consumption for idling CPU vs idling (dimmed and sleeping) display then. It's unfair to compare otherwise.

      I can see both situations in which the CPU will be (mostly) idle but the screen will be active (ie. reading, writing code, looking at photos) and times when the CPU will be active but the display will be dimmed or asleep (ie. servers, rendering, compiling).

    15. Re:Chips with 5x lower power consumption? by spamchang · · Score: 1

      Mobile Atoms on the market today (i.e. Medfield) under idle/sleeping conditions are competitive with any ARM processor on the market.

  2. peak power lower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If power consumption when lightly loaded is competitive with ARM, then Intel may have something. Peak power consumption isn't as important for devices where the cpu is never pegged, or only pegged for a tiny fraction of a percentage of total time the cpu is running.

    I have one arm dev board with an exynos4 on it, that has a huge heatsink on top. Pull the heatsink, and you never get even close to speed/power consumption when running with heatsink at 100% cpu. I have yet to see a phone with a heatsink as big as the phone, so I suspect that these phones *never* see 100% cpu, or only see it for such a short period of time (before thermal throttling takes place), that peak power usage is meaningless for most devices using arm SOCs.

    I hope Intel pulls it off. It would be nice if power consumption factored larger in their other offerings too.

    1. Re:peak power lower by GoatCheez · · Score: 1

      Got an ODROID also?

    2. Re:peak power lower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's it (idle power consumption) isn't it. Most phones/tablets are idle or under very light load almost all day and ARM's offerings are just barely adequate.

    3. Re:peak power lower by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      I have yet to see a phone with a heatsink as big as the phone

      Why not? Seriously. Why can't a phone chassis be made of aluminum be the heatsink at the same time? There have been a few silent computer cases that have done this using heat-pipes. No reasons the chassis can't be affixed to the CPU via a thermal pad. At the very least, it makes for a nifty hand warmer in the winter time (j/k).

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    4. Re:peak power lower by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Have you taken a look at the Atom Z2760? Running full Windows 8, it feels noticeably faster than most mainstream ARM SoCs... definitely faster than my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7. That may be down to the RAM though.

    5. Re:peak power lower by spamchang · · Score: 1

      It's possible--Intel and ARM both have SoCs in mobile phones right now, and none of those phones have heatsinks as you've described :) You can run the processors fairly hot, but when you trip a certain thermal limit, CPU throttling will kick in. For the amount of time you can run a processor at 100% speed without throttling, you ought to be able to finish whatever it was that you needed to do...don't loop Dhrystone all day!

    6. Re:peak power lower by spamchang · · Score: 1

      Might also be that magic 24 fps framerate that UX designers have pegged as the golden standard for smoothness :) But Clover Trail SoCs can have a max CPU freq of 2GHz.

  3. AMD by chevelleSS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's going to be interesting to compare this to AMD's new G-series low power processors. The G-series will have a GPU attached similar to what will go into the PS4 and the XBOX720

    1. Re:AMD by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

      If by similar you mean 1/18th the performance.

    2. Re:AMD by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, they are more successful than the Z-60, a product that had so few design wins that it almost never existed:
      http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/06/where-are-amds-z-60-tablets/

  4. how much will these cost? by alen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they cost the $649 the iphone 5 or Galaxy S4 cost what is the point in switching?

    i'd rather buy something that has market share unless there is a compelling reason t buy something else

    1. Re: how much will these cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cost is a factor but I doubt it will cost $649. Apple probably won't switch because they have heavily customized their ARM chips. It would take a major feature for them to switch.

    2. Re:how much will these cost? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intel's Atom processors typically retail for $30-$80, with some being more, some less. OEM pricing is lower. That's just the CPU so it's not directly comparable to ARM-based SoCs which I hear cost about $15-$25. So Intel is substantially higher priced, but not ruinously so from an end-user's purchase standpoint. Certainly not $650.

      The more interesting thing to watch will be how this impacts the broader computing market. Intel has managed to stay ahead of the competition buoyed by the enormous profits it generates from its Core CPUs, which typically sell for $100-$400. As CPUs get faster, the general population can get by with something lower down the product chain. I've already been recommending i3s to most of my customers for the last couple years. I'm very close to dropping the bar to high-end Atom or AMD CPUs. As more and more of Intel's sales shift towards these lower-end CPUs, their overall profit margin will start to dry up. It's going to be interesting to watch how they'll react to that.

