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Peppers Seem To Protect Against Parkinson's

DavidHumus writes "A recent study indicates that consuming vegetables from the Solanaceae family, which includes tomatoes and peppers (as well as tobacco), decreases the risk of contracting Parkinson's disease. Earlier studies had shown that smoking tobacco seems to provide protection against the disease and the newer one seems to confirm that the key ingredient is nicotine, which is present in some vegetables like peppers."

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  1. ah tobacco by ThorGod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You wont get Parkinson's because you'll be dead before it could form.

    (sardonic)

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    1. Re:ah tobacco by ClioCJS · · Score: 2

      Tobacco only kills 50% of its users, and in most cases only after age 60.

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    2. Re:ah tobacco by Dave+Emami · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Native Americans smoked the heck out of it for centuries, and you never really hear about them dying in droves from lung or other cancer caused by smoking tobacco.

      Given the low average life expectancy of people living that close to nature, or in pre-industrial society in general, I doubt any negative effects of tobacco would have had any statistically-significant impact. Same with genetic tendency of people from sub-Saharan Africa towards higher rates of heart disease -- the vast majority of people didn't live long enough for that to matter. Likewise with lactose tolerance -- when food is chronically scarce, the extra calories from being able to consume dairy products are much more important than the drawbacks of the accompanying increase in saturated fat consumption. It's only in the last couple centuries or so that things like heart disease, stroke, and cancer have climbed up the causes-of-death list, because people have (mostly) stopped dying of starvation, malnutrition, and water/airborne diseases.

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    3. Re:ah tobacco by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

      Low average life expectancy is usually caused by high infant mortality, so as long as they survive past childhood, they tended to live to the same ages that we live to. It's a myth that people used to die after reaching 30.

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    4. Re:ah tobacco by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      "Grandpa was a heavy smoker. Lived to be nearly 80. Had Parkinson's real bad."

      How the fuck did he light his cigarettes then?

      Carefully.

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    5. Re:ah tobacco by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, I agree completely about average life expectancy which is most strongly affected by infant deaths which is the main area that modern medicine has made huge advances in.

      What I was attempting to point out is that it is a fallacy that most people in medieval times (or earlier) only lived until they were 30 or so. Yes, the average life expectancy at birth was approximately 30 years for medieval Britain, but at age 21 the average life expectancy would be 64 which is not very different to the situation today in some countries (world average is around 67).

      By the way, thanks for twisting my explanation into some hare-brained argument.

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    6. Re:ah tobacco by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Even after correcting for an early death in childhood, people on average didn't live as long as today. Main reason are bacterial infections we routinely cure today with antibiotics, and which can be deadly if left untreated.

      The Native Americans had less disease because they practiced less animal husbandry; most of them, none at all. They only got horses after Europeans showed up with them and a lot of them escaped and many of them didn't even associate with canines. The Pomo people who still live in the area now known as Lake County, CA used to regularly live past a hundred years on a diet primarily consisting of fish and acorns; today that lifestyle is unavailable as the oaks were cut down by settlers offered one dollar per walnut tree planted, and the tailings from cinnabar mining for mercury production washing into the lake. The lake is known as "Clear Lake", presumably because it once was. Fertilizer runoff and other factors have led to it being choked with algae and hydrilla, and it is always quite green. Some years it looks from above as if you could walk on it. About one year in three it smells, quite literally, like a sewage treatment plant.

      Of course, the Native Americans' lack of animal diseases meant a lack of resistance to those diseases, and by the time the settlers landed on Plymouth Rock, their population had already been reduced dramatically due to exposure of the diseases brought by the Spanish, with credible estimates of the reduction ranging from fifty to ninety percent. Hooray for Guns, Germs, and Steel, I guess.

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  2. Tomacco. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tomacco.

  3. Paging Mr. Fox by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know it's in bad taste, but I'd pay anything to see Michael J Fox doing a Frank's RedHot Commercial splattering sauce everywhere while having a case of the shakes.

    I PUT THAT SH*T ON EVERYTHING!!!!

    1. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by dontgetshocked · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your right, it is in very bad taste. You should be ashamed of yourself and why Slashdot awards you points is beyond me. Having a Neurological disease myself, it is very offensive. You are the kind of person who laughs at others misfortunes. Sad!

    2. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lighten up, Francis. I'm going in for neurosurgery in a week to fix 18 months of severe neck pain and I'm cracking jokes about it. I even asked the neurosurgeon about neck-bolts.

    3. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Having a Neurological disease myself

      Lacking a sense of humour is called a neurological disease now?

