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Injured Man Is First Person Saved By a Police Drone In Canada

AchilleTalon writes "As the US continues to grapple with the idea of letting drones fly through the country's airspace, our neighbors to the north have reported a new milestone for unmanned aerial technology: the first life saved using a drone. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the province of Saskatchewan announced yesterday that they successfully used the small Draganflyer X4-ES helicopter drone to locate and treat an injured man whose car had flipped over in a remote, wooded area in near-freezing temperatures. Zenon Dragan, president and founder of the Draganfly company that makes the drone, said in a statement: 'to our knowledge, this is the first time that a life may have been saved with the use of a sUAS (small Unmanned Aerial System) helicopter.'"

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  1. Drones by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are a powerful technology, for good, or evil.

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    1. Re:Drones by cyberchondriac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much true of any and all technology (maybe with a few exceedingly rare exceptions and even that's debatable); it's the intent behind the use of a tool or technology that is good or evil.

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    2. Re:Drones by ttucker · · Score: 2

      There really is a lot of public good that can arise from public safety organizations having access to a flying vehicle with FLIR capabilities that costs less than $5000/hr to operate....

  2. Thats great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When they are used for search and rescue. The problem is that our police force has been lobbying to get them for law enforcement, to be used to further spy on and exert control over the populace. If law enforcement wants to have drones for the sole and limited purpose of search and rescue thats fine by me. Id prefer if I didnt need to worry about some agency watching my every physical move.

    1. Re:Thats great.. by Seumas · · Score: 2

      No, don't you see -- this justifies everything. Commence media saturation of the population to welcome the use of drones in all aspects of society, because if they one time saved a guy in a place in this one context, then it's worth any sacrifice or inconvenience or violation, don't you see?!

    2. Re:Thats great.. by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      When they are used for search and rescue. The problem is that our police force has been lobbying to get them for law enforcement, to be used to further spy on and exert control over the populace. If law enforcement wants to have drones for the sole and limited purpose of search and rescue thats fine by me. Id prefer if I didnt need to worry about some agency watching my every physical move.

      When you research this device on the manufacturer's website they are very very careful to NEVER specify the RANGE.
      It can go 30mph (allegedly), and climb to 8000 feet but no range or duration is given, and it does this on a 5400mAh battery.
      (My android tablet has a bigger battery).

      I'd be very surprised if this thing could get out of sight of its operator.

      Which means they could have just look for the car and followed his tracks or sent a dog. But instead this will be used as an excuse to equip every police force with one of these things, and they won't be restricted to search and rescue.

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    3. Re:Thats great.. by tibit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everything depends on the voltage :) If their battery is, say, 48V, you'd need a good armful of android tablets to beat that.

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    4. Re:Thats great.. by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hate to break it to you, but we have so much wilderness here in Canada that once you get a dozen two miles outside of a main highway, or out past any major city especially outside of southern BC or the Windsor to Southern Quebec corridor, you can go for days without seeing anyone, or even a sign of civilization. Realistically, we have enough problems even here in Southern Ontario, you know part of the most densely packed part of the country finding people when we get smacked with a blizzard and have to go out an rescue them. Usually on snow mobiles, with volunteers. It's even worse in the rest of the country, where poor roads with very poor driving conditions lead people to get stranded.

      This is a very good use of technology, especially here in Canada. Where helicopters are cost prohibitive and the nearest airport can be 600-800km away from the search area.

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    5. Re:Thats great.. by mirix · · Score: 2

      So that would be 80Wh, or more properly 288kJ. So it could run a 60W bulb for a little more than an hour... (well, discharge rate affects the actual capacity - higher rates of discharge will reduce the total output to less than that).
      So this thing is more inline with a laptop battery for capacity.

      288kJ happens to be roughly equal to about 8ml of diesel, just for fun... So even with the poor efficiency of combustion engines, there's just no comparison.

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  3. Figures. by SpeZek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course we Canadians would use drones for polite and considerate tasks. We have a reputation to keep up!

  4. Re:This reminds me that even Hitler did some good. by Servaas · · Score: 2, Funny

    You forgot getting rid of the jews! (I joke I joke, he didn't get rid of the jews)

  5. Re:But the honor of the first life TAKEN by a dron by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting point, but I have to disagree. The V1 was a missile, not a drone. The V1 itself constituted the attacking weapon. I think the distinction with a drone attack would be that the drone itself isn't the attacking weapon, but rather it carries weapons to attack. Example: The Predator drone which carries Hellfire missiles.

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  6. Heard this story by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

    As with most government tools we will only hear about the good things until after they become common place. When tazers were originally deployed they were a "replacement only for lethal force", now they are used at the drop of the hat against loudmouthed teens, nonviolent protestors, and pregnant women with little to no repercussions. Right now it is all about saving people lost in the woods and catching murders, but 5 years after they are more ubiquitous you can be guaranteed that the stories will begin to flow of women catching one hovering outside their bathroom window, protestors finding unflattering images of themselves on police forums & former boyfriends/girlfriends of officers being stalked by drones (much like the cases of police misusing official databases to track/harass).

    1. Re:Heard this story by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      All Slashdotters live in basements with the shutters closed, no dangers of having unflattering images of themselves on police forums.

      As for the "former boyfriends/girlfriends" part, that's also applicable. You can't date JPEGs.

  7. Correction by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The man's life was saved by a policeman using an infrared camera which happened to be mounted on a drone.