    3. Re:how much will these cost? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      i3 for low profile notebook users. i5 for desktops and laptops that use a docking station, and i7 if you're doing multi-media or other workstation class functionality (CAD, geophysics, etc).

      For in office desktop computers such as a Dell OptiPlex 3010 or 7010 series, I recommend an i5 as anti-virus software and Windows Updates including .NET updates (trustedinstaller.exe and mscoree.dll) can take a substantial amount of processing power. Also, if you plan on backing up to the cloud or providing remote IT assistance (LMI, Team Viewer, VNC), there's some real-time compression going on that will chew through cycles as well. And lastly, software bloat. Throughout the life of these computers, they will be tapping into that i5 more often than they did when brand new.

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  5. Perfect example of market driving innovatoin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see small low power chips advancing much faster then mainstream PC architecture style chips.

    I wonder if they'll play catch up before we see more advance in the Moores Law department?

    -don't mod me, I'm just a curious ac

  6. Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    ARM and Samsung have the mobile SoC market by the balls. Atom became irrelevant when netbooks gave way to tablets and phablets.

    Companies like Intel and Microsoft should really stop chasing the smartphone and tablet bandwagon and focus on what they're good at: desktops and servers.

    If they remain on this idiotic path, they run the risj of alienating their traditional customers AND never catching up to the mobile markets they drool over.

    1. Re: Atom is dead!! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Rumor has it that the first iPads ran on Atom and Apple found their power consumption to be too much for acceptable usage. If true, Apple thought that using a different chip architecture that they didn't use before was worth the hassle than working with Atom. Remember the iPad came first then got shelved for the iPhone.

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    2. Re:Atom is dead!! by asm2750 · · Score: 0

      Don't be too sure. Atom is useful in thin client and industrial PC markets like VIA.

      However, I don't see the Asian phone makers switching to Atom, thanks to Qualcomm and Samsung. I do however, see Nokia and maybe all of Motorola switching to Intel.

    3. Re:Atom is dead!! by kernelpanicked · · Score: 1

      Not quite. Atom is still good for non-gaming low-powered workstations and laptops. Pretty much every current computer I use, except the i5 at work that my boss pays the electric bill for.

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    4. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong.

      Atom shines in thin clients and low power workstations, and things like home-theater PCs. I love mine for a home web server, media server, and media player. We even use it for simple word processing, Internets, and old games with no issues (running lightweight Linux). No offering from ARM or Samsung could do what I do with my Atom machine, although this is partly do to with the capabilities of the accompanying NVidia chipset.

    5. Re: Atom is dead!! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      He may be referring to the idea, not to the product on sale. (That's from Jobs' mouth, not mine.)

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    6. Re:Atom is dead!! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No offering from ARM or Samsung could do what I do with my Atom machine

      If by "what I do with my Atom machine", you mean running x86 code, then perhaps you're right, but why exactly do you think that a 4-core, 1.5-2 GHz ARM solution with appropriate peripherals wouldn't be able to do the same thing?

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    7. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is there an ARM-based board on the market with PCIe, at least 4 SATA ports, e-SATA, HDMI 1.4, Dual-link DVI, S/PDIF, 7.1 Audio? If there are, they are hard to find, but there are multiple Atom offerings. I require and use all of these things, but like a relatively low-power package. I'm not willing to solder up my own board either.

    8. Re:Atom is dead!! by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Atom shines in thin clients and low power workstations, and things like home-theater PCs.

      I agree (speaking from 2009) and (even here in 2013) still use an Atom(ION) HTPC. I love it, as far as hardware-I-already-have goes. But you need to check out the lowest-power Ivy Bridge and upcoming Haswells. They are seriously encroaching on what used to be Atom's power usage, except much much faster and without the need for any Nvidia chips or drivers. I am not kidding: think carefully and look at what's available, before you buy another Atom (or Bobcat) board. Atom is either a has-been in this area, or is fading fast. If Atom's going to continue, it has to invade ARM's market, because Haswell is invading Atom's market.

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    9. Re: Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah apple has never changed out chipssets.... They are still using motorola right?

    10. Re:Atom is dead!! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Is there any reason why an ARM core on a SoC couldn't have those peripherals integrated? You're talking about "ARM" and "Samsung", but what you're asking for is a board with connectors. Especially it doesn't make sense to ask ARM, of all companies, to deliver a board with connectors to you when all they do is to license CPU cores to SoC manufacturers. ARM doesn't even do their own silicon, the board is two companies removed. Truth is, I'm slowly getting more and more pissed as well, but you're really barking up the wrong tree.