    4. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Informative

      News flash: Jokes come at the expense of somebody|thing. Sometimes it's you.

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    5. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a neurological disease and didn't think it offensive. I also didn't think it funny. You choose whether to be offended. Choose to not be offended, and you'll be a happier person.

    6. Re: Paging Mr. Fox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The person reading it, primarily

    7. Re:Paging Mr. Fox by ClioCJS · · Score: 2

      I said somebody/thing, not somebody. In this case, I think the main victim is humor itself. That joke gave me cancer.

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  4. Re:MJF by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but ya know that time traveling shit did have some side effects.

  5. nightshade family by WGFCrafty · · Score: 4, Informative

    &The title says peppers but it says nicotine is actually the chemical at work. There are actually a few positive effects nicotine possesses, the negative effects of smoking are mediated by the oxidation products of cigarettes.

    There are actually quite a few common plants in the family with varying levels of nicotine in each part (tomatoes vs the leaves). Some, like datura (moon flower/jimsons or devils weed) contain scopalamine and atropine and are deleriants. From wiki:

    The family includes Solanum (potato, tomato, eggplant), Physalis philadelphica (tomatillo), Capsicum (chili pepper, bell pepper), Petunia, Datura, (Cape gooseberry flower), Mandragora (mandrake), Nicotiana (tobacco), Atropa belladonna (deadly nightshade), Lycium barbarum (wolfberry), and Physalis peruviana.

    1. Re:nightshade family by macraig · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Insects are anything but addicted to it. It' kills 'em dead. That's the entire reason the nicotine is flowing through plants' veins in the first place: it's their natural insecticide.

      Now why anybody would wanna smoke insecticide.... ;-)

    2. Re:nightshade family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some countries call them "capsicums", even when speaking English.

      Like most misnamed items from the New World, this was apparently Columbus' fault. He tasted a chili pepper, his crazy genocidal brain decided it tasted like peppercorn, and the rest is history.

    3. Re:nightshade family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, crazy. Yes, genocidal.

      When he arrived on Hispaniola in 1508, Las Casas says, "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." Thus began the history, five hundred years ago, of the European invasion of the Indian settlements in the Americas. ...
      Past the elementary and high schools, there are only occasional hints of something else. Samuel Eliot Morison, the Harvard historian, was the most distinguished writer on Columbus, the author of a multivolume biography, and was himself a sailor who retraced Columbus's route across the Atlantic. In his popular book Christopher Columbus, Mariner, written in 1954, he tells about the enslavement and the killing: "The cruel policy initiated by Columbus and pursued by his successors resulted in complete genocide."

      That is on one page, buried halfway into the telling of a grand romance. In the book's last paragraph, Morison sums up his view of Columbus:

      "He had his faults and his defects, but they were largely the defects of the qualities that made him great-his indomitable will, his superb faith in God and in his own mission as the Christ-bearer to lands beyond the seas, his stubborn persistence despite neglect, poverty and discouragement. But there was no flaw, no dark side to the most outstanding and essential of all his qualities-his seamanship."

      One can lie outright about the past. Or one can omit facts which might lead to unacceptable conclusions. Morison does neither. He refuses to lie about Columbus. He does not omit the story of mass murder; indeed he describes it with the harshest word one can use: genocide.

      But he does something else-he mentions the truth quickly and goes on to other things more important to him. Outright lying or quiet omission takes the risk of discovery which, when made, might arouse the reader to rebel against the writer. To state the facts, however, and then to bury them in a mass of other information is to say to the reader with a certain infectious calm: yes, mass murder took place, but it's not that important-it should weigh very little in our final judgments; it should affect very little what we do in the world.

      Howard Zinn, The People’s History of the United States

      Among the Taino people of Hispaniola, Columbus decreed a system of tribute, requiring each adult to submit a specified quantity of gold, on pain of death. But he was also fervently determined to spread the Christian faith. Christianize or exploit? Convert or enslave? The two goals were plainly antithetical. For a time, Columbus hoped to resolve the quandary by enslaving the diabolical Caribs and converting the more benign peoples. But what did conversion even mean? A priest wrote that “force and craft” were required to impose Christianity on the Indians, but there was little hope that they would observe the rites after their overlords had left.

      The Less Than Heroic Christopher Columbus, IAN W. TOLL,The Less Than Heroic Christopher Columbus

      I'm just taking the first things I find on Google, this shit isn't hard to find

  6. Been listening to Sgt. Pepper's for years by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I got that goin' for me. Which is nice.