    It's important to get the gist of the story right here, because the decision to use drones domestically is a matter of trade offs. So it makes a difference whether you draw the spurious lesson "drones save lives", or the correct lesson, "infrared cameras save lives, drones save money in deploying such cameras in comparison to conventional helicopters or fixed-wing aircraft." One might reasonably choose to risk civil liberties because of certain life-or-death situation, but not choose to do so if its a matter of another ten or twenty bucks a year on your state or provincial taxes.

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  8. Re:This reminds me that even Hitler did some good. by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 4, Funny

    He is, after all, the guy who killed Hitler...

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  9. Re:But the honor of the first life TAKEN by a dron by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The V1 had a rudimentary guidance system consisting of an anemometer in the nose that track distance and tipped the missile into a dive at the proper range.

    So yes it was the first guided drone.

  10. Re:Huh. by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    If you're mixing them, I prefer my metaphors shaken, not stirred.

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  11. Crack Pipes Save Lives Too by guttentag · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you throw a crack pipe at the head of a bank robber and distract the robber long enough to subdue the robber, you could say that a crack pipe saved the life of the bank manager.

    The effect of a tool depends on how it is used.

    Then again, a person carrying a crack pipe at a bank would probably have used the tool for its usual purpose, and would be unable to successfully aim the pipe at the robber's head, so the odds of a crack pipe routinely saving lives are about as slim as the odds of a drone routinely saving lives.

  12. Re:We could save more people with 24/7 surveillanc by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are commercial satellites with the resolution to read your license plate

    Satellites are not comparable to drones. To achieve good resolution, satellites need to be in near earth orbit, which means they are moving overhead at thousands of km/hr. They can take a snapshot, but they cannot loiter and observe continuously, and they cannot zoom in real time. They are an expensive and limited asset, which means they are not available to the local cop who has a grudge against you because you are dating his ex-girlfriend.

  13. Re:But the honor of the first life TAKEN by a dron by DogDude · · Score: 2

    By that logic, the "drone" in the article wasn't even a "drone", since it doesn't do any of it's own onboard guidance. It's really just a fancy RC helicopter.

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  14. Re:We could save more people with 24/7 surveillanc by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

    I'd say it's worse, yes. I doubt satellites would be very useful for spying purposes.

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  15. Re:weight of the word by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but when the police department does it, it's evil?

    The government has the power to ruin people's lives, so the implications are far different. Furthermore, the information would be available to the entire government, not just a single person.

    And unmanned drones are different from helicopters (and I don't think helicopters should be spying on anyone, either) in that they can be used en masse far more easily.

    but realistically you're not that important or interesting to begin with.

    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. As long as the government doesn't abuse me, all is well!

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  16. Re:We could save more people with 24/7 surveillanc by r2kordmaa · · Score: 2

    Read a licence plate, if so then barely and only because there are only so many alphanumeric characters and you know how each one fogs out. That besides the point, sattelite imaging is often overestimated, the fact that you can take a look at any place in the world does not mean you can see the whole world with one look. Think of it like that, make a pinhole in a piece of paper and put the paper over a map, now try to read "dragons be here" through the pinhole. Same problem with finding interesting things with satellites, if you dont know where to point the sattelite in the first place you cant find anything.

  17. Re:We could save more people with 24/7 surveillanc by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    There are commercial satellites with the resolution to read your license plate

    High school physics FAIL!

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  18. Re:weight of the word by jythie · · Score: 2

    I think the issue many people have, besides the imagery, is drones drastically lower the barrier to abuse by police departments. Putting a fixed wing plan or a helicopter in the air is a fairly big deal, there is paperwork and people involved, there will be fuel and maintenance to deal with, and generally only large departments actually have easy access to them.

    Drones on the other hand are much much cheaper to acquire and operate, and will probably be done with much less oversight. And unfortunately the police have a reputation for abusing powers when they are easy to access.

    So I think people feel that the main reason current aircraft have not been heavily abused is their relative inaccessibility, and that the problem with drones is not that they add fundamentally new capabilities, but because they make those capabilities cheap and accessible.

  19. Re:But the honor of the first life TAKEN by a dron by Ian+A.+Shill · · Score: 2

    Perhaps another distinguishing characteristic of a drone (vs a V1) might be that a drone returns to a "base" and lands (or is otherwise recovered) to complete its mission.

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  20. A search & rescue member's perspective by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I happen to be a search & rescue volunteer here in the southwestern US. (As a matter of interest, we are all 100% volunteers. We don't get paid for anything except fuel when we're on a search. We buy all of our own equipment and devote a lot of our own time to train regularly.) Recently, we were approached by some university students who built an inexpensive UAV ($3000) specifically for SAR uses. I personally though their platform had a lot of merit. It's a low-cost foam airplane that uses a customized version of Ardupilot to take photos regularly while flying a pattern over a designated region. They can photograph a square mile in about 30 minutes. You then have a couple of people do a photo analysis of the results. The photos are all geotagged so you can pull a coordinate off the photo for some object of interest. Sadly, the political climate is such that the tin-foil hat types have scared the county board of supervisors and the local Sheriff's office away from even trying the platform out on some training exercises. What's worse is that even though our SAR organization is an independent 501(c)3 and not part of any law-enforcement agency, the managers still won't try out the concept. I wonder how people would feel if some child died of exposure because we didn't have this tool in the toolbox.

    This platform is also an order of magnitude cheaper than a DraganFlyer and can cover a hell of a lot more ground without changing out the battery. 15 minutes of air time isn't nearly enough.

  21. Re:We could save more people with 24/7 surveillanc by citizenr · · Score: 2
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