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    11. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it's not ARM or Samsung who makes boards, but the point still stands. I'm just sick of all the people constantly saying Why use Atom when ARM is better. Maybe it is on paper, but who the hell cares if no product exists which has the same peripherals as Atom boards currently on the market.

      Even if ARM SOCs are just as capable on paper, you still can't use them for things which you can use Atom-based systems with if no product exists with the right peripherals. You cannot do the same things on very many ARM-based systems unless you build a board yourself. I'm just sick of people saying they're just as good or better than Atom systems, when there is no product out there which will actually do whet the ARM fanboys actually claim.

    12. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Realist: ARM-systems can't do what Atom systems can.
      ARM Fanboy: ARM is better and can do everything.
      Realist: Show me how, using products which exist.
      ARM Fanboy: Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

    13. Re: Atom is dead!! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple first built tablet prototypes before the iPhone. When they realized they could shrink the components enough to make a cell phone, they shifted to making the iPhone first. This detail came from Jobs himself.

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    14. Re:Atom is dead!! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Neither the first line nor the second actually apply to this discussion, if you read carefully. But that would require reading comprehension, nicht wahr?

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    15. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      although this is partly do to with the capabilities of the accompanying NVidia chipset.

      It's entirely due to that. Take any ARM chip and pair it with hardware acceleration for media playback/transcoding and you can do everything you mentioned.

    16. Re:Atom is dead!! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Not on price, though it appears that this generation of Atom and Core are not very different. I suspect they will continue to converge in future generations until there are various flavors in a wider range of the same base technology.

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    17. Re:Atom is dead!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Atom runs my home dlna, http, smb server just fine:
      [root@merlin ~]# more /var/run/dmesg.boot
      Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project.
      Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
                      The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
      FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
      FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0: Sun Jan 6 13:43:13 EST 2013
              root@atom1.comcast.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATOM1 amd64
      CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz (1866.77-MHz K8-class CPU)
          Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x30661 Family = 6 Model = 36 Stepping = 1 Features=0xbfebfbff
          Features2=0x40e39d
          AMD Features=0x20100800
          AMD Features2=0x1
          TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics
      real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB)
      avail memory = 8227819520 (7846 MB)
      Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600
      ACPI APIC Table:
      FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs
      FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 HTT threads
        cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0
        cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 1
        cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2
        cpu3 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 3

      [root@merlin ~]# uname -a
      FreeBSD merlin 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0: Sun Jan 6 13:43:13 EST 2013 root@atom1:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATOM1 amd64

    18. Re:Atom is dead!! by spamchang · · Score: 1

      They will converge until one cannibalizes much of the other's market on the power consumption spectrum (guess which).

    19. Re:Atom is dead!! by spamchang · · Score: 1

      Atom is going to more than just consumer phablet market segments. While you laugh, the roadmap is being laid down way outside the scope you just described.

  7. INTC is now at $23.87 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You already lost $12.00, congratulations!

    1. Re:INTC is now at $23.87 by WagonWheelsRX8 · · Score: 2

      Yet their P/E is almost 10x better than ARMH... Stock Market = Kentucky Derby these days, everyone bets on the hot new horse trying to make a quick buck.

  8. More than one thing on the screen by tepples · · Score: 1

    Atom became irrelevant when netbooks gave way to tablets and phablets.

    ARM tablets and phablets failed to make showing more than one thing on the screen at the same time a standard feature. If a tablet's screen is as big as three phones' screens, why can't it run three phone apps side by side? The only tablets that ship with multi-window multitasking as a standard feature of the operating system are Surface Pro and other Windows 8 tablets, and these use x86.

    1. Re:More than one thing on the screen by afidel · · Score: 1

      Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 has multi-window support.

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    2. Re:More than one thing on the screen by tepples · · Score: 1

      Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 has multi-window support.

      The problem is that the feature you mention is specific to Samsung products as opposed to being a standard feature of Android, and I've read that it only works with a few applications because Android applications are normally allowed to assume that the screen size never changes after installation. Do you expect every developer of an Android application to buy a Galaxy Tab 2 in order to certify the application for multi-window mode?

    3. Re: More than one thing on the screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works in the Galaxy S4 as well.

  9. 22nm my rear end by tyrione · · Score: 0

    I love reading articles from back in December that call out Intel's bs. http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/markets/intel-has-no-process-advantage-2012-10/

    1. Re:22nm my rear end by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

      I love seeing articles that scream about their bias in the headline.