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    1. Re:Been listening to Sgt. Pepper's for years by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      So I got that goin' for me. Which is nice.

      That won't help. You need Red Hot Chili Peppers.

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  7. Remember "Sleeper"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Woody Allen character in the distant future, noticing many people smoking, is told "we discovered that tobacco is good for you".

    1. Re:Remember "Sleeper"? by Agent0013 · · Score: 2

      When you actually look into this you will find that saturated fat is good for you. The vegetable oils and other substitutes are the real killers.

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  8. Tobacco...right by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Anecdotal, but the only relative I have that smokes...is the only one that got Parkinson's.

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    1. Re:Tobacco...right by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe his predisposition to get Parkinson's caused the desire to smoke..

      Nicotine ameliorates some of the symptoms of schizophrenia, and nearly everyone with schizophrenia smokes. So it is possible that a similar phenomenon may occur with parkinson's

    2. Re:Tobacco...right by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually AFAIK it's not the nicotine in the cigarettes which kills you. It's all of the burning byproducts. Nicotine is responsible for making you addict, though.

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    3. Re:Tobacco...right by Agent0013 · · Score: 2

      It's pretty funny how many uninformed people like to spout off on this site. I see several people telling me how my source is wrong. I thought that perhaps it is and did a quick Google check. According to Wikipedia, you get 1mg of absorbed nicotine from smoking a cigarette. Well, we aren't talking about smoking them, so you are wrong on that fact. This site talks about extracting the nicotine for use in e-cigarettes. Starting with 4g of tobacco they get 15ml of liquid at a concentration of 2.5mg/ml. That is 37.5mg of nicotine. This site has a couple of guys that used 40g of tobacco to roll 51 cigarettes. So that's 0.79g/cig. Ten cigarettes would be 7.9g of tobacco which would yield almost 75mg of nicotine. That is at the high end of the range for toxic levels of nicotine for mammals on the Wikipedia link above (30-60mg).

      Thanks for getting me inspired to do a little research on these numbers, it was a good exercise. And all you dumb asses that think you know better -- Suck It!!!

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    4. Re:Tobacco...right by bitt3n · · Score: 2

      Maybe his predisposition to get Parkinson's caused the desire to smoke..

      Nicotine ameliorates some of the symptoms of schizophrenia, and nearly everyone with schizophrenia smokes. So it is possible that a similar phenomenon may occur with parkinson's

      I have schizophrenia, and I don't smoke.

    5. Re:Tobacco...right by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Funny

      yes I do!

  9. Summary is misleading by sessamoid · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article does not "confirm that the key ingredient is nicotine, which is present in some vegetables like peppers."

    From TFA

    "Our study is the first to investigate dietary nicotine and risk of developing Parkinson's disease," said Dr. Searles Nielsen. "Similar to the many studies that indicate tobacco use might reduce risk of Parkinson's, our findings also suggest a protective effect from nicotine, or perhaps a similar but less toxic chemical in peppers and tobacco."

    Tobacco and solanaceae plants have in common a lot of chemicals, including multiple alkaloids like atropine. Potato plants fall into the same family, as do all chili pepper plants. While this is an interesting study, it does NOT confirm that nicotine is the chemical in solanaceae that is protective against Parkinson's disease, even before you take into account that this was only a retrospective study.

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  10. Spicy food and cigars :-) by Murdoch5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like eating spicy food and smoking cigars is good for you, thanks science :-)

  11. Aha! by JimtownKelly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This article solves a mystery that has puzzled my family for years. My dad suffered Parkinsonism for many years, and most of his life favored bland food. In the last couple years of his life, when the disease was at its peak, he had an intense craving for peppers that we all thought were signs of dementia. He would not only eat peppers but sometimes eat salsa and drink hot sauce directly from jars in the fridge. So perhaps his body was craving the nicotine in the peppers, who knows. RIP.

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  12. Re:Fresh vegetables and fruits by chromas · · Score: 2

    Make salsa. Stuff it in your eggs; use it as pizza sauce; put it in your sandwiches and salads; shove it up your wraps; derive chili and other stews/soups from it.

  13. Re:Fresh vegetables and fruits by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make salsa. Stuff it in your eggs ... shove it up your wraps

    That reminds me of some experiments to halt urinary incontinence by squirting chilli oil into people's bladders, on the assumption that by deadening some nerves their bladders would release urine less easily. The test subjects apparently insisted that it worked perfectly the first time and there was no need to do it again.

  14. nicotine is also present in by nimbius · · Score: 2

    eggplants, in much higher quantities.

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