      "Intel Has No Process Advantage In Mobile, says ARM CEO"

    2. Re:22nm my rear end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is from 2012 when Atom was on ancient 32nm (Intel didnt give 2 shits about Atom). Intel is finally going to use the latest fabs rather than the old ones for mobile. So yes, Intel NOW will have a significant process advantage in mobile. Intel will have 22nm mobile SoCs this year. Other ARM chips like the Exynos5 come in either 32nm or 28nm. Next year Intel will push Atom to 14nm and maintain its lead.

    3. Re:22nm my rear end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps a clue from the date of that article would have made you ask yourself "have Intel changed anything since then so I don't look like a tool when I post this". Had you asked yourself that and checked perhaps you would have thought twice about posting it.

  10. Ghandi's rules for Atom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First ARM ignores Atom.
    Then ARM laughs at Atom.
    Then ARM fights Atom.
    Then Atom wins..

  11. Just in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. to taste some of the Windows RT fail..

    (There is no real need of x86 tablet processors..)

    1. Re:Just in time by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The only case - if Atom/Fusion tablets could somehow run Windows 7 apps on Windows 8

  12. When headlines like this are science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hm. My first thought when reading the headline was to imagine a world where a scientist is making this announcement about real atoms. Absolutely mind-blowing.

  13. AMD64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering when we'll see AMD64 support on their Atom offerings. You don't see ARM's 64-bit offerings on phones yet, but their higher-end offerings need to handle that kind of memory. Meanwhile there are multiple phones with 2GB of main memory in circulation, I doubt it will be too much longer before phones need to handle that kind of memory.

    1. Re:AMD64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Atom-330 from several years ago which runs 64-bit Windows and Linux just fine.

  14. Graphics weak by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    Silvermont looks pretty good. The only weak spot is the Graphics. It only has 4 EU compaired to the 16 EU in the HD 4000. The article says "I wouldnâ(TM)t be too surprised to see something at or around where the iPad 4â(TM)s GPU is today". That's pretty unlikely. If you consider that iPad4 has 76.8 GFLOPS. The Silvermont GPU would have to be clocked at 1200 Mhz to achieve the same performance - (only the top end Ivy Bridge parts are clocked that high)

  15. Netbook 2.0 is coming by caywen · · Score: 1

    Always hard to read the tea leaves, but I predict a wave of new netbooks that will catch the market by surprise. I believe a wave of $350 netbooks running Bay Trail and Windows 8.1 will prove pretty popular. This will, of course, cannibalize the $1000 ultrabook sales, so this isn't to say it will be a revenue success. But Bay Trail would definitely make Netbook 2.0 pretty compelling.

    1. Re:Netbook 2.0 is coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already have a 300 dollar chromebook thank you very much. I think it has a celeron or something like that. I am very glad I will never need to learn to use windows vista78.

  16. Re:AMD's Jaguar slaughters Intel's Silvermont by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You raise some interesting points, however a couple of statements really don't sit well with me. From what I've seen so far, Jaguar can't compete against Silvermont on a power consumption basis. Also, Intel doesn't need to pay software developers to write single threaded software as writing multi threaded software is hard.

  17. Numbers may be subject to change.. by hsa · · Score: 2

    * Numbers may be subject to change once verified with actual the parts.

    http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6936/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-06%20at%2011.16.42%20AM.png

    So this is marketing pulling figures out of somewhere and posting them as the Ultimate Truth, without actually having the hardware to test them with?

  18. I can never remember by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 0

    Is 'Tick' when the add more DRM and 'Tock' when they add the backdoors for the state security organs, or is it the other way around?

  19. Re:An out-of-order execution, ha? How nice. only t by unixisc · · Score: 1

    When on earth did China manufacture Alphas? They were originally fabbed only by DEC, then Mitsubishi & Samsung got into the act, finally, DEC fabs were sold to Intel, and Compaq/HP ended the processor. China was never involved in its manufacture.

    Even for MIPS, China was never involved. Loongson was a Chinese company licensing a subset of the MIPS instruction set and making a CPU based on that. It however is different from the MIPS in that it supports certain x86 instructions on-chip, which of course defeats the idea of going RISC in the first place. Nor does it support the entire MIPS instruction set

  20. Re:AMD's Jaguar slaughters Intel's Silvermont by spamchang · · Score: 1

    Looks like AMD's budgeted priority for their marketing staff at the expense of their engineering staff is paying off.